Topic: KCW Start Date

[Bonk]

Some want to start, some do not... lets do this democratically. I'll decide based on the numbers for this poll at 7PM EST tonight.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Voted for 1 week, if they haven't gotten it together by then by all means launch, I'm sure origional draft list are available before any trades, so I'd say use those and assign people from second draft thread to the houses randomly or to fill the spots of any who are no longer able to make the server.  That way we at least keep some of the feeling of a draft.

[Dizzy]

I'm sure origional draft list are available before any trades, so I'd say use those and assign people from second draft thread to the houses randomly or to fill the spots of any who are no longer able to make the server. 

Exactly this way would be acceptable to me. Otherwise, postpone indefinitely to wait on tracey and Hooch and whoever. Even so, starting in less than 2 weeks is unnacceptable for me. I'll pass the baton to Kroma and he can pick a #2 if you start any sooner.

[el-Karnak]

This dyna is a bust. Move onto the next one.


PREFERABLY ONE THAT ACTUALLY HAS THE GOD-DAMN #*(#(*# ISC IN IT!!!!!!!!


I sick of playing Fed *they are too polite*, sick of playing Kzin *they eat too much*, sick of playing Klink *they smell*, sick of playing Hydran *they really smell*. Don't even get me started on the Rommies *too arrogant*, Gorns *too lazy*, Lyrans *too crazy*.

I WANT DA FROGS!!!!!!!!! THE ONLY SANE RACE AROUND THESE PARTS!!

You know the things that go *ribbit, ribbit*. And, *AAAAAAHHHHHH!!!* stay away from my PPDs, my Cavs. and my 44 pwr. BCVs *ARRGGGGHHHH!!!*; otherwise, start coughing up your K-D5Ds, L-BCHTs, G-BCSssss, G-Racks, Z-MCD+, R-THVs, etc. 

IT'S ONLY BEEN OVER A YEAR SINCE THE LAST GOOD DYNA HAD THE FRIGGING GOD-DAMN #*(*# ISC IN IT (ie. SS2). 

Jeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

#*((*#  GOD-DAMN ISC-NERFERS!!!!!!!!!

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*frog runs through the air-lock*

GAG!!  GAG!!! GAG!!
GAG!!  GAG!!! GAG!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!! 
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!

 

*activates light-saber and charges madly through the dyna forest hacking and chopping everything in sight*

Slashes the "we gotta wait for such and such before we can start the dyna" oh-so-polite rule. 
De-capitates the draft sheet.
Force choke holds the trade rules to death.
Skewers race-nerfers everywhere.

*keeps on running and slashing*

PANT!! PANT!! PANT!! PANT!!

Sees 400 page dyna ruleset.

CHARGE!! KILL!!! MAIM!!! DESTROY!! 

[Bonk]

lol, lets run ISC invasion then! Wanna dig er up?

[el-Karnak]

Sees the dyna bureaucrats asking for 4000 word essay before items can be discussed.

*Lightsaber slashes off dere heads*

Sees the cheesy shiplist from hell.

*Takes out DL44 blaster pistol*

BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!!

*twirls smoking pistol back into holster*

Sees moving asteroid.

*brings in Death Star and blasts it*

Sees admins. complaining about missions.

*Slices off their arms*

*then their legs*

*Then their heads*

*Then sizzles their torso in two*

Takes the remains and makes baloney sandwiches out of them to feed to the Kzin.


Sees the dithering admin. that can't decide on what to do or when to do it.

GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Points light-saber at them*

"This party's over *Mace Windu voice*."

"We play dyna NOW!! *Klingon voice*"

"AND WITH FEELING!! *Jim Carey voice*"

....Oh yeah, with frogs too!!

 RIBBIT!! RIBBIT!!"
 RIBBIT!! RIBBIT!!"
 RIBBIT!! RIBBIT!!"

 

[el-Karnak]

lol, lets run ISC invasion then! Wanna dig er up?

We could start in a week or two. 

[Bonk]

lol, lets run ISC invasion then! Wanna dig er up?

We could start in a week or two.

Shall I put it together or do you want to do it?  Seriously, you wanna?  If not:

Sees the dithering admin. that can't decide on what to do or when to do it.

Fine then, to heck with any schedule or DIP type crap, SFB-OP it is, on the Classic War map, similar settings to KCW. Standard alliances.

Stock, EEK2.1, latest ED and TraceyG missions (double fighters, too bad - we always managed before... and on SFB-OP it's double evil... muahaahaha! - there's proper froggies too...)

I'll put together the server, installer and webmap this weekend - I'll start tonight.  Play it or not, I always have fun on that shiplist myself!

[KBF-Kurok]

hehe  LOL at Karnak + karma for you and yes we need to get something going NOW!!!!!! 

[Dizzy]

Ya, we have gone too long w/o a serious server...

[el-Karnak]

Shall I put it together or do you want to do it?  Seriously, you wanna?  If not:

I can make the map. I already got the rule set.  I can supply the missions. You could host it with the webmap.

Fine then, to heck with any schedule or DIP type crap, SFB-OP it is, on the Classic War map, similar settings to KCW. Standard alliances.

BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!!

*twirls smoking blaster pistol back into holster*

Stock, EEK2.1, latest ED and TraceyG missions (double fighters, too bad - we always managed before... and on SFB-OP it's double evil... muahaahaha! - there's proper froggies too...)

Any mission that dbl-fighter bugs in O-U-T.  There was no leeway given to dbl-fighter bugged missions for GW3, so I am not about to be less tolerant even though I normally would. But, the "I-am-an-hard-assed" mission stickler precedent was set in GW3, so we go with that.  Any bugged missions are out. We do our best to make this dyna techie smooth.

[GDA-S'Cipio]

I'm with Chuut.  Give it a week for advertisement, then kick it off with the existing draft lists.  The heads of houses can run a second draft during that week as well to make sure everyone is involved that wants to be.

-S'Cipio

[el-Karnak]

I'm with Chuut.  Give it a week for advertisement, then kick it off with the existing draft lists.  The heads of houses can run a second draft during that week as well to make sure everyone is involved that wants to be.

-S'Cipio

I am so sorry, but I regret to inform you that KCW had their chance and it aint happening. 

We are moving onto the next dyna with frogs in it now. 

[GDA-S'Cipio]

I'm with Chuut.  Give it a week for advertisement, then kick it off with the existing draft lists.  The heads of houses can run a second draft during that week as well to make sure everyone is involved that wants to be.

-S'Cipio

I am so sorry, but I regret to inform you that KCW had their chance and it aint happening. 

Doesn't change my vote, or my desires.    I've been looking forward to KCW too long to wanna ditch it.  It's a cool server idea.

-S'Cipio

[el-Karnak]

I'm with Chuut.  Give it a week for advertisement, then kick it off with the existing draft lists.  The heads of houses can run a second draft during that week as well to make sure everyone is involved that wants to be.

-S'Cipio

I am so sorry, but I regret to inform you that KCW had their chance and it aint happening. 

Doesn't change my vote, or my desires.    I've been looking forward to KCW too long to wanna ditch it.  It's a cool server idea.

-S'Cipio

too long is the operative phrase here.

I really don't have a problem with people wanting to do dynas even though they may not know the dyna server kit yet. But, I do have a problem with dyna admins. that habitually announce them way before they are ready. That's just plain dumb. You wanna host a dyna then make sure that you can put up a test server within a couple weeks before announcing it; otherwise, no one wants to hear about it and then get jerked around.  If there are RL issues happening then just come forward and PUBLICLY postpone it indefinitely, so that other admins. that are ready to host a dyna are not waiting on a pipe dream.  This clueless situation with KCW is not good. Even if Bonk ran it now, then Hooch may want to run the "real" KCW later.  Like I said, enough of the dithering.  Hooch is NOT HERE, and he's made no public posts about the state of KCW, so this dyna is busted. 

It's all about common courtesy and respect, IMHO.   

[Kroma BaSyl]

I'm with Chuut.  Give it a week for advertisement, then kick it off with the existing draft lists.  The heads of houses can run a second draft during that week as well to make sure everyone is involved that wants to be.

-S'Cipio

I am so sorry, but I regret to inform you that KCW had their chance and it aint happening. 

We are moving onto the next dyna with frogs in it now. 

Well that would be GW4. No frogs, just Romulan toadies.

[Dizzy]

I cant remember the last time there was a good ISC presence. I cant remember the last time I had a good ISC match... Perhaps it was back on AOTK... That was over a year ago, wasnt it?

Be nice to line one up b4 G4 starts. I'd like to get SG4 going, but with all these server delays I dont see it materializing this year at all. ::sniff::

[Herr Burt]

I cant remember the last time there was a good ISC presence. I cant remember the last time I had a good ISC match... Perhaps it was back on AOTK... That was over a year ago, wasnt it?

Ya shoulda logged onto Squadron Commander!    They had some of the best tools on the map.

-Herr Burt

[Doomstone]

Not voting til I get some answers... as previously posted, how long is KCW supposed to run? This is a big issue considering the timetable for house leadership challenges.

IIRC the current ruleset allows only 1 leadership challenge during the first 2 weeks, and only one per week after that. This is cowardly, unrealistic, and unacceptable. Any Klingon worth his salt will feel duty-bound to challenge for leadership. Accomodations must be made to allow all pilots a fair challenge. 3 challenges per day would be reasonable.

Last we heard from Hooch it was being reworked. Any update?

No answers, no updates, no challenges, no pilots. Next!

[el-Karnak]

I'm with Chuut.  Give it a week for advertisement, then kick it off with the existing draft lists.  The heads of houses can run a second draft during that week as well to make sure everyone is involved that wants to be.

-S'Cipio

I am so sorry, but I regret to inform you that KCW had their chance and it aint happening. 

We are moving onto the next dyna with frogs in it now. 

Well that would be GW4. No frogs, just Romulan toadies.

BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!!

Walks away from the ISC-nerfing corpses of GW4.

*twirls smoking DL44 Blaster back into holster*

Situation solved.

ISC nerfers are now Enemies of the Dyna-State!!!

I cant remember the last time there was a good ISC presence. I cant remember the last time I had a good ISC match... Perhaps it was back on AOTK... That was over a year ago, wasnt it?

Be nice to line one up b4 G4 starts. I'd like to get SG4 going, but with all these server delays I dont see it materializing this year at all. ::sniff::

STFU, Dizzy. We are doing it now!! Move yer butt and launch it now!!

IT'S FROGGY TIME!!!!!!!! 

IT"S PACIFICATION TIMES!!!!

IT"S HAPPY, HAPPY TIME!!!!!!!!

Tastes great and less filling too. 

We are having an ISC playable dyna now!!

Anyone that gets in the way is gonna get fried...er, I mean "pacified". BBQed with lotsa ketchup and chili sauce too.

No more graft, no more corruption in the alpha quadrant. Just pure unadulteralted evil "pacifying" and BBQing and some good 0ol'fashioned Gorno stomping in Middle Era.  Oooh!! I can't wait to see them whining on the forums about our middle-era ships again.

Wait!! Gorns are allied with ISC in ISC Inv. Oh well, we stomp them later!!

We are gonna pacify Earth, and then we are gonna pacify Mars and then Saturn and Hydrax-farting-place, and Lyra-dumpster and Kzin-McDonalds/Dunkin Donuts place, and Orion and Tholia and Andro place and Andor and Tellar and then we are going to go to Disney World!!!

YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

[Bonk]

Not voting til I get some answers... as previously posted, how long is KCW supposed to run? This is a big issue considering the timetable for house leadership challenges.

http://mkroll.asta.chicago.il.us/KCW/

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

If we have an ISC server lets do an ISC civil war, PPD for all!

[Dizzy]

Karnak, the SG4 map isnt yet complete. Close, but no banana.

The shiplist isnt yet polished.

The server settings havent been tested...

Etc., etc., etc...

SG4 is going to go after GW4.

Your little ISC pacification thing, that and KCW can go b4 GW4 for all I care, but DAMNIT peeps, get SOME kind of server up thats mainstream!

[Dizzy]

I cant remember the last time there was a good ISC presence. I cant remember the last time I had a good ISC match... Perhaps it was back on AOTK... That was over a year ago, wasnt it?

Ya shoulda logged onto Squadron Commander!    They had some of the best tools on the map.

-Herr Burt

Heh, put the server back up, I still have the installer!

My OP hasnt been fixed or updated since my HD reformat after GW3. Or something like that. DH helped me out a little bit with some bug crunching advice... 'Format' he said, heh. So I'm still not up and running, although I think I am current with all drivers now...

[el-Karnak]

Karnak, the SG4 map isnt yet complete. Close, but no banana.

The shiplist isnt yet polished.

The server settings havent been tested...

Etc., etc., etc...

SG4 is going to go after GW4.

Slacker!! Slacker!! Slacker!!
Slacker!! Slacker!! Slacker!!
Slacker!! Slacker!! Slacker!!

Your little ISC pacification thing, that and KCW can go b4 GW4 for all I care, but DAMNIT peeps, get SOME kind of server up thats mainstream!

Death to the ISC-nerfers!!   

[Doomstone]

http://mkroll.asta.chicago.il.us/KCW/

Thx for the link Bonk. However the problem remains.

Hypothetically, let's say the server runs for 3 weeks. Only 3 leadership challenges can be played. What happens when half a dozen Klingons challenge for leadership? It would be an obvious conflict of interests for the House Leader / RM to select the challengers.

Even if there were an arbitrary method of selecting a limited number of challengers, why should the others be deprived their right to challenge?

Diabolic scheming, treachery, and betrayal are fundamental Klingon traits - even among the race-nerfed TNG Klinks. It's a HUGE oversight to neglect assassination attempts in the context of a Klingon Civil War. So I assume these would have to be treated as additional challenges.

In the spirit of the server theme, I strongly suggest you modify the rules to allow any and all qualified challengers their rightful opportunity.

Thanks for reading this.

[Hexx]

http://mkroll.asta.chicago.il.us/KCW/

Thx for the link Bonk. However the problem remains.

Hypothetically, let's say the server runs for 3 weeks. Only 3 leadership challenges can be played. What happens when half a dozen Klingons challenge for leadership? It would be an obvious conflict of interests for the House Leader / RM to select the challengers.

Even if there were an arbitrary method of selecting a limited number of challengers, why should the others be deprived their right to challenge?

Diabolic scheming, treachery, and betrayal are fundamental Klingon traits - even among the race-nerfed TNG Klinks. It's a HUGE oversight to neglect assassination attempts in the context of a Klingon Civil War. So I assume these would have to be treated as additional challenges.

In the spirit of the server theme, I strongly suggest you modify the rules to allow any and all qualified challengers their rightful opportunity.

Thanks for reading this.

Your welcome.- I just don't read anyone threads.

However I have the unfortunate feeling that you're missing the point.
Despite the added ability intended for the server of being able to challenge the house leadership, the primary focus is still fighting the other houses.
Realistically maybe we should have an unlimited number of challenges issued per day, but that's not going to fit really well into everyone's schedule.
I think one challenge /week is sufficent,maybe one challenge every five days but that would be the limit.

[Bonk]

http://mkroll.asta.chicago.il.us/KCW/

Hypothetically, let's say the server runs for 3 weeks. Only 3 leadership challenges can be played. What happens when half a dozen Klingons challenge for leadership? It would be an obvious conflict of interests for the House Leader / RM to select the challengers.

3 house leaders, challenges 7 days apart, 3 week server = 9 leadership challenges total. (as I calculate it)
Since a rear admiral rank is required it will be first-come-first-served.
How about this?: challengers in conflict can resolve their right to challenge in their own duels.

I'm pretty much with Hexx, the rules have been finalised, I don't want to get into opening them for debate.
I'm just the technical guy and want to play the dang thing!

[Bonk]

OK, testing for another week, then launch it is!

I take no reposibility for the draft.  If one appears, great, otherwise I'll randomise the teams from the draft lists here.

No whining about waiting another week, the people have spoken!    Besides, I'm putting SFP-OP up shortly too! 

(Sorry Karnak, at least I made a bid for ISC Invasion... lotsa froggies on SFB-OP...)

[Green]

Sounds good Bonk.

Got a question for anyone though, I thought the DRAFT was done and we were waiting on the TRADES.  Can't we simply use the draft list and by-pass the trades?

Anyone have the draft list?  J'inn, Kroma, Dizzy?  Can it be provided to Bonk?

[KBFLordKrueg]

Sounds good Bonk.

Got a question for anyone though, I thought the DRAFT was done and we were waiting on the TRADES.  Can't we simply use the draft list and by-pass the trades?

Anyone have the draft list?  J'inn, Kroma, Dizzy?  Can it be provided to Bonk?

I understood the trades were even done...I thought we were simply waiting for a test, then the real thing...

[el-Karnak]

OK, testing for another week, then launch it is!

I take no reposibility for the draft.  If one appears, great, otherwise I'll randomise the teams from the draft lists here.

No whining about waiting another week, the people have spoken!    Besides, I'm putting SFP-OP up shortly too! 

(Sorry Karnak, at least I made a bid for ISC Invasion... lotsa froggies on SFB-OP...)

Yeah, well if we don't get a dyna going next week on 10/27 then  *Arnold voice* I'll be back...muahahahahahahaha!!

This KCW dyna project is in uber-red status.  I want to see daily End-of-Business status reports on the dyna progress including all mitigation actions and ETA to Green status target due dates.  I also want to see all justification for why you need the head-count you have assigned to this project. If they are contractors, I am gonna cut them if they don't perform. Employess will get laterally moved to dead-end projects.  If we have to go get "food for hire" people off the streets to replace these guys then that's we are gonna do.

Ooop!! How did one of my work emails get in this post?!

This dyna had better be in Green status by 10/27 or I'm sending in security's hatchet-man.

[Julin Eurthyr]

http://mkroll.asta.chicago.il.us/KCW/

Thx for the link Bonk. However the problem remains.

Hypothetically, let's say the server runs for 3 weeks. Only 3 leadership challenges can be played. What happens when half a dozen Klingons challenge for leadership? It would be an obvious conflict of interests for the House Leader / RM to select the challengers.

Even if there were an arbitrary method of selecting a limited number of challengers, why should the others be deprived their right to challenge?

Diabolic scheming, treachery, and betrayal are fundamental Klingon traits - even among the race-nerfed TNG Klinks. It's a HUGE oversight to neglect assassination attempts in the context of a Klingon Civil War. So I assume these would have to be treated as additional challenges.

In the spirit of the server theme, I strongly suggest you modify the rules to allow any and all qualified challengers their rightful opportunity.

Thanks for reading this.

As one of the house leaders, I find need to comment.

Where were you on the days / weeks that Hooch sought out house leaders?

Comeon, the house leaders haven't had a chance to prove themselves, and you're already basically looking to off one of them...

And if it's me, then I might as well surrender now, and let you finish up the drafting, trading, scheming etc. for House Kinshaya, as I know my Klingon ship-piloting skills are fairly ineffective, especially when placed against a pilot proficient in disruptor use.  For further proof of that statement, please look at my usual race / role, which I intelligently kept prominently displayed underneath that ISC-purple D7 avatar I currently have on display...

TOS-Klingons, from my readings, always put the good of the Empire before personal gain.  I thought the 3 house leaders were the 3 best choices to lead the Empire, otherwise there'd be more houses / combatants seeking the throne...  And I thought all house members were, through the draft process, forced to support the leader they got until that leader is proven ineffective.

Am I really that ineffective, when I haven't even ran 1 mission on the live server yet?  Or issued 1 order?  Wrote 1 battle strategy?  If so, I reference you to the bold-faced question I asked above...

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Welcome to the Klingon Empire Julian, to be effective a house leader had to keep everyone in line.  If someone challanged him he just simply put his batleth in thier chest, better sharpen your blade......

[el-Karnak]

Welcome to the Klingon Empire Julian, to be effective a house leader had to keep everyone in line.  If someone challanged him he just simply put his batleth in thier chest, better sharpen your blade......

*snicker*

[Doomstone]

Where were you on the days / weeks that Hooch sought out house leaders?

I wasn't around, and it doesn't matter. If it wasn't me it would be somebody else - assuming the Klingon race still lives.

Comeon, the house leaders haven't had a chance to prove themselves, and you're already basically looking to off one of them...

Of course. I'm Klingon. In the event of Civil War, the first duty of any self-respecting Klingon is to TAKE OVER.

If it suits my purposes, I may let you live. As a toady figurehead. Until your inevitable assassination - which will be blamed on the Federation.

And if it's me, then I might as well surrender now

Not a very Klingon attitude. Do us all a favor and slit your wrists - save a bullet.

TOS-Klingons, from my readings, always put the good of the Empire before personal gain.  I thought the 3 house leaders were the 3 best choices to lead the Empire, otherwise there'd be more houses / combatants seeking the throne...  And I thought all house members were, through the draft process, forced to support the leader they got until that leader is proven ineffective.

Am I really that ineffective, when I haven't even ran 1 mission on the live server yet?  Or issued 1 order?  Wrote 1 battle strategy?  If so, I reference you to the bold-faced question I asked above...

Klingons, forced to support a leader? You must be joking. Advancement in rank in the Klingon fleet is accomplished only by victory in direct combat or treacherous assassination and mutiny plots. Successful Klingon leadership is accomplished only by supression of these internal machinations.

It's true that Klingons will tend to support leadership that brings them to VICTORY. This remains to be seen. But I wouldn't count on it, or grow complacent.

How about this?: challengers in conflict can resolve their right to challenge in their own duels.

That works for me.

[Villa64]

I dont support a Klingon Civil War.

I think we should give UN inspectors one... more... chance.

 

[drb]

Hoi Villa64,

ROTFLMAO 

Take care

drb

[Commander Maxillius]

I say scrap it and everyone get on SFB-OP.  the installer's only 45 megs   This dial-up d/ler got in in just over 5 hours   


Oh, and Dizzy, AOTK was about 2 years ago, at the end of the original Taldren Forums existance.

[Dizzy]

I dont support a Klingon Civil War.

I think we should give UN inspectors one... more... chance.

 

 

[el-Karnak]

I dont support a Klingon Civil War.

I think we should give UN inspectors one... more... chance.

 

 

"This chancellor has made catastrophic errors in judgement"

"Y'all know that my XO does not have the most hair of all the candidates in this race. Unlike my opponent, I did not choose my house XO based on his hairdo."

"He outsourced the chancellor assassination job to the local warlords while he went off and tried to take over the alpha quadrant.  Now look what happened!! We've got 2 wars and no plans to get out of these two sectors that is rife with insurgents."

"That don't sound too bad. Besides, we won't have a draft."

"KCW got a draft."

"This chancellor is planning a post-civil war surprise. He's gonna privitize social security, raise the retirement age and cut your benefits."

"Just one more reason for y'all to die well... and sooner."

"When I'm chancellor, I am gonna roll back the tax cuts on the top 2% warlords. Plus, they will use hybrid warp/solar sail engines to replace those dilithium guzzling D7 warp engines."

"I'm gonna make the tax cuts permanent, balloon the deficit and go conquer some weak quadrant power to pay for it all!! I'm not even gonna cry 'genesis device'!!  'genesis device'!! this time!!"

"I'm gonna hold a summit with all the quadrant powers and talk through our problems. Basically, we need cheaper drugs in the Empire."

[Commander Maxillius]

I dont support a Klingon Civil War.

I think we should give UN inspectors one... more... chance.

 

 

"This chancellor has made catastrophic errors in judgement"

"Y'all know that my XO does not have the most hair of all the candidates in this race. Unlike my opponent, I did not choose my house XO based on his hairdo."

"He outsourced the chancellor assassination job to the local warlords while he went off and tried to take over the alpha quadrant.  Now look what happened!! We've got 2 wars and no plans to get out of these two sectors that is rife with insurgents."

"That don't sound too bad. Besides, we won't have a draft."

"KCW got a draft."

"This chancellor is planning a post-civil war surprise. He's gonna privitize social security, raise the retirement age and cut your benefits."

"Just one more reason for y'all to die well... and sooner."

"When I'm chancellor, I am gonna roll back the tax cuts on the top 2% warlords. Plus, they will use hybrid warp/solar sail engines to replace those dilithium guzzling D7 warp engines."

"I'm gonna make the tax cuts permanent, balloon the deficit and go conquer some weak quadrant power to pay for it all!! I'm not even gonna cry 'genesis device'!!  'genesis device'!! this time!!"

"I'm gonna hold a summit with all the quadrant powers and talk through our problems. Basically, we need cheaper drugs in the Empire."

(I never thought I'd say this)  OMG +1 to you, Karnak!!!   

[FPF-DieHard]

Good one Karnak!