Topic: GG, Alliance...nice campaign, Admins!

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

I just wanted to take the time to post a thanks to everyone involved in the latest stage of the GW series.  I had a really good time and I appreciate the the efforts of all involved...those intrepid Alliance captains who faced off against us and the admins who did all the work bringing the campaign to us.


Again...a heart felt thanks, guys...I had fun and I appreciate your efforts.

[Green]

Was a great game ...


Except for Korma's exploits in the Alliance locker room ... I don't want to talk about it though ... the horror, the horror ...

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Was a great game ...


Except for Korma's exploits in the Alliance locker room ... I don't want to talk about it though ... the horror, the horror ...

Kroma never ceases to nauseate...lol!

[KBFLordKrueg]

Through many trials and tribulations...it was a blast and we appreciate all the efforts put into it by all!  

[KBF-Nail]

Yup Great Game to All

[Ronin]

< S >  Indeed... was a good time. Thanks to my Alliance comrades and hats off to the Coalition for a war well fought.

Respects and kind regards...

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

< S >  Indeed... was a good time. Thanks to my Alliance comrades and hats off to the Coalition for a war well fought.

Respects and kind regards...

Hey..if you speak to Dax before I do...(or if Dax see this...hehe).  Good game in that mission we were in as the campaign ended....chewed up my rear shields good!  I would have stayed longer, but my kid was getting rowdy.  That Z-HDWV is a monster...!

[madelf]

Truly guys, the GW series is a total blast, very well concieved and executed.

I was just musing today, that isn't it awesome that the mirak are done with the general war, right after their HW got taken?  Almost like it was scripted!

[Walleye]

A big Thank You to the Admin's and scripters and anyone else involved. I had alot of fun.

[OlBuzzard]

A big Thank You to the Admin's and scripters and anyone else involved. I had alot of fun.

Ditto ...  Thanks for the time you put into making this happen !!

[GDA-Agave]

Many thanks to the GW server admins, and many more to our worthy foes that truly made this server a fun event.

This was the most stable server (technically) that I can remember in recent months.   Well done to the admins.

Another worthy well done to the Alliance pilots who fought valiantly against a sea of red.    Could someone please just tell Kreug that he can put his bullwhip away.   Talk about being whipped into line!!

Oh yes, everyone please remember, ALWAYS CHECK THE FORUMS BEFORE YOU GET ONTO THE SERVER.   The Lord and Master Kreug was not happy with us that didn't at times.    Heheheheheh.   Sorry, couldn't resist.


Agave
#1 Klingon lackey (272 K lifetime prestige)

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

< S >  Indeed... was a good time. Thanks to my Alliance comrades and hats off to the Coalition for a war well fought.

Respects and kind regards...

Hey..if you speak to Dax before I do...(or if Dax see this...hehe).  Good game in that mission we were in as the campaign ended....chewed up my rear shields good!  I would have stayed longer, but my kid was getting rowdy.  That Z-HDWV is a monster...!


...In the hands of someone in touch with his feline side.    Thanks!

[KBFLordKrueg]

Many thanks to the GW server admins, and many more to our worthy foes that truly made this server a fun event.

This was the most stable server (technically) that I can remember in recent months.   Well done to the admins.

Another worthy well done to the Alliance pilots who fought valiantly against a sea of red.    Could someone please just tell Kreug that he can put his bullwhip away.   Talk about being whipped into line!!

Oh yes, everyone please remember, ALWAYS CHECK THE FORUMS BEFORE YOU GET ONTO THE SERVER.   The Lord and Master Kreug was not happy with us that didn't at times.    Heheheheheh.   Sorry, couldn't resist.


Agave
#1 Klingon lackey (272 K lifetime prestige)

  Whipped? I prefer "persuaded"    And sorry about the "check the forums" all the time, but, we Admin types spent so much time making posts, especially the "motivate to a blood frenzy" posts that we always appreciate all Warriors checking there.
And I have a real bullwhip, a full 14 ft long...and I know how to use it..heh...My grandfather was a cattle rancher and taught me to use it as a youngster while rounding up the cattle each night to the stockade. So, WATCH IT! 

[FPF-Bach]

Yes, a big thanks to the admins.

VeryGG to the Coaltion.  This is the first campaign I've put in alot of time on for a while, looking forward to the next one though.

Regards to all involved.

[Lepton]

Good idea, bad server numbers.  Fix it or forget it.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Actually, the Alliance turnout the second week was huge. For a while there, the Coalition was lucky to even hold any ground against them. But, by then, most of the damage had been done by the Coalition.
Perhaps next time, they'll show up a little earlier in the campaign...?
A liitle notification and organization go a long way...

[KBF-Nail]

I want too say thanks to the COalition Pilots Who let me kill them even though they were my allies. Hats off too


Pardeks C10K-Dead
Bens-DWD-Dead
FireHawks-D7W-Dead

Once again thnks for letting me tractor u guys was great

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Actually, the Alliance turnout the second week was huge. For a while there, the Coalition was lucky to even hold any ground against them. But, by then, most of the damage had been done by the Coalition.
Perhaps next time, they'll show up a little earlier in the campaign...?
A liitle notification and organization go a long way...

Bumping back the server by 2 weeks as was needed, basically threw away this alliance pilot's ability to play week one due to real life requirements. There was no way I could show up in week one and perhaps others may have been in that boat too. If this campaign had started on aug. 7th as originally planned, I could have played both weeks. Maybe things would have been a bit different for others as well, then again, maybe not. Either way, I don't care for the the way your post ends here. It's insulting.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Yes, a big thanks to the admins.

VeryGG to the Coaltion.  This is the first campaign I've put in alot of time on for a while, looking forward to the next one though.

Regards to all involved.

I think I might have earned about 150K on GW1...only about 75K on GW2....on GW3 I actually got up to about 200k after taking two months off from the game.  The first week was spend enduring the excruciating pain of flying a C8B.  I flew a C8K for about a day and then gave of the dread to Nail who got to turn it into a C10K the next day.  A few days later, I was reacquainted with the sublime joy of flying a C7...something I hadn't done in a very long time....couldn't even remember the last time since I never got one during any of the other stages of the GW series.


Good stuff...I'm spent, but it was fun.  I'll take another break and come back refreshed.  These two-week campaigns are great.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

< S >  Indeed... was a good time. Thanks to my Alliance comrades and hats off to the Coalition for a war well fought.

Respects and kind regards...

Hey..if you speak to Dax before I do...(or if Dax see this...hehe).  Good game in that mission we were in as the campaign ended....chewed up my rear shields good!  I would have stayed longer, but my kid was getting rowdy.  That Z-HDWV is a monster...!

...In the hands of someone in touch with his feline side.    Thanks!

Heh...well, I was pretty exhausted by the time we got into the match.  I'd been on the server for about 10 hours by the time we hooked up.  I knew you were a capable pilot and I knew those Kzin HDWVs were tough ships...we'd lost a dread to one during GW1.  I was playing it pretty safe during the match.  Once they said the campaign was over, the fight went out of me...I'd been on all day and I was just spent. Jessie was screaming about something right next to me and I just decided to tuck tail and run...heheh.


You played it well, though...no doubt about it.  I was just trying to run out your AMD and get rid of those fighters then go to work with my own tools.  3 and 4 AMD racks on those Kzin HDws seems like too much.  By contrast, the 1 AMD12, 2xPh3 and 4 tractors I had were not quite as impressive...heheh.  I was often using most of my phasers for PD.


I tell ya what...by the time GW3 was over, I well and truly tired of fast drones, MIRVs and ships with 3+ AMD racks! 

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Actually, the Alliance turnout the second week was huge. For a while there, the Coalition was lucky to even hold any ground against them. But, by then, most of the damage had been done by the Coalition.
Perhaps next time, they'll show up a little earlier in the campaign...?
A liitle notification and organization go a long way...

Actually, these days, I don't think you can really think of either side as being unorganized or without notice.  I'm sure the Alliance did every bit of the preperation we did.  They got hurt by people they were hoping would show not showing.  I think both sides have an equal level of organization and skill playing the game.  The rest comes down to luck, the way the battle plans match up and numbers.

Sometimes, it just comes down to who can and will show up and for how long.  We started strong...tailed off during the second week and then came back during the last couple of days.  It was mainly RL that drew our guys off (I was one that played little from Sunday to Wednesday)...as well as the drama that occured last weekend.


Hey...I'm as happy as anyone that we dodged the potential bullet that GW3 had a chance to be...but I don't think we did as well as we did because the other side wasn't organized or didn't have proper notice.  Many people know I was hoping for a break-even third stage in the series.  That was really my best case scenario...heheh.  Our plan worked out very well given the situation and I was pretty pleased.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

"Heh...well, I was pretty exhausted by the time we got into the match.  I'd been on the server for about 10 hours by the time we hooked up.  I knew you were a capable pilot and I knew those Kzin HDWVs were tough ships...we'd lost a dread to one during GW1.  I was playing it pretty safe during the match.  Once they said the campaign was over, the fight went out of me...I'd been on all day and I was just spent. Jessie was screaming about something right next to me and I just decided to tuck tail and run...heheh.


You played it well, though...no doubt about it.  I was just trying to run out your AMD and get rid of those fighters then go to work with my own tools.  3 and 4 AMD racks on those Kzin HDws seems like too much.  By contrast, the 1 AMD12, 2xPh3 and 4 tractors I had were not quite as impressive...heheh.  I was often using most of my phasers for PD.


I tell ya what...by the time GW3 was over, I well and truly tired of fast drones, MIRVs and ships with 3+ AMD racks!" 


...and then me in the middle of 10 evening shifts averaging 6 hours asleep a day while  being on anti-biotics for 2 weeks now and not flying the race I have flown for 3 to 4 years etc...... how about just GG and leave it there?

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

"Heh...well, I was pretty exhausted by the time we got into the match.  I'd been on the server for about 10 hours by the time we hooked up.  I knew you were a capable pilot and I knew those Kzin HDWVs were tough ships...we'd lost a dread to one during GW1.  I was playing it pretty safe during the match.  Once they said the campaign was over, the fight went out of me...I'd been on all day and I was just spent. Jessie was screaming about something right next to me and I just decided to tuck tail and run...heheh.


You played it well, though...no doubt about it.  I was just trying to run out your AMD and get rid of those fighters then go to work with my own tools.  3 and 4 AMD racks on those Kzin HDws seems like too much.  By contrast, the 1 AMD12, 2xPh3 and 4 tractors I had were not quite as impressive...heheh.  I was often using most of my phasers for PD.


I tell ya what...by the time GW3 was over, I well and truly tired of fast drones, MIRVs and ships with 3+ AMD racks!" 


...and then me in the middle of 10 evening shifts averaging 6 hours asleep a day while  being on anti-biotics for 2 weeks now and not flying the race I have flown for 3 to 4 years etc...... how about just GG and leave it there?

Sure...was just taking about the match.  If you don't want to, that's cool.   I had a good time in it and was just relating my point of view.  One of the things I've always enjoyed about this game is talking it over with my opponents after.  Guess the feeling isn't mutual.

[_SSCF_Hooch]

I want too say thanks to the COalition Pilots Who let me kill them even though they were my allies. Hats off too


Pardeks C10K-Dead
Bens-DWD-Dead
FireHawks-D7W-Dead

Once again thnks for letting me tractor u guys was great

Nice to see that you all a Maverick too. 

[KBF-WillWeasel]

God help the side that gets both Maverick and Nail.

Could you imagine if you had both of them as wingmates in a mission? May as well kiss yer butt goodbye.

[Soreyes]

It was a very fun campaign

I hope that I provided a sutable moving target for all you Klingons

[KDS-KYTARH]

Hey I flew an entire night with Dizzy as my wing and never got killed once.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

I've had the same experience over the last few servers with the same result, only I wasn't his ally.....

<Snicker>

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

"Heh...well, I was pretty exhausted by the time we got into the match.  I'd been on the server for about 10 hours by the time we hooked up.  I knew you were a capable pilot and I knew those Kzin HDWVs were tough ships...we'd lost a dread to one during GW1.  I was playing it pretty safe during the match.  Once they said the campaign was over, the fight went out of me...I'd been on all day and I was just spent. Jessie was screaming about something right next to me and I just decided to tuck tail and run...heheh.


You played it well, though...no doubt about it.  I was just trying to run out your AMD and get rid of those fighters then go to work with my own tools.  3 and 4 AMD racks on those Kzin HDws seems like too much.  By contrast, the 1 AMD12, 2xPh3 and 4 tractors I had were not quite as impressive...heheh.  I was often using most of my phasers for PD.


I tell ya what...by the time GW3 was over, I well and truly tired of fast drones, MIRVs and ships with 3+ AMD racks!" 


...and then me in the middle of 10 evening shifts averaging 6 hours asleep a day while  being on anti-biotics for 2 weeks now and not flying the race I have flown for 3 to 4 years etc...... how about just GG and leave it there?

Sure...was just taking about the match.  If you don't want to, that's cool.   I had a good time in it and was just relating my point of view.  One of the things I've always enjoyed about this game is talking it over with my opponents after.  Guess the feeling isn't mutual.

I don't mind discussing the game, it's the way your text reads.  It comes off as good job Dax, but that you were tired and distracted. It further undercuts the original compliment, suggesting that I had the better ship and supposes that I was well rested, free of distractions and so forth, which wasn't the case,  creating an unlevel playing field for you. I have asked a couple of others to read your post and they took it the same way. This is why I posted  can't we just leave it at good game?

Breaking it down tactically, I see this as a fairly balanced match. I believe you were flying an FDW with 45 engine power, 1.00 move ratio, 2 dizzy 3s, 8 ph-1s. 2 ph-2s, 2 ph-3s, 2 amd Bs, 2 B racks slightly better shields than mine and likely better hull compared to a destroyer. You should have had more marines and double the t-bombs, have 2 and a half times more transporters compared to me and so forth.

The HDWVm is classed a light cruiser not a heavy, has 28 power @ .67 ratio. Slighty inferior shields and likely weaker hull, I'm sure someone out there will correct me if I am wrong on that point. 2 dizzy 2s, 3 ph-1s, 2 ph-3s, 1 mirv and 2 C racks and 3 G racks, 2 AMD A.(not the 3 to 4 AMDs you have observed on other ships) It has a total of 7 fighters that were draining your amd and phasers. It could not afford to do speed 31 game and run a lot of ecm and arm dizzies. It did not have the longer reaching dizzies or even half of the 8 ph-1s.



Turning to Kreug now, even you realised how he came off with the following. 

"Perhaps next time, they'll show up a little earlier in the campaign...?
A liitle notification and organization go a long way... "

Not exactly the comments a gracious victor would choose.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Turning to Kreug now, even you realised how he came off with the following. 

"Perhaps next time, they'll show up a little earlier in the campaign...?
A liitle notification and organization go a long way... "

Not exactly the comments a gracious victor would choose.

  What I was trying to say obviously came out wrong since it seems to have been interpreted that way you, sir.
The first half of this campaign there was a large numbers advantage for the coalition, which was unexpected by us. We actually expected just the opposite. I know the Alliance Powers-that-be put out a call to it's pilots to motivate them to get online, and it was a huge success. The numbers swug back to the Alliance side and the coalition was hard pressed to hold the vast amounts of territory we had taken in Mirak space. And those numbers held, all week. If it had been that way throughout the campaign, things would have gone much differently, to be sure.
I wasn't trying to be asinine about it or anything, you have msiinterprted it or I simply put it unclearly, something, I don't know.
I know there is always RL stuff that affects pilot's ability to play online, I think we all understand that.
Let's not start something over what is  a misinterprtation of words.
It's just not worth it, sir. 

[OlBuzzard]

****  SIGH  ******

I really am tired of the constant nit-picking at each other.  There are some things I absolutely hate about the current ship list ...  but for what ever it is worth:

1.  I know most of ya well enough to know that I'm the LAST person you will listen to about a ship list ..   but I still showed up and tried to play at least a little. 

2.  I want to express a "hats off salute" to those who put this togeather. 

3.  For the most part everyone has been civil.

4.  The "balance issue" has never been totally settled ...  and I don't like some of the stuff that is in here compared to the original OP..   but please note  I AM NOT HERE TO TEAR others down.

PLEASE GUYS ...   GIVE IT A REST  before some thing gets out of hand !!!  PLEASE !!!

 

[762_XC]

I'll withold my raucous belly laugh until the post-mortem is posted.

[OlBuzzard]

****  SIGH  ******

I really am tired of the constant nit-picking at each other.  There are some things I absolutely hate about the current ship list ...  but for what ever it is worth:

1.  I know most of ya well enough to know that I'm the LAST person you will listen to about a ship list ..   but I still showed up and tried to play at least a little. 

2.  I want to express a "hats off salute" to those who put this togeather. 

3.  For the most part everyone has been civil.

4.  The "balance issue" has never been totally settled ...  and I don't like some of the stuff that is in here compared to the original OP..   but please note  I AM NOT HERE TO TEAR others down.

PLEASE GUYS ...   GIVE IT A REST  before some thing gets out of hand !!!  PLEASE !!!

 

hey ....  psst  ..  just as this does not make any sense ..  other than letting things go..   neither does the rest of the rest of the "nit-picking" make sense to me ...

I know ..  waaaaaaaaay  off the path kind of stuff ..   but maybe we can just move on to the next project.

Over all I appreciate the opportunity to play ( even if it was on such a limited amount of time)

Thanks again ...   and thanks for putting up with my some what odd means of communicating this point !

[WarSears]

Dog and Kruge Why even bother talking to these guy you should know that you cant say anything right.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Dog and Kruge Why even bother talking to these guy you should know that you cant say anything right.

Actually Sears I think in this case getting it out in the open was good.  I don't think either Kruge or Doggy intentionally meant anything derogatory, so when it was brought up that it was interpreted that way and they posted again to clarify what they meant it it was a good thing, and also an example of how comments can be taken differently from intended.

I salute Doggy and Kreug on their clarifications, and I salute the calling out of the origional post in a basically polite manner, giving them a chance to clarify, rather than harboring a resentment for something that the origional poster had no clue about.  If the "call out" had not been made, likely Ill will would have festered about those comments, and if a totally inflamatory "call out" had been made tempers would have likely flared by all parties, and the general spectating community.  I think all should be applauded for their actions.

Hiding ones head in the sand is just as bad as flaming with malice.  Stating a disagreement or disaproval of a post in a civil manner is quite productive if all keep their cool.  Usually if we can manage that, most disputes can be settled, or at least put to rest.

[OlBuzzard]

Dog and Kruge Why even bother talking to these guy you should know that you cant say anything right.

Perhaps my reasction is some what overly conserviative.  I had no intention of giving any of the wrong opinion of an legitimate discussion.   On the other hand, gentlemen, how often has this gone the other way and what was ment to be a civil discussion on perhaps the technical aspects of the game turns south and becomes very ugly???

I hope this is not turning into a WHO is making a comment, in order to be appreciated ..  rather than an honest attempt to see things progress in a positive mannar.

Perhaps it's best I simply stay out of here. 

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

"Heh...well, I was pretty exhausted by the time we got into the match.  I'd been on the server for about 10 hours by the time we hooked up.  I knew you were a capable pilot and I knew those Kzin HDWVs were tough ships...we'd lost a dread to one during GW1.  I was playing it pretty safe during the match.  Once they said the campaign was over, the fight went out of me...I'd been on all day and I was just spent. Jessie was screaming about something right next to me and I just decided to tuck tail and run...heheh.


You played it well, though...no doubt about it.  I was just trying to run out your AMD and get rid of those fighters then go to work with my own tools.  3 and 4 AMD racks on those Kzin HDws seems like too much.  By contrast, the 1 AMD12, 2xPh3 and 4 tractors I had were not quite as impressive...heheh.  I was often using most of my phasers for PD.


I tell ya what...by the time GW3 was over, I well and truly tired of fast drones, MIRVs and ships with 3+ AMD racks!" 


...and then me in the middle of 10 evening shifts averaging 6 hours asleep a day while  being on anti-biotics for 2 weeks now and not flying the race I have flown for 3 to 4 years etc...... how about just GG and leave it there?

Sure...was just taking about the match.  If you don't want to, that's cool.   I had a good time in it and was just relating my point of view.  One of the things I've always enjoyed about this game is talking it over with my opponents after.  Guess the feeling isn't mutual.

I don't mind discussing the game, it's the way your text reads.  It comes off as good job Dax, but that you were tired and distracted. It further undercuts the original compliment, suggesting that I had the better ship and supposes that I was well rested, free of distractions and so forth, which wasn't the case,  creating an unlevel playing field for you. I have asked a couple of others to read your post and they took it the same way. This is why I posted  can't we just leave it at good game?

Breaking it down tactically, I see this as a fairly balanced match. I believe you were flying an FDW with 45 engine power, 1.00 move ratio, 2 dizzy 3s, 8 ph-1s. 2 ph-2s, 2 ph-3s, 2 amd Bs, 2 B racks slightly better shields than mine and likely better hull compared to a destroyer. You should have had more marines and double the t-bombs, have 2 and a half times more transporters compared to me and so forth.

The HDWVm is classed a light cruiser not a heavy, has 28 power @ .67 ratio. Slighty inferior shields and likely weaker hull, I'm sure someone out there will correct me if I am wrong on that point. 2 dizzy 2s, 3 ph-1s, 2 ph-3s, 1 mirv and 2 C racks and 3 G racks, 2 AMD A.(not the 3 to 4 AMDs you have observed on other ships) It has a total of 7 fighters that were draining your amd and phasers. It could not afford to do speed 31 game and run a lot of ecm and arm dizzies. It did not have the longer reaching dizzies or even half of the 8 ph-1s.



Turning to Kreug now, even you realised how he came off with the following. 

"Perhaps next time, they'll show up a little earlier in the campaign...?
A liitle notification and organization go a long way... "

Not exactly the comments a gracious victor would choose.

Correction, I had a C7V (and I didn't deploy my fighters once), not an FDW.  If I had had an FDW, I'd have been a lot less cautious.  I'd have been all over you...heheh.


I see what you mean, though.  I didn't mean it the way you seem to have taken it.  I was merely trying to tell it from my point of view and to let you know why I was being so cautious and then why, rather than HETing to easily stop from getting herded off the map, I just disengaged.  That was all I meant.

When I mentioned I was tired of what I said I was tired of...it had nothing at all to do with you.  It was all the AI fighting I'd done the past couple of days up to that point. 
All the fast drones, MIRVs and ships with 3+ AMD was just getting tiresome.  My comment there was meant in general, nothing to do specifically with you.

I did not assume that your situation was not simular.  I didn't assume anything where you were concerned.  I merely told you my situation...that is all.  When I'm thinking something about you..I'll come right out and tell you...directly and specifically.  Trust me. 



I hope this helps.  If not...just hit with with another negative karma.  It's all good. 



BTW....you didn't know what I was flying, and apparently, I knew what you were flying better than you did.  Your ship had 2xAMD12 and 2xAMD6.  You would not have chewed up all the drones you chewed up with merely 2xAMD6...heheh.  That you had FOUR AMD racks was a major reason I hadn't deployed fighters yet.  Four AMD racks...six drone racks (1 MIRV, 12x drone control) ...7 fighters on a HDW.  I don't know about you, but my personal  opinion is that that's a gob of firepower on a small ship and something a C7 ought be a llittle wary of.  See my point?

[el-Karnak]

A big Thank You to the Admin's and scripters and anyone else involved. I had alot of fun.

Ditto ...  Thanks for the time you put into making this happen !!

Thank you. Always good to read these posts.

GW3 was a pretty good server.

I am going to take this post to say adieu to the community. I am kinda of bummed out that since SS2 (ie. over 1 year ago) there are no serious quality servers using the ISC so the game has really lost its lustre pour moi. It was fun for a while exploring the different races like Kzin, Hydran and Fed, plus all the great TCP/IP games as Klingon to bring back the old SFB memories, but like Dorothy says: "There's no place like home."  I am a pretty devoted player to my chosen race. Before SFC, it was Klingon of umpteen years. After turning the page on the Empire, I moved onto the ISC without looking back. But, there really is not much to look forward to for the ISC player in dyna play, so it's time to move on to other games (there are really a lot of intriguing new games hitting the market too!!) and GZLeague play.

Thanks to everyone that enjoyed the EEK missions. I hoped they made a buggy game a little less buggy and more enjoyable. And to those that wish they were easier...you may call me a "bastard" at your leisure. *snicker*

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

"Heh...well, I was pretty exhausted by the time we got into the match.  I'd been on the server for about 10 hours by the time we hooked up.  I knew you were a capable pilot and I knew those Kzin HDWVs were tough ships...we'd lost a dread to one during GW1.  I was playing it pretty safe during the match.  Once they said the campaign was over, the fight went out of me...I'd been on all day and I was just spent. Jessie was screaming about something right next to me and I just decided to tuck tail and run...heheh.


You played it well, though...no doubt about it.  I was just trying to run out your AMD and get rid of those fighters then go to work with my own tools.  3 and 4 AMD racks on those Kzin HDws seems like too much.  By contrast, the 1 AMD12, 2xPh3 and 4 tractors I had were not quite as impressive...heheh.  I was often using most of my phasers for PD.


I tell ya what...by the time GW3 was over, I well and truly tired of fast drones, MIRVs and ships with 3+ AMD racks!" 


...and then me in the middle of 10 evening shifts averaging 6 hours asleep a day while  being on anti-biotics for 2 weeks now and not flying the race I have flown for 3 to 4 years etc...... how about just GG and leave it there?

Sure...was just taking about the match.  If you don't want to, that's cool.   I had a good time in it and was just relating my point of view.  One of the things I've always enjoyed about this game is talking it over with my opponents after.  Guess the feeling isn't mutual.

I don't mind discussing the game, it's the way your text reads.  It comes off as good job Dax, but that you were tired and distracted. It further undercuts the original compliment, suggesting that I had the better ship and supposes that I was well rested, free of distractions and so forth, which wasn't the case,  creating an unlevel playing field for you. I have asked a couple of others to read your post and they took it the same way. This is why I posted  can't we just leave it at good game?

Breaking it down tactically, I see this as a fairly balanced match. I believe you were flying an FDW with 45 engine power, 1.00 move ratio, 2 dizzy 3s, 8 ph-1s. 2 ph-2s, 2 ph-3s, 2 amd Bs, 2 B racks slightly better shields than mine and likely better hull compared to a destroyer. You should have had more marines and double the t-bombs, have 2 and a half times more transporters compared to me and so forth.

The HDWVm is classed a light cruiser not a heavy, has 28 power @ .67 ratio. Slighty inferior shields and likely weaker hull, I'm sure someone out there will correct me if I am wrong on that point. 2 dizzy 2s, 3 ph-1s, 2 ph-3s, 1 mirv and 2 C racks and 3 G racks, 2 AMD A.(not the 3 to 4 AMDs you have observed on other ships) It has a total of 7 fighters that were draining your amd and phasers. It could not afford to do speed 31 game and run a lot of ecm and arm dizzies. It did not have the longer reaching dizzies or even half of the 8 ph-1s.



Turning to Kreug now, even you realised how he came off with the following. 

"Perhaps next time, they'll show up a little earlier in the campaign...?
A liitle notification and organization go a long way... "

Not exactly the comments a gracious victor would choose.

Correction, I had a C7V (and I didn't deploy my fighters once), not an FDW.  If I had had an FDW, I'd have been a lot less cautious.  I'd have been all over you...heheh.


I see what you mean, though.  I didn't mean it the way you seem to have taken it.  I was merely trying to tell it from my point of view and to let you know why I was being so cautious and then why, rather than HETing to easily stop from getting herded off the map, I just disengaged.  That was all I meant.

When I mentioned I was tired of what I said I was tired of...it had nothing at all to do with you.  It was all the AI fighting I'd done the past couple of days up to that point. 
All the fast drones, MIRVs and ships with 3+ AMD was just getting tiresome.  My comment there was meant in general, nothing to do specifically with you.

I did not assume that your situation was not simular.  I didn't assume anything where you were concerned.  I merely told you my situation...that is all.  When I'm thinking something about you..I'll come right out and tell you...directly and specifically.  Trust me. 



I hope this helps.  If not...just hit with with another negative karma.  It's all good. 



BTW....you didn't know what I was flying, and apparently, I knew what you were flying better than you did.  Your ship had 2xAMD12 and 2xAMD6.  You would not have chewed up all the drones you chewed up with merely 2xAMD6...heheh.  That you had FOUR AMD racks was a major reason I hadn't deployed fighters yet.  Four AMD racks...six drone racks (1 MIRV, 12x drone control) ...7 fighters on a HDW.  I don't know about you, but my personal  opinion is that that's a gob of firepower on a small ship and something a C7 ought be a llittle wary of.  See my point?

Thanks. Unfortunately my film room doesn't like to replay dyna missions, the last one that worked was with shadowlord in an FDW. My bad there. I would think that I knew what you were flying at the time. I guess that the previous mission was burned into my memory, it was an intense close game as well. If I were you, I would have released those fighters of yours on defensive and  probably shut down some or all of your dizzies until you bled me dry of missiles. This would have allowed you to save some amd, run better ecm while running fast and charging your phasers for point defence and perhaps at times, more shield reinforcement. Staying close to your fighters would have allowed mutual point defence protection. I recall a few phaser shots where I manually targeted  missiles heading for my fighters.
 I understand the caution of not wanting to give up VCs in your BCH, otherwise though I look at the C7(V) with 1 less power and 2 more dizzies and think you are in much better shape tactically for the match than in an FDW. Turn off 2 dizzies and by comparison , you have 44 vs 45 engine power, 2 more ph-1s for point defence or phaser boating and some fighters, plus BCH shields and hull. I personally would be a lot less worried in the C7-V than an FDW. I'd be respectfull of the potential of the war destroyer, but many more options exist with your BCH carrier.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

A big Thank You to the Admin's and scripters and anyone else involved. I had alot of fun.

Ditto ...  Thanks for the time you put into making this happen !!

Thank you. Always good to read these posts.

GW3 was a pretty good server.

I am going to take this post to say adieu to the community. I am kinda of bummed out that since SS2 (ie. over 1 year ago) there are no serious quality servers using the ISC so the game has really lost its lustre pour moi. It was fun for a while exploring the different races like Kzin, Hydran and Fed, plus all the great TCP/IP games as Klingon to bring back the old SFB memories, but like Dorothy says: "There's no place like home."  I am a pretty devoted player to my chosen race. Before SFC, it was Klingon of umpteen years. After turning the page on the Empire, I moved onto the ISC without looking back. But, there really is not much to look forward to for the ISC player in dyna play, so it's time to move on to other games (there are really a lot of intriguing new games hitting the market too!!) and GZLeague play.

Thanks to everyone that enjoyed the EEK missions. I hoped they made a buggy game a little less buggy and more enjoyable. And to those that wish they were easier...you may call me a "bastard" at your leisure. *snicker*

 I have enjoyed your missions and I'm thankful for your efforts! 

[KAT J'inn]

Thanks for your efforts Frog Boy.

However . . . before you go hoping off to your lilly pad . . .  I was thinking of trying a SFB bases ISC Invasion type Series of Server after the GW series ends.   Each server being a different sector of space under ISC attack.   It just seemed like the right thing to do chronologically.     

[Julin Eurthyr]

Thanks for your efforts Frog Boy.

However . . . before you go hoping off to your lilly pad . . .  I was thinking of trying a SFB bases ISC Invasion type Series of Server after the GW series ends.   Each server being a different sector of space under ISC attack.   It just seemed like the right thing to do chronologically.     

Just to see if I got the concept down correctly...

a series (7?) of servers where it's ISC vs. each individual race, to signify the "war of pacification"...

How are you planning on filling out the Froggy ranks for each run???

This sounds like a reason for the Froggies to chill around here for a while...

[KAT J'inn]

a series (7?) of servers where it's ISC vs. each individual race, to signify the "war of pacification"...

Not that many,  more of a regional thingy.  Details pending (Read: I don't have a frikkin clue yet.)

How are you planning on filling out the Froggy ranks for each run???

Large quanities of cheese. j/k

Well a planning committee will be formed and we'll <blah> <blah> <blah>  (Read: Stop asking pesky specifics questions! I got a headache!) 

<snicker>

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

"Heh...well, I was pretty exhausted by the time we got into the match.  I'd been on the server for about 10 hours by the time we hooked up.  I knew you were a capable pilot and I knew those Kzin HDWVs were tough ships...we'd lost a dread to one during GW1.  I was playing it pretty safe during the match.  Once they said the campaign was over, the fight went out of me...I'd been on all day and I was just spent. Jessie was screaming about something right next to me and I just decided to tuck tail and run...heheh.


You played it well, though...no doubt about it.  I was just trying to run out your AMD and get rid of those fighters then go to work with my own tools.  3 and 4 AMD racks on those Kzin HDws seems like too much.  By contrast, the 1 AMD12, 2xPh3 and 4 tractors I had were not quite as impressive...heheh.  I was often using most of my phasers for PD.


I tell ya what...by the time GW3 was over, I well and truly tired of fast drones, MIRVs and ships with 3+ AMD racks!" 


...and then me in the middle of 10 evening shifts averaging 6 hours asleep a day while  being on anti-biotics for 2 weeks now and not flying the race I have flown for 3 to 4 years etc...... how about just GG and leave it there?

Sure...was just taking about the match.  If you don't want to, that's cool.   I had a good time in it and was just relating my point of view.  One of the things I've always enjoyed about this game is talking it over with my opponents after.  Guess the feeling isn't mutual.

I don't mind discussing the game, it's the way your text reads.  It comes off as good job Dax, but that you were tired and distracted. It further undercuts the original compliment, suggesting that I had the better ship and supposes that I was well rested, free of distractions and so forth, which wasn't the case,  creating an unlevel playing field for you. I have asked a couple of others to read your post and they took it the same way. This is why I posted  can't we just leave it at good game?

Breaking it down tactically, I see this as a fairly balanced match. I believe you were flying an FDW with 45 engine power, 1.00 move ratio, 2 dizzy 3s, 8 ph-1s. 2 ph-2s, 2 ph-3s, 2 amd Bs, 2 B racks slightly better shields than mine and likely better hull compared to a destroyer. You should have had more marines and double the t-bombs, have 2 and a half times more transporters compared to me and so forth.

The HDWVm is classed a light cruiser not a heavy, has 28 power @ .67 ratio. Slighty inferior shields and likely weaker hull, I'm sure someone out there will correct me if I am wrong on that point. 2 dizzy 2s, 3 ph-1s, 2 ph-3s, 1 mirv and 2 C racks and 3 G racks, 2 AMD A.(not the 3 to 4 AMDs you have observed on other ships) It has a total of 7 fighters that were draining your amd and phasers. It could not afford to do speed 31 game and run a lot of ecm and arm dizzies. It did not have the longer reaching dizzies or even half of the 8 ph-1s.



Turning to Kreug now, even you realised how he came off with the following. 

"Perhaps next time, they'll show up a little earlier in the campaign...?
A liitle notification and organization go a long way... "

Not exactly the comments a gracious victor would choose.

Correction, I had a C7V (and I didn't deploy my fighters once), not an FDW.  If I had had an FDW, I'd have been a lot less cautious.  I'd have been all over you...heheh.


I see what you mean, though.  I didn't mean it the way you seem to have taken it.  I was merely trying to tell it from my point of view and to let you know why I was being so cautious and then why, rather than HETing to easily stop from getting herded off the map, I just disengaged.  That was all I meant.

When I mentioned I was tired of what I said I was tired of...it had nothing at all to do with you.  It was all the AI fighting I'd done the past couple of days up to that point. 
All the fast drones, MIRVs and ships with 3+ AMD was just getting tiresome.  My comment there was meant in general, nothing to do specifically with you.

I did not assume that your situation was not simular.  I didn't assume anything where you were concerned.  I merely told you my situation...that is all.  When I'm thinking something about you..I'll come right out and tell you...directly and specifically.  Trust me. 



I hope this helps.  If not...just hit with with another negative karma.  It's all good. 



BTW....you didn't know what I was flying, and apparently, I knew what you were flying better than you did.  Your ship had 2xAMD12 and 2xAMD6.  You would not have chewed up all the drones you chewed up with merely 2xAMD6...heheh.  That you had FOUR AMD racks was a major reason I hadn't deployed fighters yet.  Four AMD racks...six drone racks (1 MIRV, 12x drone control) ...7 fighters on a HDW.  I don't know about you, but my personal  opinion is that that's a gob of firepower on a small ship and something a C7 ought be a llittle wary of.  See my point?

Thanks. Unfortunately my film room doesn't like to replay dyna missions, the last one that worked was with shadowlord in an FDW. My bad there. I would think that I knew what you were flying at the time. I guess that the previous mission was burned into my memory, it was an intense close game as well. If I were you, I would have released those fighters of yours on defensive and  probably shut down some or all of your dizzies until you bled me dry of missiles. This would have allowed you to save some amd, run better ecm while running fast and charging your phasers for point defence and perhaps at times, more shield reinforcement. Staying close to your fighters would have allowed mutual point defence protection. I recall a few phaser shots where I manually targeted  missiles heading for my fighters.
 I understand the caution of not wanting to give up VCs in your BCH, otherwise though I look at the C7(V) with 1 less power and 2 more dizzies and think you are in much better shape tactically for the match than in an FDW. Turn off 2 dizzies and by comparison , you have 44 vs 45 engine power, 2 more ph-1s for point defence or phaser boating and some fighters, plus BCH shields and hull. I personally would be a lot less worried in the C7-V than an FDW. I'd be respectfull of the potential of the war destroyer, but many more options exist with your BCH carrier.

Yeah....I meant I would have just been a lot less cautious in an FDW and I would have been cruising up closer to you to use O/Led dizzies when I could.  8xPh1 and 2 OLed dizzies on a ship that you have plenty of power for EW and can still run fast is probably a good match for what you were flying.  The 2xAMD12 and extra PD phasers (I use the 2xPh2 on the FDW solely as PD) make a difference, I think.  The FDW turns better and the shields are still pretty good.  I'm not trying to say it's a better ship than the C7/V...no way it is...but I'd have been a little more comfortable flying it vs. what you were flying, both because of the type of ship it is AND the fact that the FDW had no VC points attached.  I might have still lost, but I'd have been a lot more agressive, even in my bleary-eyed state...heheh.


Part of me didn't want to deploy my fighters at all.  I had the larger hull, so I sometimes feel guilty in such situations busting out the fighters.  I was also wary of the fact that if I did launch them, I stood a good chance of losing to your AMD, fighters and fast drones...fighter AI being what it is...it can be hard to recall them, as you know.  It just didn't seem like a good idea at the time.  Additionally, I wouldn't call myself the greatest fighter user in the world.  I rarely use them...so I don't have a lot of practice with their behavior.  Often times when I launch them, I'm using them to cover my tail while I get out of trouble...heheh.  It's the wrong way to use them, I know...but I'm just not practiced with them. 

FireSoul turned me onto the idea of using Fencer-IIIs in PvP.  They go speed 31.  I think I had Blockader-IIIs loaded in our mission, though...I think they only go 26.  I hadn't readied my ship for PvP because I had been running a lot of defensive missions up to the point where I drafted you.  I usually like to take Type-I drones into missions I'm expecting PvP. 


I do agree with what you said, though.  Good stuff.

[KBF-Kapact]

I was sick as a dog the last few days.... just coming out now. Had a fever way over 100, and too many other probs. Is there any place for the final map and VP's? 


cheers...

[alfman]

"Heh...well, I was pretty exhausted by the time we got into the match.  I'd been on the server for about 10 hours by the time we hooked up.  I knew you were a capable pilot and I knew those Kzin HDWVs were tough ships...we'd lost a dread to one during GW1.  I was playing it pretty safe during the match.  Once they said the campaign was over, the fight went out of me...I'd been on all day and I was just spent. Jessie was screaming about something right next to me and I just decided to tuck tail and run...heheh.


You played it well, though...no doubt about it.  I was just trying to run out your AMD and get rid of those fighters then go to work with my own tools.  3 and 4 AMD racks on those Kzin HDws seems like too much.  By contrast, the 1 AMD12, 2xPh3 and 4 tractors I had were not quite as impressive...heheh.  I was often using most of my phasers for PD.


I tell ya what...by the time GW3 was over, I well and truly tired of fast drones, MIRVs and ships with 3+ AMD racks!" 


...and then me in the middle of 10 evening shifts averaging 6 hours asleep a day while  being on anti-biotics for 2 weeks now and not flying the race I have flown for 3 to 4 years etc...... how about just GG and leave it there?

Sure...was just taking about the match.  If you don't want to, that's cool.   I had a good time in it and was just relating my point of view.  One of the things I've always enjoyed about this game is talking it over with my opponents after.  Guess the feeling isn't mutual.

I don't mind discussing the game, it's the way your text reads.  It comes off as good job Dax, but that you were tired and distracted. It further undercuts the original compliment, suggesting that I had the better ship and supposes that I was well rested, free of distractions and so forth, which wasn't the case,  creating an unlevel playing field for you. I have asked a couple of others to read your post and they took it the same way. This is why I posted  can't we just leave it at good game?

Breaking it down tactically, I see this as a fairly balanced match. I believe you were flying an FDW with 45 engine power, 1.00 move ratio, 2 dizzy 3s, 8 ph-1s. 2 ph-2s, 2 ph-3s, 2 amd Bs, 2 B racks slightly better shields than mine and likely better hull compared to a destroyer. You should have had more marines and double the t-bombs, have 2 and a half times more transporters compared to me and so forth.

The HDWVm is classed a light cruiser not a heavy, has 28 power @ .67 ratio. Slighty inferior shields and likely weaker hull, I'm sure someone out there will correct me if I am wrong on that point. 2 dizzy 2s, 3 ph-1s, 2 ph-3s, 1 mirv and 2 C racks and 3 G racks, 2 AMD A.(not the 3 to 4 AMDs you have observed on other ships) It has a total of 7 fighters that were draining your amd and phasers. It could not afford to do speed 31 game and run a lot of ecm and arm dizzies. It did not have the longer reaching dizzies or even half of the 8 ph-1s.



Turning to Kreug now, even you realised how he came off with the following. 

"Perhaps next time, they'll show up a little earlier in the campaign...?
A liitle notification and organization go a long way... "

Not exactly the comments a gracious victor would choose.

Correction, I had a C7V (and I didn't deploy my fighters once), not an FDW.  If I had had an FDW, I'd have been a lot less cautious.  I'd have been all over you...heheh.


I see what you mean, though.  I didn't mean it the way you seem to have taken it.  I was merely trying to tell it from my point of view and to let you know why I was being so cautious and then why, rather than HETing to easily stop from getting herded off the map, I just disengaged.  That was all I meant.

When I mentioned I was tired of what I said I was tired of...it had nothing at all to do with you.  It was all the AI fighting I'd done the past couple of days up to that point. 
All the fast drones, MIRVs and ships with 3+ AMD was just getting tiresome.  My comment there was meant in general, nothing to do specifically with you.

I did not assume that your situation was not simular.  I didn't assume anything where you were concerned.  I merely told you my situation...that is all.  When I'm thinking something about you..I'll come right out and tell you...directly and specifically.  Trust me. 



I hope this helps.  If not...just hit with with another negative karma.  It's all good. 



BTW....you didn't know what I was flying, and apparently, I knew what you were flying better than you did.  Your ship had 2xAMD12 and 2xAMD6.  You would not have chewed up all the drones you chewed up with merely 2xAMD6...heheh.  That you had FOUR AMD racks was a major reason I hadn't deployed fighters yet.  Four AMD racks...six drone racks (1 MIRV, 12x drone control) ...7 fighters on a HDW.  I don't know about you, but my personal  opinion is that that's a gob of firepower on a small ship and something a C7 ought be a llittle wary of.  See my point?

Thanks. Unfortunately my film room doesn't like to replay dyna missions, the last one that worked was with shadowlord in an FDW. My bad there. I would think that I knew what you were flying at the time. I guess that the previous mission was burned into my memory, it was an intense close game as well. If I were you, I would have released those fighters of yours on defensive and  probably shut down some or all of your dizzies until you bled me dry of missiles. This would have allowed you to save some amd, run better ecm while running fast and charging your phasers for point defence and perhaps at times, more shield reinforcement. Staying close to your fighters would have allowed mutual point defence protection. I recall a few phaser shots where I manually targeted  missiles heading for my fighters.
 I understand the caution of not wanting to give up VCs in your BCH, otherwise though I look at the C7(V) with 1 less power and 2 more dizzies and think you are in much better shape tactically for the match than in an FDW. Turn off 2 dizzies and by comparison , you have 44 vs 45 engine power, 2 more ph-1s for point defence or phaser boating and some fighters, plus BCH shields and hull. I personally would be a lot less worried in the C7-V than an FDW. I'd be respectfull of the potential of the war destroyer, but many more options exist with your BCH carrier.

Yeah....I meant I would have just been a lot less cautious in an FDW and I would have been cruising up closer to you to use O/Led dizzies when I could.  8xPh1 and 2 OLed dizzies on a ship that you have plenty of power for EW and can still run fast is probably a good match for what you were flying.  The 2xAMD12 and extra PD phasers (I use the 2xPh2 on the FDW solely as PD) make a difference, I think.  The FDW turns better and the shields are still pretty good.  I'm not trying to say it's a better ship than the C7/V...no way it is...but I'd have been a little more comfortable flying it vs. what you were flying, both because of the type of ship it is AND the fact that the FDW had no VC points attached.  I might have still lost, but I'd have been a lot more agressive, even in my bleary-eyed state...heheh.


Part of me didn't want to deploy my fighters at all.  I had the larger hull, so I sometimes feel guilty in such situations busting out the fighters.  I was also wary of the fact that if I did launch them, I stood a good chance of losing to your AMD, fighters and fast drones...fighter AI being what it is...it can be hard to recall them, as you know.  It just didn't seem like a good idea at the time.  Additionally, I wouldn't call myself the greatest fighter user in the world.  I rarely use them...so I don't have a lot of practice with their behavior.  Often times when I launch them, I'm using them to cover my tail while I get out of trouble...heheh.  It's the wrong way to use them, I know...but I'm just not practiced with them. 

FireSoul turned me onto the idea of using Fencer-IIIs in PvP.  They go speed 31.  I think I had Blockader-IIIs loaded in our mission, though...I think they only go 26.  I hadn't readied my ship for PvP because I had been running a lot of defensive missions up to the point where I drafted you.  I usually like to take Type-I drones into missions I'm expecting PvP. 


I do agree with what you said, though.  Good stuff.

This server was great! Congradulations to the Coalition. I also fought against a C7V in a Z-HDWV. I won. 6 drone racks full of fast drones, 4 amd's and 7 mastiff III's are nothing to sneeze at.

[Julin Eurthyr]

a series (7?) of servers where it's ISC vs. each individual race, to signify the "war of pacification"...

Not that many,  more of a regional thingy.  Details pending (Read: I don't have a frikkin clue yet.)

How are you planning on filling out the Froggy ranks for each run???

Large quanities of cheese. j/k

Well a planning committee will be formed and we'll <blah> <blah> <blah>  (Read: Stop asking pesky specifics questions! I got a headache!) 

<snicker>

Ahhh...

Thinking about the cuddle party too much there? 

So there's no details yet.  Fine.  We still have 3 more GW servers for you to come up with them.  No pressure at all... (yet... )

Just don't mention a Pacification series around one of the original Pacifiers, unless you clearly state "still in early planning stages"...  It has a tendency to get the old blood going...

Gotta get a hold of Pharoh etc.  This is starting to sound interesting.  SG3 is supposed to have a pacification theme to it, and now a series of local pacifications.  Looks like the ISC's getting ready to do what we do best...  Well, as close to that as we can without being able to form 11 ship echelons that can rip anybody apart in a fixed-area battle... 

I wish most of the original posts from Taldren's first board were still around somewhere.  Back when Overon, Ultraprophet etc. were being the ultra-pacifistic Pacifiers (pacify by death, destruction and bending / folding / mutilating), while I was of the "pacify by blockade" theory...