Topic: Running up the post count- 2 Best (current ) Fed pilots?

[FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC]

I want my... I want my... I want my DBCP for nothin' and my gatlings for free....

[Hexx]

I want my... I want my... I want my DBCP for nothin' and my gatlings for free....

Agreed
DBCP as the starting Lyran ship across all eras would redress some of the currently seen balance issues.

[FPF-DieHard]

MAYBE the powerpacks in 2270 are too early, definately 2277 is too late IMHO.

Server admins can tweak this for whatever server they decide to use, it isn't that hard to do. 

[Laflin]

I want my... I want my... I want my DBCP for nothin' and my gatlings for free....

Agreed
DBCP as the starting Lyran ship across all eras would redress some of the currently seen balance issues.

Pshaw - you'll start out and remain in a L-CL and like it...perhaps you'll even learn something new

[Hexx]

<looks at stats for Lyran CL>
<checks Grades in such things As "Running Away" "Getting Killed"

Sorry Laflin.. nothing those ships can teach me..

And when are you coming back to show us how to kill a DNH using nothing but an FF
and a plastic fork?

(no seriously, returning anytime soon?)

[FPF-DieHard]

Actually before you get the torches and pitchforks, what Ships exactly will be affected by this?

[FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC]

Actually before you get the torches and pitchforks, what Ships exactly will be affected by this?

Everything with a 'P' on the end of it... eg. DBCP

[FPF-Paladin]

Hmm.  Seems to me ~all~ races get hit by the SFC drone speed?  All of ADBs oh so carefully balanced SFB shiplists were based on those speeds, not just a Lyran power pack.

[FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC]

Hmm.  Seems to me ~all~ races get hit by the SFC drone speed?  All of ADBs oh so carefully balanced SFB shiplists were based on those speeds, not just a Lyran power pack.

What is being referred to here, is that hexagonal tracking and linear tracking are different, and that the seeking weapons in SFC have to travel further, hence they were given a speed increase in SFC compared with their SFB counterparts. The Lyrans are traditional enemies with the Kzinti, and do not use drones or fighters themselves, so they gain nothing from this. The Lyrans have been viewed as unpopular in the past, so it is being argued here that to make them even more unpopular (even if it is for the right reasons) is not a good thing.

[Dizzy]

What tracey said.

[FPF-DieHard]

The Lyrans have been viewed as unpopular in the past, so it is being argued here that to make them even more unpopular (even if it is for the right reasons) is not a good thing.

This whole argument is bullsh*t.  Look at the Lyran shiplist, they still have plenty of good ships availble between 2270 and 2277.

Lyran have been un-popular because you can't run 1:30 hex munching misisons in their ships, never for theit lack of PvP ability.

[FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC]

The Lyrans have been viewed as unpopular in the past, so it is being argued here that to make them even more unpopular (even if it is for the right reasons) is not a good thing.

This whole argument is bullsh*t.  Look at the Lyrna shiplist, they still have plenty of good ships availble between 2270 and 2277.

That doesn't actually refute the argument.

[FPF-DieHard]

The Lyrans have been viewed as unpopular in the past, so it is being argued here that to make them even more unpopular (even if it is for the right reasons) is not a good thing.

This whole argument is bullsh*t.  Look at the Lyrna shiplist, they still have plenty of good ships availble between 2270 and 2277.

That doesn't actually refute the argument.

Yes it does.   Your argument is that the Lyrans become a chump race with the Powerpack refits set back to the SFB dates.  I'm saying this is BS because they still have plent of good ships during this time period.

The L-CF, L-CC+, L-CCH, L-JGP, and a bunch of other good ships are not affedted by this change.

[FireSoul]

Actually before you get the torches and pitchforks, what Ships exactly will be affected by this?

Everything with a 'P' on the end of it... eg. DBCP

Don't forget that phaser refits are also a 'P' refit.

[likkerpig]

Yes it does.   Your argument is that the Lyrans become a chump race with the Powerpack refits set back to the SFB dates.  I'm saying this is BS because they still have plent of good ships during this time period.

The L-CF, L-CC+, L-CCH, L-JGP, and a bunch of other good ships are not affedted by this change.

Heh, not to nitpick... ok to nitpick... the jgp doesn't belong on that list. One hit wonder, lord help you if you try saberdancing with it. CC class are ok, cf is great.
Quit derailing the thread! Leave the Lyrans alone and get back to bashing Hexx!

[FPF-DieHard]

Actually before you get the torches and pitchforks, what Ships exactly will be affected by this?

Everything with a 'P' on the end of it... eg. DBCP

Don't forget that phaser refits are also a 'P' refit.

Are the Phaser refits and the Powerpacks seperate refits?

[FPF-DieHard]

Quit derailing the thread! Leave the Lyrans alone and get back to bashing Hexx!

Isn't this great? this ALMOST turned into a "Bash DH, that cheesy DN-flying bastard!!" yet like water flowing downhill, it all comes back to Hexx 

[FPF-Paladin]

I guess I shouldn't have said anything... sorry about that.   

I understand why SFC is as is (I learned a lot about SFC from a beta tester who was very helpful in answering a lot of tactical questions I had way back then about SFB - SFC) and I don't have any issue with the hard fact that most of the time, during whatever stardate, someone is at a disadvantage.  Balance?  I'm not sure it's possible as things stand.  I try to just take the game for what it is now.  I also try to ignore the adjustments made to ships that are popular with the PvP crowd, while the ships that are really obviously broken because no one will fly them generally are passed over.

I wrote what I did (a little bitterness maybe in there too..) because I'm used to flying ships that won't fight at 31 well, or do 1:30 hex munchers...  about 99.99% of my entire D2 experience, so I don't really have too much sympathy about the extra power.  It wasn't really anything personal... I usually keep my balancing thoughts to myself.  I will say this though:  there are entire other races and ships in much worse trouble than a P refit being adjusted.

[likkerpig]

I guess I shouldn't have said anything... sorry about that.   

I understand why SFC is as is (I learned a lot about SFC from a beta tester who was very helpful in answering a lot of tactical questions I had way back then about SFB - SFC) and I don't have any issue with the hard fact that most of the time, during whatever stardate, someone is at a disadvantage.  Balance?  I'm not sure it's possible as things stand.  I try to just take the game for what it is now.  I also try to ignore the adjustments made to ships that are popular with the PvP crowd, while the ships that are really obviously broken because no one will fly them generally are passed over.

I wrote what I did (a little bitterness maybe in there too..) because I'm used to flying ships that won't fight at 31 well, or do 1:30 hex munchers...  about 99.99% of my entire D2 experience, so I don't really have too much sympathy about the extra power.  It wasn't really anything personal... I usually keep my balancing thoughts to myself.  I will say this though:  there are entire other races and ships in much worse trouble than a P refit being adjusted.

Bah! Pure Fed hyperbole! Nobody listen to him! Lyrans are underdogs and everyone else is uber, that's all you need to know!
Get back to bashing Hexx!

[Hexx]

DH you seriously must be on some really whacky meds.
Coming from a guy who's standard ship is a DNH..
Why don't you go back to the SPCA, see if you can find a date for the
evening to distract you, cause obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.

Do you really think if the Lyran ships are that great we would be forced to use
pilots like 'Pig?

Anything without a "P" on the end suxxors bigtime.
Unless it has a "T" on the end, in which case it's almost up to standard levels.