Topic: D2 on its last legs for me

[Lepton]

The D2 is steadily becoming something I feel absolutely no reason to engage in.  Missions are not exactly boring but very repetitive.  I get on there.  Run a few missions and think "this is the same old sh**".  The unbalanced server numbers on GW3 make those repetitious missions even more meaningless.  I suck at PvP and seem to run into a droner (I have trouble with these) every time I find a human player.   I have flown the CF, CC+, and NCL+ as the only ships I feel comfortable in, but I tell you 1 drone rack and 1 AMD really suck against ships with default 2 drone racks and 2 AMD.  Are the feds' new cruisers coming online any time soon?   I need Max's General War GSA-based campaign or I am pretty much done with this game although I have never really figured out how to fly well or use most ships to any effect.  It's really a shame as this is the only StarTrek game I have ever liked, but I really don't see the point in continuing.  I am going to try to throw myself into some PvP on GW3 and if that doesn't do it for me, that will pretty much be it for me.  I'm sure no one will miss me, but this D2 format is just loathesome to me.

[Kroma BaSyl]

hmmm....well the F-CF is currently the best D5D killer. As for numbers, they have been balancing out fairly well now the the Klingon weekend warriers are back at work.

[FPF-DieHard]

. . .  but this D2 format is just loathesome to me.

You can't take the game too seriously.   It is only a game.

I've played on the strategic-winning side twice in all the D2 I have played.   Those were the 2 worst servers I have ever played on.  

First 3 days of GW3 have been a blast so far.  Get on voice comms and find a wing, there is still fun to be had.

[FPF-DieHard]

. . .  the Klingon weekend warriers are back at work.

They have jobs?   

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

From the look of the server when I got on Sunday night.  No, they do not.

Either that or Dogmatrix's Klink breeding program is really out of hand and needs to be shut down.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

hmmm....well the F-CF is currently the best D5D killer. As for numbers, they have been balancing out fairly well now the the Klingon weekend warriers are back at work.

As long as you aren't an idiot in the process.....

*must remember to turn PD BACK ON when finally starting to close with D5D*

[KAT J'inn]

I'm not happy about the lack of Kzinti players.   Nevertheless,  I am personally having a ball.   Even though I have lost every single PvP match. 

For me it's having a wingman.  I really like winging with Die Hard and Green and the others.   Die Hard especially because it's funny to hear his blood pressure rise when he's screaming at me. <snicker>

[Kroma BaSyl]

For me it's having a wingman.  I really like winging with Die Hard and Green and the others.   Die Hard especially because it's funny to hear his blood pressure rise when he's screaming at me. <snicker>

LOL....I think I was starting to turn into DH last night screaming at poor Bach and Strongbad to corner WarSears.

[FPF-DieHard]

For me it's having a wingman.  I really like winging with Die Hard and Green and the others.   Die Hard especially because it's funny to hear his blood pressure rise when he's screaming at me. <snicker>

LOL....I think I was starting to turn into DH last night screaming at poor Bach and Strongbad to corner WarSears.

<Snicker>  I think my worst flipping out was on Strongbad and Bossman so far this server.  I've actually been calmer than normal.   

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

. . .  the Klingon weekend warriers are back at work.

They have jobs?   

...yes!   AND kids! 


Actually, I don't think team numbers have favored one side or the other much...and when it does, it never seems to be for long.  I'd say player numbers haven't been that big of a problem so far.  Granted, the Coalition does make a better showing on weekends, but there's still five days of the week that the Coalition tends to be outnumbered.


Anyway...I don't want to see this devolve into a quibble about numbers.


I know where Lepton is coming from because I've had good friends in this game leave feeling the same way and I've even felt that way myself at times.  The plain fact of the matter is that D2 has its limits and some people will tire of it more quickly than others and choose to move on.  That's cool.  I think this game is still enjoyed by a core group of people and I still think there is life left in the game and maybe still some innovations left to be discovered.

I'm sorry to hear of your waning interest in the D2, Lepton, though I can't say it surprises me at all.  Frankly, I'd be more surprised to hear that you ever liked it. 

I agree that the game gets reptitive, but what I have always found fun about it is the people.  That's what keeps me coming back.  I have some great friendships and rivalries in this community and with two young kids, I simply don't get out that much.  My friends are here.  Sure, I see my RL friends now and then, but with them mostly being single with no kids, it can be tough to get mutually agreeable things scheduled...heheh.

[el-Karnak]

When I compared D2 with the "other" competitor, aka EVE Online, for the SFC playerbase, for the moment anyway, I find GW3 to be a more productive and cost-effective entertainment producer.

First, I get a lot more fun value per hour on D2 than I would on EVE. No ramping up to get into the battle. Role-Playing is not for me. Space combat is.

Second, EVE wants $14.95 per month to play, once you are hooked that is, while D2 is free.

Granted that there are more bugs on D2, but then I did my self-help part, as did many others, to alleviate that situation.

All in all, I am happy with D2 as shown in GW3.  Now, we need to get all 8 races involved in a SG3/SS2 type server and everything is peachy.  We also need the full mission pack online so we are playing more than just patrol missions (Hint, hint to DH).

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Actually, I don't think team numbers have favored one side or the other much...and when it does, it never seems to be for long.  I'd say player numbers haven't been that big of a problem so far.  Granted, the Coalition does make a better showing on weekends, but there's still five days of the week that the Coalition tends to be outnumbered.

 

Been waiting for this. 

Actually been having a fun time despite the numbers. 

[FPF-DieHard]

Actually, I don't think team numbers have favored one side or the other much...and when it does, it never seems to be for long.  I'd say player numbers haven't been that big of a problem so far.  Granted, the Coalition does make a better showing on weekends, but there's still five days of the week that the Coalition tends to be outnumbered.

 

Been waiting for this. 

Ain't it funny, you can set your clock by it     Next the Kzin will deny flying drone boats 

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Don't you mean the Klingons?.......

[FPF-DieHard]

Don't you mean the Klingons?.......

Nah, we know they'll deny it <Snicker>

Should I deny that fast curisers are cheese?   

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Actually, I don't think team numbers have favored one side or the other much...and when it does, it never seems to be for long.  I'd say player numbers haven't been that big of a problem so far.  Granted, the Coalition does make a better showing on weekends, but there's still five days of the week that the Coalition tends to be outnumbered.

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Been waiting for this. 

Chuut, I'm seriously only reporting what I have seen.  I can't speak to what has occured when i'm not around.  I hope that is understood.  I played a lot on Saturday and Klingon numbers were somewhat higher at times.  I only played a little bit on Sunday night and the Alliance had higher numbers then.

All the other times I have logged in (mornings, noon and evenings) on the weekdays, the numbers have been even or a slight advantage for either side.  The Alliance numbers are definitely weighted towards the Feds, though.  That's not unlike the Coalition's numbers always having been weighted towards the Klingons, instead of the Lyrans.

If I honestly knew that I was wrong, I wouldn't be saying what I'm saying.  I should have (and do now) qualify that I only know what I have seen during the playing time I've detailed here.  I've earned about 45K prestige on the server in three days.


Obviously, I defer to those who know better.  I was merely giving my impression.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Don't you mean the Klingons?.......

Nah, we know they'll deny it <Snicker>

Should I deny that fast curisers are cheese?   

heheh...well, maybe some of them are.... 



I can't imagine anyone is going to mistake the Z-BF for cheese.



And by the way...I wouldn't even try to deny that many Klingons are flying D5Ds.  I just know I'm not!   

[el-Karnak]

Actually, I don't think team numbers have favored one side or the other much...and when it does, it never seems to be for long.  I'd say player numbers haven't been that big of a problem so far.  Granted, the Coalition does make a better showing on weekends, but there's still five days of the week that the Coalition tends to be outnumbered.

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Been waiting for this. 

Chuut, I'm seriously only reporting what I have seen.  I can't speak to what has occured when i'm not around.  I hope that is understood.  I played a lot on Saturday and Klingon numbers were somewhat higher at times.  I only played a little bit on Sunday night and the Alliance had higher numbers then.

All the other times I have logged in (mornings, noon and evenings) on the weekdays, the numbers have been even or a slight advantage for either side.  The Alliance numbers are definitely weighted towards the Feds, though.  That's not unlike the Coalition's numbers always having been weighted towards the Klingons, instead of the Lyrans.

If I honestly knew that I was wrong, I wouldn't be saying what I'm saying.  I should have (and do now) qualify that I only know what I have seen during the playing time I've detailed here.  I've earned about 45K prestige on the server in three days.


Obviously, I defer to those who know better.  I was merely giving my impression.

When I first started serious SFC play 2 years in IDSL, the Klingons were starting to go on the down-swing number-wise with a minor bump for AoTK and then SG3 being the nadir. From what Dogmatix said, a lot of it was due to burn-out, game boredom, and some issues in the playerbase.

It's nice to see the Red Horde has been re-built. I hope they don't get burnt out again.  The Fed playerbase will slowly be rebuilt once the dynas consistently offer the Fed race as an option like the past GW servers have done for the Klingons.

Basically, if you want the players back in all races then they all have to been consistently offered in the dynas.  There a lot of players out there that simply won't play D2 if you don't have their race available as an option.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

NP Doggy just call it like you see it.  But the map pretty much speaks for itself.  Numbers have been relatively balanced since the weekend with no major gains or losses for either side.  The first 36 hours was when most of the damage was done (ie 1/2 Kzin space)  I shudder to think of what next weekend will bring.  But weekdays do seem pretty balanced give or take a few D5Ds.

[FPF-DieHard]

I can't imagine anyone is going to mistake the Z-BF for cheese.

You know what is funny, some people racked up a bunch of kills in that POS on GW1.

IMHO, all fast cruisers are "cheese" because they totally screw the dynanics involved in seeking-weapon combat.  Granted I feel no guilt in other "cheese" specialty ships being out-classed, but at the same time you have to recognized that races who's line ships depend on seeking weapons (Plasma races, Mirak Line Ships) kinda get F'd when ships with a move cost of 1 and 42-48 power come out before 2270.

SFB has fast cruisers restricted to a production rate of 1 per year and they cost  10 EP to build, same cost as an F-BCF or K-C7.