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[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Hell, the X ships are gonna be bearable.

This coming from someone who has always slipped of the server when the X ships showed up.

Ask Dizzy for details.

[Brezgonne]

The last time I argued about the Kzinti at all had to be a couple YEARS ago Dizzy. And I can't remember arguing for the MDC. It sorta sucks.

Why do I need to withhold judgement when I've been told some of the things changed?

Like the C8V (and apparently others) changing two dizzys for 2 B-racks. Gee. And the reason given is "because fighters don't work how they do in SFB". Which is BS. They work as well as they work for any other race. Dig deeper and it's "Well the Kzinti CVA has 6 drone racks and 4 dizzys....". So what? If you like the Kzinti so much better than the Klingon, GO PLAY THE KZINTI.

Or the C10K with an extra ADD12 rack that was added "Well the fed and Kzinti have 3 of them.....". Nice. More BS reasons. And lets not forget the expanded phaser arcs to 'make it more klingon' despite the fact that the C8/C9/C10 series have a specific mention about how they don't fire across decks as well as the smaller ships.

I'm sure there are probably others but given the examples, I'm not likely to be to fond of them either.

If your going to try and take swings at me Dizzy, at least use something recent

I don't like people changing ships for no reason or for stupid reasons. It's as simple as that.

[FPF-DieHard]

I don't like people changing ships for no reason or for stupid reasons. It's as simple as that.

I don't believe makling minor changes so a ships is more balanced against it's peers is a stupud reason.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Like the C8V (and apparently others) changing two dizzys for 2 B-racks. Gee. And the reason given is "because fighters don't work how they do in SFB". Which is BS. They work as well as they work for any other race. Dig deeper and it's "Well the Kzinti CVA has 6 drone racks and 4 dizzys....". So what? If you like the Kzinti so much better than the Klingon, GO PLAY THE KZINTI.

Or the C10K with an extra ADD12 rack that was added "Well the fed and Kzinti have 3 of them.....". Nice. More BS reasons. And lets not forget the expanded phaser arcs to 'make it more klingon' despite the fact that the C8/C9/C10 series have a specific mention about how they don't fire across decks as well as the smaller ships.

This reminds me... I am still waiting on my extra PhG's for the Hydran to counter the extra drones the Klinks can toss out now.

IE I disagreed with those changes to the klink ships b/c while they did help them against the Kzinti & Feds, but it screwed us poor Hydrans.

[Farfarer]

Keep the Klingon ships crappier, cheaper and unrestricted - then all will be well - and reflect the "quantity and austerity" theme of Klingon shipbuilding. 

If I can keep going back and grabbing another stock C8 I don't care if I lose ten in a row trying to defeat a restricted ( or very, very expensive Fed/Kzin/Hydran) CVA+.,,and all those DN kill sigs will look so nice.

Alternatively, I'll fly 2 or 3 stock D6 and get them blown up - but it would be fun a 'realistic' in the F+E sense.

[Brezgonne]

Quote from: Brezgonne on Today at 01:22:37pm

I don't like people changing ships for no reason or for stupid reasons. It's as simple as that.


I don't believe makling minor changes so a ships is more balanced against it's peers is a stupud reason.

you mean aside from the fact that it's not supposed to be like that or if you do that you just may as well give everyone identical ships or how about the little part about when you pick a race you have to accept it's weaknesses as well as it's strenghts.

all you seem to be doing is making a bunch of cookie cutterish ships and deleting any weaknesses you find or deem to be weaknesses. The ships are setup a certain way on purpose. Tinkering with them to make them look like the other races ships while ignoring the design conventions for the race is unwise.

I mean if your going to remove most or all of the weaknesses from one ship or race, why stop there? Why not just get rid of all the weaknesses, give everyone 360 weapons and let them ignore any sort of tactics.

[Age]

   OK ,What shiplist is SG4 going to use now that OP+4.0 is out a big surprise on my part but FireSouls is full of surprises?What is SG4 going to use OP+3.4 or OP+4.0 ?

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Quote from: Brezgonne on Today at 01:22:37pm

I don't like people changing ships for no reason or for stupid reasons. It's as simple as that.


I don't believe makling minor changes so a ships is more balanced against it's peers is a stupud reason.

you mean aside from the fact that it's not supposed to be like that or if you do that you just may as well give everyone identical ships or how about the little part about when you pick a race you have to accept it's weaknesses as well as it's strenghts.

all you seem to be doing is making a bunch of cookie cutterish ships and deleting any weaknesses you find or deem to be weaknesses. The ships are setup a certain way on purpose. Tinkering with them to make them look like the other races ships while ignoring the design conventions for the race is unwise.

I mean if your going to remove most or all of the weaknesses from one ship or race, why stop there? Why not just get rid of all the weaknesses, give everyone 360 weapons and let them ignore any sort of tactics.

I believe they called it sfc3 

[Hexx]

Like the C8V (and apparently others) changing two dizzys for 2 B-racks. Gee. And the reason given is "because fighters don't work how they do in SFB". Which is BS. They work as well as they work for any other race. Dig deeper and it's "Well the Kzinti CVA has 6 drone racks and 4 dizzys....". So what? If you like the Kzinti so much better than the Klingon, GO PLAY THE KZINTI.

Or the C10K with an extra ADD12 rack that was added "Well the fed and Kzinti have 3 of them.....". Nice. More BS reasons. And lets not forget the expanded phaser arcs to 'make it more klingon' despite the fact that the C8/C9/C10 series have a specific mention about how they don't fire across decks as well as the smaller ships.

This reminds me... I am still waiting on my extra PhG's for the Hydran to counter the extra drones the Klinks can toss out now.

IE I disagreed with those changes to the klink ships b/c while they did help them against the Kzinti & Feds, but it screwed us poor Hydrans.

Please.
You just want the extra PhG's so you might stand a chance against me close in.

The problem (as I see it) was that SFB ships were (largely) designed to fight fleet battles.
SFC is (largely) designed to fight duels.

[FPF-DieHard]

   OK ,What shiplist is SG4 going to use now that OP+4.0 is out a big surprise on my part but FireSouls is full of surprises?What is SG4 going to use OP+3.4 or OP+4.0 ?

Yes, SGO will be based on OP+ 4

[FPF-DieHard]

The problem (as I see it) was that SFB ships were (largely) designed to fight fleet battles.
SFC is (largely) designed to fight duels.

Ahh!  So we should allow fleets again!   

[Hexx]

The problem (as I see it) was that SFB ships were (largely) designed to fight fleet battles.
SFC is (largely) designed to fight duels.

Ahh!  So we should allow fleets again!   

I fail to see how that would benefit the Lyran Empire (such as it is) and therefore should not
even be considered.

Ever.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

4.0 with models link not working, the other 2 are.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

...says application not found.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Are you using bit torrent?

[Dizzy]

Old news new thread.

This is more of a take it or leave it thing. Just like FS's new shiplist where the drone control of the C10K was reduced from 12 to 6. Like that will ever get flown.  

This server will hopefully be remembered for it's playability, balance, and overall fun, not to it's strict adherence to SFB. I recognize around half the playerbase is rooted in SFC, the other half SFB. You all will never agree. I would appreciate it greatly if you would not put me in the middle of this feud as I have a server to put up and in the interests of it pleasing you as much as possible, I am wasting time talking about things that will never be fully solved or agreed upon. I respect each and everyone of your thoughts and input, and it is just this that has gotten us to this point. This server has been 4 years in the making and you have yourselves to thank for it. After it's over, you are free to evaluate what direction servers have gone, where this community will go from here and such, but now is not the time because this server isnt waiting any longer for these issues to be rehashed entirely. I hope this server pleases you as much as I think it will.

So please, refrain from bitching about ship changes till the server is over. Thanks in advance.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Are you using bit torrent?

didn't try the bit torrent one...what does it really do in/to your computer?

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Increases downloading spd.

I tried both.  Bit torrent saved about 4 minutes on the DL.  (12 vs 16 minutes for 76MB)

[Green]

Are you using bit torrent?

didn't try the bit torrent one...what does it really do in/to your computer?

Found it didn't do anything negative and will politely uninstall if you ask it to after it is done.

[Braxton_RIP]

Can I still request to be an ISC, or is it too late?