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Rule Clarification
« on: August 26, 2004, 09:57:32 am »
I took mercy on poor WIll Weasel after the torture he endured on GW2.

Please note that there is no requirement in the rules that a FM actually fly his OoB ship at all times.  You just have the right to.

That way poor Doggy can take a break from his purgatory in the C8B from time to time.

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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2004, 10:08:18 am »
Of course you had to wait nearly a week to let Doggy know this <Snicker>   ;D
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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2004, 11:29:28 am »
IMHO..OOB ships should be flown when assigned....

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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2004, 11:35:34 am »
IMHO..OOB ships should be flown when assigned....

Ok don't make me give you an NONREFIT c5....
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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2004, 11:37:18 am »
Give him Doggy's boat.............. ;D

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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2004, 11:40:17 am »
Give him Doggy's boat.............. ;D

K refit, it doesn't suck anymore.

This is a grey area for me.   On one hand, VC targets should be avaiblable as much as possible.  On the other side, I flew the same damned ship for 3 weeks straight on SS2 and that gets dull.
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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2004, 11:48:02 am »
Give me what ever you want...I'll fly it...its my DUTY... ;D

My point is OOB ships are worth VC points....not flying one as assigned denies the other side an opportunity to reap these points...

And if these ships arent flown...what is the point of even having them built?

We certainly arent planning on keeping the GOOD OOB ships offline.....so the crappy ones should be online as well...

Taking a DN out of play seems like a cheap shot to me....fly it...or give it to someone else to fly...

Why allow a crappy DN to be hidden until it can be upgraded?

Maybe the "rule" should say that if you dont fly your OOB ship at LEAST 50% plus...it cannot be upgraded....

I could maybe live with that...


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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2004, 12:03:24 pm »
Actually, I only posted this know because someone asked.   There has never been a GW3 rule stating that you HAD to fly the OoB at all times.

Personally, I see Crim's point.  But I was swayed by the screams of pain coming from the FMs.   LOL.   

Yes, it removes the VC target from the board at times, but I suppose it also removes a big bad monster from the board also.   It's a tough call, but I want peopel to have fun.   Besides,  Will Weasel sent a large check. 

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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2004, 12:23:26 pm »


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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2004, 12:27:55 pm »
*snicker*  ;D


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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2004, 01:06:43 pm »
Actually, I only posted this know because someone asked.   There has never been a GW3 rule stating that you HAD to fly the OoB at all times.

I didnt think it was a "rule"...just common practice... ;)

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Personally, I see Crim's point. 

Thanks...that's all I wanted...

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But I was swayed by the screams of pain coming from the FMs.   LOL.

Actually...I heard Dizzy Got captured....they must have left the Ball gag at home... :-*

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Yes, it removes the VC target from the board at times, but I suppose it also removes a big bad monster from the board also. 

Ying and Yang....I only see a missing target...

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 It's a tough call, but I want peopel to have fun.

Me too....But I HAVE flown a C5 "unrefitted" for 3 weeks before...it's no cake walk...but I VOLUNTEERED to do it...

 
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 Besides,  Will Weasel sent a large check.

Sure...dont pay the help ;D 

IMHO...I only see a potential for abuse...

Player "a" see's enemy aces on....doesnt want to risk DN....trades down to CL for a few hours to hex munch.....aces log off...Player "A" gets his DN back and returns to cracking bases...

Now this is rather different than:

Player "A" see's enemy aces on.....doesnt want to risk DN...decides to take wife out for dinner...is jumped by enemy aces upon returning to server...

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Now I am not trying to raise a stink...OR make unfounded accusations...OR imply that anyone would do this.......OR propose anything be changed for the current run of servers...

But I would suggest this be reviewed in the future....

I think that if the FM want's to trade down his DN that is well and good.....but it should remain in "space dock" for the rest of the round because the engineers thought it was a good time to refit and ripped out the warp core...

This lets the FM drop his DN ....but prevents the DN from being used by the FM to cherry pick targets at the end of the round....or whenever its convenient or less risk...

You wanted it off the front lines....it is....until next round...

This also simulates  the command decision of removing a heavy asset from the front and the gravity of the result...

It might be a good idea...it might be a bad one...






 


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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2004, 01:10:43 pm »
Crim's right.   We should adopt his rule for GW4 and beyond.
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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2004, 01:19:18 pm »
Crim's right.   We should adopt his rule for GW4 and beyond.
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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2004, 01:22:43 pm »
Ok, maybe would should move away from the idea, perception or whatever we have come to know in the past that an OoB ship is only assigned to a specific FM. Why not have multiple FM's?

For example, the Klinks build a DN, say a C8K, they then get to assign, say, 3x FM's to it. Which means that whenever at least one of those 3x players is online, they have to fly the C8K.

This splits up the monotony of having to fly the same ship all the time. It also allows the DN to be present on the battlefield more, which it should be. Course that is a double edged sword, cuz the more it's on the more chances you take of losing it. In addition, more players can enjoy what it is like flying one.

Also prevents one side with the crappy dread to assign it to a player who is casual, thus taking away the opportunity the other side has of ever netting a BP VC.

I disagree with letting Dog fly other than the DN. If he does that, then someone else should take the dread.

Spread it around I say. Better for everyone cept those super-cautious cowardly folks like the Alliance, whom I wouldnt expect to see support for such a proposal. ;)

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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2004, 01:28:29 pm »
Actually, Diz, we were swapping DN's on your server a year ago between folks who were, and weren't online.  ;)

I don't mind having a C8 or DNG online constantly, but some people(on both sides, IIRC) raised a stink.

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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2004, 01:37:52 pm »
Actually, Diz, we were swapping DN's on your server a year ago between folks who were, and weren't online.  ;)



Really? Damn, then it must really be a good idea. ;)

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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2004, 01:38:51 pm »
Actually, Diz, we were swapping DN's on your server a year ago between folks who were, and weren't online.  ;)

I don't mind having a C8 or DNG online constantly, but some people(on both sides, IIRC) raised a stink.

They do something like this in SFC3, the only FMish system is only "X" amount of big iron on the board at a time.

It is better to share the wealth, he FM spots on GW3 are transferable but perhaps future servers should be more flexible.
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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2004, 01:40:48 pm »
Crim's right.   We should adopt his rule for GW4 and beyond.
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Re: Rule Clarification
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2004, 01:44:21 pm »
Actually, Diz, we were swapping DN's on your server a year ago between folks who were, and weren't online.  ;)

I don't mind having a C8 or DNG online constantly, but some people(on both sides, IIRC) raised a stink.

They do something like this in SFC3, the only FMish system is only "X" amount of big iron on the board at a time.

It is better to share the wealth, he FM spots on GW3 are transferable but perhaps future servers should be more flexible.

True...my understanding as well...FM spots are transferable...

<snicker>...early Klinker dreads are like hot potatos....only the really brave or sadistic hang on to one long... ;D