Topic: What Happens When Kzin Space Is Gone?

[Soreyes]

Umm I believe that all of Kzin space will be gone by probably Thursday. A hat's off to the Klinks for a good plan and a hell of a turn out.

My Question is if there is no more Kzin space, what happens to the Kzin players?  I mean our shipyards are a joke right now. Are we then folded into the Feds and have to start a new account.  Just wondering

[FireSoul]

Umm I believe that all of Kzin space will be gone by probably Thursday. A hat's off to the Klinks for a good plan and a hell of a turn out.

My Question is if there is no more Kzin space, what happens to the Kzin players?  I mean our shipyards are a joke right now. Are we then folded into the Feds and have to start a new account.  Just wondering

I think so. You're allowed to have multiple accounts between the races of your side. ..
... which means switching to Fed if you want to use its shipyards.

[Kroma BaSyl]

Jinn has also indicated that rotting fur to flip a Fed base or planet deep in their space would be legal.

[Soreyes]

Jinn has also indicated that rotting fur to flip a Fed base or planet deep in their space would be legal.

That I did not know.  Gee yesterday morning I went up and tried to flip a few of our home space hexes back to Kzin. Boy did I get slapped down pretty hard It seems that the Klinks get real Cranky when you try to take back space, that they have just taken from you

[FireSoul]

Jinn has also indicated that rotting fur to flip a Fed base or planet deep in their space would be legal.

Tsk.

[Dizzy]

...all your base belong to us...

[Lepton]

LOL, it's "all your base are belong to us".  That's why it's funny.  If you're going to be snarky, at least get it right.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

I doubt very seriously there will ever be a situation where all Mirak bases and hexes are gone.  Any base hex that has a full-SB in it is easily defended if anyone happens to be online and decides to defend it.  Of course, anything can happen, I just don't think it's likely to occur.


At any rate, I believe it is still the custom that players can have multiple accounts, so Alliance players can always have an account in each race.


While I don't think it's necessarily funny in this context, "all your base are belong to us" rarely fails to make me chuckle.  Heck..I could go for a repost of the whole dialogue, right about now! 

[FireSoul]

http://pet.dhs.org/~firesoul/swf/AYB2.swf

[KBFLordKrueg]

Jinn has also indicated that rotting fur to flip a Fed base or planet deep in their space would be legal.

Tsk.

How convenent to allow this on this server suddenly...that's pretty bogus if ya ask me...
Isn't the same thing as: Forfeiting missions to move around on the map is not permitted.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Not at all Kreug, it would be similar to an economic aid package.  The is no avoiding missions involved here.  Or like in the past when a base was flipped the wrong color and someone lost a mission so that another player could flip it the desired way.  Done this myself with the KBF before when we were allied.

[FPF-DieHard]

We'll give the Kzin a nice little reseravtion where they can open a casino and sell duty-free cigarettes 

[KAT J'inn]

Okay before this gets silly.   Being able to give a base or a planet to an ally has been okay in D2 for as long as I can remember.

The only rule on the issue for GW is: 

When playing a game against the AI in a neutral hex, do not immediately run off of the battlefield map in order to run down the defensive value (DV) of the hex.

Now I didn't put in the Rotting Fur Rule, i.e, no creating a false account as an enemy and running around lossing missions to screw them, as I thought ti was so obvious that it did not need saying.

So nothing has been changed.   It could have been done in GW1, GW2, 4 5 6 whatever.    It's specifically why I don't place allied bases in other allies territory on the maps.   I let the players decide which ones to give.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Not at all Kreug, it would be similar to an economic aid package.  The is no avoiding missions involved here.  Or like in the past when a base was flipped the wrong color and someone lost a mission so that another player could flip it the desired way.  Done this myself with the KBF before when we were allied.

Yeah...I don't necessarily see this as a huge problem, myself.  I am sure both sides in any given campaign have had something flip the wrong color and need to change ownership.  However, I also remember there being a huge dust-up about it on CW5...where the Klingons and ISC thought it was okay but were overruled by the Alliance and the Admins when the Kzin homeworld was accidentally flipped ISC instead of Klingon.  So, there is precedent at work here, I guess.


Maybe make a rule that says something like "newely acquired assets can have an ownership change but starting assets can't experience a change of ownership unless the enemy has controlled that asset at some point in the past...?"

[el-Karnak]

Kzin and Feds are allies.  They can do whatever they want regarding base placement without any advisory assistance from the Klingons.

Saying the Feds cannot place a base in Kzin base and vice versa in allied territory is tantamount to saying that the US could not place bases in the UK during WW2.  Saying that the Germans had to invade the UK first before the US can place a base there is ludricrous in the extreme. Same goes for, saying the Feds cannot place a base in Kzin space unless the Klingons took it first.

Churchill to FDR:  "We would dearly like you to base the 8th Air force in the England and base a big US army in Surrey so we can invade Normandy soon. BUT, we have to persuade that bad, bad, man with the mustache to coduct Operation Sealion first and invade us.  Then you can go take that UK despoiled land back and use it for your base."

German OKW:  "Damn Right!! ZAT!!  *snicker*. Now, vere is zat map of Russia. We have no worries about a 2nd front, hehe".

[Age]

I wouldn't mind seeing a map of this.I like seeing those battle maps you post in here.Thanks.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Kzin and Feds are allies.  They can do whatever they want regarding base placement without any advisory assistance from the Klingons.

Saying the Feds cannot place a base in Kzin base and vice versa in allied territory is tantamount to saying that the US could not place bases in the UK during WW2.  Saying that the Germans had to invade the UK first before the US can place a base there is ludricrous in the extreme. Same goes for, saying the Feds cannot place a base in Kzin space unless the Klingons took it first.

Churchill to FDR:  "We would dearly like you to base the 8th Air force in the England and base a big US army in Surrey so we can invade Normandy soon. BUT, we have to persuade that bad, bad, man with the mustache to coduct Operation Sealion first and invade us.  Then you can go take that UK despoiled land back and use it for your base."

German OKW:  "Damn Right!! ZAT!!  *snicker*. Now, vere is zat map of Russia. We have no worries about a 2nd front, hehe".

Your misplaced, though somewhat comical diatribe aside, that isn't what I said at all, Karnak. 

I was talking about failing missions on a base to flip it neutral so it could be turned to the allied race's side.  To my knowledge, this hasn't really been addressed directly in some time.  I mentioned that I think both sides probably do a little of this when a freshly captured asset "turns the wrong color."  However, I don't believe anyone has specificly run down a starting asset so it could be turned over to an ally since way back in the old CW fun servers (before your time).  This is what I understood was being discussed.


I was merely suggesting a possible snippet of language that would perhaps help us formalize a rule.  I wasn't looking to dictate anything.


I never said anything about placing bases.  Obviously, that can be done anywhere pursuant to the rules currently in force.


I've always been on record as believing allies should be able to fully cooperate with each other.  That's why I felt like the incident on CW5 was poorly resolved.

[FPF-DieHard]

I've always been on record as believing allies should be able to fully cooperate with each other.  That's why I felt like the incident on CW5 was poorly resolved.

hey old man, most of us weren't here for CW5  <Snicker>

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

ROFL....sorry about that, DH...heheh.  I'd go into more details on the situation, but I'm not sure it would make much difference to the issue at hand.  It was the only time in SFC2 history that I actually full-on snapped.   


There aren't many people left here that played in the campaign, actually.  Gook probably remembers it since the race he was RMing at the time was directly involved.



Anyway...somehow, someone has gotten the wrong idea of what I meant.  I was only trying to discuss the issue.  I don't know why it is that more and more I'm being misunderstood.  Maybe i'm posting in too much of a hurry...

[Mazeppa]

Umm I believe that all of Kzin space will be gone by probably Thursday. A hat's off to the Klinks for a good plan and a hell of a turn out.

My Question is if there is no more Kzin space, what happens to the Kzin players?  I mean our shipyards are a joke right now. Are we then folded into the Feds and have to start a new account.  Just wondering

Maybe you could ask your allies to help you?

[FPF-DieHard]

Umm I believe that all of Kzin space will be gone by probably Thursday. A hat's off to the Klinks for a good plan and a hell of a turn out.

My Question is if there is no more Kzin space, what happens to the Kzin players?  I mean our shipyards are a joke right now. Are we then folded into the Feds and have to start a new account.  Just wondering

Maybe you could ask your allies to help you?

They're busy playing Eve 

[FireSoul]

Well, it's gonna be the EVE of the Mirak's destruction unless they show up.

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Well, it's gonna be the EVE of the Mirak's destruction unless they show up.

They're too busy minin' rocks fer fifteen bucks a month to care one way or the other

[FPF-DieHard]

Well, it's gonna be the EVE of the Mirak's destruction unless they show up.

Oh that was PAINFUL!!!!! 

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Well, it's gonna be the EVE of the Mirak's destruction unless they show up.

Still smarting from being the first player killed on the server I see Firesoul......

In a real war, you'd never have lived to see the result......

<Snicker>

Of course if you were Kzin that might not be so bad......

[SkyFlyer]

All your base are belong to us... Whats funny is that that game sucked.

[FireSoul]

Well, it's gonna be the EVE of the Mirak's destruction unless they show up.

Still smarting from being the first player killed on the server I see Firesoul......

In a real war, you'd never have lived to see the result......

<Snicker>

Of course if you were Kzin that might not be so bad......

I'll be fine: I haven't died since.

[el-Karnak]

Well, it's gonna be the EVE of the Mirak's destruction unless they show up.

They're too busy minin' rocks fer fifteen bucks a month to care one way or the other

You mean they are PAYING $15 per month to mine rocks.  Like, whoa....

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Well, it's gonna be the EVE of the Mirak's destruction unless they show up.

They're too busy minin' rocks fer fifteen bucks a month to care one way or the other

You mean they are PAYING $15 per month to mine rocks.  Like, whoa....

Yeah, somebody oughtta be payin' the players back their fifteen bucks a month fer diggin' them rocks

$15 a month... PFFFFFFFT! I can think of a million things that I'd rather spend $15 on every month, things other than minin' asteroids fer fun That game's just a scam.

[FPF-AJTK]

As a known DIEHARD (pun intended) SFB/SFC whore, I have to say "dont knock it till ya try it, LeRoy." Im playin Eve right now as I cant play on the GW3 due to lag issues. You can do a myriad of things other than mine rocks, numnuts! 

Mining is just the fastest way to get money to build bigger ships, the same reason we hex(x) munch in SFC to farm PP to buy that bigger ship.

You can also EASILY engage in all the PvP combat you want (or dont want if you enter the wrong system)
You can do "missions" some of which are random and some are canned as part of the story line.
You can open a corporation and build things which you sell.
You can be a trader and go to systems where stuff is cheap and sell it in systems where it is worth 100X more.

Again, its all so you can move up from FF to CA to BB and all the other types of ships.

I know alot of people are peeved the SSCF has largely moved on to Eve, but last time I checked there was no LAW saying you have to have SFC loaded each time your PC is turned on...

Me, Id rather play SFC, and keep trying daily, but I simply can not play in PvP on this server, no idea as to why. Horrible lag. Im not gonna subject my friends or foes to a ruined PvP match due to my being stupid and logging on with a crappy connection.

Last time I checked LeRoy, you had no problem jumping into BF42 WITH the SSCF peeps instead of playing SFC...   

Regardless, I hear the resentment building in various threads and boards to people playing something other than SFC and Im getting ready to pay Dizzy the $25 fee to use STFU on em.

Ive been on here since PRE-SFC1 and I will still be playing it as long as I am able to run it. Been playing SFB 24 years, figure Im not gonna stop playing either one anytime soon.

Its a game, leave your issues at home.

LeRoy, this aint directed soley at you, your just the lucky one to catch me on about the 4th thread Ive read dumping on Eve players.

EDIT: I have heard that several of the SSCF types have given up on SFC/taken an indefinite break from SFC due to just this kinda political crap.

As for me, I surely didnt:
1)Practice 3-5 nights a week with DH and others and even post a thread asking others to join us to not play on the server if it was at all possible
2)Join the FPF if I knew I was gonna stop playing SFC.

 

[FPF-DieHard]

I know alot of people are peeved the SSCF has largely moved on to Eve, but last time I checked there was no LAW saying you have to have SFC loaded each time your PC is turned on...

I don't think anybody is peeved, just sad to see players leave.

[SSCF-LeRoy]

As a known DIEHARD (pun intended) SFB/SFC whore, I have to say "dont knock it till ya try it, LeRoy."

Well, I got a disk in the mail, it won't work, and I have no income to pay the monthly charge with so what's the point of even tryin' it? Besides, I've got a full plate as far as gamin' goes with GW3 right now.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Well, it's gonna be the EVE of the Mirak's destruction unless they show up.

They're too busy minin' rocks fer fifteen bucks a month to care one way or the other

You mean they are PAYING $15 per month to mine rocks.  Like, whoa....

Exactly!  It's EverCrack for the Sci-Fi inclined...heheh.

[FPF-DieHard]

Exactly!  It's EverCrack for the Sci-Fi inclined...heheh.

I honestly am scared to try these game as i hav e a very addictive personality (quiting smoking was tough!!!!).   At least with D2 you get breaks.

Though if Paramount does an MMORPG and it looks good . . . 

An MMORPG on GURPS Prime Directive would be kinda cool.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

I know alot of people are peeved the SSCF has largely moved on to Eve, but last time I checked there was no LAW saying you have to have SFC loaded each time your PC is turned on...

I don't think anybody is peeved, just sad to see players leave.

Exactly...


For my part, I'm quite happy to see anyone doing whatever they consider to be fun and/or the best thing for them.  I miss just about everyone that moves on from this game.  Eventually, I'm going to go too...but for now, I'm still having fun playing SFC.


I'm most definitely not peeved and I in no way hold it against the SSCF or anyone for playing EVE or whatever else they want to play and enjoying themselves in their free time.  Heck...I'm playing with my daughters more than I'm playing SFC....heheh.  Although, now, Jessica is wanting more and more to play SFC with me.  Makes for interesting missions.  

[SSCF-LeRoy]

I know alot of people are peeved the SSCF has largely moved on to Eve, but last time I checked there was no LAW saying you have to have SFC loaded each time your PC is turned on...

I don't think anybody is peeved, just sad to see players leave.

Exactly...


For my part, I'm quite happy to see anyone doing whatever they consider to be fun and/or the best thing for them.  I miss just about everyone that moves on from this game.  Eventually, I'm going to go too...but for now, I'm still having fun playing SFC.


I'm most definitely not peeved and I in no way hold it against the SSCF or anyone for playing EVE or whatever else they want to play and enjoying themselves in their free time.

That's the way I feel about it. I'm glad my fleetmates are havin' fun but sad that they're no longer around Kinda makes fleet membership meaningless when yer almost the only one still around

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Exactly!  It's EverCrack for the Sci-Fi inclined...heheh.

I honestly am scared to try these game as i hav e a very addictive personality (quiting smoking was tough!!!!).   At least with D2 you get breaks.

Though if Paramount does an MMORPG and it looks good . . . 

An MMORPG on GURPS Prime Directive would be kinda cool.

You an me both, dude.  Although I have never been addicted to drugs and alcohol, I used to smoke in my teens.  I quit that and started chewing tobacco.  I stopped that and went nuts with SFB and D&D.  I stopped that and went nuts with the RTS games (WarCraft, StarCraft, the Command and Conquers and the Dune games,to name a few).  I stopped that and have been addicted to SFC for the past four or five years...I've lost count..lol.  During much of this time, that time, I was addicted to music collecting.  I dropped that for DVD collecting (I now have a sickening number of DVDs).


It's going to take a lot of willpower for me to control myself if I get involved with EVE, I just know it.  

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

I know alot of people are peeved the SSCF has largely moved on to Eve, but last time I checked there was no LAW saying you have to have SFC loaded each time your PC is turned on...

I don't think anybody is peeved, just sad to see players leave.

Exactly...


For my part, I'm quite happy to see anyone doing whatever they consider to be fun and/or the best thing for them.  I miss just about everyone that moves on from this game.  Eventually, I'm going to go too...but for now, I'm still having fun playing SFC.


I'm most definitely not peeved and I in no way hold it against the SSCF or anyone for playing EVE or whatever else they want to play and enjoying themselves in their free time.

That's the way I feel about it. I'm glad my fleetmates are havin' fun but sad that they're no longer around Kinda makes fleet membership meaningless when yer almost the only one around

As hard a decision as it might be, you might think about joining another fleet, eh? 

KDS-Kytarh was the last remaining Klingon Dark Slayer for years...he finally gave in and accepted dual-membership wirh the KBF.


I know you have flown Fred all this time, but you're welcome to join us if you're looking for something different.  If not...the F1AF and FPF are awesome groups of guys and fly the Blue, man...

[el-Karnak]

As a known DIEHARD (pun intended) SFB/SFC whore, I have to say "dont knock it till ya try it, LeRoy." Im playin Eve right now as I cant play on the GW3 due to lag issues. You can do a myriad of things other than mine rocks, numnuts! 

Mining is just the fastest way to get money to build bigger ships, the same reason we hex(x) munch in SFC to farm PP to buy that bigger ship.

You can also EASILY engage in all the PvP combat you want (or dont want if you enter the wrong system)
You can do "missions" some of which are random and some are canned as part of the story line.
You can open a corporation and build things which you sell.
You can be a trader and go to systems where stuff is cheap and sell it in systems where it is worth 100X more.

Again, its all so you can move up from FF to CA to BB and all the other types of ships.

I know alot of people are peeved the SSCF has largely moved on to Eve, but last time I checked there was no LAW saying you have to have SFC loaded each time your PC is turned on...

Me, Id rather play SFC, and keep trying daily, but I simply can not play in PvP on this server, no idea as to why. Horrible lag. Im not gonna subject my friends or foes to a ruined PvP match due to my being stupid and logging on with a crappy connection.

Last time I checked LeRoy, you had no problem jumping into BF42 WITH the SSCF peeps instead of playing SFC...   

Regardless, I hear the resentment building in various threads and boards to people playing something other than SFC and Im getting ready to pay Dizzy the $25 fee to use STFU on em.

Ive been on here since PRE-SFC1 and I will still be playing it as long as I am able to run it. Been playing SFB 24 years, figure Im not gonna stop playing either one anytime soon.

Its a game, leave your issues at home.

LeRoy, this aint directed soley at you, your just the lucky one to catch me on about the 4th thread Ive read dumping on Eve players.

EDIT: I have heard that several of the SSCF types have given up on SFC/taken an indefinite break from SFC due to just this kinda political crap.

As for me, I surely didnt:
1)Practice 3-5 nights a week with DH and others and even post a thread asking others to join us to not play on the server if it was at all possible
2)Join the FPF if I knew I was gonna stop playing SFC.

 

Cannot speak for others, but I do NOT have any issues will people doing whatever they please with their leisure time.

My personal beef with EVE Online is the monthly subcription fee. I play lotsa money for the land line and DSL and then the game to have little desire to incur an additional montly expense.  It's just not on my money tree's priority list. There are a lot of other games that do not charge a montly fee so I will wait until I get bored with them first.  Been a couple years now, and am not bored yet.  I did try out Freelancer though cuz it has a lot of similarities with EVE without the monthly fee (ie. buy/sell stuff in different systems, build up points in battles and mining asteroid fields and junkyards, doing lotsa contract work, fight when you want to in a system of your choice, etc.).  The space combat, however, is not the same as SFC cuz it's more of the old Wing Commander series mold.

One question about of EVE, out of curiosity, what is the space combat like in EVE?  Like old Wing Commander battles?

[SSCF-LeRoy]

I know alot of people are peeved the SSCF has largely moved on to Eve, but last time I checked there was no LAW saying you have to have SFC loaded each time your PC is turned on...

I don't think anybody is peeved, just sad to see players leave.

Exactly...


For my part, I'm quite happy to see anyone doing whatever they consider to be fun and/or the best thing for them.  I miss just about everyone that moves on from this game.  Eventually, I'm going to go too...but for now, I'm still having fun playing SFC.


I'm most definitely not peeved and I in no way hold it against the SSCF or anyone for playing EVE or whatever else they want to play and enjoying themselves in their free time.

That's the way I feel about it. I'm glad my fleetmates are havin' fun but sad that they're no longer around Kinda makes fleet membership meaningless when yer almost the only one around

As hard a decision as it might be, you might think about joining another fleet, eh? 

KDS-Kytarh was the last remaining Klingon Dark Slayer for years...he finally gave in and accepted dual-membership wirh the KBF.


I know you have flown Fred all this time, but you're welcome to join us if you're looking for something different.  If not...the F1AF and FPF are awesome groups of guys and fly the Blue, man...

Thank you very much for the invitation, but I think I'll hold off on such a move until at least after the end of GW3 and see how things unfold further.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that during the first half of the 90's, I also got addicted to sports card collecting...mnan, that was expensive! 

[el-Karnak]

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that during the first half of the 90's, I also got addicted to sports card collecting...mnan, that was expensive! 

It could be worse. You could be addicted to sky-diving, skiing double-black diamond runs, scuba diving with Tiger sharks, racing your sports car on the inter-states, casino trips to Vega or AC, etc. 

[FPF-DieHard]

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that during the first half of the 90's, I also got addicted to sports card collecting...mnan, that was expensive! 

Of all my addictions/hobbies, SFC has been the least expensive.   That includes the cost of my server and gaming PCs!

[Kroma BaSyl]

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that during the first half of the 90's, I also got addicted to sports card collecting...mnan, that was expensive! 

Of all my addictions/hobbies, SFC has been the least expensive.   That includes the cost of my server and gaming PCs!

Sorry to hear that. In Illinois jackoff is free.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that during the first half of the 90's, I also got addicted to sports card collecting...mnan, that was expensive! 

Of all my addictions/hobbies, SFC has been the least expensive.   That includes the cost of my server and gaming PCs!

Sorry to hear that. In Illinois jackoff is free.

[FPF-DieHard]

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that during the first half of the 90's, I also got addicted to sports card collecting...mnan, that was expensive! 

Of all my addictions/hobbies, SFC has been the least expensive.   That includes the cost of my server and gaming PCs!

Sorry to hear that. In Illinois jackoff is free.

Yeah, but it would cost too much to move . . .

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that during the first half of the 90's, I also got addicted to sports card collecting...mnan, that was expensive! 

It could be worse. You could be addicted to sky-diving, skiing double-black diamond runs, scuba diving with Tiger sharks, racing your sports car on the inter-states, casino trips to Vega or AC, etc. 

hehe..true dat.  My addictions are all relatively safe...they just tend to be financially troubling...lol.  Take SFB, for instance.   During the 80's I had to buy it all, whether I was going to use it or not.  I just "updated" my SFB collection about six months ago...spending another $200+ dollars on stuff I'll probably never do anything with other than read...heheh.  I still want to buy a few more things, too...as well as increase my collection of Captain's Log issues.  I have a very compulsive personality...heheh...

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that during the first half of the 90's, I also got addicted to sports card collecting...mnan, that was expensive! 

Of all my addictions/hobbies, SFC has been the least expensive.   That includes the cost of my server and gaming PCs!

Sorry to hear that. In Illinois jackoff is free.

You get what you pay for, I guess....heheh.

[IAF Lyrkiller]

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that during the first half of the 90's, I also got addicted to sports card collecting...mnan, that was expensive! 

It could be worse. You could be addicted to sky-diving, skiing double-black diamond runs, scuba diving with Tiger sharks, racing your sports car on the inter-states, casino trips to Vega or AC, etc. 

hehe..true dat.  My addictions are all relatively safe...they just tend to be financially troubling...lol.  Take SFB, for instance.   During the 80's I had to buy it all, whether I was going to use it or not.  I just "updated" my SFB collection about six months ago...spending another $200+ dollars on stuff I'll probably never do anything with other than read...heheh.  I still want to buy a few more things, too...as well as increase my collection of Captain's Log issues.  I have a very compulsive personality...heheh...

Doggy you and me both, when i got out out of high school, i started to buy SFB, all of the CLs, rule updates etc. collected comics also. so yeah, i am there w/ you...

[FPF-DieHard]

Comics!!   Don't even go there!! 

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that during the first half of the 90's, I also got addicted to sports card collecting...mnan, that was expensive! 

It could be worse. You could be addicted to sky-diving, skiing double-black diamond runs, scuba diving with Tiger sharks, racing your sports car on the inter-states, casino trips to Vega or AC, etc. 

hehe..true dat.  My addictions are all relatively safe...they just tend to be financially troubling...lol.  Take SFB, for instance.   During the 80's I had to buy it all, whether I was going to use it or not.  I just "updated" my SFB collection about six months ago...spending another $200+ dollars on stuff I'll probably never do anything with other than read...heheh.  I still want to buy a few more things, too...as well as increase my collection of Captain's Log issues.  I have a very compulsive personality...heheh...

Doggy you and me both, when i got out out of high school, i started to buy SFB, all of the CLs, rule updates etc. collected comics also. so yeah, i am there w/ you...

Oh yeah....that was one of my illnesses during my young Warrior days...I collected the Conan mags and also liked things like Sgt. Rock, Wierd War, Unknown Soldier and others....heheh.  I'm trying to remember the one about the Sherman tank crew...the title is slipping my mind at the moment.  There was also a cowboy one I can't recall the name of...

[likkerpig]

  I'm trying to remember the one about the Sherman tank crew...the title is slipping my mind at the moment. 

G.I. Combat... featuring the Haunted Tank
They had several Shermans, a Stuart or two and some frankenstein thing....

[FPF-AJTK]

Allright, sorry for the hijack and sorry for the rant, but I read several anti-eve posts on SFC2.net and then came on here and there was LeRoy, lol. Sorry LeRoy, you didnt do anything to rank the flames buddy, just my frustrations at not being able to play GW3 and then getting slammed (by some) for playin another game.

Karnak, its got a 14 day free trial, Im not paying yet. But I will, its an awesome game.

Combat? Heh, its NOT SFC, Ill give ya that. It IS 3D, with all the bells and whisltes people like Harlequin and others have said SFC should have... Ill take SFC ANY DAY. The combat in Eve is point and click.... If youve got a gun with longer range, and your ship is at least as fast as the other guys, you can simply tell your ship to stay at range X and it will do it, while automatically pounding the crap outa the guy. It will even auto reload the weapons for you if you want. Granted, there is a PLETHORA of weapons systems on Eve, I have not even SEEN but a tiny fraction of them yet. And there are literally THOUSANDS, maybe TENS of THOUSANDS of systems to explore... Just imagine a map of the galaxy and you CAN GO to each and every star there!  (Obviously, that would be billions, but its a small galaxy   )

It combines sci-fi with an AD+D/Car wars kinda thing, really like car wars as you have to learn skills before you can use things. And then different skills cross-over to other skills... Clones if you die (but ya gotta pay for em) and INSURANCE ON YOUR SHIP! (J'inn could use that, so I hear...)

AND you can warp into ongoing battles and help your friends, that rocks.

We are in the Jupiter Mining Corp (name on the channel) and part of the Cold Steel Alliance. (Castrin is in the CSA) and last night, a bunch of the SSCF types were mining in a dangerous system and got jumped by two pirate humans in BB's. They had to run, but got Castrin and a bunch of CSA guys to come back em up. Ran the BB boys off and they sat rock while they mined.  (Course, Toten and I sat and mined in a boring old safe system and made more money each, lol)

Tons of things to do. And DH, Doggie, your right, if you try it, you WILL get hooked...

All in all tho, Id rather play on GW3, but Eve kicks ass. Yes, its gonna cost $15 a month, so what? I spend more than that a WEEK on sodas and crap from the Hadji mart next door to work.  I spend WAY more than that taking my GF and my son to the movies, sheesh!

Best thing, it has 100% reliable in game chat, so you can talk to your friends no matter where they are and what they are doing. TS obviously is a must for this game tho.

You can dload the 14 day free trial and the guys in the JMC will be happy to help ya out just like they did me, but be warned... Your not gonna be watching anymore TV, ROFL!

[Mazeppa]

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that during the first half of the 90's, I also got addicted to sports card collecting...mnan, that was expensive! 

It could be worse. You could be addicted to sky-diving, skiing double-black diamond runs, scuba diving with Tiger sharks, racing your sports car on the inter-states, casino trips to Vega or AC, etc. 

hehe..true dat.  My addictions are all relatively safe...they just tend to be financially troubling...lol.  Take SFB, for instance.   During the 80's I had to buy it all, whether I was going to use it or not.  I just "updated" my SFB collection about six months ago...spending another $200+ dollars on stuff I'll probably never do anything with other than read...heheh.  I still want to buy a few more things, too...as well as increase my collection of Captain's Log issues.  I have a very compulsive personality...heheh...

Doggy you and me both, when i got out out of high school, i started to buy SFB, all of the CLs, rule updates etc. collected comics also. so yeah, i am there w/ you...

Oh yeah....that was one of my illnesses during my young Warrior days...I collected the Conan mags and also liked things like Sgt. Rock, Wierd War, Unknown Soldier and others....heheh.  I'm trying to remember the one about the Sherman tank crew...the title is slipping my mind at the moment.  There was also a cowboy one I can't recall the name of...

How old are you?  You don't mean US Tank Commandos, do you?

Cowboy comics?  Kid Colt: Outlaw, or The Rawhide Kid?

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Allright, sorry for the hijack and sorry for the rant, but I read several anti-eve posts on SFC2.net and then came on here and there was LeRoy, lol. Sorry LeRoy, you didnt do anything to rank the flames buddy, just my frustrations at not being able to play GW3 and then getting slammed (by some) for playin another game.

NP, buddy. I'll grant ya that callin' EVE a scam was kinda strong. It's just not my thing...although it could be my thing if it was free

[FPF-DieHard]

I see nothing wrong with pay-to-play.  It costs money to run those kind of servers.  it's not something that some moron in NJ can run out of his apartment.

[Grim]

I think most of these players who have decided to take a break from sfc and play other games such as Eve, bf42 etc will come back. They are probably just trying something different not abandoning the game altogether.

Going to the pay to play thing i am not a fan personally, i think we pay enough as it is for games and the extra cost of money in most games i've seen so far havent been worth it. Plus they seem to be quite time consuming so they need a lot of dedicated time to get annywhere.

Though probably if i saw some kind of mmo i really liked and i thought yeah its worth it i might just play, but i havent found one yet heh.

lol major thread hijack from the demise of mirak space to a discussion about other games.

[Green]

it's not something that some moron in NJ can run out of his apartment.

Good God.  I hope we never stoop that low. 

[Cleaven]

Yes, SFC has had it's day. Chuck it in and take up SFB! Well actually just go into the SFB subdirectory and print out the Cadets Edition and go from there.

Look Ma. Plasma Bolts!

[el-Karnak]

Allright, sorry for the hijack and sorry for the rant, but I read several anti-eve posts on SFC2.net and then came on here and there was LeRoy, lol. Sorry LeRoy, you didnt do anything to rank the flames buddy, just my frustrations at not being able to play GW3 and then getting slammed (by some) for playin another game.

Karnak, its got a 14 day free trial, Im not paying yet. But I will, its an awesome game.

Combat? Heh, its NOT SFC, Ill give ya that. It IS 3D, with all the bells and whisltes people like Harlequin and others have said SFC should have... Ill take SFC ANY DAY. The combat in Eve is point and click.... If youve got a gun with longer range, and your ship is at least as fast as the other guys, you can simply tell your ship to stay at range X and it will do it, while automatically pounding the crap outa the guy. It will even auto reload the weapons for you if you want. Granted, there is a PLETHORA of weapons systems on Eve, I have not even SEEN but a tiny fraction of them yet. And there are literally THOUSANDS, maybe TENS of THOUSANDS of systems to explore... Just imagine a map of the galaxy and you CAN GO to each and every star there!  (Obviously, that would be billions, but its a small galaxy   )

It combines sci-fi with an AD+D/Car wars kinda thing, really like car wars as you have to learn skills before you can use things. And then different skills cross-over to other skills... Clones if you die (but ya gotta pay for em) and INSURANCE ON YOUR SHIP! (J'inn could use that, so I hear...)

AND you can warp into ongoing battles and help your friends, that rocks.

We are in the Jupiter Mining Corp (name on the channel) and part of the Cold Steel Alliance. (Castrin is in the CSA) and last night, a bunch of the SSCF types were mining in a dangerous system and got jumped by two pirate humans in BB's. They had to run, but got Castrin and a bunch of CSA guys to come back em up. Ran the BB boys off and they sat rock while they mined.  (Course, Toten and I sat and mined in a boring old safe system and made more money each, lol)

Tons of things to do. And DH, Doggie, your right, if you try it, you WILL get hooked...

All in all tho, Id rather play on GW3, but Eve kicks ass. Yes, its gonna cost $15 a month, so what? I spend more than that a WEEK on sodas and crap from the Hadji mart next door to work.  I spend WAY more than that taking my GF and my son to the movies, sheesh!

Best thing, it has 100% reliable in game chat, so you can talk to your friends no matter where they are and what they are doing. TS obviously is a must for this game tho.

You can dload the 14 day free trial and the guys in the JMC will be happy to help ya out just like they did me, but be warned... Your not gonna be watching anymore TV, ROFL!

Thank you very much for great description.  I will definitely try out the 14 day free trial after GW3.   I can never pass up on the freebies.

[KAT J'inn]

Cowboy comics?  Kid Colt: Outlaw, or The Rawhide Kid?

GEEZER ALERT GEEZER ALERT!!!

[FPF-AJTK]

NJ? I thought the only thing dudes were running outa da crib in NJ was online pr0n? Leastwise, all the sites t00l gives me are from this IP in NJ ... (lol, not gonna do that to ya DH)

NP Karnak, it rocks. Warped into a system this am to see a poor bastard in a starting frig in a running fight with about 10 pirates of various sizes. I told em I was coming to his aid, but apparently he didnt want/know  how to come towards me. By the time I got into firing range, he went poof. Finished off the rats and got all the crap that dropped from the dead ships. SWEET! AND got bounty money for the coupla rats I killed.

NP LeRoy, the game rocks, and its teamwork like an awesome game of SFC that lasts for hours, which really is the best part of ANY game. We have your addy in case you like it, we all agreed to chip in a few bucks each so you could hook up for a few months. Thank Kimmy for that idea!

Yeah, some of the SSCF and other SFC peeps have said they will go back to SFC, some have said they wont any time soon, if ever. Even one who is an Ace in the GSC unfortunately.

Im still tryin on GW3. DH, the twin monitor thing didnt make the single player lag I had last night (only time) stoopid ass billy gates decided to update at that time for some reason. Freakin winblows.  But, I tried single monitor, didnt fix the multi lag. Im stumped. Ill just have to try off hours. Bid on a CAD+, so I can hex(x) munch at least.

[KAT J'inn]

Leastwise, all the sites t00l gives me are from this IP in NJ

I really wish 762 would lay off the pr0n.  The boy need help.

[SSCF-LeRoy]

NP LeRoy, the game rocks, and its teamwork like an awesome game of SFC that lasts for hours, which really is the best part of ANY game. We have your addy in case you like it, we all agreed to chip in a few bucks each so you could hook up for a few months. Thank Kimmy for that idea!

Although I very much appreciate the effort, the idea of moochin' off of other people just so I can play a game just doesn't sit well with me. I don't think I could enjoy the game knowin' that somebody else's hard-earned dollars are paying for my recreation.

[el-Karnak]

NJ? I thought the only thing dudes were running outa da crib in NJ was online pr0n? Leastwise, all the sites t00l gives me are from this IP in NJ ... (lol, not gonna do that to ya DH)

NP Karnak, it rocks. Warped into a system this am to see a poor bastard in a starting frig in a running fight with about 10 pirates of various sizes. I told em I was coming to his aid, but apparently he didnt want/know  how to come towards me. By the time I got into firing range, he went poof. Finished off the rats and got all the crap that dropped from the dead ships. SWEET! AND got bounty money for the coupla rats I killed.

NP LeRoy, the game rocks, and its teamwork like an awesome game of SFC that lasts for hours, which really is the best part of ANY game. We have your addy in case you like it, we all agreed to chip in a few bucks each so you could hook up for a few months. Thank Kimmy for that idea!

Yeah, some of the SSCF and other SFC peeps have said they will go back to SFC, some have said they wont any time soon, if ever. Even one who is an Ace in the GSC unfortunately.

Im still tryin on GW3. DH, the twin monitor thing didnt make the single player lag I had last night (only time) stoopid ass billy gates decided to update at that time for some reason. Freakin winblows.  But, I tried single monitor, didnt fix the multi lag. Im stumped. Ill just have to try off hours. Bid on a CAD+, so I can hex(x) munch at least.

I went to PC Gamer, they rarely steer me wrong, to dig up the reviews on the games I like to play and included EVE to compare:

FreeLancer:  http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2004-07-02f.html
EVE Online: http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2004-07-07e.html
Age of Empires 2: Conquerers:  http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2000-11-21ab.html
SFCOP: http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2001-10-04m.html
SFC3:  http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2004-07-01ag.html 
Hearts of Iron: http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2004-07-01q.html
Man Of War 2: http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2000-08-17ai.html
Age Of Sail 2: http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2001-08-07r.html
War of the Ring: http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2004-07-07w.html

Freelancer is rated higher (w/o any monthly fees too) than EVE Online. But, I'll try the free EVE demo to compare with Freelancer and see what happens.

[Age]

NJ? I thought the only thing dudes were running outa da crib in NJ was online pr0n? Leastwise, all the sites t00l gives me are from this IP in NJ ... (lol, not gonna do that to ya DH)

NP Karnak, it rocks. Warped into a system this am to see a poor bastard in a starting frig in a running fight with about 10 pirates of various sizes. I told em I was coming to his aid, but apparently he didnt want/know  how to come towards me. By the time I got into firing range, he went poof. Finished off the rats and got all the crap that dropped from the dead ships. SWEET! AND got bounty money for the coupla rats I killed.

NP LeRoy, the game rocks, and its teamwork like an awesome game of SFC that lasts for hours, which really is the best part of ANY game. We have your addy in case you like it, we all agreed to chip in a few bucks each so you could hook up for a few months. Thank Kimmy for that idea!

Yeah, some of the SSCF and other SFC peeps have said they will go back to SFC, some have said they wont any time soon, if ever. Even one who is an Ace in the GSC unfortunately.

Im still tryin on GW3. DH, the twin monitor thing didnt make the single player lag I had last night (only time) stoopid ass billy gates decided to update at that time for some reason. Freakin winblows.  But, I tried single monitor, didnt fix the multi lag. Im stumped. Ill just have to try off hours. Bid on a CAD+, so I can hex(x) munch at least.

I went to PC Gamer, they rarely steer me wrong, to dig up the reviews on the games I like to play and included EVE to compare:

FreeLancer:  http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2004-07-02f.html
EVE Online: http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2004-07-07e.html
Age of Empires 2: Conquerers:  http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2000-11-21ab.html
SFCOP: http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2001-10-04m.html
SFC3:  http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2004-07-01ag.html 
Hearts of Iron: http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2004-07-01q.html
Man Of War 2: http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2000-08-17ai.html
Age Of Sail 2: http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2001-08-07r.html
War of the Ring: http://www.pcgamer.com/reviews/archives/review_2004-07-07w.html

Freelancer is rated higher (w/o any monthly fees too) than EVE Online. But, I'll try the free EVE demo to compare with Freelancer and see what happens.

Hi el Karnak which Age of Sail do you have AoS.2 or AoS.2PB.?This is a good post btw very informative.

[el-Karnak]

Hi el Karnak which Age of Sail do you have AoS.2 or AoS.2PB.?This is a good post btw very informative.

I have both. Awesome games once they are patched and you find the Pros on GameSpy to play with.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that during the first half of the 90's, I also got addicted to sports card collecting...mnan, that was expensive! 

It could be worse. You could be addicted to sky-diving, skiing double-black diamond runs, scuba diving with Tiger sharks, racing your sports car on the inter-states, casino trips to Vega or AC, etc. 

hehe..true dat.  My addictions are all relatively safe...they just tend to be financially troubling...lol.  Take SFB, for instance.   During the 80's I had to buy it all, whether I was going to use it or not.  I just "updated" my SFB collection about six months ago...spending another $200+ dollars on stuff I'll probably never do anything with other than read...heheh.  I still want to buy a few more things, too...as well as increase my collection of Captain's Log issues.  I have a very compulsive personality...heheh...

Doggy you and me both, when i got out out of high school, i started to buy SFB, all of the CLs, rule updates etc. collected comics also. so yeah, i am there w/ you...

Oh yeah....that was one of my illnesses during my young Warrior days...I collected the Conan mags and also liked things like Sgt. Rock, Wierd War, Unknown Soldier and others....heheh.  I'm trying to remember the one about the Sherman tank crew...the title is slipping my mind at the moment.  There was also a cowboy one I can't recall the name of...

How old are you?  You don't mean US Tank Commandos, do you?

Cowboy comics?  Kid Colt: Outlaw, or The Rawhide Kid?

Nope...I looked at what remains of my clollection...Johathan Hex was the one I was thinking of...

[Age]

Hi el Karnak which Age of Sail do you have AoS.2 or AoS.2PB.?This is a good post btw very informative.

I have both. Awesome games once they are patched and you find the Pros on GameSpy to play with.

I know this OT but which is better?If there was shout box I would shout it to you.I mean Aos2 or Aos2PB or are thet both equally the same.Thanks el Karnak.

[Cleaven]

Hi el Karnak which Age of Sail do you have AoS.2 or AoS.2PB.?This is a good post btw very informative.

I have both. Awesome games once they are patched and you find the Pros on GameSpy to play with.

I know this OT but which is better?If there was shout box I would shout it to you.I mean Aos2 or Aos2PB or are thet both equally the same.Thanks el Karnak.

One of thesen days I'll learn to use PM's too.

[Age]

I don't like to PM people all the time now Cleaven only when I want to keep it it private.I used to PM members all the time at Taldrens and it meant them having to answer several PMs.There is a maximum amount of PM you can have in your inbox here I believe.

[Cleaven]

I'm sorry. I didn't realise you didn't want an answer.

[el-Karnak]

Hi el Karnak which Age of Sail do you have AoS.2 or AoS.2PB.?This is a good post btw very informative.

I have both. Awesome games once they are patched and you find the Pros on GameSpy to play with.

I know this OT but which is better?If there was shout box I would shout it to you.I mean Aos2 or Aos2PB or are thet both equally the same.Thanks el Karnak.

Aos2PB is better.  Has better UI interface, fleet control, etc.

[Age]

Thanks el Karnak that is the only one I have.I like the editor in it as well the campaign editor.

[KBF-Nail]

Dont KNow about getting Hooked too Eve AJTK. I tried it and didnt like it one bit. Takes too long too get anywhere. Just my 2 cents though.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

Hi el Karnak which Age of Sail do you have AoS.2 or AoS.2PB.?This is a good post btw very informative.

I have both. Awesome games once they are patched and you find the Pros on GameSpy to play with.

I know this OT but which is better?If there was shout box I would shout it to you.I mean Aos2 or Aos2PB or are thet both equally the same.Thanks el Karnak.

Aos2PB is better.  Has better UI interface, fleet control, etc.

Saw that in the store today...almost picked it up.  Steep learning curve?  Just so you know...last time I played a "wooden ships and iron men" game is was "Pirates!" by Microprose! 

[KBF-WillWeasel]

Umm I still have Pirates on my commodore 64.......

and Pirates gold is still on my hard drive

[KBF-Crim]

Ah yes....my first *cough* PC gaming....Red Storm rising for the C64....

I moved on to the gold box AD&D games...then to consoles for a few years until I got my first wintell...

I played the Starcraft campiagns...

Played X-Com "terror from the deep".....Impossible to win IMHO...even with a strat guide...

Then while browsing at babbages...I found...."it"....on a back shelf...the last copy....

StarFleet Command....

Boy is my wife sorry....

[KBF-WillWeasel]

Ah yes....my first *cough* PC gaming....Red Storm rising for the C64....

I moved on to the gold box AD&D games...then to consoles for a few years until I got my first wintell...

I played the Starcraft campaigns...

Played X-Com "terror from the deep".....Impossible to win IMHO...even with a strat guide...

Then while browsing at babbages...I found...."it"....on a back shelf...the last copy....

StarFleet Command....


Boy is my wife sorry....

Ahhh many a day off from school was spent with joystick in hand, killing a Kirov class missile battlecruiser.
I still remember some of the games I Had fighting a diesel electric wolf pack. Damn they could be tough to even find em, unless they were 1k away with 3 torps in the water.