Topic: KCW: Which house gets what race UI? Look here !

[GDA-S'Cipio]

Answer please 

You've selected only one system to hit-and-run.  If I choose to hit the enemy's Disruptors, for example, I will normally select all four.  This way your odds of hitting one disruptor do not go down, but your odds of hitting all four go up.

Either way, you are going to send all 7ish marines.  Why not take the chance to get more out of them?


<S'Cipio steps into fantasy land>
This whole problem would go away if we had a hotkey for hit-and-runs.  I can't imagine why we don't, when we have a hotkey for virtually everything else, including a lot of things I don't think we need one for.  Maybe when we have access to the source code.....

-S'Cipio

[Capt Jeff]

I haven't look at the file, but can't the "find/replace" function of MS word do this almost automaticlly?

No, the sounds text is a maze of different "pointers" to wav files.

Just a sample.....lets say red alert voice:
kSndRedAlert   alrdfed.wav   Red alert Klaxon
kSndYellowAlert   alyefed.wav   Yellow alert Klaxon
kSndKliRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon
kSndKliYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
kSndRomRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon
kSndRomYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
kSndHydRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon
kSndHydYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
kSndLyrRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon
kSndLyrYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
kSndGorRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon
kSndGorYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
kSndISCRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon      
kSndISCYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
kSndMirRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon
kSndMirYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
**************************************************************

As you can see, I did modify EVERY race's red alert to "Point" to the klingon sound file  EXCEPT the Feds.   I figured that there would be no way in hell Fed would be used....lol.  Find and replace would not work in this set up.  It's all manual baby !!

[GDA-S'Cipio]

Hmmmm,

perhaps on the next server we should switch around the UI for everyone.

Lets see

<snip list>

 

+1 Karma to you for that!

-S'Cipio

(Though, for the record, I find the ISC interface very clean and easy to use. )

[FPF-DieHard]

I haven't look at the file, but can't the "find/replace" function of MS word do this almost automaticlly?

No, the sounds text is a maze of different "pointers" to wav files.

Just a sample.....lets say red alert voice:
kSndRedAlert   alrdfed.wav   Red alert Klaxon
kSndYellowAlert   alyefed.wav   Yellow alert Klaxon
kSndKliRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon
kSndKliYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
kSndRomRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon
kSndRomYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
kSndHydRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon
kSndHydYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
kSndLyrRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon
kSndLyrYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
kSndGorRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon
kSndGorYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
kSndISCRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon      
kSndISCYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
kSndMirRedAlert   alrdkli.wav   Klingon
kSndMirYellowAlert   alyekli.wav   
**************************************************************

As you can see, I did modify EVERY race's red alert to "Point" to the klingon sound file  EXCEPT the Feds.   I figured that there would be no way in hell Fed would be used....lol.  Find and replace would not work in this set up.  It's all manual baby !!

That blows . . .

[Capt Jeff]

Well, a massive redo of most files and we could do this.

Have Hooch make the map for the Cartels.

Put Klingon ships in three cartel slots.

EVERYONE gets stuck with the same Pirate UI's....

 

[Corbomite]

Answer please 

Your lack of understanding is apparent. The pause toggle is not to turn off or deselect targets. You use it to set up your H&R's beforehand and then to use them when you want to; at a time of your choosing without having to choose targets on the fly. It is extremely useful and many players use it a lot.

I'm sorry for the work involved and that you didn't know about it sooner, but it is a fixable problem that was caught before the server started. I'm tired of having one faction on a server told to suck it up when a handicap is discovered in one of these mods. Its time for the admins to suck it up and fix these things before they turn into problems.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

As per Scipio's comment, I for one would use more than 1 marine at a time, so yes it does matter big time whether the pause button works or not, as you have to click in and out all that were selected and when we are talking 5 to 7 transporters, that's more than just one little click to save an ill timed transport. Seconds can be precious in a battle.

[FPF-DieHard]

Your lack of understanding is apparent. The pause toggle is not to turn off or deselect targets. You use it to set up your H&R's beforehand and then to use them when you want to; at a time of your choosing without having to choose targets on the fly. It is extremely useful and many players use it a lot.

What is funny about this is either the Mirak never knew about this, never cared, or never really used Hit & Run raids to have noticed it. 

It kind of makes sense considring H&R are used way more on GSA than D2 and few people fly Mirak on GSA.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Hey can you blame the Kzin marines,

They see a down shield and it like someone turned on a canopenner.  What transporter tech is gonna tell a group of hungry Kzin Marines that they have to wait for dinner.....

[FPF-DieHard]

If you get into range 5 of a Kzin ship with downed shields, you have bigger problems 

[FPF-DieHard]

Back on topic:  Give Dizzaroma the Klingon UI and there is no issue.

Again, does anyone really have a problem with this?

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Your lack of understanding is apparent. The pause toggle is not to turn off or deselect targets. You use it to set up your H&R's beforehand and then to use them when you want to; at a time of your choosing without having to choose targets on the fly. It is extremely useful and many players use it a lot.

What is funny about this is either the Mirak never knew about this, never cared, or never really used Hit & Run raids to have noticed it. 

It kind of makes sense considring H&R are used way more on GSA than D2 and few people fly Mirak on GSA.

Actually I never knew about a pause button until recently. Figured it was the same for everyone.

Now that I do know I realize that this was the reason for all my p v p loses as a Kzin..... j/k

seriously though I wonder if there is anyway to fix this or is it in the source code?

Not that it is that big of a deal, we Kzin are capable of overcoming this minor disadvantage, besides our opponents need a handicap anyhow.....

[Capt Jeff]

Answer please 

Your lack of understanding is apparent.

 

I understand how to perform Hit and run raids...

Looks like Hooch has a decision.

Any race change will require a re-do of the map and shiplist.  If we don't use Fed, then it will have to be a PF race and a donor fighter race will need to be modified( that will screw up some of the finer details, but if people don't mind half assed, then it's ok).



Looking more and more like a November launch.   Is GW4 ready?  

[Capt Jeff]

Actaully, if Klingon were used, it would just mean a map change.  All other files would still work.

The race names file would need to be tweeked in the strings and the server gf files....a lot less work the assigning Feds or a PF race..

[FPF-DieHard]

Any race change will require a re-do of the map and shiplist.  If we don't use Fed, then it will have to be a PF race and a donor fighter race will need to be modified( that will screw up some of the finer details, but if people don't mind half assed, then it's ok).

use Klingon    No technical isues and 5 minutes of map editing.  problem solved.  The technical issues trump any whining over favoritism.

[FPF-DieHard]

Actaully, if Klingon were used, it would just mean a map change.  All other files would still work.

The race names file would need to be tweeked in the strings and the server gf files....a lot less work the assigning Feds or a PF race..

Great minds think alike 

[ShadowLord]

Great see -- I knew it was easy to fix --

I do however have a question for ya here -- does this situation affect the mirak interface when used in GSA?, and if it does -- is it fixed by just switching skins when in ship selection at space dock?

Considering KHH went Mirak for this cycle in ladder play -- it would be interesting to know LOL

[Capt Jeff]

PS,

it would involve a client side change to the shiplist to put the klingons at the top of the list.  That would only take about 5 minutes though, so no sweat there....  

[FPF-DieHard]

Great see -- I knew it was easy to fix --

I do however have a question for ya here -- does this situation affect the mirak interface when used in GSA?, and if it does -- is it fixed by just switching skins when in ship selection at space dock?

Considering KHH went Mirak for this cycle in ladder play -- it would be interesting to know LOL

it's not an issue for ladder play, you can change the UI there. 

[Bonk]

This of course would mean a new installer (Bonk has already put one together).

The Installer was created prematurely.  never should have been made until after everything was tested.

No problem to update it. I did it early to get the work done when I could, updates are quick and easy for the most part. I fully expected files to change before the server start (missions have already changed once, and I expect this to be the first in a series of changes in the shiplist). We could edit the flatfile after everyone has logged in as Klingon to the desired race slot, preserving the Klingon UI if we really wanted to.

Anyway, I'll keep an eye on things and update the installer as necessary.