Topic: "Hypothetical" D2 Server CnC poll

[FPF-DieHard]

Hull Size:

For the purpose of CnC/OOB classification, below are ship size classes:

BB (2 Move Cost)
DN/CVA (1.5 Move Cost)
BCH/CA/NCA (1 Move Cost)
CL, HDW (K-D6 variants)
DD/DW
FF


CnC Rules:
All Bombardment Ships, Fast Cruisers, and HDWs must be flown solo.

Command Cruisers:

Pilots may fly 2 ships. The first ships must be a command cruiser and the second ship is a vanilla-line ship of the same Hull Class or smaller.
EXAMPLE: K-C7, K-D5W and F-CLC, F-NCL+ are legal combos.

True Carriers and Tenders:

Pilots may fly one ESCORT ship with the carrier/tender provided it is 2 Hull Class sizes smaller than the Carrier.
EXAMPLE: F-NCV, F-DWA, and K-C7V, K-FWE are legal combinations.

Only ESCORTS may escort a carrier/tender

[762_XC]

Some races really get screwed by 2 ships. 1 per pilot is always better IMHO.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

I think it depends on the server there is room for both as well as other options.  The whole package must be taken into consideration before a blanket statement of one way being better is made.

[Lepton]

Seems like an OK system, but how it is different or better than any other system is up for debate.  It seems simplicity is the watchword here, but is that a good thing?  Isn't there some overly complicated SFB-like system that could be imposed that would be more "realistic"?  I personally would like to see a system that allowed for 3 ship fleets but wherein each ship is flown by a single player such that a CnC/OoB becomes the basis for player cooperation and role-playing elements, rather than more ships for one person to smash into another person like a Matchbox car crash.

[KBF-Soth]

I agree with Lepton's system oevr the first 1

[FPF-DieHard]

I personally would like to see a system that allowed for 3 ship fleets but wherein each ship is flown by a single player such that a CnC/OoB becomes the basis for player cooperation and role-playing elements, rather than more ships for one person to smash into another person like a Matchbox car crash.

I would prefer this myself, all of the Cheesy combos you see in 2v2 and 3v3 on Dyna are SFB illegal.  This unfortunately is not technically possible in the D2 system.  Drafting is too random, if we were in some way able to add the Fleeting of D3 then this would be really cool.

We have to deal with realistic options, and Lepton's unfortunately is not one of them.

[WarSears]

Some races really get screwed by 2 ships. 1 per pilot is always better IMHO.

I cant believe this but I agree with 762 one ship pre pilot is best.

[GDA-S'Cipio]

I'm of two minds here.

On the one mind, multiple ships simply work lightyears better for some races than they do for others.  And I know that my race is on the short end of that stick.

On the other mind  (the lazy lizard mind, which refuses to think ahead about consequences) it's been a long time since we had a server that let you fly more than one ship that wasn't a PF squadron.  And this system of CnC is better than most, especially with your list of ships that must be flown solo.

Why not give it a shot and see what happens?  (Though I think you need to stick in a fighter and PF CnC as well.)

-S'Cipio

[Dizzy]

I'd change that around a tad. I think you have too much iron for one Captain the way it is now. I'd add BC's in with ships that have to be flown solo. I'd further stipulate that you have to have a CA/NCA command ship and the largest size second ship would be a DD or DW or smaller. That would tone down the uber factor. Same with full carriers or tenders. A DD or DW or smaller 2nd ship.

The idea is to give line cruisers the ability to compete with the big boys... If we even have to go so far as to appoint FM's for multiship fleets, then so be it, as I can imagine very few would opt to fly such a configuration. But it would make things interesting... Very interesting...

[Kroma BaSyl]

Pilots may fly one ESCORT ship with the carrier/tender provided it is 2 Hull Class sizes smaller than the Carrier.
EXAMPLE: F-NCV, F-DWA, and K-C7V, K-FWE are legal combinations.

Only ESCORTS may escort a carrier/tender

Only 1 hull size smaller, otherwise to restrictive for some races. I would also allow escorts or vannilla for carriers/tenders, as sme races escorts are next to worthless.

[FPF-DieHard]

Why not give it a shot and see what happens?  (Though I think you need to stick in a fighter and PF CnC as well.)

-S'Cipio

You are right, I will give this or something similar a shot on a small fun server, not a major campaign. 

[FPF-DieHard]

I'd add BC's in with ships that have to be flown solo.

I don't see the logic of ships with a 10 command rating being forced to fly solo. 

The idea is to give line cruisers the ability to compete with the big boys... If we even have to go so far as to appoint FM's for multiship fleets, then so be it, as I can imagine very few would opt to fly such a configuration. But it would make things interesting... Very interesting...

Maybe dropping the "second" ship to a hull class lower would work better.   Either way, I fairly certain this should not be "tested" on a major campaign a such ideas in the past were bad ideas.

How about a fun server where you MUST fly 2 ships?   

[KBF-Nail]

How about a server with nothing but Frigs. WOuld be fun hehe. Dont mind me IM just rambling

[FPF-Wanderer]

How about a server with nothing but Frigs. WOuld be fun hehe. Dont mind me IM just rambling

AHHHHHHH!!!! Frigate Hell II! <runs away>...

[GDA-S'Cipio]

How about a server with nothing but Frigs.

Only a bastard would suggest a server with nothing but frigs.

<Notices this is Nail.>

Oh, right.  Nevermind.

-S'Cipio