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GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« on: November 23, 2004, 07:26:03 am »
Due the numerous glitches/crashes/burps  It would be nice if several days were added to the Run of the Server in Compensation.

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2004, 08:39:41 am »
agreed.  It is most frustrating when 9 out of 10 missions end with a lost connection error.
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2004, 08:47:52 am »
I believe only a couple of hours in downtime has occurred so far.

I have been on a lot, at all times, and 9 out of 10 is a bit of an exageration.
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2004, 09:07:44 am »
I believe only a couple of hours in downtime has occurred so far.

I have been on a lot, at all times, and 9 out of 10 is a bit of an exageration.

Depends on your luck, mission times, etc.
With my mauler's penchant for 5-7 minute missions, I've had cases where I'd have the server crash out every time I got out of a mission, and after 2-3 of them in a row, I tend to give up.  My play time is around 9-10 PM EST, and this has happened like 3 different nights now.

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2004, 09:21:08 am »

With my mauler's penchant for 5-7 minute missions,

You are doing something wrong if It's taking you 7 minutes to run missions in a Mauler :)
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2004, 09:40:43 am »
It's called dodging the PFs that are everywhere now... :(

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2004, 09:44:32 am »
that's not the point, since the one 2-minute mission I had was when I alphaed a Fed FFB with an SPL and laid an NSM on it as I overran it and it popped when the NSM went off.

Most of my missions are 6-10 minutes, less if I have enough transporters to capture quickly, but as with Julin, I give up after it happens twice in a row.
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2004, 09:53:12 am »
To make things go smoother, "prime" time operations will be moved to my server which seems to operate more stably under load.   I also will clean the DB more frequently.

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2004, 10:08:58 am »
Pssst.

So you guys like yer GW4?   Ya want a little extra taste of it eh?

Well Ol' J'inn can't afford to keep giving away all of this goodness.  Oh no no no.  It's un-American.  <pulls out American flag and starts waiving it>   And we all know how patriotic I am.

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2004, 10:21:53 am »
Sigh....

Well J'inn there is something else that is an old American tradition.  It is called extortion... or as you call it 'billing hours".  Please don't make us compose a nice letter to Shopasaurus detailing the deals that can be found in every store in the D.C. Area.  I hate to see a man killed in such a fashion... but when you try and cut off a junkie... well they can't always be held accountable for their actions.

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2004, 11:24:15 am »
I believe only a couple of hours in downtime has occurred so far.

I have been on a lot, at all times, and 9 out of 10 is a bit of an exageration.

Depends on your luck, mission times, etc.
With my mauler's penchant for 5-7 minute missions, I've had cases where I'd have the server crash out every time I got out of a mission, and after 2-3 of them in a row, I tend to give up.  My play time is around 9-10 PM EST, and this has happened like 3 different nights now.

Yeah 9-10PM EST is the worst as the server is most loaded then, but as DH mentioned he is mitigating this by moving it to his server during heavy load times. As for the outages, they have only amounted to a few hours downtime and the server schedule already has that built into it, since it was a 2 week server that started on a Sat at noon and ends on a Sat at midnight.

Not sure if we ever got a definitive answer on a Thanksgiving day shutdown which would have extended the server until Sunday at midnight, though.
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2004, 11:32:58 am »

Not sure if we ever got a definitive answer on a Thanksgiving day shutdown which would have extended the server until Sunday at midnight, though.

Um, J'inn, are we staying up for Thanksgiving?   Do you also realize that the FINAL build Cycle is on Thanksgiving?

For the record if it is up, crashes, and there is no admin available to restart it, them's the breaks.
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2004, 06:43:07 pm »
I am pleased that I am not alone in the sentiment expressed here.  More time would be nice, due to the lost time for outages on a 1 for 1 bases.  I know last week..In a space of 40 minutes every single mission ended with server disconnect and I was inconvienced by the loss of that "pre-allocated" investment of time.  This leads to frustration and disatifaction in general.  When the server kit is "Grok'd" this problem may be something we can tell our grandkids about.

"Yes, I know the server kit crashes.  No software is perfect grandson.  But in my day, we would have 5 crashes in 40 minutes.  I once defeated 2 Live Federation Players in my War Cruiser and did not get the credit because the server died.  Your generation has it easy, a crash what, every 4 months."

"But grandpa, I had just took out an Andromedan Dominator that was raiding."

"Well, when I was your age, we didnt have real Dominators to challange our skills on, and even non stock tholians, without web.  It was horrible grandson, your generation has it so good."

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2004, 06:59:14 pm »
I'm not sure how one can complain about being "inconvenienced" when yer playing on someone else's server for free.
I'm sure it's inconvenient at times foradmins to put up with having to monitor the server as well, as well as move it around, try and fix it, try and set it up
and try and get a stable server kit running when very few people show up at all on "test servers".

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2004, 07:31:58 pm »
I don't think we've had a severely populated server that had 80% uptime.  Server crashes are part and parcel of the game, and need to be planned for.

Hence my post.  Support for the fact that the server has been crashing, and nothing more than that.

I really don't think that the server needs an extension, unless it's a drastic crash, like say half of a planned day... ;)

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2004, 10:29:05 pm »
I don't think we've had a severely populated server that had 80% uptime.  Server crashes are part and parcel of the game, and need to be planned for.


We've lost 4 hours out of 216 so far.  that is less than 2 percent downtime thank you very much  ;D

EDIT:  Prime time tonight was un-interupted.

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2004, 12:00:04 am »
Thanks for your efforts DH. But statistical analysis of downtime doesn't account for lost DV's coming out of missions to a down server, or pilots logging off in frustration. Most haven't posted here - but take my word they're out there.

Re extra hours... I like the original idea of ending on a Sunday. If hours are extended it could give an advantage to the side with more available time on weekdays. We've seen a lot of "pilot availability factor" on this server.

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2004, 12:02:02 am »
Thanks for your efforts DH. But statistical analysis of downtime doesn't account for lost DV's coming out of missions to a down server, or pilots logging off in frustration. Most haven't posted here - but take my word they're out there.

Re extra hours... I like the original idea of ending on a Sunday. If hours are extended it could give an advantage to the side with more available time on weekdays. We've seen a lot of "pilot availability factor" on this server.


Doesn't matter, this is not up for debate.   Server ends on schedule.
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2004, 03:34:06 am »
Just because you lost connection to the server does NOT mean that the server crashed, there are two sides to every connection...
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2004, 07:12:57 am »
Server ends on schedule my ass. Turn it off Thanksgiving day. Move the final build to Friday. Extend the server to Sunday because of Thanksgiving. As a result: MORE people will be able to play, server downtime on thursday due to a crash and no admin will be a non-issue, we can all get a momentary f*cking reprieve from nerve wracking black hole sucking dyna whoring and spend some time quietly refreshing our nerves reading a book, buying a ho for the night or spending time with family and friends like most of us will be doing.

I think it will make all parties happy. 

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2004, 08:26:21 am »

I think it will make all parties happy. 

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2004, 10:43:45 am »
Server ends on schedule my ass. Turn it off Thanksgiving day. Move the final build to Friday. Extend the server to Sunday because of Thanksgiving. As a result: MORE people will be able to play, server downtime on thursday due to a crash and no admin will be a non-issue, we can all get a momentary f*cking reprieve from nerve wracking black hole sucking dyna whoring and spend some time quietly refreshing our nerves reading a book, buying a ho for the night or spending time with family and friends like most of us will be doing.

I think it will make all parties happy. 

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2004, 10:45:27 am »
Server ends on schedule my ass. Turn it off Thanksgiving day. Move the final build to Friday. Extend the server to Sunday because of Thanksgiving. As a result: MORE people will be able to play, server downtime on thursday due to a crash and no admin will be a non-issue, we can all get a momentary f*cking reprieve from nerve wracking black hole sucking dyna whoring and spend some time quietly refreshing our nerves reading a book, buying a ho for the night or spending time with family and friends like most of us will be doing.

I think it will make all parties happy. 

It is amazing how people think this is a democracy  :lol:
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2004, 12:22:41 pm »
In the Federation you will find this regarding the Dyna...

"Democracy: de·moc·ra·cy

1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4. Majority rule.
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community."

What a quaint notion. It is madness to believe that the great unwashed masses could possibly know what is best. Madness. Why, most of them must wear slip-ons or velcro just to keep shoes on their feet. The thought of them actually deciding anything important is terrifying.

Every Romulan knows that Dyna democracy should be defined as follows...

demo: barely tested and likely to fail regularly, if infrequently
cracy: insane

The one upside that Dyna democracy has going for it? The great unwashed masses generally prefer it to mowing the lawn or shoveling snow.

(ooc: I am perfectly content with how things have been, have no complaints, appreciate all the time and effort given by those responsible for bringing this server to us and am just glad to have had the chance to play and chat with friends irrespective of when it ends.)

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2004, 01:11:41 pm »
In the Federation you will find this regarding the Dyna...

"Democracy: de·moc·ra·cy

1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4. Majority rule.
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community."

What a quaint notion. It is madness to believe that the great unwashed masses could possibly know what is best. Madness. Why, most of them must wear slip-ons or velcro just to keep shoes on their feet. The thought of them actually deciding anything important is terrifying.

Every Romulan knows that Dyna democracy should be defined as follows...

demo: barely tested and likely to fail regularly, if infrequently
cracy: insane

The one upside that Dyna democracy has going for it? The great unwashed masses generally prefer it to mowing the lawn or shoveling snow.

(ooc: I am perfectly content with how things have been, have no complaints, appreciate all the time and effort given by those responsible for bringing this server to us and am just glad to have had the chance to play and chat with friends irrespective of when it ends.)

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2004, 02:39:54 pm »
We've lost 4 hours out of 216 so far.  that is less than 2 percent downtime thank you very much  ;D

Pretty damn good stats.  We've had servers that lose an entire day (or days).  Damn good job.

I agree w/ the lost PP due to coming out of a mission only to find a lost connection.  But that issue applies across the board to all players.  Let the server end as scheduled (barring catastrophy).  Think of it like this DH ... if the server sucked you'd be hearing a lot of players hoping the damn thing ended early.  It doesn't suck and a lot of people are enjoying the game and want to keep playing ... which is a good thing.  But the GWs were suppose to be a 2-week campaign.  Looking forward to GW5.

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2004, 03:21:54 pm »

I agree w/ the lost PP due to coming out of a mission only to find a lost connection.  But that issue applies across the board to all players.  Let the server end as scheduled (barring catastrophy).  Think of it like this DH ... if the server sucked you'd be hearing a lot of players hoping the damn thing ended early.  It doesn't suck and a lot of people are enjoying the game and want to keep playing ... which is a good thing.  But the GWs were suppose to be a 2-week campaign.  Looking forward to GW5.

I know, we just find it amusing that people think they have any say in the matter.   ;D


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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2004, 03:48:04 pm »

I agree w/ the lost PP due to coming out of a mission only to find a lost connection.  But that issue applies across the board to all players.  Let the server end as scheduled (barring catastrophy).  Think of it like this DH ... if the server sucked you'd be hearing a lot of players hoping the damn thing ended early.  It doesn't suck and a lot of people are enjoying the game and want to keep playing ... which is a good thing.  But the GWs were suppose to be a 2-week campaign.  Looking forward to GW5.

I know, we just find it amusing that people think they have any say in the matter.   ;D


D2 Crackwhores, you will not be left hanging.   We have a couple of ideas that will be up shortly after GW4 is over.  2 week Hiatus tops.


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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2004, 03:59:30 pm »


  Ok DH, don't leave us guessing about the next dyna camp.  ;D
             
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Sort of vannilla, but all specialty ships of a DD hull or smaller will be available for all. 
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2004, 11:02:33 pm »
I agree, more time the better. For what its worth I'll not stop playing it. I think the idea is to enjoy it. Sure a little extra time might cause someone to be killed, but thats the beauty of it all.  ;D

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« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2004, 05:56:34 am »


  Ok DH, don't leave us guessing about the next dyna camp.  ;D
             
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Sort of vannilla, but all specialty ships of a DD hull or smaller will be available for all. 

Traditional Alliances?
And I'm assuming Light Command Cruisers are unrestrictedish?
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2004, 06:21:10 am »
And your traditional life pod as well Hexx....... ;D

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2004, 10:48:07 am »

Traditional Alliances?
And I'm assuming Light Command Cruisers are unrestrictedish?

Not sure about the Alliances, CWLs will be unrestricted.
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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2004, 03:53:55 pm »
And your traditional life pod as well Hexx....... ;D

Oh you are so going DOWN my feline friend, not only have I een broadening my horizons by flying Fed and Klink (well for a bit)
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2004, 08:57:51 am »
So when exactly is GW4 over? (sorry if I missed it.) I'd like to run a MySQL stress test the following day or immediately after it comes down...

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« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2004, 12:48:21 pm »
So when exactly is GW4 over? (sorry if I missed it.) I'd like to run a MySQL stress test the following day or immediately after it comes down...

Saturday night at midnight Eastern.
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2004, 01:02:52 pm »
If you had kept it down like I wanted on TG day and run it thru Sunday night, all 3x of your DN's and that BCV would still be alive. <Snicker>

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2004, 01:03:19 pm »

Saturday night at midnight Eastern.

Oh, crap.  I thought it was to end on Sunday.

I just KNEW I should have told the family to "get the hell out" last night.  I've less time left than I thought.

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2004, 01:05:12 pm »
If you had kept it down like I wanted on TG day and run it thru Sunday night, all 3x of your DN's and that BCV would still be alive. <Snicker>

Find somebody else to do SG, I want nothing to do with it anymore you prick.
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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2004, 01:46:48 pm »
So when exactly is GW4 over? (sorry if I missed it.) I'd like to run a MySQL stress test the following day or immediately after it comes down...

Saturday night at midnight Eastern.

Thanks, I'll look at starting the SQL test immediately after, or on Sunday afternoon.

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2004, 05:09:28 pm »
Hoi Bonk,

As soon as Day of the Eagle ends put yours up. That is when you will get the numbers, a late night for you I know, so if you need to crash I will fill in if there is something I can do.

Take care

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Re: GW4-More Time needed due to Frequent Interuption
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2004, 10:38:26 pm »
Hoi Bonk,

As soon as Day of the Eagle ends put yours up. That is when you will get the numbers, a late night for you I know, so if you need to crash I will fill in if their is something I can do.

Take care

drb


rgr, thanks for the offer, if I move it to my server I'll get you to keep an eye on it for me if yer up, but I just scheduled the server to start at 1:01 ADT Sunday morning on Thor, one minute after GW4 is over, with luck it will run unattended, but I'll probably be around to check on it anyway. ;)