Topic: J'inn's Latest Wacky Server Idea

[KAT J'inn]

I?m thinking about a server.   A major one.

It would use much of what we have done for the General War Series.   Tell me what you think.


I.   Map

Huge.  As big as a server can handle without have a hemorrhage.
It would be the General War map.

II.  Races

All of of them with standard alliances.

III.  Run time.

4 - 8 weeks.  I?m flexible here.

IV.  Order of Battle (ships)

Same as for GW3 for BCHs and larger.  Based mainly on planets.

However, all speciality ships and conversions would be effected too.  Those would be based on the number of Star Bases available.

Thus all but vanilla ships would have some limitation.

V. Order of Battle (empires)

Empires would be restricted as to whom they could attack and when.  This would track with the SFB history of the General War.   For example the ISC would not be able to go offensive until later in the server unless they are attacked first.

This also would restrict a Gorn, for example, from flying all the way over to Lyran space.

VI.  Player Numbers.

Every player could have four accounts.  One for each race on his team.   This would allow a lot of flexibility and prevent any one race from getting overrun too easily just because no one signed up for them.

VII Rms

Just one for each side.   No need for 8 with this set up.

VIII.  Problems?

None really except for the map size.


IX.

Benefits.   Major server.  It could be done with no special ship lists, just OP+.  Fairly easy from the Admin side.   ALL RACES INVOLVED.  (Thus Karnak can stop mooing) <snicker>

[FPF-DieHard]

If you make the map I can handle everything else.   

[Lepton]

Another cool idea, Jinn.   

It would be really cool if the specific theatres of General War would be time triggered similar to the sequence of events in the GW series which I believe you are suggesting.

[el-Karnak]

*Karnak rides in front of the Frog hordes and bang PPDs with the frog front-line on the field of SFB*

"Ride now!! Ride now to Alpha Quadrant!!"

"A red day!!  A wroth day of ruin and slaughter!!"

"Ere the dyna-world's ending!!"

*points sword at the Alpha Quadrant and screams"

"Death!! Death!!"

*frog hordes screams back*

"Death!! Death!!"

*PPDs blasts out*

CHARGE!!  KILL!! MAIM!! DESTROY!!
Trash the Feds!! BBQ the Gorns!!  Stomp the Roms!!  Road-kill the Kzin!!


Well, umm...yes, old top. I do believe your suggestion does indeed have some merit and perhaps may even be worth considering.

CHARGE!!  KILL!! MAIM!! DESTROY!!
Squish the Hydrans!!  Body-slam the Klinks!!  Zap the Lyrans!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Commander Maxillius]

Good one J'inn!!  Sounds like muder to manage though.  If someone could possibly cover the OOB/R through coding, or possibly making all races allied to the one that's not supposed to be in the war yet, and that race allied to everyone else, but change one slightly before the other so that by all appearances one side started that part of the war.

I don't know if my idea is clear, so lemme know if you can see it.

[el-Karnak]

Empires would be restricted as to whom they could attack and when.  This would track with the SFB history of the General War.   For example the ISC would not be able to go offensive until later in the server unless they are attacked first.

This also would restrict a Gorn, for example, from flying all the way over to Lyran space.

Until the time comes for the B-I-G F-R-O-G P-U-S-H, the ISC will need lotsa neutral hexes between them and the Gornos/Romeos to occupy themselves.  It will fit in with the standard pre-invasion ISC doctrine of taking uncontested territory but never letting it go when taken.

[FPF-Jem]

I like it.

[KAT J'inn]

If you make the map I can handle everything else.   

How big of a map is possible without your server screaming for mercy?

[Father Ted]

About bloody time somebody came up with a cool server. I had about given up on D2. 

[KBF-Kurok]

this moght just work.and I have seen some hugfe maps in the old triangle serries of servers. I mean i could litterly take a couple of days to reach your enemy.

[KAT J'inn]

Cool.    However as for big, I don't want it so big that it is silly.   Just big enough so that all empires look like "empires" and not teeny tiny city states.

[el-Karnak]

ISC is almost as large as the Federation.  If you were to rank the empires in terms of size/economic power/fleet size, per SFB lore, it would be:

1)  Federation
2)  ISC
3)  Klingon
There are the top 3 powers. Basically, the super-power class

4)  Romulan
5)  Lyrans
6)  Kzinti
These are the middle powers. If Lyrans were more organized they could almost challenge the Romulans and could certainly take care of the Kzin.  Romulans basically go all-out with modular fleet in an effort to catch up with the Klingons but fall far short.

7)  Hydrans
8 )  Gorns
These are the small powers.  They won't last long without a big sugar-daddy ally to back them up (ie. Fed ally with Gorns, Hydrans did not co-ordinate with the Kzin so they went down).

[GDA-S'Cipio]

Empires would be restricted as to whom they could attack and when.  This would track with the SFB history of the General War.   For example the ISC would not be able to go offensive until later in the server unless they are attacked first.

This also would restrict a Gorn, for example, from flying all the way over to Lyran space.

Until the time comes for the B-I-G F-R-O-G P-U-S-H,

Big Frog push?  You do realize that under the historical General War setting outlined by J'inn, the ISC won't be released until the war (and the server) is over!



<cue ironic torture theme music>

-S'Cipio the spoilsport

[KBF-WillWeasel]

Empires would be restricted as to whom they could attack and when.  This would track with the SFB history of the General War.   For example the ISC would not be able to go offensive until later in the server unless they are attacked first.

This also would restrict a Gorn, for example, from flying all the way over to Lyran space.

Until the time comes for the B-I-G F-R-O-G P-U-S-H,

Big Frog push?  You do realize that under the historical General War setting outlined by J'inn, the ISC won't be released until the war (and the server) is over!



<cue ironic torture theme music>

-S'Cipio the spoilsport

And such Karnaks's head explodes 

[KAT J'inn]

Empires would be restricted as to whom they could attack and when.  This would track with the SFB history of the General War.   For example the ISC would not be able to go offensive until later in the server unless they are attacked first.

This also would restrict a Gorn, for example, from flying all the way over to Lyran space.

Until the time comes for the B-I-G F-R-O-G P-U-S-H,

Big Frog push?  You do realize that under the historical General War setting outlined by J'inn, the ISC won't be released until the war (and the server) is over!



<cue ironic torture theme music>

-S'Cipio the spoilsport

BWHAHHAHAHHAGHAHHAAAA!!!   <snort>

I've out bastarded myself!

[KAT J'inn]

But seriously . . . .

I was going to use a little <cough> creative license.

<cough>


<battens door against expected horde of SFB purists>

[FPF-DieHard]

If you make the map I can handle everything else.   

How big of a map is possible without your server screaming for mercy?

Knock yourself out, I love to make things scream for mercy.

[Hexx]

I thought it was more of a howl DH?

[Kroma BaSyl]

I thought it was more of a howl DH?

Or a bark.

[el-Karnak]

Empires would be restricted as to whom they could attack and when.  This would track with the SFB history of the General War.   For example the ISC would not be able to go offensive until later in the server unless they are attacked first.

This also would restrict a Gorn, for example, from flying all the way over to Lyran space.

Until the time comes for the B-I-G F-R-O-G P-U-S-H,

Big Frog push?  You do realize that under the historical General War setting outlined by J'inn, the ISC won't be released until the war (and the server) is over!



<cue ironic torture theme music>

-S'Cipio the spoilsport

BWHAHHAHAHHAGHAHHAAAA!!!   <snort>

I've out bastarded myself!

Oh, really?  Who's your mission pack daddy?  Creative licence is good, very good. *snicker*

As I was saying. The ISC will start the B-I-G F-R-O-G P-U-S-H in 2273.  The Gorns will be forced to stand or die in PvP with ISC ships. No running away until PFTs come out. The Roms and Klingons will squish the Gorns.  Then we make the Fed howl and clean up whatever's left.

I'm sure that I'm forgetting something...Oh yeah, the moving asteroid will have homing beacons on everyone's DNs, CVAs and BCVs.

Oooh!! Mesa plenty bad bombad Froggie.

Seriously though, whatever works out to bring in the ISC at reasonable juncture in the war is good.  BTW, did I mention 2273? Early Middle Era? 

So, this dyna starts tonite, right?   

[Green]

Great idea J'inn.

[Hexx]

Great idea J'inn.

<sigh>

Do you EVER stop kissing his furry white a**??

Of course it's a great idea, but if people keep telling him that he'll come to expect it.

I say keep him all beat and downtrodden, that way he'll keep striving for bigger and better server ideas to please us. 

[Green]

Great post Hexx.

[Hexx]

It was, wasn't it?

I really ought to think of having many of my posts here preserved somehow for posterity
Perhaps a collection entitled "The Wit and Wisdom of Hexx". Perhaps some sort of package deal
where you buy the book and get a DVD featuring all my greatest PvP victories,
How may battles can you fit onto a DvD anyway?

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Greatest PvP victories?

[Green]

You can fit a lot of battle films on a DVD.  But why waste the money.  You should use a storage medium that provides enough data space to meet your needs.  Might I suggest ....

[Hexx]

You can fit a lot of battle films on a DVD.  But why waste the money.  You should use a storage medium that provides enough data space to meet your needs.  Might I suggest ....

........ of all the replies I envisioned I never thought anyone would drag one of those up
  

[Hexx]

Greatest PvP victories?

Well I beat Chuut once....

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

OMG, Green, that is hilarious.

I now need to go clean the soda off my monitor.....

[Farfarer]

Can it be three way, with the ISC enemy of everyone until the Evil Jinn decides who is losing at 2273 or when ever and changes the alliance settings to bring ISC in on the losing side?

Or just leave them enemies to all?

[FPF-DieHard]

Can it be three way, with the ISC enemy of everyone until the Evil Jinn decides who is losing at 2273 or when ever and changes the alliance settings to bring ISC in on the losing side?

Or just leave them enemies to all?

ARRRGGHHHH!!!!   Anyone know how to change alliances AFTER the server starts?   it's not a bad idea though.

[Hexx]

What if you made it more complicated and broke it down by race?
ie ISC fights coaltion and Alliance until 2273
in 2273 look at size and power of Empires, take the wekest (say Hydrans and Roms) have them join the ISC and fight the three way.
Or have the Empires rearranged in 2273 (any reason we've chosen this date btw?) to present a "United Front"
ie Have the Klingons + allies, Feds+ allies vs ISC, 2273 hits have hte Klingons and Feds (obviously 2 biggest Empires) plus 2 of the lesser powers form one power block.
ISC would pick up remaining smaller powers, plus thse pilots who refuse to fly with Feds/Klingons/or me.

[Sethan]

Sounds like a hoot, J'inn.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Greatest PvP victories?

Well I beat Chuut once....

Must have been the time you were my wingman......

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Have to think a little more before deciding whether or not I like the idea.

One thing is for sure, more than 6 weeks and I aint going there, pehaps more than 4.

Standard Alliances again though?  yawn, seems like the best servers have all been with different than standard alliances, but thats just my personal opinion.

Big map is a draw however, and a limit on specialty ships is too.  Econ being based on SFB history a big downer on the other hand.  Why not change it up and make the Feds and Klingons the minor powers for a change and allow the smaller races their due.  Imagine a Gorn Confederation or a Lyran Star Empire with the huge econs.  Realease your creative impulses past the Gene Roddenberry/SFB limits.   Just food for thought.

[Capt Jeff]

Can it be three way, with the ISC enemy of everyone until the Evil Jinn decides who is losing at 2273 or when ever and changes the alliance settings to bring ISC in on the losing side?

Or just leave them enemies to all?

ARRRGGHHHH!!!!   Anyone know how to change alliances AFTER the server starts?   it's not a bad idea though.

Would require server settings changes as well as a DB edit.   I know in the past that BBJones, Darkelf, Fluf, and possibly Tracey knew how to do it (Sorry if I forgot someone else that might).


PS.   Don't you remember CW5?     Every time a race was "Pacified", their alliance was switched to the side with the ISC/Klingons.

[Bonk]

V. Order of Battle (empires)

Empires would be restricted as to whom they could attack and when.  This would track with the SFB history of the General War.   For example the ISC would not be able to go offensive until later in the server unless they are attacked first.

This also would restrict a Gorn, for example, from flying all the way over to Lyran space.

VI.  Player Numbers.

Every player could have four accounts.  One for each race on his team.   This would allow a lot of flexibility and prevent any one race from getting overrun too easily just because no one signed up for them.

I quite like V and VI, kinda like just running the GW series all on one server... would save a lot of work and provide continuity. I think you should consider running it longer than 8 weeks.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

8 weeks might make sense from the grand scale of such a server, but I would think that for anyone that has a family or such other RL responsibilities, anything more than 4 weeks long is asking for too much if you want steady numbers and interest.

[GDA-S'Cipio]

Can it be three way, with the ISC enemy of everyone until the Evil Jinn decides who is losing at 2273 or when ever and changes the alliance settings to bring ISC in on the losing side?

Or just leave them enemies to all?

ARRRGGHHHH!!!!   Anyone know how to change alliances AFTER the server starts?   it's not a bad idea though.

It's not that hard to do it directly.  It just requires a hexedit on the DB.  I did it for Four Powers War.  I'd just have to find my DB map again to tell you how to do it.

It's even easier if you use Evil Daves DB editor, though I learned during Squadron Commander that sometimes the editor works, and sometimes it doesn't.  (Sometimes it found a mismatch error in the number of objects in the DB, and thus wouldn't let me edit.  But the DB did keep running, and sometimes I could edit.  Which is how I changed the DV in a couple of hexs.)

-S'Cipio

[el-Karnak]

Can it be three way, with the ISC enemy of everyone until the Evil Jinn decides who is losing at 2273 or when ever and changes the alliance settings to bring ISC in on the losing side?

That sounds cool.

[FPF-AJTK]

ISC vs everyone until 2273, then everyone against ISC after 2273?


Oh, since were taking artistic lic with the ISC arrival, can we do the same with the Andros? (Just an idea to keep Karnak in his place) 

[el-Karnak]

ISC vs everyone until 2273, then everyone against ISC after 2273?


Oh, since were taking artistic lic with the ISC arrival, can we do the same with the Andros? (Just an idea to keep Karnak in his place) 

We could bring in 500 sp. or higher *snicker* warp-tacing Andros. in 2283?

We would need one empire to give up their slot to the Andros.  Just take the worst performing empire and let the Andros take over. Then bring it on.

[FPF-DieHard]

Big map is a draw however, and a limit on specialty ships is too.  Econ being based on SFB history a big downer on the other hand.  Why not change it up and make the Feds and Klingons the minor powers for a change and allow the smaller races their due.  Imagine a Gorn Confederation or a Lyran Star Empire with the huge econs.  Realease your creative impulses past the Gene Roddenberry/SFB limits.   Just food for thought.

Sounds like a snorer to me.  *Yawn*

We have the least mis-matches with traditional alliances.   The GW is the best scenario for a long extended war.  Why fix what ain't broken?

[KAT J'inn]

<gets out the K.I.S.S. shotgun and starts shooting>

Although I do like some of the ideas. 

One draw back that I see is with such a large map there won't be instant PvP.  But I can live with that <=== Note ironic double entendre.

[Capt Jeff]

.  But I can live with that <=== Note ironic double entendre.

Not exactly 


What happens if you are allied to:

Maverick in a planet assault.
Dizzy in a asteroid field.
Chuut with a full load of T-Bombs.
Errr.....Trying to keep Hexx alive in a AI mission....
Some drunk bastard singing over voice comms.
Kroma shows you under his tutu and you die from the waffling  " Lust Scent"  from underneath.

Get to the front as soon as you can!   

[Hexx]

HEY!!!


JEFF YOU %$@&^@#(*!  I'VE ONLY DIED ONCE AGAINST AI!!!
(well that anyone can prove.. not counting Bonks serer..nasty nsaty things out there)

[Sethan]

Oh, since were taking artistic lic with the ISC arrival, can we do the same with the Andros? (Just an idea to keep Karnak in his place) 

To do that, have the Andros show up in 2265 in ISC space.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Big map is a draw however, and a limit on specialty ships is too.  Econ being based on SFB history a big downer on the other hand.  Why not change it up and make the Feds and Klingons the minor powers for a change and allow the smaller races their due.  Imagine a Gorn Confederation or a Lyran Star Empire with the huge econs.  Realease your creative impulses past the Gene Roddenberry/SFB limits.   Just food for thought.

Sounds like a snorer to me.  *Yawn*

Whats wrong with switching up which races have the big econs?  I'm sure the traditionally higher player numbers of the Feds and Klinks would bring them to par with Gorn and the Lyrans even if those races started ahead.

We have the least mis-matches with traditional alliances.   The GW is the best scenario for a long extended war.  Why fix what ain't broken?

Variety, boredom and more participation possibly.  Another OOB general war traditional alliance serverr has very limited appeal to me personally, but just my personal opinion.  If people want to fight the same server over and over and over, more power to them,  go with the majority if thats where they stand.  I got ZERO problem with that,  I'll just be playing something else.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

The biggest problem is the lack of Federation players over the past few 'Fed' based servers.

[likkerpig]

I suggest someone start a serious/semi-serious server soon.
I drink far less when there isn't one.
Problems:
My liver stops hurting. The pain lets me know I am alive.
I loose weight. Hard to call yourself likkerpig if you look anorexic.
I am forced to socialize. Might even end up with one of them "freinds". Oy, the time wasted there.
The Likkerstores start telemarketing. Daily calls about Colt .45 being on sale, come back please!
The local distillery is thinking of laying off workers... they had a sales spike during GW3 and Squadron Commander and hired more staff.
Plus:
There hasn't been an "i'm the greatest" thread from Dizzy in a long time.
I owe Chuut big time.
Gorn suck! Especially Kroma! (don't expect a lot of arguement on that one).

[likkerpig]

Oh, forgot this one:
I get bored and screw with people.
WT banned me from his forums in 3 posts.... I think I set a record!

[Sethan]

Gorn suck! Especially Kroma! (don't expect a lot of arguement on that one).

erm, I wouldn't know. You speak from personal experience perhaps?

[GDA-S'Cipio]

Gorn suck! Especially Kroma! (don't expect a lot of arguement on that one).

It seems some have been getting too familiar with Likker.  Right!  I can see that I'm going to have to crack down with some real discipline in the GDA forums.

Every Gorn repeat after me:  "I will not suck on the suckling Pig."

-S'Cipio the stern

[likkerpig]

Every Gorn repeat after me:  "I will suck on the well endowed Pig."

-S'Cipio the stern

Ah, words to live by.
Send over the Gorn chicks would ya? Ya know, the green skinned hotties from Enterprise.
(Best damn series since DS9, bite me trekkies!)

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

I suggest someone start a serious/semi-serious server soon.
I drink far less when there isn't one.
Problems:
My liver stops hurting. The pain lets me know I am alive.
I loose weight. Hard to call yourself likkerpig if you look anorexic.
I am forced to socialize. Might even end up with one of them "freinds". Oy, the time wasted there.
The Likkerstores start telemarketing. Daily calls about Colt .45 being on sale, come back please!
The local distillery is thinking of laying off workers... they had a sales spike during GW3 and Squadron Commander and hired more staff.
Plus:
There hasn't been an "i'm the greatest" thread from Dizzy in a long time.
I owe Chuut big time.
Gorn suck! Especially Kroma! (don't expect a lot of arguement on that one).

Bonk's server is up now....look for me on the Kzin superhighway, you know the one passing right by Lyra

[GDA-S'Cipio]

Ah, words to live by.
Send over the Gorn chicks would ya? Ya know, the green skinned hotties from Enterprise.
(Best damn series since DS9, bite me trekkies!)

She's ready for your love, Likker.  Now be a gentleman.  And don't mind all the teeth.







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-I am GDA-S'Cipio, and I approve of this message

[Kroma BaSyl]

Variety, boredom and more participation possibly. 

Unlikely, but anything is possible. I am all for non-traditional alliances, but "anything goes" servers will not draw more people, maybe a few different ones, but most likely less in total.

Kroma,

PS, Likker, in your dreams, got to be at least a mouthful.

[KAT J'inn]

Map . . .  First draft DONE.      130 x 60   or so.

ISC figured out completely with special rules.

Tholians and LDR playable (limited) and included.

Draft of rules.  DONE

WYN . . .  included. (Not playable)

2268 - Circa 2293.  Two real life days per game year.

Build cycles likely to be every game year.

Still working.

[el-Karnak]

Variety, boredom and more participation possibly. 

Unlikely, but anything is possible. I am all for non-traditional alliances, but "anything goes" servers will not draw more people, maybe a few different ones, but most likely less in total.

Kroma,

Yeah, what he/she/it said.   Everytime there's a non-traditional alliance dyna going on, there's a whole ream-load of flaming going on due to unexpected ship imbalances when SFB un-natural alliances are made.  Stay as close to SFB as you can and good things will happen:

What's the most popular dynaverse series this year that slam-dunks the other dynas? I am talking cold-hard player participation numbers that are consistently out-performing other dynas. Where the numbers logged on in the last couple of days for the server is near the number logged on the first couple of days for the server.  It's the GW series that sticks close to SFB.  It follows that an all-race GW server will perform just as well. The only race that you don't have to worry too much about un-natural SFB alliances is the ISC. They are built to matchup with everyone; especially the plasma races.  The other races are not.  So, keep the SFB-ness in the dyna.  That's what I do with the EEK misison packs, as much as I can.

Wesssa are the Frogs, and wessa muy, muy approve this bombad message, okey-dey!!  

[FPF-DieHard]

Yeah, what he/she/it said.   Everytime there's a non-traditional alliance dyna going on, there's a whole ream-load of flaming going on due to unexpected ship imbalances when SFB un-natural alliances are made.  Stay as close to SFB as you can and good things will happen:

This can be handled if the admin keeps a strong pimp-hand and isn't afraid to tell people "no."

[el-Karnak]

Yeah, what he/she/it said.   Everytime there's a non-traditional alliance dyna going on, there's a whole ream-load of flaming going on due to unexpected ship imbalances when SFB un-natural alliances are made.  Stay as close to SFB as you can and good things will happen:

This can be handled if the admin keeps a strong pimp-hand and isn't afraid to tell people "no."

I think this admin. is hiding in the FBI Witness Protection program. *snicker*

[likkerpig]

PS, Likker, in your dreams, got to be at least a mouthful.

Snicker...
Your gag reflex begs to differ...

Send me her number Scipio, I like the nail polish...

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

What's the most popular dynaverse series this year that slam-dunks the other dynas?

That would be Storm Season II, it even had ISC.....

[el-Karnak]

What's the most popular dynaverse series this year that slam-dunks the other dynas?

That would be Storm Season II, it even had ISC.....

This is year 2004 AD.  SS2 was played in Y2003. 

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

What's the most popular dynaverse series this year that slam-dunks the other dynas?

That would be Storm Season II, it even had ISC.....

This is year 2004 AD.  SS2 was played in Y2003. 

But in the last 365 days....

If you go by the calander year however the GW series was the only series played this year.....

But there is no denying the popularity of the GW series, must be the total lack of frogs in it......

<Snicker>

[el-Karnak]

What's the most popular dynaverse series this year that slam-dunks the other dynas?

That would be Storm Season II, it even had ISC.....

This is year 2004 AD.  SS2 was played in Y2003. 

But in the last 365 days....

If you go by the calander year however the GW series was the only series played this year.....

But there is no denying the popularity of the GW series, must be the total lack of frogs in it......

<Snicker>

You know...this means W-A-R!!

 ISC PACIFICATION WAR!!

[Commander Maxillius]

Ya know, Karnak, why don't you put up your own server?  ISC civil war.  According to SFB lore (or Rat Boy, I forget where I read it) after the War of Pacification failed (in their eyes), the non-violent races of the ISC split off and the rest formed what was called the ISC Remnant.  However, the 3 remaining races didn't allow the others to go peacefully.

Everyone else is doing a civil war server, but you can say yours will be the only one with X-ships