Topic: early tng medium cruiser (Read 6235 times)

dogfighter · « **on:** October 24, 2004, 11:18:36 am »

must be 4 years ago when i send this to ASDB on bernd schneiders www.ex-astris-scientia.org
thought it was lost but i found it on www.treknology.org
it was planed as an alternative design for the tmp era merced class. its a mix of conny refit,excelsior and ambassador elements.

here it is - its quit rough wich is because it was done in ms paint.

ed

Wolfsglen · « **Reply #1 on:** October 24, 2004, 11:26:42 am »

Nice! Works well as a sort-of early precursor to the New Orleans class (one of my favs for some reason)

E_Look · « **Reply #2 on:** October 24, 2004, 11:27:52 am »

Wow! You did all this in MS Paint?!!

dogfighter · « **Reply #3 on:** October 24, 2004, 11:35:17 am »

i had no other programm when i made this ship. ms paint is quit good for basic shapes and its easy to handle.
all of my retextures were mostly done in mspaint too(firehawk, ulysses, etc).

ed

Sapharite · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2004, 04:07:53 pm »

Quote from: Wolfsglen on October 24, 2004, 11:26:42 am

Nice! Works well as a sort-of early precursor to the New Orleans class (one of my favs for some reason)

I am sorry for disagreeing with you but the precursor or predecessor for New Orleans class was a Springfield class

But it doesn't matter it really look so...

It may be an early "The lost era" design. Yeah create her please...

Greenvalv · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2004, 04:42:11 pm »

Can't wait for it!

MSPaint, WOW, now that's talent!!

S33K100 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 24, 2004, 07:35:28 pm »

Quote from: Lord de Seis on October 24, 2004, 04:07:53 pm

Quote from: Wolfsglen on October 24, 2004, 11:26:42 am
Nice! Works well as a sort-of early precursor to the New Orleans class (one of my favs for some reason)

I am sorry for disagreeing with you but the precursor or predecessor for New Orleans class was a Springfield class But it doesn't matter it really look so... It may be an early "The lost era" design. Yeah create her please...

Which is odd because the Springfield and New Orleans are both from the same era, and the Springfield has much higher registries suggesting it is infact a newer ship. Also the two have compleeeetely different shapes, this at least actually looks the same shape as a New Orleans.

Looks very nice and I'll start hiring the bolivian assasination squad if somebody doesn't make it soon (The New Statesman injoke, pay no heed).

Sapharite · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2004, 06:43:33 am »

You must read more about those ships. Sprignfield is an older design which carries older warp drive. She was abandoned for production because of one defetc. Her connection pylons to her under pod were under the stress while in WARP. NO class was commissioned later and was a test bed for Galaxy like warp drive. That is why her engines are longer then galaxies in comparison. NO had a teething troubles with her warp coils. Springfield was indirect predecessor to NO which later carried some of Springfields duties

A Call for Duty Website:

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The New Orleans Class Development Project began in 2334 with the intent of expanding upon the successful Springfield-class design and ushering in a new era of warp propulsion originally conceived for the Transwarp project. While falling far short of the expected speeds that the Transwarp project promised, new advances in warp geometry allowed computer simulations to postulate that speeds in excess of Warp 9.2 were possible, greatly improving over the Warp 8.9 limit that the Springfield suffered. While retaining the familiar saucer section of the Springfield, the most noticeable addition to the New Orleans spaceframe is the engineering section and redesigned warp nacelles. Coupled with a revolutionary isolinear computer system and the unique ability to be equipped with mission-specific pods, the New Orleans quickly became a favorite during the mid-24th Century.

Comission dates:
Springfield - 2352-2354
New Orleans - 2364-present

Dimensions:
Springfield
Length : 289 m
Beam : 487 m
Height : 76 m
Decks : 10

New Orleans
Length : 350 m
Beam : 290 m
Height : 83 m
Decks : 19

Images:
Springfield

New Orleans

Reference:
http://www.ditl.org/
http://techspecs.acalltoduty.com/neworleans.html
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/

Starforce2 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2004, 06:47:20 am »

What would we do without geeks?

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2004, 06:54:29 am »

Personally I dont give a frig about any of the tech stuff right now,somebody had to build this one.It screams Lost Era to me.Great work !!!!!

-MP

Starforce2 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2004, 07:24:13 am »

I'll distribute this on BCU and a few other places, see if there are any takers.

S33K100 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2004, 07:47:08 am »

Quote from: Lord de Seis on October 25, 2004, 06:43:33 am

You must read more about those ships. Sprignfield is an older design which carries older warp drive. She was abandoned for production because of one defetc. Her connection pylons to her under pod were under the stress while in WARP. NO class was commissioned later and was a test bed for Galaxy like warp drive. That is why her engines are longer then galaxies in comparison. NO had a teething troubles with her warp coils. Springfield was indirect predecessor to NO which later carried some of Springfields duties

Reference:
http://www.ditl.org/

Aah, the incomprehensible pile of complete and utter bollocks that is DITL.org - what you just quoted is pure speculation pulled out of that site author's arse. The Springfield doesn't even have that pod on the underside - that was assumed from a single badly scanned, printed, photocopied, scanned again, colourised photo from a decade old slideshow and the guy who built the Springfield admitted the pod was just stuck on to make the ship rest properly on the coffe cup they put it on

the New Orleans and Springfield are both clearly from the same era along with the Cheyenne and the Challenger, they are all derivatives of the Galaxy design program from the 2350s and 2360s.

The 'A Call for Duty' site also seem to be fans of pulling stuff out of their proverbial orifices as transwarp was a failed experiment with the Excelsior class over half a centruy before the Springfield class was even designed.

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There seems to be a strange secondary hull between the saucer and the TNG coffee cup in the side view. This could be a pod similar to that of the Oberth, or just something attached to the model with adhesive tape - maybe to stabilize it to take a better photo. Ed Miarecki recently confirmed that he actually added such a hull to the model

from the EAS article on the Springfield:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/springfield.htm

Also take a look at the studio model:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/wolf359/springfield-cheyenne-okuda.jpg

I dunno about you but I see no secondary hull at all, the model's shadow is way to close to the model and it completely disappears a fair bit behind the side of the saucer suggesting that it is resting directly on the table, on the site they reckon it was removed just for this photo but I see no reason why.

P.S. this has gotten way off topic - someone make that Merced!

Dizzy · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2004, 08:23:46 am »

Thats fantastic!

Sapharite · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2004, 01:41:45 pm »

At least Marauth you should believe in that what I said because you do not have a reasonable source at all

What I did was to gather some information about not cannon ships. if you need another reasonable source check this:

http://www.asdb.net/asdb/docs/sds/neworleans.pdf
http://www.jimkirk.50megs.com/tech.htm

This was taken form

http://www.asdb.net/

As you see a Springfield class has a older tech than the NO class

Hehehehehe

S33K100 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2004, 03:26:55 pm »

Quote from: Lord de Seis on October 25, 2004, 01:41:45 pm

At least Marauth you should believe in that what I said because you do not have a reasonable source at all What I did was to gather some information about not cannon ships. if you need another reasonable source check this:

http://www.asdb.net/asdb/docs/sds/neworleans.pdf
http://www.jimkirk.50megs.com/tech.htm

This was taken form

http://www.asdb.net/

As you see a Springfield class has a older tech than the NO class Hehehehehe

Don't pull that kind of **** on me, all the sources you have posted are complete fan speculation - NO specs exist for either ship, ANY specs you come up with will always be non-canon speculation; these are not fan designed ships, they're canon, from the show and so no fan is entitled to say 'these are official specs' because they never will be.

I don't really need a 'reasonable source' because you don't have one yet - come back when Ed Miarecki or Mike Okuda tells you the specs k?

P.S. it's 'canon', a cannon is a big metal thing that fires shot, hasn't been used in a long time.

P.P.S. once again - this is way off-topic.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #15 on:** October 25, 2004, 09:52:52 pm »

Not that it really matters because I WANT HIS SHIP BUILT PLEASE, but I have 2 models of the Springfiel.One with pod and one without.Ya can never have 2 many ships I always say.
-MP

Starforce2 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 26, 2004, 12:28:10 am »

got someone to make it. He says he may do something slightly different with the neck or something, says the drawing is inconsistant in one spot or something...forgot just how he put it, and that it might be a tad high poly. He likes it and says he'll do it. Just need someone to texture when the mesh is finished, he can't texture. There is another model he just finished, doing a texture contest, whoever can make it look the best gets their textures released witht the completed model, and I sugegsted he come here and show it, so, maybe he'll drop by. I wont ruin the surprise...it's an awsome model...

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #17 on:** October 26, 2004, 05:25:03 am »

LOL ya think..............turns out quite a bit more than just those 2 .Always willing to share.

-MP

Sapharite · « **Reply #18 on:** October 26, 2004, 07:41:18 am »

Yes she is a nice ship and a state of art if she was done in MS Paint.

I agree she should be a test bed for a Pre-Ambassador class warp drive

BTW Marauth You can't still say that Springfield and NO has the same Registry numbers because Michael Okuda and Paramount didn't say that. Springfield was not shown on screen at all

Thease are your own pathetic theories. And I know what "cannon" and "canon" this was only misspelled word

. And Marauth one last off-topic suggestion for you:

SoH 'Iv jay'! SoH Qu'vatlh

Take care

Wolfsglen · « **Reply #19 on:** October 26, 2004, 09:07:27 am »

Well the Springfield was shown on screen...although only as a tiny wreck in the Wolf 359 scene. Hardly a good pic and one that sure as hell leads to guesswork in recreating it until the photos of the actual model were released...but it was on screen *technically*.

S33K100 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 26, 2004, 11:42:15 am »

Quote from: Lord de Seis on October 26, 2004, 07:41:18 am

Yes she is a nice ship and a state of art if she was done in MS Paint.
I agree she should be a test bed for a Pre-Ambassador class warp drive

BTW Marauth You can't still say that Springfield and NO has the same Registry numbers because Michael Okuda and Paramount didn't say that. Springfield was not shown on screen at all Thease are your own pathetic theories. And I know what "cannon" and "canon" this was only misspelled word . And Marauth one last off-topic suggestion for you:

SoH 'Iv jay'! SoH Qu'vatlh

Take care

Could you please stop p**sing me off? I can tell it's unintentional but there's just sometihng about your flippant attitude towards my posts combined with that ROFL smiley that is incredibly annoying, at least I've taken you seriously and pointed out why I think your 'theory' is wrong. What I said about the registries is not my 'pathetic theory' but fact, they have registries from the same era and I don't need Okuda or Paramount to say it - we have evidence:

known registries of the New Orleans class (from the photos of the actual studio model and from backstage info or on-screen referrence):

USS Kyushu NCC-65491
USS Renegade NCC-63102
USS Rutledge NCC-57295
USS Thomas Paine NCC-65530

known registries of the Springfield class (from the photos of the actual studio model):

USS Chekov NCC-57302

Going -just- by known registries the New Orleans is from the same era as the Springfield, if not part of a joint developement project. Structurally the two ships share the same saucer, same bridge, some sections of the same secondary hull very similar nacelle pylons, infact the only disparate components are the nacelles and the unidentified pods (three on the New Orleans and 1 - possibly two - on the Springfield). Infact there's no way to judge how advanced the Springfield's nacelles are - they look different to those of the NO and Galaxy but that does not necessarily mean they are not as advanced or possibly even more advanced than those on the NO. You presume they are less advanced I don't know why, maybe because the real model ones were made from marker pens but in that case a K'T'inga has loads of Tiger Tank turrets mounted to the hull.

One last off topic comment to you:

Non capisco Klingonese, per favore, potreste parlare inglese, capite?

You should be able to work that using babel fish - or more likely from context.

Have fun and take care

Sapharite · « **Reply #21 on:** October 26, 2004, 11:56:48 am »

Are you Italian??

Well if yes I'll stop writing more in this post

S33K100 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 26, 2004, 05:58:47 pm »

Quote from: Lord de Seis on October 26, 2004, 11:56:48 am

Are you Italian?? Well if yes I'll stop writing more in this post

Half.

Well, half sicilian, it's different, like comparing a catalan person to a spaniard. I don't see why that should stop you posting here though. LOL.

Anyway I'm done lets get this back on topic: SF2 - what's the good word on the Merced (or whatever it's being called).

Starforce2 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 26, 2004, 07:24:55 pm »

He's not online, hopefully when he comes back online (ttoday?) he'll register.

serverandenforcer · « **Reply #24 on:** October 29, 2004, 08:50:38 pm »

All right guys, I'm the guy that's doing the mesh on this ship. The other model that I just finished is the Apollo Class and it's up for getting textures right now. I'll post pics of what I've done so far with this ship. Since it seems like everybody likes this design please pop in comments and suggestions cause I would hate to have this come out looking kind of bad.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 30, 2004, 02:04:47 am »

Well, I think it's an excelent start. Can't wait to see more. Sever, don't forget to start a thread for the apollo over here too.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #26 on:** October 30, 2004, 10:15:24 am »

Very exciting.This one's gonna be one great ship.
-MP

serverandenforcer · « **Reply #27 on:** November 03, 2004, 02:00:32 am »

A wee bit of an update on the mesh. Sorry that I didn't get much done since the last time i posted. Life is sort of a bleep a dee bleep bleep lately.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #28 on:** November 03, 2004, 02:37:50 am »

That looks great!!!!!!! Very exciting

-MP

wulf111 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 03, 2004, 07:13:46 am »

nice design would look perfect with some Excelsior style nacelles on her

serverandenforcer · « **Reply #30 on:** November 04, 2004, 01:46:44 am »

Well, finally got some siginificant stuff done. I'm almost done... yea!!!! Anyways, just give this ship some teeth and a place to park your shuttle and she should be good to go. poly count is just under 7K. will probably end up around 7500 or 8000 polys when I'm done. Unless I really mis-calculated with how much work i'm going to put into ths. Anyways, some pics to show off.

serverandenforcer · « **Reply #31 on:** November 05, 2004, 12:34:36 am »

I corrected some sizing and proportion issues to the nacells per request from some of the guys at BCU, so here are some pics with those updates.

wulf111 · « **Reply #32 on:** November 05, 2004, 07:18:00 am »

this is looking very good keep it up

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #33 on:** November 05, 2004, 11:48:37 pm »

-MP

serverandenforcer · « **Reply #34 on:** November 08, 2004, 11:36:39 pm »

All right, I think it's completely done. If I missed anything, or messed up on anything, let me know. I'm going to leave the rest of the "small detail stuff" up to texturing. Poly count is at 7475. Enjoy the pics.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #35 on:** November 09, 2004, 05:09:44 am »

Ooooooooooooba doooooooooooba that's hot. Incredible job sir.
-MP

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #36 on:** November 11, 2004, 04:51:51 am »

Yeah let's go for it !!!! I'm with ya F_W

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #37 on:** November 11, 2004, 06:38:37 am »

Quote from: serverandenforcer on November 08, 2004, 11:36:39 pm

All right, I think it's completely done. If I missed anything, or messed up on anything, let me know. I'm going to leave the rest of the "small detail stuff" up to texturing. Poly count is at 7475. Enjoy the pics.

Nice! +1 Karma to you sir.

You got any adversary ships planned? Not much point in having a super sexy Fed ship like this without equally cool looking adversaries. The Mirak/Kzinti are woefully under represented in uber cool ships in this calibur range.

Thanks for sharing your work with us.

KF

Age · « **Reply #38 on:** November 12, 2004, 04:26:08 pm »

This will look great when you are fineshed with it.

markyd · « **Reply #39 on:** November 12, 2004, 04:31:55 pm »

nice job dude

Anthony Scott · « **Reply #40 on:** November 15, 2004, 02:30:10 pm »

Indeed nice work! A worthy addition to our growing collection of excellent models....I am going to have to upgrade my laptop and desktop with additional haddrives to keep up!

Semper Fi, Carry On

serverandenforcer · « **Reply #41 on:** November 22, 2004, 12:57:08 am »

Sorry for being a bit out of the loop here. Been busy with super over-time at my job, getting my car worked on, and getting ready to join the USAF. Have had a lot on my mind lately other than making meshes. Thanks for the comments though. I hope you all like the ship.

F_W, I sent you the file via e-mail if you wanted to texture it. I think that's what you were talking about, right?

serverandenforcer · « **Reply #42 on:** December 21, 2004, 10:47:08 pm »

just as an f.y.i., this model isn't dead. F_W has had to deal with a hell of a time to get this thing converted so that he can texture it. I'm not fully sure, but I think it's now undergoing texturing. Believe me people, I can't wait to see this ship done either. Also, for some of you BC players, this ship will also (hopefully) be made available for BC as well. anyways, did want to leave you guys hanging.

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