Topic: The PPD Rule

[FPF-DieHard]

U guys r able to bring(using PBR), in mid for example, ship combos with amazing firepower :
2 DG+:4hellbores 2phaserg 2phaser1 4phaser2 and 43power!!!,each
+ 1 LGE+(dread):3hell 2fussion 7phaser1
+ 14hornet2!!!  
And when u loose u come and claim the shuttle tactic cheese??? then i feel like i already missed GT...

They had an ID and 2 MKE for 28 hornets against us 

And yes, I used the shuttle "tactic"   

[Kroma BaSyl]

And yes, I used the shuttle "tactic"   

We already knew you were a cheeser froggy.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Admin shuttle is considered a fighter.
Defensive plasma I fires automatically at fighters.

If you don't want the plasma I to fire don't set it as defensive.

I don't see the bug here.
The system is working exactly as documented.

The discussion is not about I torps.

But about using a flaw in the AI logic as a way to escape fighters.

IE explioting a known bug.

[Kroma BaSyl]

Admin shuttle is considered a fighter.
Defensive plasma I fires automatically at fighters.

If you don't want the plasma I to fire don't set it as defensive.

I don't see the bug here.
The system is working exactly as documented.

The discussion is not about I torps.

But about using a flaw in the AI logic as a way to escape fighters.

IE explioting a known bug.

Problem is, one man's "known bug" is another man's "known AI interaction".

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

I dont think it worths a reply at this "bug exploit" ,and i find all these a waste of time.
I think its time to draw a line here and agree to let the league as it is.No more rules change and new regulations that will make the league more complicated than it already is.
This tactic was always legal in gsa cause is just a tactic like many other similar shuttle tactics.
And most of all none ever claimed this tactic cheese.

U guys r able to bring(using PBR), in mid for example, ship combos with amazing firepower :
2 DG+:4hellbores 2phaserg 2phaser1 4phaser2 and 43power!!!,each
+ 1 LGE+(dread):3hell 2fussion 7phaser1
+ 14hornet2!!! 
And when u loose u come and claim the shuttle tactic cheese??? then i feel like i already missed GT...

Oh, I see, now that your cheese is best, Mr PPD, you don't want a rule change?

PPD rule needs to go back to 1 ship with PPD. Period.

As for your lame attempt at exposing our 'awesome firepower'... consider what you would counter with at that BPV....

CCZ, CAZ, CAZ

4 PPD, 6 PlasS, 18 PlasI, 24 Ph1, 18 ph3.

And the power to run at 31 all day tossing those S torps over your shoulder. 

So the Hornets are NEVER gonna get in firing range b/c their max spd is 27. 

Anyways, I need a laugh, so tell me.  What Hydran LIGHT dread is gonna take on a CCZ without fighters?

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Admin shuttle is considered a fighter.
Defensive plasma I fires automatically at fighters.

If you don't want the plasma I to fire don't set it as defensive.

I don't see the bug here.
The system is working exactly as documented.

The discussion is not about I torps.

But about using a flaw in the AI logic as a way to escape fighters.

IE explioting a known bug.

Problem is, one man's "known bug" is another man's "known AI interaction".

Yeah, right... so we are back to exploiting bugs, eh?

[FPF-DieHard]

Don't fall for it Bear!!! 

[Kroma BaSyl]

Admin shuttle is considered a fighter.
Defensive plasma I fires automatically at fighters.

If you don't want the plasma I to fire don't set it as defensive.

I don't see the bug here.
The system is working exactly as documented.

The discussion is not about I torps.

But about using a flaw in the AI logic as a way to escape fighters.

IE explioting a known bug.

Problem is, one man's "known bug" is another man's "known AI interaction".

Yeah, right... so we are back to exploiting bugs, eh?

It ain't a bug. That's the point.

Kroma,

PS, STFU DH, I almost got him going, a couple more post and I bet 762 has a stroke too.

[FPF-DieHard]

PS, STFU DH, I almost got him going, a couple more post and I bet 762 has a stroke too.

Nah, He'll stroke when he sees how many CCY the ISC can build on Slave girls 

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

PS, STFU DH, I almost got him going, a couple more post and I bet 762 has a stroke too.

Like i was gonna 'get going' over a cross dressing lizard like you!!!

[762_XC]

You don't need to bait me any more Kroma. There isn't much point in trying to convince those who haven't figured out how to deal with fighters using legitimate tactics, who will of course fight tooth and nail for their ability to continue to exploit this bug. I doubt anyone who doesn't fly Hydran will cry, because fighters are scary and probably in many people's minds deserve to be nerfed. Never mind that Hydrans are not a viable race without them.

The fact that this even needs to be discussed is pure bullcrap. Rest assured if this were a bug which affected photons or (god forbid!) PPD we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

And Butcher: 

[FPF-DieHard]

Give me large maps and I'll gladly endorse this 

[Kroma BaSyl]

Give me large maps and I'll gladly endorse this 

Give me small and I'll do the same.

[Kroma BaSyl]

I do have a serious question though. Do you consider launching a SS at a fighter group to be an exploit too?

[762_XC]

I do have a serious question though. Do you consider launching a SS at a fighter group to be an exploit too?

Yes, but one I can live with. At least then it costs you a mine to make your Super Duper Fighter Decoy.

[FPF-DieHard]

I do have a serious question though. Do you consider launching a SS at a fighter group to be an exploit too?

Nope, the BPV of it costing a mine is worth it.

[Dfly]

I do have a serious question though. Do you consider launching a SS at a fighter group to be an exploit too?

Yes, but one I can live with. At least then it costs you a mine to make your Super Duper Fighter Decoy.

So you mean to say as long as it costs someone at least one mine, you dont mind us using your so called bug exploit?

[762_XC]

I can live with it because asking for a rule to ban suicide shuttles would be unfair. Since admins have almost no tactical use other than as Super Duper Fighter Decoys, they are a different story.

[KBF-Butcher]

I dont think it worths a reply at this "bug exploit" ,and i find all these a waste of time.
I think its time to draw a line here and agree to let the league as it is.No more rules change and new regulations that will make the league more complicated than it already is.
This tactic was always legal in gsa cause is just a tactic like many other similar shuttle tactics.
And most of all none ever claimed this tactic cheese.

U guys r able to bring(using PBR), in mid for example, ship combos with amazing firepower :
2 DG+:4hellbores 2phaserg 2phaser1 4phaser2 and 43power!!!,each
+ 1 LGE+(dread):3hell 2fussion 7phaser1
+ 14hornet2!!!
And when u loose u come and claim the shuttle tactic cheese??? then i feel like i already missed GT...

Oh, I see, now that your cheese is best, Mr PPD, you don't want a rule change?

PPD rule needs to go back to 1 ship with PPD. Period.

As for your lame attempt at exposing our 'awesome firepower'... consider what you would counter with at that BPV....

CCZ, CAZ, CAZ

4 PPD, 6 PlasS, 18 PlasI, 24 Ph1, 18 ph3.

And the power to run at 31 all day tossing those S torps over your shoulder.

So the Hornets are NEVER gonna get in firing range b/c their max spd is 27.

Anyways, I need a laugh, so tell me. What Hydran LIGHT dread is gonna take on a CCZ without fighters?

ok,what happened here ,lol.
The ship combo u describe above CCZ, CAZ, CAZ  (4 PPD, 6 PlasS, 18 PlasI, 24 Ph1, 18 ph3) are late era ships and not mid.  
The hydran ship combo though  i took for example is in mid era.(for late era cheese hydran ship combo please check Diehard post lol)
I guess it looked too good (or too cheese) for mid  ah??  
As for the ship combo with CCZ CAZ CAZ(which isnot the appropriate) in late era u can bring more than 20hornet 3 !!! and they can run 31

Its funny u said u need a laugh but on the contrary i  


Finally u claimed i dont want a rule changed.But there isnt any legal tactics rules so they can be changed to illegal in these league.
This shuttle tactic issue  is something the majority of the fleets votes , that r gonna participate in next cycle , will decide.
And its exactly what happened with the PPD rule change for the current cycle.
This way is what all fleets agreed to handle rules changes.

[Kroma BaSyl]

And its exactly what happened with the PPD rule change for the current cycle.
This way is what all fleets agreed to handle rules changes.

Exactly, and that is the real point of this thread. Voting on the PPD issue for next cycle, now that the current rule has been shown inadequet.