Topic: D2 on its last legs for me

[Lepton]

The D2 is steadily becoming something I feel absolutely no reason to engage in.  Missions are not exactly boring but very repetitive.  I get on there.  Run a few missions and think "this is the same old sh**".  The unbalanced server numbers on GW3 make those repetitious missions even more meaningless.  I suck at PvP and seem to run into a droner (I have trouble with these) every time I find a human player.   I have flown the CF, CC+, and NCL+ as the only ships I feel comfortable in, but I tell you 1 drone rack and 1 AMD really suck against ships with default 2 drone racks and 2 AMD.  Are the feds' new cruisers coming online any time soon?   I need Max's General War GSA-based campaign or I am pretty much done with this game although I have never really figured out how to fly well or use most ships to any effect.  It's really a shame as this is the only StarTrek game I have ever liked, but I really don't see the point in continuing.  I am going to try to throw myself into some PvP on GW3 and if that doesn't do it for me, that will pretty much be it for me.  I'm sure no one will miss me, but this D2 format is just loathesome to me.

[Kroma BaSyl]

hmmm....well the F-CF is currently the best D5D killer. As for numbers, they have been balancing out fairly well now the the Klingon weekend warriers are back at work.

[FPF-DieHard]

. . .  but this D2 format is just loathesome to me.

You can't take the game too seriously.   It is only a game.

I've played on the strategic-winning side twice in all the D2 I have played.   Those were the 2 worst servers I have ever played on.  

First 3 days of GW3 have been a blast so far.  Get on voice comms and find a wing, there is still fun to be had.

[FPF-DieHard]

. . .  the Klingon weekend warriers are back at work.

They have jobs?   

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

From the look of the server when I got on Sunday night.  No, they do not.

Either that or Dogmatrix's Klink breeding program is really out of hand and needs to be shut down.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

hmmm....well the F-CF is currently the best D5D killer. As for numbers, they have been balancing out fairly well now the the Klingon weekend warriers are back at work.

As long as you aren't an idiot in the process.....

*must remember to turn PD BACK ON when finally starting to close with D5D*

[KAT J'inn]

I'm not happy about the lack of Kzinti players.   Nevertheless,  I am personally having a ball.   Even though I have lost every single PvP match. 

For me it's having a wingman.  I really like winging with Die Hard and Green and the others.   Die Hard especially because it's funny to hear his blood pressure rise when he's screaming at me. <snicker>

[Kroma BaSyl]

For me it's having a wingman.  I really like winging with Die Hard and Green and the others.   Die Hard especially because it's funny to hear his blood pressure rise when he's screaming at me. <snicker>

LOL....I think I was starting to turn into DH last night screaming at poor Bach and Strongbad to corner WarSears.

[FPF-DieHard]

For me it's having a wingman.  I really like winging with Die Hard and Green and the others.   Die Hard especially because it's funny to hear his blood pressure rise when he's screaming at me. <snicker>

LOL....I think I was starting to turn into DH last night screaming at poor Bach and Strongbad to corner WarSears.

<Snicker>  I think my worst flipping out was on Strongbad and Bossman so far this server.  I've actually been calmer than normal.   

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

. . .  the Klingon weekend warriers are back at work.

They have jobs?   

...yes!   AND kids! 


Actually, I don't think team numbers have favored one side or the other much...and when it does, it never seems to be for long.  I'd say player numbers haven't been that big of a problem so far.  Granted, the Coalition does make a better showing on weekends, but there's still five days of the week that the Coalition tends to be outnumbered.


Anyway...I don't want to see this devolve into a quibble about numbers.


I know where Lepton is coming from because I've had good friends in this game leave feeling the same way and I've even felt that way myself at times.  The plain fact of the matter is that D2 has its limits and some people will tire of it more quickly than others and choose to move on.  That's cool.  I think this game is still enjoyed by a core group of people and I still think there is life left in the game and maybe still some innovations left to be discovered.

I'm sorry to hear of your waning interest in the D2, Lepton, though I can't say it surprises me at all.  Frankly, I'd be more surprised to hear that you ever liked it. 

I agree that the game gets reptitive, but what I have always found fun about it is the people.  That's what keeps me coming back.  I have some great friendships and rivalries in this community and with two young kids, I simply don't get out that much.  My friends are here.  Sure, I see my RL friends now and then, but with them mostly being single with no kids, it can be tough to get mutually agreeable things scheduled...heheh.

[el-Karnak]

When I compared D2 with the "other" competitor, aka EVE Online, for the SFC playerbase, for the moment anyway, I find GW3 to be a more productive and cost-effective entertainment producer.

First, I get a lot more fun value per hour on D2 than I would on EVE. No ramping up to get into the battle. Role-Playing is not for me. Space combat is.

Second, EVE wants $14.95 per month to play, once you are hooked that is, while D2 is free.

Granted that there are more bugs on D2, but then I did my self-help part, as did many others, to alleviate that situation.

All in all, I am happy with D2 as shown in GW3.  Now, we need to get all 8 races involved in a SG3/SS2 type server and everything is peachy.  We also need the full mission pack online so we are playing more than just patrol missions (Hint, hint to DH).

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Actually, I don't think team numbers have favored one side or the other much...and when it does, it never seems to be for long.  I'd say player numbers haven't been that big of a problem so far.  Granted, the Coalition does make a better showing on weekends, but there's still five days of the week that the Coalition tends to be outnumbered.

 

Been waiting for this. 

Actually been having a fun time despite the numbers. 

[FPF-DieHard]

Actually, I don't think team numbers have favored one side or the other much...and when it does, it never seems to be for long.  I'd say player numbers haven't been that big of a problem so far.  Granted, the Coalition does make a better showing on weekends, but there's still five days of the week that the Coalition tends to be outnumbered.

 

Been waiting for this. 

Ain't it funny, you can set your clock by it     Next the Kzin will deny flying drone boats 

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Don't you mean the Klingons?.......

[FPF-DieHard]

Don't you mean the Klingons?.......

Nah, we know they'll deny it <Snicker>

Should I deny that fast curisers are cheese?   

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Actually, I don't think team numbers have favored one side or the other much...and when it does, it never seems to be for long.  I'd say player numbers haven't been that big of a problem so far.  Granted, the Coalition does make a better showing on weekends, but there's still five days of the week that the Coalition tends to be outnumbered.

/quote]

 

Been waiting for this. 

Chuut, I'm seriously only reporting what I have seen.  I can't speak to what has occured when i'm not around.  I hope that is understood.  I played a lot on Saturday and Klingon numbers were somewhat higher at times.  I only played a little bit on Sunday night and the Alliance had higher numbers then.

All the other times I have logged in (mornings, noon and evenings) on the weekdays, the numbers have been even or a slight advantage for either side.  The Alliance numbers are definitely weighted towards the Feds, though.  That's not unlike the Coalition's numbers always having been weighted towards the Klingons, instead of the Lyrans.

If I honestly knew that I was wrong, I wouldn't be saying what I'm saying.  I should have (and do now) qualify that I only know what I have seen during the playing time I've detailed here.  I've earned about 45K prestige on the server in three days.


Obviously, I defer to those who know better.  I was merely giving my impression.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Don't you mean the Klingons?.......

Nah, we know they'll deny it <Snicker>

Should I deny that fast curisers are cheese?   

heheh...well, maybe some of them are.... 



I can't imagine anyone is going to mistake the Z-BF for cheese.



And by the way...I wouldn't even try to deny that many Klingons are flying D5Ds.  I just know I'm not!   

[el-Karnak]

Actually, I don't think team numbers have favored one side or the other much...and when it does, it never seems to be for long.  I'd say player numbers haven't been that big of a problem so far.  Granted, the Coalition does make a better showing on weekends, but there's still five days of the week that the Coalition tends to be outnumbered.

/quote]

 

Been waiting for this. 

Chuut, I'm seriously only reporting what I have seen.  I can't speak to what has occured when i'm not around.  I hope that is understood.  I played a lot on Saturday and Klingon numbers were somewhat higher at times.  I only played a little bit on Sunday night and the Alliance had higher numbers then.

All the other times I have logged in (mornings, noon and evenings) on the weekdays, the numbers have been even or a slight advantage for either side.  The Alliance numbers are definitely weighted towards the Feds, though.  That's not unlike the Coalition's numbers always having been weighted towards the Klingons, instead of the Lyrans.

If I honestly knew that I was wrong, I wouldn't be saying what I'm saying.  I should have (and do now) qualify that I only know what I have seen during the playing time I've detailed here.  I've earned about 45K prestige on the server in three days.


Obviously, I defer to those who know better.  I was merely giving my impression.

When I first started serious SFC play 2 years in IDSL, the Klingons were starting to go on the down-swing number-wise with a minor bump for AoTK and then SG3 being the nadir. From what Dogmatix said, a lot of it was due to burn-out, game boredom, and some issues in the playerbase.

It's nice to see the Red Horde has been re-built. I hope they don't get burnt out again.  The Fed playerbase will slowly be rebuilt once the dynas consistently offer the Fed race as an option like the past GW servers have done for the Klingons.

Basically, if you want the players back in all races then they all have to been consistently offered in the dynas.  There a lot of players out there that simply won't play D2 if you don't have their race available as an option.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

NP Doggy just call it like you see it.  But the map pretty much speaks for itself.  Numbers have been relatively balanced since the weekend with no major gains or losses for either side.  The first 36 hours was when most of the damage was done (ie 1/2 Kzin space)  I shudder to think of what next weekend will bring.  But weekdays do seem pretty balanced give or take a few D5Ds.

[FPF-DieHard]

I can't imagine anyone is going to mistake the Z-BF for cheese.

You know what is funny, some people racked up a bunch of kills in that POS on GW1.

IMHO, all fast cruisers are "cheese" because they totally screw the dynanics involved in seeking-weapon combat.  Granted I feel no guilt in other "cheese" specialty ships being out-classed, but at the same time you have to recognized that races who's line ships depend on seeking weapons (Plasma races, Mirak Line Ships) kinda get F'd when ships with a move cost of 1 and 42-48 power come out before 2270.

SFB has fast cruisers restricted to a production rate of 1 per year and they cost  10 EP to build, same cost as an F-BCF or K-C7.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

I can't imagine anyone is going to mistake the Z-BF for cheese.

You know what is funny, some people racked up a bunch of kills in that POS on GW1.

IMHO, all fast cruisers are "cheese" because they totally screw the dynanics involved in seeking-weapon combat.  Granted I feel no guilt in other "cheese" specialty ships being out-classed, but at the same time you have to recognized that races who's line ships depend on seeking weapons (Plasma races, Mirak Line Ships) kinda get F'd when ships with a move cost of 1 and 42-48 power come out before 2270.

SFB has fast cruisers restricted to a production rate of 1 per year and they cost  10 EP to build, same cost as an F-BCF or K-C7.

Yes..I recall that the Z-BF did make a comeback after early disappointment with it.  I think I just meant that of the fast cruisers, it probably wouldn't be considered the best.  I think people have shown consistantly that most ships can win if piloted well and any ship can be beaten, if piloted poorly.


I see your point on the dynamics of the game and I think you're right, the dynamics can be screwed up is fast cruisers are widely-used before 2270.  The only Klingon one that comes out before then is the FD7.  I wouldn't call that an unterrly scary or unbeatable ship, but I'm sure it does pose a few problems.  I don't think there are many current Klingon players who fly it, though.  I don't mind the FD7 once it gets the K-refit, but that usually happens after 2270, no?  Even then, I'm one of the few that fly it.  The real popular ship amongst Klingons is the FDW...which is a 2275 ship and as some have pointed out, it's good...but still beatable.


The SFB limits on these ships make sense and if we're looking to make SFC into something as close to SFB as possible, then similar limits might need to be considered, at least up until the middle of Mid-Era.  At that time, the options available ot most races reduce the lustre of the fast cruisers a bit.  I still like them, mainly because I don't like flying Klingon line-cruisers at all...including the D7L and D7W and most of the Klingon NCAs, and I don't think I'm alone.  For me, if I don't have a C7, then I want a D5L or FDW.  Conversely, some races really like their CAs. 


In the past, we talked a little bit about giving these fast cruisers special roles like raiding behind the lines and such.  I think it might be interesting to explore that further abnd perhaps even implement something on at least a trial basis.

[FPF-DieHard]

In the past, we talked a little bit about giving these fast cruisers special roles like raiding behind the lines and such.  I think it might be interesting to explore that further abnd perhaps even implement something on at least a trial basis.

I'm cool with that, but ONLY if limited by OOB.   They have enough advantages as is.

[FireSoul]

In the past, we talked a little bit about giving these fast cruisers special roles like raiding behind the lines and such.  I think it might be interesting to explore that further abnd perhaps even implement something on at least a trial basis.

I'm cool with that, but ONLY if limited by OOB.   They have enough advantages as is.

Yes, I've always supported that since that's what they were made for. If it costs 1BP to build them (on next servers?), so be it! 

But.  ...  What would they gain? The ability to disengage in deep strikes?
Sounds interesting to me.

[Grim]

I do know how you feel Lepton, i myself have had to take a break from the D2, hence why i havent been on the past two dynas. I'm hoping eventually i will find the hunger and the drive that will get me back playing.

[Surfal]

In the past, we talked a little bit about giving these fast cruisers special roles like raiding behind the lines and such.  I think it might be interesting to explore that further abnd perhaps even implement something on at least a trial basis.

I'm cool with that, but ONLY if limited by OOB.   They have enough advantages as is.

Yes, I've always supported that since that's what they were made for. If it costs 1BP to build them (on next servers?), so be it! 

But.  ...  What would they gain? The ability to disengage in deep strikes?
Sounds interesting to me.

That's the first thing that popped into my head, but would that really be enough to spend a BP on?  How about reducing the effect of, or even eliminating, the disengagement rule for fast cruisers?

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

I do know how you feel Lepton, i myself have had to take a break from the D2, hence why i havent been on the past two dynas. I'm hoping eventually i will find the hunger and the drive that will get me back playing.

RL made it very difficult for me to take part in LB5...so I'd count that as the major contributor to my complete absence, but definitely a part of it was that I needed a break after GW2.  Two months was a good break..now i'm having fun playing again.


I hope to see ya back out there sometime, Grim!


I tell ya...I was considering signing up for EVE right before GW3 started, but I figured it would be a bad idea to split my attention at that point...heheh.  I'll check it out in about 10 days or so...

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

In the past, we talked a little bit about giving these fast cruisers special roles like raiding behind the lines and such.  I think it might be interesting to explore that further abnd perhaps even implement something on at least a trial basis.

I'm cool with that, but ONLY if limited by OOB.   They have enough advantages as is.

Yes, I've always supported that since that's what they were made for. If it costs 1BP to build them (on next servers?), so be it! 

But.  ...  What would they gain? The ability to disengage in deep strikes?
Sounds interesting to me.

1BP doesn't sound unreasonable...at least for a while.  I think as you get into the latter part of Mid Era, the possible need to restrict those ships lessens.


One of the things we discussed around the time of SS2 was that fast cruisers could be made the ONLY ships that could execute deepstrikes.  That sounds kind of interesting to me, too.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

In the past, we talked a little bit about giving these fast cruisers special roles like raiding behind the lines and such.  I think it might be interesting to explore that further abnd perhaps even implement something on at least a trial basis.

I'm cool with that, but ONLY if limited by OOB.   They have enough advantages as is.

Yes, I've always supported that since that's what they were made for. If it costs 1BP to build them (on next servers?), so be it! 

But.  ...  What would they gain? The ability to disengage in deep strikes?
Sounds interesting to me.

That's the first thing that popped into my head, but would that really be enough to spend a BP on?  How about reducing the effect of, or even eliminating, the disengagement rule for fast cruisers?

Very nice idea there...I kinda like that.  Spending a BP in a GW-style server for just a fast cruiser doesn't sound all that attractive...but giving it some special powers in return for that cost does sound interesting.

[FPF-DieHard]

One of the things we discussed around the time of SS2 was that fast cruisers could be made the ONLY ships that could execute deepstrikes.  That sounds kind of interesting to me, too.

Add in the DNLs (which in SFB really are simply big CFs) and ships with Cloaking Devices 

As far as costing a BP, not a bad idea.  I like the BP comcept that we stole from Corbo and love the concept of a team choosing what ships to build.  But then again, I'm for FULL OOB of all ships.

I think it is time for a vannilla server, look for something shortly after GW3.

[FireSoul]

One of the things we discussed around the time of SS2 was that fast cruisers could be made the ONLY ships that could execute deepstrikes.  That sounds kind of interesting to me, too.

Add in the DNLs (which in SFB really are simply big CFs) and ships with Cloaking Devices 

As far as costing a BP, not a bad idea.  I like the BP comcept that we stole from Corbo and love the concept of a team choosing what ships to build.  But then again, I'm for FULL OOB of all ships.

I think it is time for a vannilla server, look for something shortly after GW3.

A DNL would cost what, 4?

[FPF-DieHard]

One of the things we discussed around the time of SS2 was that fast cruisers could be made the ONLY ships that could execute deepstrikes.  That sounds kind of interesting to me, too.

Add in the DNLs (which in SFB really are simply big CFs) and ships with Cloaking Devices 

As far as costing a BP, not a bad idea.  I like the BP comcept that we stole from Corbo and love the concept of a team choosing what ships to build.  But then again, I'm for FULL OOB of all ships.

I think it is time for a vannilla server, look for something shortly after GW3.

A DNL would cost what, 4?

In a full OOB situation?  I would use the EP costs from F&E but "fighter factors" would have to be re-thought.   

EXAMPLES:

F-CF = 10 EP
F-CA =  8 EP
F-NCL = 5 EP
F-DN+ = 14 EP
F-DNL = 16 EP
F-DNH = 18 EP


F-DNL = 16 EP

[FireSoul]

Wouldn't keeping track be a pain? Is there a way to automate this process?

[FPF-DieHard]

Wouldn't keeping track be a pain? Is there a way to automate this process?

hell yeah!!!!  I never in a billion years would want to do this if it couldn't be automated!!  We could do this we an Excel spreadsheet like we did in the GW GSA campaigns.

SQL is our only hope. 

[FireSoul]

Wouldn't keeping track be a pain? Is there a way to automate this process?

hell yeah!!!!  I never in a billion years would want to do this if it couldn't be automated!!

SQL is our only hope. 

My thoughts exactly..
Oh! .. Remember that thing I talked to you about? That idea of mine?.. ..  ... *grin* 

[FPF-DieHard]

Wouldn't keeping track be a pain? Is there a way to automate this process?

hell yeah!!!!  I never in a billion years would want to do this if it couldn't be automated!!

SQL is our only hope. 

My thoughts exactly..
Oh! .. Remember that thing I talked to you about? That idea of mine?.. ..  ... *grin* 

The "Web-based" shipyard and spacedock?

[FireSoul]

Yes, well, that..
... that and my current shiplist enhancements in extra columns that I'm doing until I can test it. I *am* defining which ships are "LINE_SHIPS" you know..

.. if this works out, I'll have a shiplist API that support what the web interface will require without the ships being hardcoded. Of course it needs to be hardcoded anyways, in the shiplist.. but you just have to maintain THAT one source.

.. also, missions can become yet more savy.


More to come later. Must work now, and play tonight. This entire thing is shelved until I am satiated with gameplay.

-- Luc

[Mog]

I'm having fun flying all sorts of ships I refused to fly in the past. Only one I haven't enjoyed so far is the D5VK. Despite having 2 drone racks added, it's still crap, imho, compared to the other D5s. It's underpowered and the fighters are lacklustre to say the least. Does have one thing in its favour, and that is the K refit.

Talking of which, I noticed that some K refits are out now. Would be nice for them all to come out earlier in future servers.

[FPF-DieHard]

I'm having fun flying all sorts of ships I refused to fly in the past. Only one I haven't enjoyed so far is the D5VK. Despite having 2 drone racks added, it's still crap, imho, compared to the other D5s. It's underpowered and the fighters are lacklustre to say the least. Does have one thing in its favour, and that is the K refit.

Talking of which, I noticed that some K refits are out now. Would be nice for them all to come out earlier in future servers.

FYA's have not been touched from OP+, I'm assuming they match SFB.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Well..flying a C8B for the first time since AOTK hasn't been the coolest thing since M&Ms, but it's still been enjoyable being on voice-chat with folks...heheh.

[Age]

I'm having fun flying all sorts of ships I refused to fly in the past. Only one I haven't enjoyed so far is the D5VK. Despite having 2 drone racks added, it's still crap, imho, compared to the other D5s. It's underpowered and the fighters are lacklustre to say the least. Does have one thing in its favour, and that is the K refit.

Talking of which, I noticed that some K refits are out now. Would be nice for them all to come out earlier in future servers.

What is a K refit?

[Mog]

I'm having fun flying all sorts of ships I refused to fly in the past. Only one I haven't enjoyed so far is the D5VK. Despite having 2 drone racks added, it's still crap, imho, compared to the other D5s. It's underpowered and the fighters are lacklustre to say the least. Does have one thing in its favour, and that is the K refit.

Talking of which, I noticed that some K refits are out now. Would be nice for them all to come out earlier in future servers.

Fairy snuffski

Age, the K refit is the replacement of a number of Ph2s on Klingon ships by ph1s. Turns, for example, a D7C into a D7L, D5C into the best little ship for me to fly since sliced bread, D5L amongst others.

The balance between Klingon ships and Federation ships is that the Klingons have more phasers (which are weaker) and that they can put more ships in the field (in SFB scenarios and F&E). It's the quantity v quality doctrines. Whether that should apply to SFC is a bit debatable imho. I for one would like to see the ph2 removed from all the races that have it on their warships.
FYA's have not been touched from OP+, I'm assuming they match SFB.

[Age]

Thanks Mog.That intersting to know I don't have 3.4 yet.

[Green]

I'm not happy about the lack of Kzinti players.

Yeah, but ... eh ... we'll live.

Nevertheless,  I am personally having a ball.   Even though I have lost every single PvP match. 

For me it's having a wingman.  I really like winging with Die Hard and Green and the others.

Definately agree w/ ya on that one.  Even if I lose or my wingman gets blown-up ... its a blast (sts).

   Die Hard especially because it's funny to hear his blood pressure rise when he's screaming at me. <snicker>

ABSOLUTELY.  DH is probably the person I enjoy flying allied with the most simply because it is a hoot to hear him yell at me to do one thing or another (even if I'm actually doing the right moves and he is ... isn't).  Not because I like being yelled at (though I am use to that), but rather I like seeing a player who really enjoys the game that much more.  It actually makes me enjoy it too (In a perverse, Kroma, kinda way. )

Its been a GG

[Green]

  Next the Kzin will deny flying drone boats 

HEY!  I don't fly droners ... I fly "disrupter impared" ships.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

I'm not happy about the lack of Kzinti players.

Yeah, but ... eh ... we'll live.

Nevertheless,  I am personally having a ball.   Even though I have lost every single PvP match. 

For me it's having a wingman.  I really like winging with Die Hard and Green and the others.

Definately agree w/ ya on that one.  Even if I lose or my wingman gets blown-up ... its a blast (sts).

   Die Hard especially because it's funny to hear his blood pressure rise when he's screaming at me. <snicker>

ABSOLUTELY.  DH is probably the person I enjoy flying allied with the most simply because it is a hoot to hear him yell at me to do one thing or another (even if I'm actually doing the right moves and he is ... isn't).  Not because I like being yelled at (though I am use to that), but rather I like seeing a player who really enjoys the game that much more.  It actually makes me enjoy it too (In a perverse, Kroma, kinda way. )

Its been a GG

Yeah...DH is a hoot on voicecomms...dude is into the game...heheh.


BTW...I'll note for the record that today when I was home for lunch, the server population was around 9 players and two thirds of them were Klingon during that hour.  Oddly enough, the Coalition was the side that was on the defensive...heheh.  


I was huntin' ya, Green...not that the C8B has a chance...but we were lookin' for you and Bear....heheh.

[KAT J'inn]

or my wingman gets blown-up ... its a blast (sts).

SHADDUP!

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Was he talking about you, J'inn!?   

[KAT J'inn]

Was he talking about you, J'inn!?   

<grumble>

[Bonk]

A few things to say on this thread:

1) Lepton, I hope you stick around, but take a break if you need to, just come back to visit and give us sh*t once in a while.

2) I will make a good low DV all races large map...  I will make a good low DV all races large map...
 I will make a good low DV all races large map... ... 

The dynamic of a low DV map is different, faster and fun, a do or die situation (traditional alliances necessary), one that can turn in a day or even a few hours...

But what's this?:

Yes, well, that..
... that and my current shiplist enhancements in extra columns that I'm doing until I can test it. I *am* defining which ships are "LINE_SHIPS" you know..

.. if this works out, I'll have a shiplist API that support what the web interface will require without the ships being hardcoded. Of course it needs to be hardcoded anyways, in the shiplist.. but you just have to maintain THAT one source.

.. also, missions can become yet more savy.


More to come later. Must work now, and play tonight. This entire thing is shelved until I am satiated with gameplay.

-- Luc

hmmm very cool. If I get what you are talking about, I have begun something similar by adding info to the last column of the shiplist to restrict individual ships from purchase on the webmap shipyard.

If you can add new columns and it won't upset the server or client and is accessible by mission scripts and web apps, then it is well worth doing, should be standardised and discussed! That would be too cool, plenty of uses!

[Cleaven]

What methods, if any, are available to to give more stable multiplayer PvP missions? I get the impression there are none.

[SkyFlyer]

Broadband, and a lot of ram.

[Dizzy]

Hope u dont quit Lepton. I really like ya. Despite what some may think. You have a distinctive character that I think I'd miss. I'd sure missi you as a player too.

Servers... There's something for everyone, but in your case, you state there isnt enough there for you. Hope that changes with the way future servers are run. Shame to have someone like you quit. You're a popular guy. You add a lot to the forums. Always an interesting thread with you in it on the 1st page, heh.

[Grim]

Broadband, and a lot of ram.

I dont think this helps increase stability at all, i have had broadband for the past 5 months or so and there were times on the D2 where i crashed 4 missions in a row. Funny thing was after that i didnt crash for 3 days.

I find GSA more stable to me than D2, at least it can hold 6 player battles, most of the time.

[FPF-DieHard]

Broadband, and a lot of ram.

I dont think this helps increase stability at all, i have had broadband for the past 5 months or so and there were times on the D2 where i crashed 4 missions in a row. Funny thing was after that i didnt crash for 3 days.

I find GSA more stable to me than D2, at least it can hold 6 player battles, most of the time.

Your oponents could have had crappy connections.

i think good computer + Good Graphics card + high speed/low latency conection - Spyware and other resources eating crap = stable multiplayer.

[Grim]

True, but i used to be able to host 6 player games on GSA with 56k sometimes lower depending on what time of the day.

[el-Karnak]

ABSOLUTELY.  DH is probably the person I enjoy flying allied with the most simply because it is a hoot to hear him yell at me to do one thing or another (even if I'm actually doing the right moves and he is ... isn't).  Not because I like being yelled at (though I am use to that), but rather I like seeing a player who really enjoys the game that much more.  It actually makes me enjoy it too (In a perverse, Kroma, kinda way. )

its been a GG

DH on TS:



*snicker*

[Soreyes]

ABSOLUTELY.  DH is probably the person I enjoy flying allied with the most simply because it is a hoot to hear him yell at me to do one thing or another (even if I'm actually doing the right moves and he is ... isn't).  Not because I like being yelled at (though I am use to that), but rather I like seeing a player who really enjoys the game that much more.  It actually makes me enjoy it too (In a perverse, Kroma, kinda way. )

its been a GG

DH on TS:




*snicker*

Now hold on there. DH was very civil with me the other night on TS. Yes thats right. He only yelled at me once during a planet assalt.......something about turning off my tracktor beam during close combat with a D5E...... I accidentally hooked it on DHs ship

[FPF-DieHard]

True, but i used to be able to host 6 player games on GSA with 56k sometimes lower depending on what time of the day.

Direct IP are even more stable, and great when you want to fly for 5 hour training sessions as you don't have to pop in and out.

[el-Karnak]

True, but i used to be able to host 6 player games on GSA with 56k sometimes lower depending on what time of the day.

Direct IP are even more stable, and great when you want to fly for 5 hour training sessions as you don't have to pop in and out.

Every scripter, potential or otherwise, should use the FFA mission script for multi-player used by Direct IP games as their base starting point when creating dynaverse compatible mission scripts.

[FPF-DieHard]

True, but i used to be able to host 6 player games on GSA with 56k sometimes lower depending on what time of the day.

Direct IP are even more stable, and great when you want to fly for 5 hour training sessions as you don't have to pop in and out.

Every scripter, potential or otherwise, should use the FFA mission script for multi-player used by Direct IP games as their base starting point when creating dynaverse compatible mission scripts.

On a similar note, is mission loading time a factor?  I've noticed that in multiplayer, the stock D2 missions take longer to load.   is this a tweakable setting?