Topic: Is it just me or are we supposed to have more alliance pilots?

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

ROFL...so what exactly was it I said that bought me some bad karma?  Gosh..I was just trying to be light-hearted here...heheh.

did the person who gave me BAD karma bother to notice I sent a Fred player the tools to get on GW3?  For free?  Out of my own pocket?  I spent 45 minutes at the post office to get it in the mail, eh? 

Got no idea who did it Doggy, but I wouldn't let it bother me.  Actually I enjoy getting bad karma from certain people, it lets me know I pissed them off, and certain people I really enjoy pissing off as they deserve it......

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Those who are Loyal to their Race of Choice are always the Winner to me. I have more respect for a Player who is True to Their Race. All those who Vacillate to one Race or the other ,or Has not made a commitment to one side are the other, are those who are weak, with the one exception that one is unable to Play their Race 0of choice due the Server or campaign provided. 

I could not disagree more.  I believe that those who fly multiple races get a better view of the balances and imbalances within the game.  A pilot who masters one race is to be respected, one who masters more than one is to be honored.  Those who can't get beyond the Coalition/Alliance dogma are missing 1/2 of the fun of the game and taking the risk of condemning themselves to closeminded opinions.  Nothing wrong with having a favored race which you play most often, but never to venture out of it and test the meddle of you fleetmates from the opposite side of a war seems quite limiting to me.  Those who are willing to do it all have my utmost respect.

I agree with ya, Chuut...I always enjoy flying Klingon the best, but it keeps the game fun when you move around a little bit..broaden your horizons, etc.  It's educational, too.

WORD Doggy!!!!

Why I might ask the KATs/ KOTHs to fly Kzin sometimes but never insist on it if they wanna try something else for a change, I know I'll have some very fun fights if they do.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

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[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Those who are Loyal to their Race of Choice are always the Winner to me. I have more respect for a Player who is True to Their Race. All those who Vacillate to one Race or the other ,or Has not made a commitment to one side are the other, are those who are weak, with the one exception that one is unable to Play their Race 0of choice due the Server or campaign provided. 

I could not disagree more.  I believe that those who fly multiple races get a better view of the balances and imbalances within the game.  A pilot who masters one race is to be respected, one who masters more than one is to be honored.  Those who can't get beyond the Coalition/Alliance dogma are missing 1/2 of the fun of the game and taking the risk of condemning themselves to closeminded opinions.  Nothing wrong with having a favored race which you play most often, but never to venture out of it and test the meddle of you fleetmates from the opposite side of a war seems quite limiting to me.  Those who are willing to do it all have my utmost respect.

I agree with ya, Chuut...I always enjoy flying Klingon the best, but it keeps the game fun when you move around a little bit..broaden your horizons, etc.  It's educational, too.

WORD Doggy!!!!

Why I might ask the KATs/ KOTHs to fly Kzin sometimes but never insist on it if they wanna try something else for a change, I know I'll have some very fun fights if they do.

I have a great deal of loyalty to my fellow Klingon players.  It's always hard to not be with them, especially when they might need the help.  It's tougher lately for me to step out of my Klingon role since I've sort of stepped back into some measure of leadership (as head of the KBF).  Every time I've flown another race in the past, it's been fun, though.  I look forward to being able to do it again sometime.


That said, I think it's also good for the game if there's the core rivalry of the Freds and the Klingons.  As long as it doesn't get nasty/serious, it can make the game fun.


I enjoy the challenges posed by various campaigns .  I guess even when my race/side is getting it's arse handed to it, I still choose to log in an play because I'm still having fun.  If it's not fun, one always has the option to cease the not-so-fun actvity.   SS2 was in the bag for the Coalition for about three weeks...but many kept logging in and fighting it out.   


Then there was the Four Powers War, I think it was...excruciating and brutal for the Klingon/Lyran team....just horrid...but somehow still fun...heheh.


I like to win as much as anyone, but it's not everything.  I think it gets to be too important for some, though..and then tempers start flaring and buzzkills ensue.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

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[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

You know, I think its also becuase some people just like to play klingon becuase it such an easy race to master as compaired to Feds or Kzin. 

   Or have I just stuck my foot in my mouth?


  Strat

Nothing wrong with being of that opinion.  Frankly, I think Klingon is is just as hard to master as any other race.  I'm not sure I've seen you fly Klingon much.  Have you?  In not, you'll have to try it sometime and tell me how easy it is... 

[FPF-DieHard]

THis is the last lop-sided server I am going to have anything to do with.  Playing, admining, whatever. 

[likkerpig]

Jesus!
Who offered to set me up on EVE, was it AJTK?
Looking better and better.

[Ronin]

b/c if we are not, what exactly is the use of hosting a slaughter in the making?

Friday night & we have 5 alliance to 13 coalition.

So if you guys don't want to play, tell us so we can save J'inn & DH the trouble.

BearSlayer...

first off, allow me to say that I understand your pain. It is a painful and frustrating experience to log in and see overwhelming numerical superiority for the enemy. Acknowledged.

Now allow me to move past that with some thoughts.

I don't believe any of us in the SFC gaming community can get hung up on winning or losing as a determinant of whether we will continue our participation. I believe that when we look, as individuals, at why we are here we will find that it is a love of the game, pure and simple, that keeps us playing.

Does it suck to feel that there is no chance for victory? Sure. We can all agree on that. But I have a thought on that too. (Of course. lol) Some of the best games I have ever played were the games where I went into it thinking the odds were against me.

Squad Leader... Midway... 1941... some of the old SFB missions... various Napoleonics scenarios... the John Tiller Civil War series of play by email games as a Confederate (I am a Captain in the American Civil War Gaming Club)... and countless other of the uncountable games I have played in my 25+ years of competetive wargaming are all remembered by me not because I won, but because I did better than expected against seemingly insurmountable odds. For me the game is not about winning. It is about gaining the respect of my adversary. It is about having them say, "Damn... thank God I am Union Army and had ten times the ammunition or you would have wiped me out..." or "Jesus... you did 97 internals to my CL in your hex-flipper when I thought I was going to come out without a scratch..." or "this scenario calls for holding your reserves until turn 29, and you STILL managed to take that hill and wipe out my artillery!" (Try taking the hill at Gettysburg against the Union artillery... then holding it until day three of the battle of Gettysburg when your reserves are exhausted and your reinforcements are paltry... got a commendation for that.) THAT is what I play for, sir.

Now I say again, I understand. But I respectfully suggest that we, no matter which side we are on, because the advantage changes from server to server, work in this spirit instead of being concerned with winning or losing... or even with having a chance. There is glory in fighting to the end in a battle you can not win. There is honor amongst your corp... there is respect from your enemy... and those are worth battling on for.

Take heart, brave sir. And do not be demoralized at this turn of events. The battle is not over and we still have time to make our presence felt. But even if we are wiped out completely we have the chance to show our mettle to those we call friends here in this community. And that is worth fighting on for.

With respect...

[Ronin]

Well, Is lop sidedness a issue. No so True in some respects. Those who are Loyal to their Race of Choice are always the Winner to me. I have more respect for a Player who is True to Their Race. All those who Vacillate to one Race or the other ,or Has not made a commitment to one side are the other, are those who are weak, with the one exception that one is unable to Play their Race 0of choice due the Server or campaign provided.  I've seen and witnessed those who are not Loyal. It is always an honor to play win or lose to one who is true.  Also I have found some of the posts about battle and Glory  to be enjoyable. Its all the way you want to see it. Although If I had my way, I'd just hunt down the Traitors and the Renegades and Kill them again and again.  

Sir... I agree that someone who is loyal to their race is something to admire. No doubt about it. Having spent a great deal of time in the GFL Dyna realm as the Romulan XO I can tell you from experience that our victories were often very personal in nature and had more to do with individual battles than with winning a server.

However... I have flown all eight major races competetively in ladder play since December of 1999 and can tell you that there is something to be said for enjoying and learning about each of them. Not only will there be a great deal of enjoyment surrounding the endeavor, but you learn more about each race from the "inside" than you could possibly hope to from the "outside." I feel I have a genuine appreciation and understanding of all the races and that I can, as a result, enjoy the game more fully.

Perhaps you consider me a traitor. Here, in this community, I am a Federation Admiral. I have been a Federation Admiral for the better part of several years and have flown hundreds of player versus player battles that way. But I would have no trouble flying another race if it was apparent that they needed the help in a server. It would be my pleasure.

Respects and kind regards...

[Ronin]

THis is the last lop-sided server I am going to have anything to do with.  Playing, admining, whatever. 

Respectfully suggesting another beer and a good nights rest, my friend. I think I can understand your frustration... long experience as a Romulan in the GFL guarantees that I know where you are coming from... I can only hope that you will see beyond winning and losing to what I think you and I are really here for.

Warm regards...

[Ronin]

For the record... I worked until after nine Pacific time, then came here for a look and got caught up posting. lol Otherwise I would have been in the Dyna sooner. Heading there now.

[762_XC]

SSCF, except for a few pilots, has left the game.

KHH has shown up in force the last 2 servers.

The math seems pretty simple.

[FPF-DieHard]

THis is the last lop-sided server I am going to have anything to do with.  Playing, admining, whatever. 

Respectfully suggesting another beer and a good nights rest, my friend. I think I can understand your frustration... long experience as a Romulan in the GFL guarantees that I know where you are coming from... I can only hope that you will see beyond winning and losing to what I think you and I are really here for.

Warm regards...

Yup, I am burnt out.   Completely shot.   The 3 weeks of stress of getting this damn thing up and running combined with training, real-life and all this other stuff has got me frazzled and homicidal.

[FPF-DieHard]

SSCF, except for a few pilots, has left the game.

KHH has shown up in force the last 2 servers.

The math seems pretty simple.

it is hard to see the obvious when your head it staying up your colon. 

[SSCF-LeRoy]

SSCF, except for a few pilots, has left the game.

KHH has shown up in force the last 2 servers.

The math seems pretty simple.

Exactly. We have failed to take this imbalance into account. This fact needs to be considered for future servers.

[Cleaven]

Cleaven,

I am gonna be polite.

If you actually were out-numbered it was probably b/c the server had just gone back up.

Until about 2130 this evening, it was 4-6 alliance against 12-15 coalition.

Last night, prime time 2100 EST, there was all of TWO alliance pilots on for over an hour. 

So spare me the blue plague routine.

Why don't you pull your polite head out of where ever you have it, because you might notice that I'm not even playing on that server except to try the missions and the shiplist. Go ahead and cry foul all you want but it isn't me that's ganging up on your poor excuse for a whinge.

As for your little problem with the blue plague, why is it that when the Alliance is outnumbered it's a white wash and when the Coalition is outnumbered it's because the server just rebooted. Pathetic!

You were't even interested in what time it was or what day it was that I came on. Just that it couldn't be possible that what you say is not correct all the time. Next time I drop in and see the same situation I'll send you a nice big fat screen shot just to prove it, then you can cry blue plague all you want. So go cry foul to somebody who cares, or learn to accept that what you saw is not the only way it is all the time.

[Cleaven]

Nobody wants to ratio the victory points to number of missions run per side so you are never going to get around variable player numbers, therefore the side with the greater number of player missions will nearly always win.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Maybe its unbalanced a bit but I'm having a blast.  Got one of my best kill ratios ever!  There are many ways to measure sucess and regardless of the situation one can find ways to achieve it if one sets ones goals within the situational context.  It could be VCs it could be P v P, it might be taking a base of planet when the otherside has the advantage, or perhaps reaching V'Ghinna on a deepstrike.

While I agree the best servers are balanced, fun can still be had on the others.  I remember switching to Klingon on Ragnarok due to lopsidedness and starting in a freighter.  Was a balst to try and get out of it.  Never has a pilot been so happy to purchase an F5 .

Bottom line is we can discuss ways to achieve better balance in the future, but for the current server lets just enjoy what we have, something I plan on doing.

[Soreyes]

Hell I'm having my head handed to me tonight..... But I'm having a blast

OK Doggy Bring on that Monster your flying. I'll take you on again in my MDC....... (Looks at a 1/2 empty bottle of Glenfiddich) Hmmmm I think thats the Scotch talking