Topic: Seven More Ships!! Image Heavy!!

[Rogue NineCH]

Ok I am back with seven more of Marauth's ships.  It took longer than I thought it would due to my brother flying into town, but I managed to get it done.  Also anyone who downloaded my ships prior to 09-23-04 needs to get the updated mod files.  I change the placement of the ships so they are more centered inside the shields, and I also included the corrected texture for the Revere, it will get rid of that blue on the warp nacelle.  Now here are the ships, if my site doesn't reflect an update be patient, it will show up as the server files are updated.  May a take a little time.  Lastly, the BCs will be ready on Saturday, around the evening since I still have a few minor loose ends to tie up.

First up we have the USS Saladin








Next we have the USS Coronado








Then the USS Oriskany








Now the USS Franz Ferdinand









Her sister ship, the USS Vittorio Amadeo II









Next is a familiar ship the USS Enterprise









And last but not least her successor, the Enterprise-A









All ships were done by Marauth, I merely did the break mods and the hardpoints.  Enjoy the new ships, here is my new URL.

Rogue Shipyards 


Keep in my that this url will change slightly once I officially launch my site, which will be when the Rogue Class is released.  Then the you can bookmark that url.

[Dizzy]

It pains me to see you have blown up each of those beautiful ships... ::sniff:: How could you?

[Mackie]

franz ferdinant is lovely <3 

[zerosnark]

Very nice ships.

I think I need those CV's.

[S33K100]

Nice to finally see them ingame, man I need to get a new copy of SFC, I can't really take credit for the Saladin BTW, I just did some texture corrections so it fitted in with all my other kitbashes and gave it a proper registry for the era, 500 is just a bit silly. And the Enterprises, both are now slightly out of date as WZ has changed the bridge module to be slightly closer to the studio model, when I have the time I'll change that but for now that's the only thing I could see wrong with them going by the reference photos I used. Re: the similarities between the Coronado/Oriskany, they're mainly to represent the two different variants of the CVL in SFC, IIRC the CVS is virtually identical but for the extra torpedo launchers (going by SFC, I'm sure it's different in SFB)

Damnit, I just spotted I forgot to recolour the starfleet delta on the green Enterprise, it was orangey-yellow during TMP, I guess I'm just nitpicking my work there.

P.S. Thankyou once again Rogue Nine, it's great to finally see my modest bashes online.

[Starforce2]

well this sucks, all the pix are dead...

[Don Karnage]

the torpedo tube on your 2th carrier should fire from the back also to increase is fire power, so where can i get the light cruiser, the ship with the ncc 2250?.

[Starforce2]

It pains me to see you have blown up each of those beautiful ships... ::sniff:: How could you?

rotflmao

Well, the pix are back up. I like the 2 with the odd shaped pylons, something new. Who are they named after?
Anyways, a suggestion to make the oriskany  more interesting...how bout having the bays open like the excelcior's bay? Nobody's ever done that to a CVL before.


(and who is the wiseguy who keeps giving me negative  carma? lol...I haven't even flammed anyone yet....   Infidels!)

[Terradyhne]

all in all those look great but the Coronado and Oriskany meshes are a bit wrong with the frontpart of the secondary hull the secondary hull of both is not yust two enterprise secondary hull back parts glued together the front part is shorter and the Oriskany has no Torpedo launcher on the underside of the secondary hull and the Oriskany is yust the upgrade version of the Coronado

[Wicked Zombie]

Nice work, guys. I especially like the Ferdinand...in fact I'm wondering why I didn't think of it first. Must be losing my edge or something.

[zerosnark]

Yeah, these are good ships.

Any thoughts to making the Oriskany with Belknap style low mount engines?

Here are my thoughts on pedigree:
We have the TOS Constitution which was transformed into the TMP Enterprise.
Likewise, we have the TOS Coronado which was transformed into the TMP Coronado shown above.

The Belknap was new construction in the TMP era, along with a companion CVS type ship. ..

Just my two cents.

[Rogue NineCH]

Nice work, guys. I especially like the Ferdinand...in fact I'm wondering why I didn't think of it first. Must be losing my edge or something.

Now we can't have you think up all the good models can we?  What fun would that be?  With the proliferation of P81 ships out there, it's about time your ships get some kitbashing attention.  No disrespect meant to P81, I am as big a fan of his work as anyone else.  Who knows, maybe this will spark a kitbashing run  on your ships.  I hope so, it'll be a nice change of pace for the SFC community.

[zerosnark]

A thought on NCC numbers.. . .the original FJD tech manual gives 500's to DD's, 1700's to CA's, 2100's to DN's and 3800's to tugs.

I think NCC numbers (be they standing for Navigation Contact Code or Naval Construction Contract) are similar to Pennant numbers in 19th and 20th century navies. . they are assigned based upon some criteria and can later be changed. In the US, each Class type (DD, BB, CV) has a unique series of numbers and the pennant doesn't change over time. In the Soviet navy, pennant numbers were changed routinely.

TOS and TMP eras seemed to have a sequential scheme, (based on some sources) with blocks reserved for ships of specific types (1700's for cruisers, 3800's for tugs). Later in the TMP era, the sequence began to be corrupted (starting with 1701A being assigned to a replacement Enterprise), and by the TNG era, the NCC pennant number assignments were totally random.

Other sources would indicate that NCC numbers were also random in the 23rd century. Like the Constellation (a heavy cruiser or command cruiser) being NCC1017, and the Fed heavy cruiser random numbers shown on that infamous chaulk board in "Court Martial".

[S33K100]

@ Wicked Zombie: wow, praise from the zombie dude himself

@ Terradyhne: yeah I already knew about that but I couldn't be bothered faffing about with twisting and distorting the mesh at the front so it looks like those schematics which I think are rather ugly anyway, I prefer my elongated version. Also I never intended to do the TOS version as Atrahasis has already made a brilliant TOS version (even though he never adds the filled in bit on the intercoolers at the backs of the nacelles... ???) I just needed the two names of ships from that class and I picked the two that are well known, these aren't exact replicas of the schematics, they're meant to fill the CVL and CVS slots, the CVS had extra torpedoes in SFC so I added the extra pod.

@ Zerosnark: Yeah I'll have a go at that at some point, I really want to get an ordinarry Belknap bash done first but there're a couple of holes in the Bellicose secondary hull mesh that I can't figure out how to plug, and they show up badly when I put the ordinary thinner neck on.

@ Rogue: yeah it's about time WZ's models got the proper attention and respect.

@ Zerosnark part 2: I'm firmly in the chronological registry camp. During TNG the numbers are almost always chronological, there is very little random about them, the only problem you run into are the First Contact ships which mostly seem to predate the Galaxy, I put that down to lazy CG artists, the same artists who can't be bothered to make anything but Mirandas and Excelsiors for the DS9 FX sequences.

The Enterprise registry is completely unique amongst Starfleet vessels, it is the only ship to retain the registry of it's forebears (Defiant shouldn't have kept it's registry but once again - FX people would have to edit footage, and Berman would have had to have paid them for it) so I don't consider it a 'corruption' of the registry system, most likely it still had a proper registry in the normal order which was used in records of ship construction.

As for TOS ships - budget, the Constellation registry was a simple rearrangement of 1701 to 1017 because they couldn't afford to make up new decals to put on the ship, most TOS ships with lower registries were never seen onscreen bearing those registries, most were only mentioned or written on a wall (Court Martial) it never said on the wall 'these are all Constitution class ships' di it? It was just some names and numbers, they could have been older cruisers or completely different fed ships entirely.

[Rogue NineCH]

all in all those look great but the Coronado and Oriskany meshes are a bit wrong with the frontpart of the secondary hull the secondary hull of both is not yust two enterprise secondary hull back parts glued together the front part is shorter and the Oriskany has no Torpedo launcher on the underside of the secondary hull and the Oriskany is yust the upgrade version of the Coronado

I see what you are saying Terradhyne, but those pictures are not realistic IMO.  The way I see it is that these ships are conversions of existing cruiser hulls.  The concept being having a carrier that requires virtually no escort, something that the Ark Royal class cannot do. in order to accomplish that you need to have the secondary considerably bigger to house the fighters, repair bays, simulators, pilot quarters, etc.  The pictures you are posting would be ships that would require a carrier escort group, since the weaponry would have to be reduced to house the fighters.  Besides, this is all make believe anyway, taking a little artistic license never hurt anything before.

[Rogue NineCH]

It pains me to see you have blown up each of those beautiful ships... ::sniff:: How could you?

Because I am evil!  MUWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[USS Mariner]

Nice to finally see them ingame, man I need to get a new copy of SFC, I can't really take credit for the Saladin BTW, I just did some texture corrections so it fitted in with all my other kitbashes and gave it a proper registry for the era, 500 is just a bit silly. And the Enterprises, both are now slightly out of date as WZ has changed the bridge module to be slightly closer to the studio model, when I have the time I'll change that but for now that's the only thing I could see wrong with them going by the reference photos I used. Re: the similarities between the Coronado/Oriskany, they're mainly to represent the two different variants of the CVL in SFC, IIRC the CVS is virtually identical but for the extra torpedo launchers (going by SFC, I'm sure it's different in SFB)

Damnit, I just spotted I forgot to recolour the starfleet delta on the green Enterprise, it was orangey-yellow during TMP, I guess I'm just nitpicking my work there.

P.S. Thankyou once again Rogue Nine, it's great to finally see my modest bashes online.

Fantastic work Marauth. The Franz Ferdinand/VA2 certainly is a welcome addition to the destroyer fleet. Finally something to shoort the Catyluyna's with...

On the subject of the Enterprises, I can actually do the yellow delta myself if you wish. Though I don't exactly recall if that was true, because the delta in the beginning of TWOK wasn't yellow and it used clips from TMP...

Infact, I just looked in EAS and found one of those dual TMP/TWOK pics. The delta is actually...grey.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/mechanics/er4a.jpg

Anyhoo, since you mentioned WZ's third Enterprise revision, I've been in the process of updating your previous model with fixed nacelle and aft shuttlebay fonts, adujusted saucer lighting for the E-A (was changed slightly in TVH onward due to the new A suffix), as well as adding in WZ's new saucer window textures. THEY HAVE ROOMS IN THEM!!! Additionally, I've spotted a detail on the E-A torp bay that you might be interested in too...

http://www.trekreview.com/mov/tuc/tuc748.jpg - Is it me, or does that lit detail look like "ENTERPRISE?" Would be kinda cool, but may or may not need remapping to display properly. Or it could just be ignored...

One little nit again on all ships though, the registry dashes. Just to show how they'd look, I've linked a page from Gem Kirk's IDIC to show the TMP SE CGI model of the Enterprise (101% accurate to the original.) http://members.aol.com/IDICPage3/tmpdvd.html

Keep up the good work. Hope to see the Rogue's soon!

[Kaenyne]

Rogue and Maruth:

Ever considered swapping around some of the bridge modules from the Fernandino, etc. and/or recoloring the secondary hulls, blue, green, etc. to make some more Connie variants?

Just an idea...

[S33K100]

Mariner, the Franz Ferdinand and Vittorio Amadeo II are the NCL and NCD respectively, they're cruisers, not destroyers, just very compact.

Feel free to modify the Enterprise textures, the delta colour I was taking from the site you pointed me to in the other thread which said the TMP Enterprise had an orangey-yellow delta, oh well, NM.

Is it me, or does that lit detail look like "ENTERPRISE?"

No not really:

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/md_enta-31.jpg

LOL, obviously I had to check that up but yeah, there's nothing written on the side there.

Re: the dashes, as I mentioned in the other thread Starfleet Bold Extended (or my version of it at least) does not seem to have the elongated hyphen so I can't use it if it's not there, as I already mentioned it doesn't bother me too much but if you send me a copy of the font with it then I'll use it, NOT Microgramma Bold BTW as there are several big differences between that and the Starfleet Bold, plus I can't be arsed to do pinstriping around the letters manually, don't even know how TBH.

@ Kaenyne: Fernandino? I'm sorry but I appear not to have that ship in my collection, got any pics of it?

[Kaenyne]

Sorry, I meant the Franz Ferdinano or her variants, minus the weapons at the front. I'm really tired this afternoon...

What I had in mind were Connies that be slightly different to reflect specific differences. Different shipyards putting their own "signature" on their run of Connies using different styled bridge modules, paint jobs, hence using subtle shades of red, orange, brown, etc. Stuff like that.

[Red_Green]

any chance of having an image lite versin of this thread? My modem is puking chunks.

[S33K100]

Sorry, I meant the Franz Ferdinano or her variants, minus the weapons at the front. I'm really tired this afternoon...

What I had in mind were Connies that be slightly different to reflect specific differences. Different shipyards putting their own "signature" on their run of Connies using different styled bridge modules, paint jobs, hence using subtle shades of red, orange, brown, etc. Stuff like that.

Different bridges is a tech issue, the bridge on the Franz Ferdinand (remember him, the guy who got shot by a serb? Irony was he planned to have a representative democracy once he got into power where each nationality in his empire would have a say, we could have had a peaceful Europe before the 1920s, oh well...) anyway that bridge is basically the Phase II bridge module, there're a couple of Enterprise variants with it but they're kind of like the USS America, no one would really notice, though that is the sort of customisation that went on in the Tech manuals, like a shipyard would have some weird parts that would never get used so they used 'em on the half-finished Connie they had. The paintjobs I never really gave much thought to alternates, I don't like calling something with re-coloured stripy bits a 'variant' because there's really truly no change. But I should have the USS America variant (rear torpedo, boxy impulse drive and weird lines on the saucer) done when I next send stuff Rogue's way.

Sorry Guest, not my thread, maybe they are a bit excessively large Rogue, next time resize them a bit for the poor 56k plebs (j/k)

[Starforce2]

nah, you can never have too many pix. You can never have screenies that are too big,  either. It's a little thing called *cable* lol So hats off to excessive numbers of large, high res pix.

[USS Mariner]

Mariner, the Franz Ferdinand and Vittorio Amadeo II are the NCL and NCD respectively, they're cruisers, not destroyers, just very compact.

Feel free to modify the Enterprise textures, the delta colour I was taking from the site you pointed me to in the other thread which said the TMP Enterprise had an orangey-yellow delta, oh well, NM.

Is it me, or does that lit detail look like "ENTERPRISE?"

No not really:

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/md_enta-31.jpg

LOL, obviously I had to check that up but yeah, there's nothing written on the side there.

Re: the dashes, as I mentioned in the other thread Starfleet Bold Extended (or my version of it at least) does not seem to have the elongated hyphen so I can't use it if it's not there, as I already mentioned it doesn't bother me too much but if you send me a copy of the font with it then I'll use it, NOT Microgramma Bold BTW as there are several big differences between that and the Starfleet Bold, plus I can't be arsed to do pinstriping around the letters manually, don't even know how TBH.

I knew about the NCL/NCD, just wanted to jab at the Catalyuna a bit.

I knew about the Maritime Model's "orange-yellow" delta, and I don't where the heck they got it. Maybe there was a really bad screenshot or something...

If that ain't writing, then why the hell was it lighted in the screenshot? It's possible that they coulda missed that one teeny detail, afterall. I personally thought thet put it there as a tiny nod to the Enterprise-D (which has a small "ENTERPRISE" next to it's forward torp launcher, suprise surpise.) The last line of TUC was a TNG nod anyway...

I understand about the dashes. I just knew that it was possible in one of the editing programs to make fonts. I forget which though...

[S33K100]

Hmm, I dunno about that TUC pic, the photo I posted is of the model almost immediately after they wrapped up filming TUC and I don't imagine they'd have changed anything after filming, what would be the point?

I hated the last line of TUC it really didn't make sense outside of the context that Kirk was giving the nod to the TNG crew, who he'd never met, and who wouldn't be around for another 70-odd years Oh well.

[Reverend]

somebody's been a busy busy bee!
Thanks for the great work Rogue!

[Rogue NineCH]

so i guess its a NO to my request

I just read your request, and well I have no idea how to do that.  I have never attempted to mod SFC3.  It has been over a year since I have even played it.  I'll tell you what, after I finish the Rogue Class I'll look into it and see if it's doable.

[S33K100]

somebody's been a busy busy bee!
Thanks for the great work Rogue!

*Cough*Cough*

Ahem, anyway, if anyone knows how to mod the ba.stard child of SFC (SFC3) and wishes to make these available for it now then just post in this thread to tell myself & Rogue. Oh and I think WZ should probably be informed if you want to release the models somewhere as these are kitbashed from his work after all.

[Wicked Zombie]

I should point out that I did more than slap a new bridge on the last version of the Connie. Some of the textures had a few minor tweaks, including the saucer maps which have slightly darker hull lines to make them more obvious.

[Rogue NineCH]

I should point out that I did more than slap a new bridge on the last version of the Connie. Some of the textures had a few minor tweaks, including the saucer maps which have slightly darker hull lines to make them more obvious.

Do you have updated blanks to reflect these changes?

[S33K100]

I should point out that I did more than slap a new bridge on the last version of the Connie. Some of the textures had a few minor tweaks, including the saucer maps which have slightly darker hull lines to make them more obvious.

I'm aware of the other texture changes you made but I'd already made them for my own personal use, except the hull line thing, and I've  made other changes based on photos of the studio model and screencaps of the films that I don't think are on your version, the only bit I couldn't recreate myself was the mesh change you made to the bridge, I mean no offence, your model and textures are brilliant but I had way to much time not to mention way to many reference photos and I wanted to make the most accurate possible version of your Enterprise, the only thing I didn't do which I've seen on the studio model AFAIK is remove some of the windows on one side of the sec hull to make it asymetrical, which looked stupid anyway so I undid that change.

[USS Mariner]

Well, since were talking about texture tweeks, here's the new, accurized delta I made. The WZ version was a bit too marroon and wasn't the right shape.

Once I get every change I want done, I can send some of the files to you if you want Marauth.

[Wicked Zombie]

I should point out that I did more than slap a new bridge on the last version of the Connie. Some of the textures had a few minor tweaks, including the saucer maps which have slightly darker hull lines to make them more obvious.

Do you have updated blanks to reflect these changes?

They're included with the rest of the ship along with the Ent-A regs.

I left the logo dark red since on-screen, it had a slightly faded/dark look to it. Not to mention normal red always seemed kinda tacky to me, but that's personal preference. My version isn't specifically accurate to any of the Enterprises (it underwent a number of repaints between movies), and is a blend of all of them which is obviously, another matter of personal taste.

If they did actually add "Enterprise" to the torpedo launcher, it would've only been on the TUC Ent-A since all previous versions have nothing there. Besides that errant close-up shot, which could've been a reuse of the giant section they made for TWOK with minor changes, I've never seen any indication the launcher has anything written there.

[Rogue NineCH]

Yes I found the blanks in the refit constitution zip, after I posted I rmembered you saying that you had put blanks in that zip file.  Thanks for the Help WZ!

[S33K100]

Well, since were talking about texture tweeks, here's the new, accurized delta I made. The WZ version was a bit too marroon and wasn't the right shape.

Once I get every change I want done, I can send some of the files to you if you want Marauth.

That's nice but I agree with WZ it looks tacky in plain red, besides my version is a mixture of what you see in real life and what you see onscreen, that is it looks half like fully lit studio model photos and half like it looked on your tv screen watching the films, for example the aztec pattern is actually much, much lighter in person than it appears on any of these versions, the ship is almost white and you can't really see the aztec at all but on screen it's the more familiar middle grey-silver colour we all know and the aztec it is much more pronounced.

Re: the Enterprise written on the side of the torp launcher, we don't even know if that's what that is in that (rather blurry) screencap and it does not appear anywhere on the (green) TMP version of the ship, nor on the TUC version, I don't know about the TWOK version, maybe they added it then when they repainted the hull to get rid of the pearlescent lacquers which were screwing up their lighting but certainly it was gone by the time they did the 'blue' repaint for STIV.

Interesting thing about the blue version is that they only did the repaint because they forgot to take off the removable damage from STII/III after filming and by the time of the next film it wouldn't come off.

[Wicked Zombie]

They could've used the undamaged side of the TWOK close-up model for that torpedo shot and simply reversed the film. It doesn't show much of that area anyway and the right side of the replica doesn't even have a docking bay (you can see it when the E fires at the BOP in ST 3). If it is the torp-close-up replica, it would explain why there isn't any text on the studio model.

[S33K100]

Possibly, I'd like to get a look at that close up section, all I've seen are the photos of it during filming of TWOK with all the burnt and broken sections one of which would completely cover up the area with the text, so it's possible it was on the other side.

[Wicked Zombie]

The right side of the ship definitely didn't have anything there as it's clearly shown when the E and Excelsior open up on the BOP. They used the studio model for that scene, which raises the question of why the other side looks different and why (if they did in fact use it) did they bother using the TWOK replica at all.

[Wicked Zombie]

Don't know how relevant it is, but I figure I can post it here anyway. For those interested, I whipped up a ST3 style brk model (and it only uses 4 low res maps), and is downloadable at the same section as the standard Enterprise on DRS. Nightsoft is probably offline again so it might be a while.

[S33K100]

That is sooooooooooooooooooooooo frickin cool you have to release that as an actual ship, not just a _brk.mod it's too cool.

Yeah Nightsoft's down I'll check back later.