Topic: Donation of a Challenge League

[Morph]

I hear with the closing of GZ that some of you SFC fans may need a new place for your PBA? If thats the case i will donate a challenge League to help your cause. There is 1 catch. Who ever takes charge of it must run it and supply there own Admins.

All I will do is supply the means for you to continue your way of gaming and make sure it runs properly.

WGL no longer runs ladders for the gaming community. WGLeague.com and MDT-Tech.com has teamed up to offer Private Leagues for your Fleet,Clan or Groups Favorite Game. Leagues come in two choice Points League and challenge League.

[KBF-Butcher]

Ok i was about to open a new thread for what i wanting to post but looks like this one covers me.

We have to decide all the fleets that are interesting for PBA what road we should take to make this league succesfull and have fun.

1)We can run the league through these forums i guess with the obvious possibility due to technical issues not last long enough.

2)There is the better possibility to support it with a static web site (thats very easy to design it and i got 40MB to host it as i guess others have ,too).
This can have the fleet rosters , game info , game rules , fleet standings , and the games schedule where everything will be updated manually and daily taking the info from the static threads of these forums where fleet leaders will update their fleet status(win,loss,new fleet members...).The matches will be scheduled ofcourse from the forums.

3)We can agree to morph's offer.And have everything ready.

I guess the 3rd choice is far the best but  i beleive we need all fleets opinion.

[KHH Jakle]

Couple Points -

GZ shut down because I no longer have the time or the desire to Admin it.  Maintaining a formal League sight is work.

So which one of you guys want's to invest the time and the energy to learning how a site works, then explaining to everybody how to join it, make roster's and all that other crap?

This is a small enterprise, that I think is better served by keeping it loose and informal.  Keep it in here.  If you need rosters or anthing to track stuff, use GSA Arena.

The above are all valid points for you all to consider.

Personal opinion wise -

I won't be involved in anything that even smells like Morph.  Niether will the rest of KHH.

Morph isn't offering this out of the goodness of his heart.  There is always some slick, slimy ulterior motive.  I have my thoughts about what they are, but I'll keep those to myself.

Look, if you guys think it's important to have some formal League Structure, then make it easy on yoursleves - go to CUGS (another Morph-clone) and tell them you'll go join their League if they give you a little PBR corner.  I'm sure they'll welcome you with open arms "for the community" *gag*

At least then you don't need an admin.

[Kroma BaSyl]

K.I.S.S.

I always felt the GZ site was using a sledgehammer to drive a nail. Simpler the better.

[KHH Jakle]

K.I.S.S.

I always felt the GZ site was using a sledgehammer to drive a nail. Simpler the better.

Well, in it's defense, it was underutilized relative to what I think NiHM had in mind, which was a far grander notion and he tried to load it with alot of bells and whistles.  The fact was that all that was needed for what we had was the schedule and some simple rosters - period. 

So, what you say is essentially true, and I agree KISS should be the concept here.  Just putting it into context 

[Kroma BaSyl]

K.I.S.S.

I always felt the GZ site was using a sledgehammer to drive a nail. Simpler the better.

Well, in it's defense, it was underutilized relative to what I think NiHM had in mind, which was a far grander notion and he tried to load it with alot of bells and whistles.  The fact was that all that was needed for what we had was the schedule and some simple rosters - period. 

So, what you say is essentially true, and I agree KISS should be the concept here.  Just putting it into context 

Don't get me wrong, I got nothing against sledgehammers, and the sight had a lot of features that could have been very useful if the league was scaling up.

[KHH Jakle]

Don't get me wrong, I got nothing against sledgehammers

I bet

[Ronin]

No need to move things from right here. I am not playing PBR Divisional League matches because I need to see my fleet stats on a web site and I don't see any reason to create admins at a new site. We have all been doing this long enough that I believe there is nothing we can not settle with a handshake.

Two things regarding the offer from Morph:

1. "You get what you pay for" - We would all do well to remember that.

2. "When something looks too good to be true, it probably is." - Something else we should all try to keep in mind.

I believe we are here because those who run the Dyna realm saw an opportuntity to help bring the community together when Jakle approached them about the closing of GZ. Great motive and hats off to them. Many of us know from years of experience that the people running things here are honest and forthright. And that is much more important to me than a slick site that might save ten minutes of time in a week. Moving elsewhere fractures a community that is just coming together. Bad idea in my opinion.

I will not move from here, no matter how good the offer looks. I know what we have here... I appreciate it... and I will not walk away from it.

[Mutilator]

Thanks for the offer Meph. Looks like we are not able accept.

"Forgiveness is the key that unlocks the door of resentment and the handcuffs of hate. It is a power that breaks the chains of bitterness and the shackles of selfishness."
William Arthur Ward

[Ronin]

A fox and a scorpion come to a river. Both want to get to the other side.

"Hey," says the scorpion. "How about I climb on your back while you swim over?"

"You must be kidding," answers the fox. "I have seen what you do. You sting and kill things without any sign of reason."

"But listen," pleads the scorpion. "If I sting you and you die I will drown too. You have nothing to worry about."

Thinking for a moment the fox can think of no reason to dispute the argument.

"OK," says the fox. "Climb aboard."

Halfway across the river the scorpion stings the fox several times in the neck. The fox, paralysis beginning to take hold, gasps...

"You said you would not sting me!"

"Hey," answers the scorpion. "You knew I was a scorpion when you let me climb on your back."

~ Author unknown

[MrCue]

Chakotay from Voyager made almost the same quote as that.

Except the scorpion said he colulnt help it, it was his nature.

[Slider]

I hear with the closing of GZ that some of you SFC fans may need a new place for your PBA? If thats the case i will donate a challenge League to help your cause. There is 1 catch. Who ever takes charge of it must run it and supply there own Admins.

All I will do is supply the means for you to continue your way of gaming and make sure it runs properly.

WGL no longer runs ladders for the gaming community. WGLeague.com and MDT-Tech.com has teamed up to offer Private Leagues for your Fleet,Clan or Groups Favorite Game. Leagues come in two choice Points League and challenge League.

Go Eat S**t and Die Morph.

[Saying what everyone else wants to but are being polite]

[KBF-Butcher]

No need to move things from right here. I am not playing PBR Divisional League matches because I need to see my fleet stats on a web site and I don't see any reason to create admins at a new site. We have all been doing this long enough that I believe there is nothing we can not settle with a handshake.

Two things regarding the offer from Morph:

1. "You get what you pay for" - We would all do well to remember that.

2. "When something looks too good to be true, it probably is." - Something else we should all try to keep in mind.

I believe we are here because those who run the Dyna realm saw an opportuntity to help bring the community together when Jakle approached them about the closing of GZ. Great motive and hats off to them. Many of us know from years of experience that the people running things here are honest and forthright. And that is much more important to me than a slick site that might save ten minutes of time in a week. Moving elsewhere fractures a community that is just coming together. Bad idea in my opinion.

I will not move from here, no matter how good the offer looks. I know what we have here... I appreciate it... and I will not walk away from it.

K most of your statements i agree with u Ronin ; its very good to have  opportunity to bring the community together and i dont think anybody play divisional league matches to see his  fleet stats on a web site.
However u wrote u dont want to walk away from it! To run away from what?
Do we have a league yet to run away from.And if u beleive we gonna have one how long u think it gonna last???
U really beleive we r gonna finish the cycle  and the forums actually can support the whole league to run properly?
If u do then i hope u r right but did u see anyone till now to take the initiative and begin organising the whole thing??
Jakle is out u r out the FPF havent decide yet if they will join or not.We just see ideas and nothing more.
My point is i would expect in this thread someone to come up and say: "ok guys what morph leagues and bullsh*ts?? no worries i have the free time to work on it and take the initiative and im ready to organise the league and make it work only supported by these forums".
Ok instead of that u r posting no to morphs free league then sit back and wait for a miracle to run the league!!Thats cool!
So what r we going to do ???
Whos gonna make the schedule ? Whos gonna bring a dam RBG ? Basicly whos gonna run this league?

If we ve just accepted Morphs offer all would be ready and easy to go and that doesnt mean we should then leave these forums.

[Kroma BaSyl]

No need to move things from right here. I am not playing PBR Divisional League matches because I need to see my fleet stats on a web site and I don't see any reason to create admins at a new site. We have all been doing this long enough that I believe there is nothing we can not settle with a handshake.

Two things regarding the offer from Morph:

1. "You get what you pay for" - We would all do well to remember that.

2. "When something looks too good to be true, it probably is." - Something else we should all try to keep in mind.

I believe we are here because those who run the Dyna realm saw an opportuntity to help bring the community together when Jakle approached them about the closing of GZ. Great motive and hats off to them. Many of us know from years of experience that the people running things here are honest and forthright. And that is much more important to me than a slick site that might save ten minutes of time in a week. Moving elsewhere fractures a community that is just coming together. Bad idea in my opinion.

I will not move from here, no matter how good the offer looks. I know what we have here... I appreciate it... and I will not walk away from it.

K most of your statements i agree with u Ronin ; its very good to have  opportunity to bring the community together and i dont think anybody play divisional league matches to see his  fleet stats on a web site.
However u wrote u dont want to walk away from it! To run away from what?
Do we have a league yet to run away from.And if u beleive we gonna have one how long u think it gonna last???
U really beleive we r gonna finish the cycle  and the forums actually can support the whole league to run properly?
If u do then i hope u r right but did u see anyone till now to take the initiative and begin organising the whole thing??
Jakle is out u r out the FPF havent decide yet if they will join or not.We just see ideas and nothing more.
My point is i would expect in this thread someone to come up and say: "ok guys what morph leagues and bullsh*ts?? no worries i have the free time to work on it and take the initiative and im ready to organise the league and make it work only supported by these forums".
Ok instead of that u r posting no to morphs free league then sit back and wait for a miracle to run the league!!Thats cool!
So what r we going to do ???
Whos gonna make the schedule ? Whos gonna bring a dam RBG ? Basicly whos gonna run this league?

If we ve just accepted Morphs offer all would be ready and easy to go and that doesnt mean we should then leave these forums.

I believe Kel volunteered to create the schedule and terms, Jakle is managing the PBR, FPF has already said they are in, and we can schedule matchs right here. What else do we really need.

[Ronin]

Butcher... one of the great things about life is "choices." Jakle chose to close up GZ. I chose not to take over. Frey chose to allow us space here. Morph chose to offer us space with him. I choose to stay here and see what happens. You choose to criticize me for that.

All of that is all right. I have no problem with any of it. As for who will run things... that will depend on who has the time and energy. The fact that no one has stepped up to do it yet does not mean no one will. I am willing to wait a bit. As far as I am concerned there is no hurry. I would rather take it slowly and make sure everyone is onboard than move quickly, anyway.

Maybe it will take a miracle, as you said. But maybe not. Now I realize that I could be mistaken, but I really don't think we need to be alarmist about anything. The GZ PBR Divisional League did not take shape overnight. It took many months to shape up into what it became. Perhaps we will do the same thing here using the forums for our information. Perhaps not. But I see no reason to rush into something simply because it appears expedient.

Let's take a little more time, see which fleets have committed to participate, find out if anyone is willing to run it (someone will be), and then ask them to make it happen in whatever way works best for them using these forums. I offered a suggestion or two about it on the GZ forums, but someone else may have better ideas. Let's find out.

Butcher, I think you are a good guy. I think your heart is in the right place. But I think we all need to just relax and let things happen as opposed to trying to force something to happen according to some artificial timeline we want to impose.

Respects...

[Morph]

I understand the way some of you feel and I quite frankly feel the same about those few people also, but i was approached by people that play the PBA. I only offer the means to a challenge league thats it. As far as Jackle and legendary well they will never change and always will be argumentative and rude. I can care less if yall except the offer or not. No sweat off my balls. But the offer stands if you change your minds.

I don't have time for the little bickering that you guys are doing here. So those who approached me on this, I posted like I said I would the balls in your court.

[Ronin]

I believe Kel volunteered to create the schedule and terms, Jakle is managing the PBR, FPF has already said they are in, and we can schedule matchs right here. What else do we really need.

Excellent... then we will stand by and allow Kel time to get in the pool and swim around with the sharks a bit while getting used to the water. Whenever he is ready to post up a schedule will be fine with me. I am content to wait until he is ready. The last thing I want to do is to start this ball rolling with whoever is responsible for the job of getting things moving and keeping things going feeling like we are all barking at him to "move faster, get the lead out!"

Kel, if you are reading this, take your time. Real life comes first. Getting this thing started "right" is much more important that getting it started "now." And thanks for taking the job.

Respects...

[KBF-Butcher]

Butcher... one of the great things about life is "choices." Jakle chose to close up GZ. I chose not to take over. Frey chose to allow us space here. Morph chose to offer us space with him. I choose to stay here and see what happens. You choose to criticize me for that.

All of that is all right. I have no problem with any of it. As for who will run things... that will depend on who has the time and energy. The fact that no one has stepped up to do it yet does not mean no one will. I am willing to wait a bit. As far as I am concerned there is no hurry. I would rather take is slowly and make sure everyone is onboard than move quickly, anyway.

Maybe it will take a miracle, as you said. But maybe not. Now I realize that I could be mistaken, but I really don't think we need to be alarmist about anything. The GZ PBR Divisional League did not take shape overnight. It took many months to shape up into what it became. Perhaps we will do the same thing here using the forums for our information. Perhaps not. But I see no reason to rush into something simply because it appears expedient.

Let's take a little more time, see which fleets have committed to participate, find out if anyone is willing to run it (someone will be), and then ask them to make it happen in whatever way works best for them using these forums. I offered a suggestion or two about it on the GZ forums, but someone else may have better ideas. Let's find out.

Butcher, I think you are a good guy. I think your heart is in the right place. But I think we all need to just relax and let things happen as opposed to trying to force something to happen according to some artificial timeline we want to impose.

Respects...

Yo Ronin im sorry it looked like i criticised u for something but i honestly  what i intended to say is that the people that can actually have the experience and the free time to take the initiative and begin organising the league.
We need responsible people to step up and promote solutions and actions that can make this league run which i beleive is very difficult through forums.
If u think the whole thing might need more time this is something im not sure its good cause it might cause some people-fleets to loose their interest.
U r much more experienced than me though  and maybe  u r right(i hope u r).
respects

[KHH Jakle]

If we ve just accepted Morphs offer all would be ready and easy to go and that doesnt mean we should then leave these forums.

Butcher - that's a ludicrous statement.  'Ready and Easy'? Again - who would manage it?  It's not such an easy thing.

Butcher, I honestly like you (I don't hold you being in ISC against you  ) so I am not bashing you.  Even if Jesus H. Christ offered us a prebuilt league, I don't think it's necessary. 

I am not sure if you personally persued Morph, but if it was, I appreciate the effort nonetheless.

[KHH Jakle]

Go Eat S**t and Die Morph.

[Saying what everyone else wants to but are being polite]

Huzzah.

For the record, I am the one who broke the glass.  Sometimes a little Slider-foam is necessary.

[Slider]

I understand the way some of you feel and I quite frankly feel the same about those few people also, but i was approached by people that play the PBA. I only offer the means to a challenge league thats it. As far as Jackle and legendary well they will never change and always will be argumentative and rude. I can care less if yall except the offer or not. No sweat off my balls. But the offer stands if you change your minds.

I don't have time for the little bickering that you guys are doing here. So those who approached me on this, I posted like I said I would the balls in your court.

Feelings mutual Morph....now thats a doorknob not a butt-plug so dont let it get stuck in your arse on the way out of here.

[Mutilator]

One hope I had coming to the Dynaverse forums as we left the GZ site and forums behind was that we could have left the pettiness and crap there as well. It took only a few days to turn the new OP forums into a garbage scow.

I do not know the history of KHH and GZ vs. Morph nor could I care. Morph only made an offer and the response from some of our members quite honestly is disappointing. The spirit of this game is one of hope; one where we can work together through our differences to build a better gaming experience.

The move here was two fold from my impression one: Jakle wanted to step back from the burden of authority; two perhaps attract some new players in a joint effort with the dynaverse community. While the execution of the game is warfare it should be played out in the spirit of sportsmanship. This pettiness and grudge holding has to be suspended. People coming here to check out the new ?OP? forums only need to read a couple of threads now and say ?What a bunch of petty losers, why would I want to be part of something like that??

Legendary/Slider I think you?re a good person. You always say you stand up to bullies and fight to defend people that have been wronged. I honestly think you are edging towards the very thing you say you defend against. Phaser and ISC are making their case for their opinion on PPD?s as it is their race of choice the have a huge stake in the decision and I for one think they should be verbal on what they think will met their needs. Making reference to PPD?s and the size of their genitals seem rather childish. Trashing Morph for what appears to be a sincere offer regardless of what some perceived notions of his motives may be. I for one took it as a nice gesture or olive branch for those that have had issues with him in the past. Perhaps it needs to spelt out this is not GZ anymore and I would think we could all try a little harder to see past our own egos. I think Morph or anyone interested in the set up of this endeavor would be welcomed. I guess I was wrong on that notion.

I know people have differences, their own ideals and perceptions on things. I only ask that we as a community try and clean up our act and think twice before puffing out our chests with insults towards other players. There is no need of it. If you have an issue with someone PM them or keep it to yourself. Let?s keep the forums clean and trash free.

[KHH Jakle]

Mut - you make excellent points and you are a better person.

That doesn't mean I take back what I said - hell I don't even regret it.  But you are nonetheless correct.

Let the the old rancor die here, in this post.

[Slider]

I could have been nice, dilomatic, but i was brief and too the point.

Certain people at WGL went out of their way to bad mouth GZ. GZ a league that no one ever had to pay a dime. GZ that went out of their way to keep its players happy. And what did they do, they stood like sheep beliving the lies and badmouthing a good bunch of guys near daily on GSA. So GZ leaves goes to OP, the rest is history.

As far as Phaser is concerned you want to fly and test thigs out, saying that people dont have "balls" is not the way to do it. To me thats calling people out to a fight, people that have opened these forums to you.


p.s corbomite this comment you made... (If anyone thinks I am talking out my ass just ask anyone who knows me how well I fly ISC. Those ships make it really easy to look good.)  i think ur talking out of your ass, is there any chance you can meet us for some 3v3's so you can show us just how good those ships make ya look..ISC vs ISC  sound good to you??

Gee, looks like bully-boy talk to me, maybe im wrong...

Of course no one sticks a painstick in these turds...noooooooo, just let them spew their ego driven drival all over the forums.

I fire back, and im the bad guy.

So you say im becoming a bully eh? Your actually defending 2 clowns. Ok You deal with him. Good luck, Im sick of it. Dont know why I came here to begin with.

*of course im the moron, how silly of me*

*walks away*

[Kroma BaSyl]

One hope I had coming to the Dynaverse forums as we left the GZ site and forums behind was that we could have left the pettiness and crap there as well. It took only a few days to turn the new OP forums into a garbage scow.

LOL...n00b!!!! We have a long tradition of flaming each other around here. Why I once went a whole week appending "Hey Dizzy did I remember to tell you to go F yourself" to every post. And he's a friend.

[Kroma BaSyl]

For the record, there is a bit of bad blood between many around here and Morph, maybe he was being sincere this time, but his promises usually have strings attached. Would have been better to just politely turn down his offer though.

[Mutilator]

GZ is dead and we have moved on. I will always have fond memories of GZ and the great work that Nihm, Jakle,  you and the other admins did for all of us the players. To quote Eleanor Holmes Norton "The only way to make sure people you agree with can speak is to support the rights of people you don't agree with." I hardly ever agree with Phaser and ISC on anything rule related. I know they can be caustic at times on the forums, however I have spent time getting to know them on GSA and you maybe surprised that Phaser and ISC are huge supporters of this new league and of GZ in it's time. I  do not think the PPD issue is any different for them as low end BPV was for FSD at the time of those debates. ISC was one of the first to show up here and on the GSA arena to help with Jakles tests there. Corbomite made a statement and I think Phasers challenge was meant in the spirit of sportsmanship, I read it as a friendly challenge. Like in my post above we need to let go of all these old grudges and move forward together. Slider you have good ideas that you bring to the table I respect your opinion on many issues. My post above was more of a request to keep these forums productive with collaborations of ideas versus the bog down of flame wars. I meant you no dishonour just giving my impression on how I read the forums so far. Peace.


Kroma perhaps I am a little new or naive to forum life, however I know a lot of people responded better to a pat on the back than a slap in the face.
  

[Kroma BaSyl]

Kroma perhaps I am a little new or naive to forum life, however I know a lot of people responded better to a pat on the back than a slap in the face.
 

I was just joking with you. However, I respond best to a slap on the rear.

[Green]

I was just joking with you. However, I respond best to a slap on the rear.

Bend over big-boy ... here comes your slap.



Anyway, Kroma is right, bad blood existed in pockets of these fora since they started.  No biggie.

So guys ... we ready to give Kel a little time to sort things out and make a go of it?  I am.

[Morph]

Just to clear up on some confussion. I have no intentions of doing anything but to offer a league as I stated in previous posts. There are no hidden agenda, conspiracy or catches to my offer. I rent my Leagues out normally for $85/month, the people who approached me have played both GZ and WGL when we where  leagues and they have been a customer of mine for over a year with my webHosting company. I have always had the spirit of the Gamers in my heart since the SFC1 days and SL, when the GZ people where Admins for me with the TIGC.

Now that the Dynaverse.net forum seems to be turning into the GZ forums, this Will be my last post in this forum. The offer I made, I made because of a handful of people asked me if I would thats it! Not to bicker with the GZ people on the Dynaverse.net Forums. Mutilator you may be new to the forums and I appreciate your open mind, but the people that ran GZ will never change in there attitudes toward anybody that was either in competion with them or has been a pain in there ass over the years. Whoo, K9, KHH-Devil40 and allot more that I have forgoten used to be Admins for me back in the TIGC days not WGL.

In closing I appreciate all who looked at the offer with open minds and without holding grudges for years. Here is a link to the site I want to donate http://wgleague.com/wgleague/SFC/ it has a full adminstrations section that is vary advanced to say the least and does not take all the time that some people think to administrate. Don't let other people fool you in to thinking it is a hard and time consuming job to admin a league because its NOT. There are lots of good players and honest people here on the Dynaverse.net that would enjoy the PBA with this type of league set up. Just don't let the potty mouth people decide your course of action they are just closed minded and jealous that they can't offer anything else but a forum to run the PBA.

[KBF-Butcher]

Who the hell u think u r Legendary jump in the forums and telling us we shouldnt challenge people or fleets to a fight?
The last thing i want to do here is being challenge to arguements with people in a language that is not my first but my second , so yeah ill challenge to a fight who ever i want to ,cause this is why im here afterall to play some good battles.
I dont think phaser or i insulted anyone here just because we had a different opinion in some issues and we challenged them to a fight!
And u say that because corbomite and FPF r hosting these forums for us ,we dont have the right to argue with them defend our arguements and challenge them to a fight if we want to???
Thats maybe your way to lick owners boots and im sure u doing fine in this part(as i guess u were doing in GZ as well) but im sorry this is not my way.

I agree with every word Mut wrote in this thread and i couldnt express it cause of my english.
I already made a post to Jakle that this isnot the right time and place to bring up our personal issues instead of just work here for this league in a friendly way;This is gonna be a forum based league and if we begin this sh*t from now then we wont manage to finish another PBR divisional league cycle ,cause 1 fleet will withdraw after the other.

As for your personal problem with ISC and phaser , Jakle and Legendary its obvious u guys just cant  handle the fact that phaser and his team (almost a 1 year fleet) won the first 2 divisional league gz cycles so u trying throw him sh*t to feel better.
But i ll can assure u that phaser has earned the respect of the majority of gsa community all these years ,something i have many doubts that u did.

Kroma If these forums r only for flaming each other here and telling people to go eat sh*t and die then im sure i dont want to be a part on this.This is turning to a crap thing.
I hope u  all have fun.

Respects

[KHH Jakle]

damn...pegged me didn't he

[Corbomite]

And u say that because corbomite and FPF r hosting these forums for us ,we dont have the right to argue with them defend our arguements and challenge them to a fight if we want to???

I can assure you with most certainty that neither the FPF nor myself have anything at all to do with the ownership or administration of these forums. That would be Admiral Frey of XC you want to talk to for that.


And Kroma is just jesting. Get used to it.

[KBF-Butcher]

First of all i didnt bring anyone here!
KEG and myself we had the worst flaming arguements with morph in gsa last winter and i personally dont like him but not in a way to want him dead .The guy in a polite way ignoring your childish insults just offered free to host the PBA .
However ,from the first sight of morphs thread i knew what would be follow so in no way I would ever think to bring him here.

As for the ppd issue i m sure we have prooved we didnt have any problem in cycle 3 .

Im sorry u felt like i called U boot licker but before u tell me i master the english language u better master your english reading cause i was very accurate that the boot licker was pointed at Legendary and i explained why ,as well.

I m not gonna respond to any of your insults .U prooved anyone who u really r and what kind of person u represent u and Legendary in the community.

Honesty no hard feelings for your insults. U just confirmed my claims that u brough your personal issues with ISC here one more time.

I can assure you with most certainty that neither the FPF nor myself have anything at all to do with the ownership or administration of these forums. That would be Admiral Frey of XC you want to talk to for that.

Yo Corbomite u better point that to Legendary first and not me.He accused us for challenging the guys that made space to host the league,and i dont think we ever challenged Frey.

Respects

[KBF-Butcher]

 
Well Jakle i just noticed u modifyed your post with all the insults to me and ISC including unwashed pig , asswholes and that crap.
Looks like u have a double personality or something! 

[KHH Jakle]

yo Hella boy - why don't you scroll back through all these posts.  Your going to find that between you and Phaser, a steadily increasing degree of beligerency.  Thing is, I am not going to ignore 90% of it like I did before.

You want to blame the opening volley on me for suggesting Phaser's complaining about 'boring plasma ballet' or whatever it was just his way of saying that they weren't killing their opponents fast enough, that's cool.

Hell, you can even blame me for suggesting that Legendary/Slider come over and pay a visit.

But the bottom line is, you guys have conisitently been antagonistic jerks for the last 10 months.  I was giving Phaser the benefit of the doubt most of that time, giving him credit for recommending OP and OP+ from the beginning and being overall supportive of GZ. 

But when Cycle 3 began and he wanted to question my integrity - well as far I am concerned the bunch of you all can go rot. 

[KBF-Butcher]

Thing is, I am not going to ignore 90% of it like I did before.
Hell, you can even blame me for suggesting that Legendary/Slider come over and pay a visit.
I was giving Phaser the benefit of the doubt most of that time, giving him credit for recommending OP and OP+ from the beginning and being overall supportive of GZ.
But when Cycle 3 began and he wanted to question my integrity - well as far I am concerned the bunch of you all can go rot.

There is no any need to comment anything from u anymore all u keep doing is verify my previous posts.
However now i see it came back the dictatorial personality of yours that u tryed to cover up before a couple of days when it has been revealed.It seems it came up naturally again and i lmao with u .
How long enough do u think the community will  put up with those sh*t anymore?
And btw i dont see u run anything here or anyone made u a lead admin to keep up the same sh*t ,all that u offer herefrom the first time is bring up your personal ego problems with ISC or Morph whining and insulting ... so U can go rot.

[Payne]

Holy ego's

I have a plan, why don't we all just "Shut Up!!" before we ruin another cycle......or even worse........ ruin any possible future of this game for everyone.

Now U can ALL rot


With that out of the way, I was going to mention to everyone an idea.  I was thinking on getting something like pbrleague.com and setting up a site.  Is this something that can help, or is it a waist of money. 

I'm directing this at everyone so they can voice an opinion.  Not an opinon on who they want to fight this week...........an opinion on how we can SAVE this GAME.  In a way I'm almost at the point of throwing in the towel and saying who cares, obviously they can't get along.

[Morph]

Payne if you need to puchase a domain I sell them for $9.95 per year. Web Hosting Also, just let me know if I can help in any way.

[Mutilator]

Holy ego's
I have a plan, why don't we all just "Shut Up!!" before we ruin another cycle......or even worse........ ruin any possible future of this game for everyone.

here here

[2Hot2Handle]

I find it funny how any time some one or group of people decide to do some thing a certain way in some ones eyes they are dictators.

I was a dictator I was blamed for the fall of EAW by many. Jakle stepped up to the plate and worked his butt off to revive a dieing game ( speaking strictly about activity on GSA that is). He did so with refreshing new ideas and bold moves away from norm. that we all had grown so tired of. He also accomplished bridging the gap between D2 players and Ladder players. This its self was no small task do to the years of animosity between the two groups.

It makes me sick to my stomach to see people bash the people who have invested so much of their time or in mine and especially Whoo's place money. There are allot of people who spent thousands of of man hours and large sums of money to keep this game going for the love of the game and the people who played it.

Has Jakle's attitude towards some people changed ? Yep sure has. Like every lead admin before him he worked his butt off and received constant reticule and harassment from those who disagreed with him.

But let us look at the facts allot of other peoples attitudes have changed as well. I remember being in iCoP with Phaser and Ronin when I was running the ladder league. We were the only ones who wanted to change. Phaser was a strong supporter and extremely tactful in his persuit for change. I like Phaser and consider him a friend but for the last 9 to 10 months his tactfulness has gone out the window.

Then along comes a bunch of newer players not new but newer then some of us who have played since the early days of SFC1 with their boasting and disgusting bashing of peoples skills. People talking of how they are one of the greatest to ever play the game. Do not come to a community of players who have been together for years and bash them and not expect people to respect you and your bantering. People will lash out and will return your attacks.

As for Morph I won't spend much time on the subject as I do not believe it deserves much. As many already know his past has a proven record. He lies he cheats and he steals.


" Let he with out sin cast the first stone "

[Morph]

once again another GZ reject looking to justify himself:

I find it funny how any time some one or group of people decide to do some thing a certain way in some ones eyes they are dictators.

I see he don't practice what he preaches.

It makes me sick to my stomach to see people bash the people who have invested so much of their time. There are allot of people who spent thousands of of man hours and large sums of money to keep this game going for the love of the game and the people who played it.
 

So I guess he thinks GZ is the only people that put alot of time in.

Then along comes a bunch of newer players not new but newer then some of us who have played since the early days of SFC1 with their boasting and disgusting bashing of peoples skills. People talking of how they are one of the greatest to ever play the game. Do not come to a community of players who have been together for years and bash them and not expect people to respect you and your bantering. People will lash out and will return your attacks.

Once again needs to practice what he preaches.

As for Morph I won't spend much time on the subject as I do not believe it deserves much. As many already know his past has a proven record. He lies he cheats and he steals.

Then in closing you can't forget the Slam Dunk! 

Look people so far its been nothing but GZ people bashing the offer. Hey lets face it... They shut down the SFC2 Lobby, They Quit the OP lobby, now left you hagging with the PBR. I may have some people that really dislike like me, but I have been around alot longer than all of the Leagues and will continue to be a presence in the gaming Industries. After a while you get use to seeing people like the GZ group bash you on every avenue just to think they have control. Sooner or later these people will dwindle away and the rest of us gamers can get back to developing and have funny doing what we love to do with out the bother of opening a forum and seeing the same people cursing every post you make.

So you people at what was known as GZleagues need to get back on the porch and let the people willing to continue even through hard times supply what you failed to do on many attempts.

[Sirgod]

Just a Warning, Let's not make this Personal. Personal atacks will Lock this thread really quick.

Stephen

[Morph]

I believe the posts in this thread speaks for them self Stephen. This post started as a gesture to help the PBA. Thats it! There are a certain 3 people doing the slurring.

[Kroma BaSyl]

Kroma If these forums r only for flaming each other here and telling people to go eat sh*t and die then im sure i dont want to be a part on this.This is turning to a crap thing.
I hope u  all have fun.

It was a joke Butcher, I was trying to lighten the mode.

[Sirgod]

I believe the posts in this thread speaks for them self Stephen. This post started as a gesture to help the PBA. Thats it! There are a certain 3 people doing the slurring.

Understood Morph.

Let's just Keep It friendly Everyone.

Stephen

[2Hot2Handle]

once again another GZ reject looking to justify himself:

I find it funny how any time some one or group of people decide to do some thing a certain way in some ones eyes they are dictators.

I see he don't practice what he preaches.

It makes me sick to my stomach to see people bash the people who have invested so much of their time. There are allot of people who spent thousands of of man hours and large sums of money to keep this game going for the love of the game and the people who played it.
 

So I guess he thinks GZ is the only people that put alot of time in.

Then along comes a bunch of newer players not new but newer then some of us who have played since the early days of SFC1 with their boasting and disgusting bashing of peoples skills. People talking of how they are one of the greatest to ever play the game. Do not come to a community of players who have been together for years and bash them and not expect people to respect you and your bantering. People will lash out and will return your attacks.

Once again needs to practice what he preaches.

Look people so far its been nothing but GZ people bashing the offer. Hey lets face it... They shut down the SFC2 Lobby, They Quit the OP lobby, now left you hagging with the PBR. I may have some people that really dislike like me, but I have been around alot longer than all of the Leagues and will continue to be a presence in the gaming Industries. After a while you get use to seeing people like the GZ group bash you on every avenue just to think they have control. Sooner or later these people will dwindle away and the rest of us gamers can get back to developing and have funny doing what we love to do with out the bother of opening a forum and seeing the same people cursing every post you make.

So you people at what was known as GZleagues need to get back on the porch and let the people willing to continue even through hard times supply what you failed to do on many attempts.

LOL

ok your first Quote hmm what is your point ? Did I acuse some one of being a dictator?

Quote #2 I have never bashed you for your work. I have even told you good luck with your endevors on many ocasions. I will openly say you have spent large amounts of time invested in this game and community. What your motives were is the only thing I question.

Quote #3 I have no idea where you were going with that one.

So please keep claiming how I shut down the SFC2 lobby, and we quit the OP lobby. What happened to WGL's support of the SFC Games ? I do not blame you for the fall of any game or league. The player base was just not there any more. I guess we could have just shut the doors like some others and never offered any support in another direction for the players who do remain in the lobbys.

Morph offers you a product for free and for this he should be comended for the offer. I never claimed it was a bogus or should not be considered. I apologize to any one who may have concived it as being so. I was just simply stateing my personal opinion. So if I offened any one please accept my apologies.

The controling dictator of SFC.

[Morph]

umm did you read stephens post? Lets keep it civil and leave the past where it belongs. Since your leagues are gone people are going to need a system to match on and to keep track of stats and fleets which is done all by db.

You have seen my leagues and know they have the capability to accoplish alot more then what some of the other leagues have. I personaly think they are the most advanced leagues system on the internet.

So if we can set aside our personal feelings towards each other and look to better the community by providing what we both set out to do in the first place:

A better gaming community

We can let the people decide for themself their course of action.

[Mellow]

Over the years I have seen several Leagues come and go, and I have noticed that with each league coming and going people dropped from the lobby. Then not to mention when the lobby was split because someone thought that another game was better and moved the league there, that again more people left. Now the game is scraping to carry 100 people and if you are lucky maby there will be 30 of them in the lobby at the same time.

I think it is time to stop all the bickering, and just work together and try to make the game a success or maby help make other games a success, I actually don't believe that SFC 2 hsa a chance of coming back now, but that does not mean that for future games, leagues can't work together.

Just because someone has a league in a game does not mean they own that game. I think that if two leagues can work together in a sense and maby offer two different challenges to the gamers or features, then the gamers would be alot happier and most likely the lobby would grow.

I hope that in the future if two leagues are in the same lobby and game that they can work together to figure out a way to make the gamers get all that they can get, instead of flaming in the lobby and attacking people verbally to try to make them look bad.

I am not posting again, for I hate forums, I just wanted to speak my mind here, I mean, I quit the game cause I got tired of all the slamming in the lobby....

Peace all
Mellow

[Gendo]

Holy ego's

I have a plan, why don't we all just "Shut Up!!" before we ruin another cycle......or even worse........ ruin any possible future of this game for everyone.

Now U can ALL rot


With that out of the way, I was going to mention to everyone an idea.  I was thinking on getting something like pbrleague.com and setting up a site.  Is this something that can help, or is it a waist of money. 

I'm directing this at everyone so they can voice an opinion.  Not an opinon on who they want to fight this week...........an opinion on how we can SAVE this GAME.  In a way I'm almost at the point of throwing in the towel and saying who cares, obviously they can't get along.

If you all want, I'll buy the domain and give you some webspace that I'm not using right now if you all want it.

EDIT: Spelling

[2Hot2Handle]

I think that is a wonderful offer guys.

That being said though I don't think you should spend the money or the time to bother with it. It appears to me that they are more the capable of supplying every ones needs to run the PBR league here with out any added expense or work by any one. But hey thats just my opinion.

Payne you know I love you man and Gendo your starting to grow on me hmmm kinda like a fungus  .

[Payne]

Get over here and give me a hug 

[2Hot2Handle]

    dont forget the        big boy!!!!!!!!!!

[Mutilator]

Now you guys are making me weepy; man I can feel the love in this thread now, this is what it's all about. I  especially like the sentiments toward our lost boy Gendo.  someone pass me a tissue 

All kidding aside I think you should all hold on to your money let's see how it works out here first. Thanks to all that have made the offers.

[GDA-Kel]

Wow. 

I quit reading this thread after the first page....

I don't know Morpheus.  I don't know what 'issues' exist between certain folks/fleets that have resurfaced in this thread. 

Until it is proven to me otherwise, I will assume this is a genuine offer to host the wayward GZ League. 

To Morpheus, thank you for your offer.  I believe we have decided as a group to give the League a try by simply using these forums for our admin tasks. 

If this proves to be too cumbersome or too 'vanilla' for our tastes, then we can certainly revisit your offer in the future, along with other alternatives (Payne has offered some web space and forums if I am correct).   

 

[FVA_C_ Blade_ XC]

Since you children can't play nice, This thread is now locked.


I will not stand for any personal attacks directed at anyone on this site.


Have a nice day!