Topic: The PPD Rule

[Kroma BaSyl]

All im saying is if u havent found a tactic or u dont have the skill yet to overcome ISC ships that might have  lead u to the conclusion that  "ISC are designed to be better" ,which to my opinion is definetely wrong.

Well the source (SFB) and the ship specs disagree with you. As Corb pointed out the BPVs of your ships largely reflect the superiority on a class by class basis. ISC like all races matchup better against some races (Gorn or Rom) than others (Hydran), which is typical. For the most part though they tend to come out ahead when compared to most races given their long and short range punch.

[Mutilator]

This all seems counter productive. Threads like this have driven many players away over the years. Let's keep the threads civil and the ball busting for the battlefields. Perhaps a new thread with a couple of proposals. Get one fleet member to give their fleets stand on the issue and the majority become the rule for at least our initial cycle. It could certainly be looked at for fairness for any cycles that may follow it.

I concur with all that the X2 ships should be left out of the mix. If we go with Corbomite's idea perhaps we will have to adjust high end BPV upward to get more variety in for those races. Speaking as a Lyran that's just a bad idea  but something we could live with for a cycle to see if it would be required.

My personal feeling would be 4 PPD's between three ships. As many have pointed out already the TBPV should help limit the amount of PPDs the ISC could get anyway. As many have stated those ships tend to cost more anyway. Believe me I know the pain of having a hull class below for the same BPV. It's just a cross we Lyrans have to bear.  

[Corbomite]

Hydrans are, by nature, one of the ISC's hardest foes. They also can have a hard time with good Lyrans.

I never said they were unstopable. Just ask Kroma how many times I've told people to learn some tactics. I can stop ISC ships just fine, especially with another ISC ship, but I don't want to debate that. The discussion here is whether the PPD needs to be on a leash and how best to make it fair.


EDIT:

You can get four PPD's for 284 (254 if you can master the DN). Most of the BPV's I saw could accomodate that if you wanted them that bad.

[Kroma BaSyl]

Just ask Kroma how many times I've told people to learn some tactics.

Of course he always seems to be typing that in chat just before blowing up my G-BCH up in his CCZ. 

[Slider]

Guys

I would respectfully suggest you just ignore Phaser & Co. They had their chance to bringit, against SoV and they didnt. Now they come here and show their teeth completely out of disdane and disrespect for the people of this community. Huge Egos on that team, I think they are making up for small Peepees, if you know what i mean.

Respectfully submitted.

*Lights Match, lets it drop*

[KBF-Butcher]

The only one i see here showing disrespect for the people of this community is obvious u Legendary by insulting phaser, ISC and posting to people to go die.All of these in your first 2 posts in the PBA forum.Its obvious this is the only thing u r capable to offer in this new league.
Well i guess in these forums anyone can post what ever he likes! So what would be your 3rd post Legendary???
Let me guess any racial remarks???

[Slider]

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I just hate jerks that badmouth leagues my friends run like Morph did, or loud mouth panzy pilots like Phaser who hides behind his fleets skirt. Oh wait when I challenged his fleet he got an instant case of amnesia.

Now hes in here doing the same crap....makeing challenges, talking about balls he obviously lacks.

Why are you here challenging people who are nice enough to invite you to have space in their forums...Sorry Butcher Im not sure my comments are intended at you as a player...however your "leader" needs to check his ego at the door.

[KHH Jakle]

The discussion here is whether the PPD needs to be on a leash and how best to make it fair.

The PPD's will have a leash - The Rule is already there.  You all just need to determine what exactly it is.  PBR v 1.03 (which also includes a change to Fast Cruisers) is simply waiting for this to be defined.

Mut - you might want to consider taking what is useful from this thread (I think there are 3 different concepts - Jakle's original, Phaser's and Corbo's) and making a new one.  If you don't do it, I will at some point...but I'd rather somebody else do it.

Let everybody bitch and rant about it in here - but simply post their preference in the new thread.

Vote early and often

[Toast]

I dont know were or who or how the pissin match started but it outta stop, to many post to scroll threw, i think us gz refugees need to tone it down were guest here on this site and some of the post i have skimmed threw dont look good, we may turn away some d.net players who may wanna try this pbr stuff out with us, and they should feel welcome to walk in not feel like there walking into ww3, not that i didn't almost choke on my beer laughing at sliders pee pee comment (u still call it Ur pee pee man???) LMFAO..............ANYWAYS CHEERS!!!!!!!

[2Hot2Handle]

Dude have you meet Legendary ??????

It is just a pee pee u know as in wee wee pee pee.

Green is also known for premature droneing !!!!!!!!

Payne still has plasma dreams .....

Ronin on the other hand is rather old and his plasma launcher just doesnt work like it used to.

 

Oh as so no one misunderstands all the players mentioned here are my fleet mates and friends and this is strictly a joke. This in no way is meant to slander bash or demean any or all involved or who are reading this post.

Thank you for your understanding in this matter. =SoV= Legal Team " Here to keep you safe in the shadows"

[FPF-DieHard]

Bump.  After flying ISC for 1/2 a cycle, I believe this can be revisited.

[GDA-Kel]

Bump.  After flying ISC for 1/2 a cycle, I believe this can be revisited.

So you believe the current rule is not balanced?  What other option do you propose in leu of the current 4 PPD max per squadron rule? 

On another note, I hope this is not at all related to your (FPF) handing us (GDA) our lunch in our last match.  In the two games you won, you flew flawlessly and we did not.  From a competitive standpoint, those two games were the Marianas Turkey Shoot all over again.  However, it had as much to do with how both teams flew as what ships were flown IMHO. 

Of course, I do not know how competitive your other matches have been.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

LOL... look at the only undefeated teams.

Our only losses have been to ISC fleets.

SOV won only 1 out of 5 battles at equal BPV. 

And we got lucky on that one.

Another thing that needs to be addressed is the exploitation of a bug.

You have fighters closing in?  No problem, just drop an admin shuttle.  Guess what the fighters go after now?

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

I just learned something new! Bug or tactic though?

[Kroma BaSyl]

I just learned something new! Bug or tactic though?

Tactic. It ain't a bug, just the target priortity.

[FPF-DieHard]

Bump.  After flying ISC for 1/2 a cycle, I believe this can be revisited.

So you believe the current rule is not balanced?  What other option do you propose in leu of the current 4 PPD max per squadron rule? 

On another note, I hope this is not at all related to your (FPF) handing us (GDA) our lunch in our last match.  In the two games you won, you flew flawlessly and we did not.  From a competitive standpoint, those two games were the Marianas Turkey Shoot all over again.  However, it had as much to do with how both teams flew as what ships were flown IMHO. 

Of course, I do not know how competitive your other matches have been.

One PPD ship per 3, last cycle had it right.  The ISC plasma ships are great so anyone bitching about getting nerfed is full of sh*t.  This is escpecially true with many of the new editions in OP+ 4, have you seen the War Cruiser and the CATZ yet?

I flew the CLY in the second battle and I think I scored the most damage on you guys by being a real sneaky bastard with my S-torps. 

645 to 2 internals in the 750 advaced match.  I'm sorry, we're not THAT good 

[FPF-DieHard]

I just learned something new! Bug or tactic though?

Tactic. It ain't a bug, just the target priortity.

Consider it a tactic.  A cheap tactic, but still a tactic.

[Kroma BaSyl]

I just learned something new! Bug or tactic though?

Tactic. It ain't a bug, just the target priortity.

Consider it a tactic.  A cheap tactic, but still a tactic.

Yes a tacky tactic, kind of like any tactic that involves launching of fighters. <snicker>

[FPF-Bach]

I just learned something new! Bug or tactic though?

Tactic. It ain't a bug, just the target priortity.

Consider it a tactic.  A cheap tactic, but still a tactic.

Kinda like tractoring somebody and pushing them off the map, a legal tactic.

[FPF-Bach]

LOL... look at the only undefeated teams.

Our only losses have been to ISC fleets.

SOV won only 1 out of 5 battles at equal BPV. 

And we got lucky on that one.

Another thing that needs to be addressed is the exploitation of a bug.

You have fighters closing in?  No problem, just drop an admin shuttle.  Guess what the fighters go after now?

As far as our matches I wouldn't consider PPD a deciding factor at all as you can't shoot PPD to the rear and we were being chased for the most part.