Topic: What Happens When Kzin Space Is Gone?

[Soreyes]

Umm I believe that all of Kzin space will be gone by probably Thursday. A hat's off to the Klinks for a good plan and a hell of a turn out.

My Question is if there is no more Kzin space, what happens to the Kzin players?  I mean our shipyards are a joke right now. Are we then folded into the Feds and have to start a new account.  Just wondering

[FireSoul]

Umm I believe that all of Kzin space will be gone by probably Thursday. A hat's off to the Klinks for a good plan and a hell of a turn out.

My Question is if there is no more Kzin space, what happens to the Kzin players?  I mean our shipyards are a joke right now. Are we then folded into the Feds and have to start a new account.  Just wondering

I think so. You're allowed to have multiple accounts between the races of your side. ..
... which means switching to Fed if you want to use its shipyards.

[Kroma BaSyl]

Jinn has also indicated that rotting fur to flip a Fed base or planet deep in their space would be legal.

[Soreyes]

Jinn has also indicated that rotting fur to flip a Fed base or planet deep in their space would be legal.

That I did not know.  Gee yesterday morning I went up and tried to flip a few of our home space hexes back to Kzin. Boy did I get slapped down pretty hard It seems that the Klinks get real Cranky when you try to take back space, that they have just taken from you

[FireSoul]

Jinn has also indicated that rotting fur to flip a Fed base or planet deep in their space would be legal.

Tsk.

[Dizzy]

...all your base belong to us...

[Lepton]

LOL, it's "all your base are belong to us".  That's why it's funny.  If you're going to be snarky, at least get it right.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

I doubt very seriously there will ever be a situation where all Mirak bases and hexes are gone.  Any base hex that has a full-SB in it is easily defended if anyone happens to be online and decides to defend it.  Of course, anything can happen, I just don't think it's likely to occur.


At any rate, I believe it is still the custom that players can have multiple accounts, so Alliance players can always have an account in each race.


While I don't think it's necessarily funny in this context, "all your base are belong to us" rarely fails to make me chuckle.  Heck..I could go for a repost of the whole dialogue, right about now! 

[FireSoul]

http://pet.dhs.org/~firesoul/swf/AYB2.swf

[KBFLordKrueg]

Jinn has also indicated that rotting fur to flip a Fed base or planet deep in their space would be legal.

Tsk.

How convenent to allow this on this server suddenly...that's pretty bogus if ya ask me...
Isn't the same thing as: Forfeiting missions to move around on the map is not permitted.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Not at all Kreug, it would be similar to an economic aid package.  The is no avoiding missions involved here.  Or like in the past when a base was flipped the wrong color and someone lost a mission so that another player could flip it the desired way.  Done this myself with the KBF before when we were allied.

[FPF-DieHard]

We'll give the Kzin a nice little reseravtion where they can open a casino and sell duty-free cigarettes 

[KAT J'inn]

Okay before this gets silly.   Being able to give a base or a planet to an ally has been okay in D2 for as long as I can remember.

The only rule on the issue for GW is: 

When playing a game against the AI in a neutral hex, do not immediately run off of the battlefield map in order to run down the defensive value (DV) of the hex.

Now I didn't put in the Rotting Fur Rule, i.e, no creating a false account as an enemy and running around lossing missions to screw them, as I thought ti was so obvious that it did not need saying.

So nothing has been changed.   It could have been done in GW1, GW2, 4 5 6 whatever.    It's specifically why I don't place allied bases in other allies territory on the maps.   I let the players decide which ones to give.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Not at all Kreug, it would be similar to an economic aid package.  The is no avoiding missions involved here.  Or like in the past when a base was flipped the wrong color and someone lost a mission so that another player could flip it the desired way.  Done this myself with the KBF before when we were allied.

Yeah...I don't necessarily see this as a huge problem, myself.  I am sure both sides in any given campaign have had something flip the wrong color and need to change ownership.  However, I also remember there being a huge dust-up about it on CW5...where the Klingons and ISC thought it was okay but were overruled by the Alliance and the Admins when the Kzin homeworld was accidentally flipped ISC instead of Klingon.  So, there is precedent at work here, I guess.


Maybe make a rule that says something like "newely acquired assets can have an ownership change but starting assets can't experience a change of ownership unless the enemy has controlled that asset at some point in the past...?"

[el-Karnak]

Kzin and Feds are allies.  They can do whatever they want regarding base placement without any advisory assistance from the Klingons.

Saying the Feds cannot place a base in Kzin base and vice versa in allied territory is tantamount to saying that the US could not place bases in the UK during WW2.  Saying that the Germans had to invade the UK first before the US can place a base there is ludricrous in the extreme. Same goes for, saying the Feds cannot place a base in Kzin space unless the Klingons took it first.

Churchill to FDR:  "We would dearly like you to base the 8th Air force in the England and base a big US army in Surrey so we can invade Normandy soon. BUT, we have to persuade that bad, bad, man with the mustache to coduct Operation Sealion first and invade us.  Then you can go take that UK despoiled land back and use it for your base."

German OKW:  "Damn Right!! ZAT!!  *snicker*. Now, vere is zat map of Russia. We have no worries about a 2nd front, hehe".

[Age]

I wouldn't mind seeing a map of this.I like seeing those battle maps you post in here.Thanks.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Kzin and Feds are allies.  They can do whatever they want regarding base placement without any advisory assistance from the Klingons.

Saying the Feds cannot place a base in Kzin base and vice versa in allied territory is tantamount to saying that the US could not place bases in the UK during WW2.  Saying that the Germans had to invade the UK first before the US can place a base there is ludricrous in the extreme. Same goes for, saying the Feds cannot place a base in Kzin space unless the Klingons took it first.

Churchill to FDR:  "We would dearly like you to base the 8th Air force in the England and base a big US army in Surrey so we can invade Normandy soon. BUT, we have to persuade that bad, bad, man with the mustache to coduct Operation Sealion first and invade us.  Then you can go take that UK despoiled land back and use it for your base."

German OKW:  "Damn Right!! ZAT!!  *snicker*. Now, vere is zat map of Russia. We have no worries about a 2nd front, hehe".

Your misplaced, though somewhat comical diatribe aside, that isn't what I said at all, Karnak. 

I was talking about failing missions on a base to flip it neutral so it could be turned to the allied race's side.  To my knowledge, this hasn't really been addressed directly in some time.  I mentioned that I think both sides probably do a little of this when a freshly captured asset "turns the wrong color."  However, I don't believe anyone has specificly run down a starting asset so it could be turned over to an ally since way back in the old CW fun servers (before your time).  This is what I understood was being discussed.


I was merely suggesting a possible snippet of language that would perhaps help us formalize a rule.  I wasn't looking to dictate anything.


I never said anything about placing bases.  Obviously, that can be done anywhere pursuant to the rules currently in force.


I've always been on record as believing allies should be able to fully cooperate with each other.  That's why I felt like the incident on CW5 was poorly resolved.

[FPF-DieHard]

I've always been on record as believing allies should be able to fully cooperate with each other.  That's why I felt like the incident on CW5 was poorly resolved.

hey old man, most of us weren't here for CW5  <Snicker>

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

ROFL....sorry about that, DH...heheh.  I'd go into more details on the situation, but I'm not sure it would make much difference to the issue at hand.  It was the only time in SFC2 history that I actually full-on snapped.   


There aren't many people left here that played in the campaign, actually.  Gook probably remembers it since the race he was RMing at the time was directly involved.



Anyway...somehow, someone has gotten the wrong idea of what I meant.  I was only trying to discuss the issue.  I don't know why it is that more and more I'm being misunderstood.  Maybe i'm posting in too much of a hurry...

[Mazeppa]

Umm I believe that all of Kzin space will be gone by probably Thursday. A hat's off to the Klinks for a good plan and a hell of a turn out.

My Question is if there is no more Kzin space, what happens to the Kzin players?  I mean our shipyards are a joke right now. Are we then folded into the Feds and have to start a new account.  Just wondering

Maybe you could ask your allies to help you?