Topic: DC or Marvel?

[Chris SI]

Am I the only golden oldie fart on these boards?????? (Are you guys really such wet-eared babes???)

I think you missed my lead post about FF.

Also deserving of special mention, the Lee/Kirby Thors (115-179), Stan and Jazzy Johnny Romita's Spideys (47-100), Stan and Jack's Captain America (In Tales of Suspense), Strenko's Nick Fury, Agent of Shield, the short lived Lee/Buscema Silver Surfer 1-18, and tons of others.

I loved Marvel in the 60-80s, DC would do an occasional good book, but it never lasted. For example, DC revamped the Teen Titans as an X-Men rip off, and it well for about 5 years, before they ruined  it.

DC was best at off-beat stuff.

BTW, Kirby quickly grew tired of DC in the 70s, and returned to marvel in 76, but the magic was gone. There was also another problem with Jack's DC stuff, he had to be the world's worst at coming up with super hero names. Kirby never recaptured the brilliance of his mid 1960s-early 1970s work.

[E_Look]

Ah... Jim Steranko...

... Steve Ditko...

... Yeah, that's classic stuff.  I must have overlooked your post!

I'll give Marvel this edge, until Kirby came along to DC in the '70s,  Marvel had better fighting and battle sequences.

I wonder why Kirby petered out; I mean he was going sooo strong, until, I think he tried that Captain Kirk ripoff... Captain something or another... you know, if he died, he could switch his soul out into a cloned body.  It got boring after issue 1.

Hey, Mike, remember an artist by the name of Wayne Boring?  He did lots of Superman and Captain Marvel.

[Chris SI]

I remember Boring, he died a few years back.

[E_Look]

I didn't care for his renditions of people, particularly men, but he had some out-of-this-world (for a '40s & 50s style artist) sci-fi background designs, spaceships and rockets, ray guns, robots, etc.

Too bad (or so I heard on fan letter pages) that whenever he got on a comic book in the '60s, he drove all the readers and buyers away!  I think his style might be good for some posters and ads, these days, though.

[Chris SI]

What was considered good in the 40s was out by the late 60s.

A lot of artisits just couldn't handle the desire for more realism in comics.

[Don Karnage]

I liked the old Batman as well. What allot of people don't realize is that Bruce Wayne is not all together there. He is ever so close to becoming a serial killer and a flat out vigilante. He could give a flying hoot about Good and Justice just so long as they don't get in his way.
 Thats one of the main reasons Superman doesn't like him.

  That was before they got all PC and screwed it up.

i was wondering who is batman attacking?, since the punisher is attacking drug dealer drug lord and mafia, i was wondering who's batman attacking, the punisher is killing them but for batman i was wondering what he is doing to kinda stop the crime in is city?.

[E_Look]

Anybody remember Detective Comics?

More specifically, anybody remember the period that DC supersized their mags so as to charge more, and to charge more, they threw in some filler.

But in Detective Comics, there was a back of magazine filler feature called The Manhunter, a.k.a. Paul Kirk (every bit as superheroish as our intrepid and enterprising James Kirk).  It was well scripted, well drawn, and the themes and plot were a bit darker and superior (though that wasn't the reason) to the front of mag Batman feature.  (I recall my brother and I waiting anxiously for each installment... of the back feature!)

And toward the end, it kind of made its way to the front, so to speak, as Bats himself wound up being in it.  But would anyone agree that this might have really planted the seeds of making "The Dark Knight" a reality and such a hit?

It had intriguing intrigue, far-out (for its time) martial arts fighting, biotech themes, world order conspiracy themes, a way cool costume, and the guy wasn't afraid to do a bad guy in.

At the end, I think DC had the hero get killed.  My brother and I were waiting for a full-blown series with Paul Kirk (maybe even command a sta... nah!)

If I recall correctly, the artist/writer was one talented guy by the name of Walter Simonson, with a distinctive sig (... whatever these characters' real names are... ).

[J. Carney]

I liked the old Batman as well. What allot of people don't realize is that Bruce Wayne is not all together there. He is ever so close to becoming a serial killer and a flat out vigilante. He could give a flying hoot about Good and Justice just so long as they don't get in his way.
 Thats one of the main reasons Superman doesn't like him.

  That was before they got all PC and screwed it up.

i was wondering who is batman attacking?, since the punisher is attacking drug dealer drug lord and mafia, i was wondering who's batman attacking, the punisher is killing them but for batman i was wondering what he is doing to kinda stop the crime in is city?.

The original Batman was a sociopath and suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder due to the loss of his parents in a back-alley robbery while he was a child.

He was out to 'end crime' in Gotham City to keep the same thing from happening to another kid. Of course, the 'ending crime' was greatly aided by a pair of Colt .45's and a lot of things that went *BOOM* in the night. Batman originally didn't worry about the body count- he just killed untill the crime stopped for a while, then reloaded his mags, built some more booby traps and waited for things to start up again.

[Chris SI]

I vaguely remember that series, he was sort of a outer-space bounty hunter.

Simonsen is well known of course, as the man who made Thor hot in the 1980s, by using portions of Norse Myth and compelling story lines and back-up characters that had long been missing from Thor, who, oddly enough, had some of teh best Sci-Fi stories of the 1960s.

It was in Thor that the concept of the 'New Men' was born, animals that were advanced by the god-like high Evolutionary, on his Wundagore moutain, into man-like knights who were to be the fore-front of an Army of light. This was before planet of the apes, with the talking monkees. Thos also met the Colonizers of Rigel, a super advanced race who don't really colonize, but take over planets using advanced Rigellian technology. Thos even discovered the orgin of the World devouring Galactis, who was the last survivor of the PREVIOUS universe, before in contracted and the 'Big Bang' created the universe we know.

[Lono]

Batman is by far my favorite superhero - but I have to go with the Marvel Universe here.

Especially after watching this season of Justice League Unlimited - almost all the new heros being introduced are really rather moronic, childish creations...

Now the Batman and Superman Animated Series of a few years back - they were pretty slick!

[Ravok]

Batman is by far my favorite superhero - but I have to go with the Marvel Universe here.



Now the Batman and Superman Animated Series of a few years back - they were pretty slick!

 Yes it was!!!! I never missed an episode. Its too bad, they went to the kiddy crud,
Even the story lines are lame. 

[Abfalter]

Marvel, all the way.  They always seemed more believable to me.  (This is based on 20 year old comics experience, I do not read them much lately).

I always loved the Fantastic Four.  I was also fanatic about a short-lived series called "Nova".

[Chris SI]

Nova made a comeback in the 90s, and was again short lived.

He did find a home in the New Warriors, a marvel team book of teen super heroes.

[Clark Kent]

Batman is by far my favorite superhero - but I have to go with the Marvel Universe here.

Especially after watching this season of Justice League Unlimited - almost all the new heros being introduced are really rather moronic, childish creations...

Now the Batman and Superman Animated Series of a few years back - they were pretty slick!

I'll agree with you that JLU isn't as good as it's predacessor, but maybe it'll shape up a bit.  The martian Manhunter rocked, and I'd like to see him back in action again, and while there are other cool superheroes in the DC universe, JLU seems to focus on loser ones.  Also, the older batman and superman cartoons really did rock, didn't they?  Wish they had kept them going more.