Ok, trying to download a copy of the program isn't working. I almost got it to work but version 5 is mission the setup9.cab or something like that. Does anyone have version 5 setup and that particular file? I'd really appreciate it. From what I can tell, there are plugins for versions 3,4, and 5, and I can't find the programs for sale online except on Amazon.com, but it's like 1200 bucks!!! Milkshape crashes my system, and GMax doesn't take the plugins. Any help you guys can offer would be greatly appreciated.