Topic: Removal of my sig pic

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Older less infantile cultures are more flamboyant about sex but more laissez faire about it too.

I wonder how many of these people are dyin' from terminal STD's...

[Grand Master of Shadows NCC37385]

I for one, could care less about someone posting a cartoon pic with ta-ta's a showing. Now if she had posted real pics of her breasts....send them to me first! 

[Ravok]

Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.

The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.

 And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country.

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.

The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.

 And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country.

Our sources seem to contradict eachother 'cuz all the info I've found makes it sound like Europe is ate up with STD's, which just goes to show that...















SEX KILLS!!!

[Grand Master of Shadows NCC37385]

Then I must be dead!  Poor me...and I was such a nice guy!

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Then I must be dead!  Poor me...and I was such a nice guy!

Uh...that was a joke...

[Kroma BaSyl]

Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.

The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.

 And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country.

Exactly. Ignorance of sexuality does not reduce STD's or unwanted pregnancies, it increases them. No matter how many times this is shown scientifically, there are those that prefer to rely of "faith" (which is simply the willing suspension of disbelief) to be there scientific guide. I believe the Taliban follows the same basic philosophy.

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.

The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.

 And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country.

Exactly. Ignorance of sexuality does not reduce STD's or unwanted pregnancies, it increases them. No matter how many times this is shown scientifically, there are those that prefer to rely of "faith" (which is simply the willing suspension of disbelief) to be there scientific guide. I believe the Taliban follows the same basic philosophy.

You're misinterpreting the Taliban as being an actual religious organization. Their so-called "faith" is merely a front and justification for world conquest and murder, kinda like the Catholic Crusades of the Dark Ages.

[Kroma BaSyl]

Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.

The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.

 And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country.

Exactly. Ignorance of sexuality does not reduce STD's or unwanted pregnancies, it increases them. No matter how many times this is shown scientifically, there are those that prefer to rely of "faith" (which is simply the willing suspension of disbelief) to be there scientific guide. I believe the Taliban follows the same basic philosophy.

You're misinterpreting the Taliban as being an actual religious organization. Their so-called "faith" is merely a front and justification for world conquest and murder, kinda like the Catholic Crusades of the Dark Ages.

Your misunderstanding which aspects of their philosophy I am referring to. I never mentioned religion just ideology. The similarity between the 2 stands.

[KBF-Crim]

Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.

The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.

 And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country.

Exactly. Ignorance of sexuality does not reduce STD's or unwanted pregnancies, it increases them. No matter how many times this is shown scientifically, there are those that prefer to rely of "faith" (which is simply the willing suspension of disbelief) to be there scientific guide. I believe the Taliban follows the same basic philosophy.

It disengenous to equate moral considerations of pre-marital sex , Pre-adult sex, and monogomy with an ignorance of sexuality...

The implications of a lack of sexual morals can be seen from the young single mother with a toddler and a baby sitting at the bus stop to the highest office of this nation...

This thread is now way off topic and has nothing to do with any D2 servers....IMHO... the issue should be disscussed elsewhere...

And it simply religious bigotry to equate American Christians with the Talibon....get a frickin grip.

[Dizzy]

First of all, Crim, there is favorable bigotry. Haven't you read any of Hunter Thompsons novels?

Second, take your trigger happy fingers off the 'lock thread' button. You lock too many already. There should be a lock thread limitation per admin per week.

Third, I agree this entire thread is off track. <GASP> I agree with crim! WTF did the taliban and christian folks enter the fray? You know what? Dont answer that.

Fourth, I will get this thread back on track with once again publishing the before and after pics of Traceys Breast enlargement surgery, of which I can neither confirm nor deny. Lets try and get Tracey to pick one of them. She is so stubborn she would rather spite herself and cut off her nose than bow to a few nerdy conservatives. But I have defeated her before... Tracy, just pick one.

Before enlargements:



After some Silicone good stuff:

[KBF-Crim]

, take your trigger happy fingers off the 'lock thread' button. You lock too many already. There should be a lock thread limitation per admin per week.

Bite me...I havent locked a thread all week...    and now I get two for next week


Besides.....Blade said ..and I quote..."dont crash and the forums Crim"....so there...THHHUUUPPPP....

[Kroma BaSyl]

Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.

The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.

 And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country.

Exactly. Ignorance of sexuality does not reduce STD's or unwanted pregnancies, it increases them. No matter how many times this is shown scientifically, there are those that prefer to rely of "faith" (which is simply the willing suspension of disbelief) to be there scientific guide. I believe the Taliban follows the same basic philosophy.

It disengenous to equate moral considerations of pre-marital sex , Pre-adult sex, and monogomy with an ignorance of sexuality...

The implications of a lack of sexual morals can be seen from the young single mother with a toddler and a baby sitting at the bus stop to the highest office of this nation...

This thread is now way off topic and has nothing to do with any D2 servers....IMHO... the issue should be disscussed elsewhere...

It is not only disengenous, it is down a down right lie to say I did. I have never mentioned Christianity, or Islam, or religion at all. It is just that you folks can't seem to separate a discussion of personal morality or scientific facts without reading implications of your creeds into it. You are projecting your religious biases into my words.

And it simply religious bigotry to equate American Christians with the Talibon....get a frickin grip.

Sure is, let me know when someone does. The fact remains that the Taliban have a similar take on sexuality and censorship as has been expressed by some here, which is to say that it should be buried and not discussed. The only difference is that here (the US per say) the extremist do not have the same level of control.

[FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC]

Well, Dizzy, I can now see the images, thankyou. The... errr.. 'enahanced' version seems a little out of proportion somehow... but the first one is fine. :-)

[kbf-jd]

Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.

The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.

 And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country.

Exactly. Ignorance of sexuality does not reduce Stud's or unwanted pregnancies, it increases them. No matter how many times this is shown scientifically, there are those that prefer to rely of "faith" (which is simply the willing suspension of disbelief) to be there scientific guide. I believe the Taliban follows the same basic philosophy.

It disingenuous to equate moral considerations of pre-marital sex , Pre-adult sex, and monogomy with an ignorance of sexuality...

The implications of a lack of sexual morals can be seen from the young single mother with a toddler and a baby sitting at the bus stop to the highest office of this nation...

This thread is now way off topic and has nothing to do with any D2 servers....IMHO... the issue should be disscussed elsewhere...

It is not only disingenuous, it is down a down right lie to say I did. I have never mentioned Christianity, or Islam, or religion at all. It is just that you folks can't seem to separate a discussion of personal morality or scientific facts without reading implications of your creeds into it. You are projecting your religious biases into my words.

And it simply religious bigotry to equate American Christians with the Talibon....get a frickin grip.

Sure is, let me know when someone does. The fact remains that the Taliban have a similar take on sexuality and censorship as has been expressed by some here, which is to say that it should be buried and not discussed. The only difference is that here (the US per say) the extremist do not have the same level of control.

Well, I suspect to get more negative Karma but here goes...

I do not go to church.  I own a bible, but have not read it recently.  But I read your post and came to exactly the same conclusion that Crim did.

The truth is, you are more religious than I am.  You blindly hold onto YOUR truths without thinking.

You believe that people are going to have sex, no matter what.  You believe people are no better than animals and are going to have sex.  I believe that we, as human beings can make a choice to have sex or not.  To you, that makes me a religious nut.  So I must be a right winger or talaban....

I believe that people make choices every day.  It's your life.

I dream of one day when you can turn "Jerry Springer" on and some guy will step up and say,  " You know, My mom was OK,  My dad was OK, I'm just a S4it head..."

It's time to get your head out of the tutu.  According to the www.who.int (the world health org) Europe is headed for a Aids problem of biblical proportions.  In part due to IV drug use and lack of "safe sex."

You want to stop AIDS?  Have people who have AIDS stop giving it to other people.  Yes, that means get your A$$ tested and if you are HIV positive, stop having sex or find a partner that is willing to share....

Ok, as recent as 4 years ago  this site  (*****  Warning do not click this unless you are willing to be offended http://www.thebody.com/sowadsky/barebacking.html  *******)  Warned that behavior could very well cause an increase of HIV cases.  Guess what?  And it's ALL ABOUT THE CHOICES WE MAKE.

Look, I want to take religion out of it and have people make smart choices.  But in your eyes, that makes me a religious biggot....

jd

[kbf-jd]

Well, Dizzy, I can now see the images, thankyou. The... errr.. 'enahanced' version seems a little out of proportion somehow... but the first one is fine. :-)

Tracey,

I have always enjoyed your sigs.  I did not get to see the sig in question.  I just wanted to ask, were you trying to "say" something with this sig?  Or were you kinda of just seeing "how far you can go." 

The reason I asked is, If you were trying to make a statement, then I am inclined to support that strongly.  But if you were "just pushing the envelope", I think that question has been answered and we can go home...

I like to see young people who feel strongly about their ideas stand behind them.  But I also respect people that realize when they are "jousting at windmills..."

jd

we banned of brothers....

[Cleaven]

Why do you pick on Europe for an AIDs problem when you should be looking to Asia and Africa? Sounds pretty bigotted to me.

[kbf-jd]

Why do you pick on Europe for an AIDs problem when you should be looking to Asia and Africa? Sounds pretty bigotted to me.

Cleaven,

If your responce was to me, Europe was mentioned by someone(leroy?) else as having an STD issue.  I just looked up the information.

Africa has a REAL problem that we should not ignore.  Actually, the southern part of africa has real problems.  North Africa and the middle east is fairly much in line with North America, Europe and North Aisa(China & Japan).  Southeast Asia has nearly the same issues as Africa.

I was not trying to "pick" on anyone.  I was trying to post within the context of other posters.

jd

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Well put, JD and Crim. Religion aside, logic dictates that a lax attitude toward sex inevitably leads to various hardships such as teen-age parenthood, chronic disease, and ,in the worst case, death. Unfortunately for the poor people involved, numerous instances have demonstrated that sex quite literally can kill. I'll grant you, Kroma, ignorance concerning sex doesn't prevent any of these things, but may actually aggravate the situation in many cases. In fact, I refuse to have any sort of sexual intercourse outside of marriage just because I'm familiar with the subject and am well aware of the potential consequences of sex, both good and ill. However, it doesn't necessarily follow that knowledge about sex translates directly into iron-clad protection from the repercussions thereof. Sex is a wonderful thing and it has its purpose, but, like anything else, if it's treated too lightly someone's gonna get hurt one way or the other.

[FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC]

Well, Dizzy, I can now see the images, thankyou. The... errr.. 'enahanced' version seems a little out of proportion somehow... but the first one is fine. :-)

Tracey,

I have always enjoyed your sigs.  I did not get to see the sig in question.  I just wanted to ask, were you trying to "say" something with this sig?  Or were you kinda of just seeing "how far you can go." 

The reason I asked is, If you were trying to make a statement, then I am inclined to support that strongly.  But if you were "just pushing the envelope", I think that question has been answered and we can go home...

I like to see young people who feel strongly about their ideas stand behind them.  But I also respect people that realize when they are "jousting at windmills..."

jd

we banned of brothers....

Actually, JD, the answer to your question is far simpler than that. I wasnt really saying anything at all by way of political statement. To be quite honest, call me naive if you will, I never once thought the sig pic contained any contraversy at all. As it stands though, it would appear that the slight discolouration of skin shown in a particular place on a cartoon image does just that. Again, the colour of our skin (and we are not even talking the whole body here) raises its ugly head as an issue of contention.

Currently, the only argument brought to bear, really, against the sig pic is that it is not 'appropriate' or not 'accepted' by society, whichever society that may be. No intrinsic argument has been brought forward, and I can tell you now, it never will be lol. One can make an intrinsic argument about the immorality of murder, no such argument exists for the image of the human body (that in itself suggests something quite serious).

I have never really been one to push the limits of authority simply for the sake of being a rebel. I will push limits if given a justified cause to do so (which probably falls into your first category anyway).

I would challenge anyone to bring forward an intrinsic moral argument aginst the sig pic. I can quite confidantly say now, without arrogance, that it is impossible to do so, but dont take my word for it, try it for yourselves. The arguments made here have all been extrinsic. Arguments quoting religious doctrine are not arguments at all and have zero to do with ethics or logic. Censorship made on intrinsic grounds then in this case, is simply untenable.

So why did I comply then and take down the sig pic? Well, these are not public forums, they are 'owned' by someone. Right or wrong, we reocognise the right of ownership of property and the right of the owner to keep, use, sell, give away or even destroy that property according to their wishes. The sig pic may have contained nothing more than a purple circle, but if the owner does not like purple, they could ask for its removal.