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GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« on: August 23, 2004, 09:40:27 pm »
Here's my film. http://home.satx.rr.com/spiderwebs/Bach%20vs%20Diz%20Boarding%20action.rec

At the end, when I saw you had such a low marine count, I simply changed tactics and beamed over 3x times. Your marine count of 9 never changed from the point of the 1st beam over. Neither did any weapons fire or further boarding atempts afterwards reduce that number.

Hrmmm... up till the beaming over of the Marines thing, you flew better than did I. ::tips hat::

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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2004, 09:53:00 pm »
GG to you too Dizzy. 

I'm not sure what happened on your end but, I had 11 marines right before I captured you.  You had 0 marines left so I sent 2 over to ya and you were captured immediately.

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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2004, 11:22:38 pm »
Can Dizzy switch sides now?   ;D
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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2004, 11:54:30 pm »
Roses are red, violets are blue...
Bach's gonna die now and so are you!
lol, little boy blue... ;)
I'd rather fly a freighter than join you!

Kiss my ridged Klingon Ass you feddie scum!
Your magic Marines won't save you next time!

MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!




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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2004, 01:11:14 am »
Roses are red, violets are blue...
Bach's gonna die now and so are you!
lol, little boy blue... ;)
I'd rather fly a freighter than join you!

Kiss my ridged Klingon Ass you feddie scum!
Your magic Marines won't save you next time!

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Bring it....without your 400 marines & 75 transporters you wouldn't have had chance anyway.   ;D
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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2004, 01:23:07 am »
I think what happened to Dizzy's ship was a Klingon Mutiny.  I his case likely led by the security forces....... ;D

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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2004, 07:27:01 am »
I think what happened to Dizzy's ship was a Klingon Mutiny.  I his case likely led by the security forces....... ;D

Right?!

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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2004, 01:56:22 pm »
I've thought about this match a bit and am pretty convinced as to what happened.

Dizzy continually beamed his marines on board my ship, I knew this so was keeping an eye on the number of marines I had left on my ship knowing that if they got to low I'd have to disengage. 

So while Dizzy may have seen 14 of his marines on my ship I had no way to know that and could only rely on my own number as an indicator of where I stood.

While Dizzy was watching his number of marines fight mine and my marine numbers were dropping, I noticed that he had 0 marines left on his own ship meaning that he'd beamed all of his marines that weren't killed from damage to his ship over to my ship.  At that point he was watching the marines fight it out with no way of knowing that I had just beamed over marines to his ship.  Which is when that match promptly ended because of lack of marines on his ship.  DH mentioned something about the security stations most likely being damaged as well which would have contributed to the quick capture.

I've watched the film from both prospectives and IMO everything seemed OK in the match.
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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2004, 05:04:12 pm »
I think what happened to Dizzy's ship was a Klingon Mutiny.  I his case likely led by the security forces....... ;D



 :lol:



No doubt.  I wonder how many of us would still want to fly Klingon if mutiny was added to the mix....lol.



I know that marine counts are tricky at times.  It's not uncommon to see the number of marines on either side remain unchanged up to the point of capture.  I think this is mostly a problem in co-op and PvP missions, as I don't recall it occuring in solo missions.

Then there's the split mission...heheh.


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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2004, 05:14:52 pm »
I think what happened to Dizzy's ship was a Klingon Mutiny.  I his case likely led by the security forces....... ;D



 :lol:



No doubt.  I wonder how many of us would still want to fly Klingon if mutiny was added to the mix....lol.



I know that marine counts are tricky at times.  It's not uncommon to see the number of marines on either side remain unchanged up to the point of capture.  I think this is mostly a problem in co-op and PvP missions, as I don't recall it occuring in solo missions.

Then there's the split mission...heheh.




That never happens. LOL
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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2004, 05:21:43 pm »
I think what happened to Dizzy's ship was a Klingon Mutiny.  I his case likely led by the security forces....... ;D



 :lol:



No doubt.  I wonder how many of us would still want to fly Klingon if mutiny was added to the mix....lol.



I know that marine counts are tricky at times.  It's not uncommon to see the number of marines on either side remain unchanged up to the point of capture.  I think this is mostly a problem in co-op and PvP missions, as I don't recall it occuring in solo missions.

Then there's the split mission...heheh.




That never happens. LOL


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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2004, 08:17:40 pm »
I left 2x Marines on board my ship when it was 'promptly' captured. ;)

I'm sure it was a Klingon Mutiny. ;) I'm a Fed at heart, remember?

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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2004, 12:04:52 am »
I left 2x Marines on board my ship when it was 'promptly' captured. ;)

I'm sure it was a Klingon Mutiny. ;) I'm a Fed at heart, remember?

Must be....LOL
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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2004, 01:34:54 am »

No doubt.  I wonder how many of us would still want to fly Klingon if mutiny was added to the mix....lol.


If it were able to be done would be a hoot!  But of course all the feds would have to use non-lethal combat option......... ;D

After all they are the "Fricking Good Guys"

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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2004, 09:05:08 am »

No doubt.  I wonder how many of us would still want to fly Klingon if mutiny was added to the mix....lol.


If it were able to be done would be a hoot!  But of course all the feds would have to use non-lethal combat option......... ;D

After all they are the "Fricking Good Guys"

Heh, mutineers on my ship git trussed up fer the cat-o'-nine-tails and doused with salt on their wounds ;D

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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2004, 12:47:02 pm »

No doubt.  I wonder how many of us would still want to fly Klingon if mutiny was added to the mix....lol.


If it were able to be done would be a hoot!  But of course all the feds would have to use non-lethal combat option......... ;D

After all they are the "Fricking Good Guys"



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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2004, 10:56:11 pm »
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STFU HOOCH! Your little rag tag band of SSCF Fed wannabes are toast!

You guys take the cake. You are all typical feds. Your heads are as wide as the saucers on your ships. You guys think you are so good... Well, your eyes will be as wide as the saucers on your ships when you see how fast I blow them up, blue boy!

Albeit the SSCF wont even be in force on this server cuz you know how much ass kickin you all will get from me. HA! I ownz the SSCF. I have the papers already made out. Hooch, I have your dog collar all ready to go. Wanna see a pic of it?



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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2004, 11:11:46 pm »
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2004, 12:31:38 am »

He's all yers, Kroma, complete with leash ;)

Yeah, but is he house broken. I just had my cabin recarpeted.
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2004, 01:59:02 am »
rofl

That's Twice!

Those damn Klingon Marine pussies couldnt even wait till I could finish the countdown! The mission closed right as it reached 1.

However, to my credit, I am the ONLY Klink who would chase around a CC+ and a CF in a D5E... Am I crazy or what?! You Feds are a cowardly sneaky bunch...

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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2004, 07:33:37 am »
rofl

That's Twice!

Those damn Klingon Marine pussies couldnt even wait till I could finish the countdown! The mission closed right as it reached 1.

However, to my credit, I am the ONLY Klink who would chase around a CC+ and a CF in a D5E... Am I crazy or what?! You Feds are a cowardly sneaky bunch...

Amazing, he can still talk trash with the gimp-ball shoved in his mouth . . .  :lol:
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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2004, 09:05:15 am »
rofl

That's Twice!

Those damn Klingon Marine pussies couldnt even wait till I could finish the countdown! The mission closed right as it reached 1.

However, to my credit, I am the ONLY Klink who would chase around a CC+ and a CF in a D5E... Am I crazy or what?! You Feds are a cowardly sneaky bunch...

Amazing, he can still talk trash with the gimp-ball shoved in his mouth . . .  :lol:

Fer starters Dizzy was SO intimidated he didn't even wannah take us both on at the same time; he wanted a 1v1 fight. "PFFFFFFT! This is war! We fight two on one!" I sez so one death drag, six overloaded photons, a dozen or so t-bombs, and umpteen phaser strikes later Dizzy sez, "OK, I surrender. Tow?" 2step being the merciful type asks, "Should we give him a tow?" at which I responded with a resounding "KILL HIM!". Then I had a stroke of evil geneous and said, "No, capture him!" The rest is history <snicker>

Oh, BTW, Diz, I hear it's molting season fer the gorn nawadays. You do realize that as Kroma's cabin boy yer gonna be tasked with pealin' off all that dead skin one scale at a time ;)
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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2004, 09:25:59 am »

Oh, BTW, Diz, I hear it's molting season fer the gorn nawadays. You do realize that as Kroma's cabin boy yer gonna be tasked with pealin' off all that dead skin one scale at a time ;)

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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2004, 11:34:24 am »
I'd say he is getting fairly house trained by now Kroma, he can be quite polite in fact, once you got the leash on him.



Too bad I only had 1 working transporter at the time, or I'd have joined the club.


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was a good game Dizzy..... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

but couldn't help posting this....... ;D

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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2004, 11:42:02 am »
I'd say he is getting fairly house trained by now Kroma, he can be quite polite in fact, once you got the leash on him.



Too bad I only had 1 working transporter at the time, or I'd have joined the club.


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was a good game Dizzy..... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

but couldn't help posting this....... ;D


Some Klingon he is :P He asked for mercy! :o A real Klingon would have died with honor without stooping so low as to cry out for mercy. The fact that he waved the white flag at me too just proves that he's nothin' more than a half-baked Klingon wannabe ;)

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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2004, 12:21:42 pm »
Throwing out the bathwater on me as well eh?

Ok, I gave the best I could. My D5E had not been repaired or resupplied. And I didnt back down from that fight. I rarely do. Flying in an expendable cheap ship, I have no qualms about pushing a bad position if there is a chance I can turn it into a win. Different story on a bigger more expensive ship. ;) I loved the challenge.  I knew I wouldnt have won that mission the condition I was in if he didnt make a serious mistake. Chuut's a good capn. But not that good, which is why I engaged balls to the wall. ;)

There's not a captain among you Alliiance who has the balls to do what I do. You are all cowards. Even DH. You shoulda seen him run from my CL and CL ally when he had a fresh CVA and CF ally... Pathetic. If the wind starts to blow the wrong way, you Alliance break into a rout.

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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2004, 12:25:02 pm »
In space, noone can hear you make excuses  ;D
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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2004, 12:32:56 pm »
Except when you flee without a fight. Which you DID do while outclassing the hell out of me and my wing. Pathetic. I dont run screaming off the battle like a little girl.

I think actions speak louder than words, DH, so try and learn how to fight mb? You have the running part down pat.

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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2004, 12:56:38 pm »

I think actions speak louder than words, DH, so try and learn how to fight mb? You have the running part down pat.

You seem to have the cabin-boy part down pretty good to.  Now get back to the docks and make Kroma money!  ;D
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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2004, 03:02:39 pm »
In space, noone can hear you make excuses  ;D

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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2004, 03:35:09 pm »
Ok, I gave the best I could. My D5E had not been repaired or resupplied.

well lets see, you drafted me so whose fault is that?

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 Chuut's a good capn. But not that good, which is why I engaged balls to the wall. ;)

Lets see, hmmm on the hall of fame post you gave me credit (thank you) but said that I wasn't good at closing the deal at the end but though it might be due to the disengagement rule and prefering to let my foes flee.  Now confronted with evidence care to reacess........ ;D

BTW:  I think your balls have been pinned to the wall.......now should they be stuffed and mounted or should we leave that for Kroma...... ;D

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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2004, 05:10:37 pm »
Chuut, that avatar pic, well it doesn't look like dancing to me. Looks like he's, ahem, unblocking a drain, so to speak.
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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2004, 05:12:20 pm »
Chuut, that avatar pic, well it doesn't look like dancing to me. Looks like he's, ahem, unblocking a drain, so to speak.

Or humping the invisible man . . .
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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2004, 09:06:58 pm »
WEll getting bored with it anyhow going to change it soon.

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« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2004, 12:59:38 am »
Boy you guys really got Dizzy running scared. He warped out on me before even taking any damaged and I was already below half hull. Must have been that working transporter that spooked him. <snicker>
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« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2004, 07:23:23 am »
Boy you guys really got Dizzy running scared. He warped out on me before even taking any damaged and I was already below half hull. Must have been that working transporter that spooked him. <snicker>

Erh hrmm. Ummm...  I had a sensor malfunction that reported you destroyed. Then I had a navigation malfunction that warped me back into the system as I left it? Very strange. Technicians are looking at my ship now... ;)


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Re: GG Bach. Klingon Marines are pussies!
« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2004, 10:12:06 am »
Except when you flee without a fight. Which you DID do while outclassing the hell out of me and my wing. Pathetic. I dont run screaming off the battle like a little girl.

I think actions speak louder than words, DH, so try and learn how to fight mb? You have the running part down pat.


Gee I never thought I'd agree with Dizzy on anything, but after that fiasco last night I can see his point. Learn how to fly that dred pajama boy or give it to someone who can!  :P :P :P :woot:

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« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2004, 10:47:08 am »
Except when you flee without a fight. Which you DID do while outclassing the hell out of me and my wing. Pathetic. I dont run screaming off the battle like a little girl.

I think actions speak louder than words, DH, so try and learn how to fight mb? You have the running part down pat.


Gee I never thought I'd agree with Dizzy on anything, but after that fiasco last night I can see his point. Learn how to fly that dred pajama boy or give it to someone who can!  :P :P :P :woot:

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« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2004, 11:33:55 pm »

You want it Corbo?  It's yours.  Refit it hower you'd like, it was part of my bribe to get you to fly Fed anyway  ;D

Pay homage to the master, DH... ;) I wouldnt know between the two of you who is the better Captain, but one thing is for sure... Corbo NEVER flees from the battlefield if there is even the SLIMEST chance he can pull off the win. Take a page from his book, DH. I have. ;)