Topic: OP+ 3.4 Corrections Thread.

[FireSoul]

So?  The Ubber-powercurves make them "X."

Oveloading phasers was pulled in SFB years ago and ALL the other SFB X-weapons don't exist either.

hhhhmmmmm, open-source 

It's still much easier for me to ask for your patience, and wait to see what happens with the sourcecode..

[Kroma BaSyl]

So?  The Ubber-powercurves make them "X."

Oveloading phasers was pulled in SFB years ago and ALL the other SFB X-weapons don't exist either.

hhhhmmmmm, open-source 

It's still much easier for me to ask for your patience, and wait to see what happens with the sourcecode..

No doubt, as I said it was just wishful thinking ;-)

[FPF-DieHard]

Back to the nit picking 

The F-DW looks good at 4.30 IMHO



Model.siz entries should be:

OPPLUS\MODELS\FDW\FDW.MOD   4.30
OPPLUS\MODELS\FDW\FDW_BRK.MOD   4.30
OPPLUS\MODELS\FDWD\FDWD.MOD   4.30
OPPLUS\MODELS\FDWD\FDWD_BRK.MOD   4.30
OPPLUS\MODELS\FDWS\FDWS.MOD   4.25
OPPLUS\MODELS\FDWS\FDWS_BRK.MOD   4.25
OPPLUS\MODELS\FDWV\FDWV.MOD   4.30
OPPLUS\MODELS\FDWV\FDWV_BRK.MOD   4.30
OPPLUS\MODELS\FHDW\FHDW.MOD   4.70
OPPLUS\MODELS\FHDW\FHDW_BRK.MOD   4.70


Next nit to pick , the F-NCL/F-NCA is too small.   Isn't the saucer supposed to be the same size as the one on a Connie?  Right now, the NCA is SMALLER than the DW even with me shrinking it by 1.

[Strafer]

If you wanna compare sizes, use the DW. That engine on the bottom is identical to the DW/HDW multi-engines... That should scale things.

[FPF-DieHard]

If you wanna compare sizes, use the DW. That engine on the bottom is identical to the DW/HDW multi-engines... That should scale things.

Actually, if the F-DW and F-NCA sizes from OP+ 3.4 were flipped, they would look about right.

[FPF-DieHard]

Here is what the NCL looks like with an increase in it's size so the Saucer is the same size os the Saucer of a CA.   Below are the Model.siz entries used:


OPPLUS\MODELS\FNCL\FNCL.MOD     7.43
OPPLUS\MODELS\FNCL\FNCL_BRK.MOD   7.43

Warp engines look a little big for 12 pointers, but the saucer is the correct size.

[FireSoul]

The NCL's saucer is NOT supposed to be as big as a CA's. Sorry DH.
It's the DD's saucer. Could you have mixed the two up?

[Age]

   It looks ok considering the NCL may have to go on long missions.More NPCs 

    Nice pics though

[FireSoul]

   It looks ok considering the NCL may have to go on long missions.More NPCs 

    Nice pics though

The NCL is just a War Cruiser. It's a CL with less hull in the saucer. I hate to break it to you, but 'long missions' is not what it was designed for either.

[KHH Jakle]

The NCL's saucer is NOT supposed to be as big as a CA's. Sorry DH.
It's the DD's saucer. Could you have mixed the two up?

But the Old DD saucer is precisely the same as the Old CA saucer.  That was the failing of the original DD design: It had all the saucer armament of the CA, but only half the power.  Of course the internal arrangement is a little different (in terms of labs, hull, ect) but I believe if you add up all the internals of the DD hull (and hence the NCL hull) on the original SSD, they will be the same.

Jumping on DH's nit pick bandwagon....

[FireSoul]

The NCL's smaller. It has 10 hull boxes while the CA's got 12.
Also, if you look at the NCL/NCA models from a profile, they're thicker. The saucer's radius does not have to be the same.

[KHH Jakle]

what about the DD? (holds club over rotting horse...)

[KBFKrotz]

Lyran:
  Mech Links: Y178
  PowerPack: Y177

  Module C1 lists Lyran P-refits as being Y168...that's a scary proposition, CWLs w/30 power and BCs w/38 power until Y177, even the Kzin would have more juice<shudder>

Any thoughts to adding R-BHB, HFA, and SNC from ADB's Starfleet Times "Advanced Romulan Eagle-Class Designs of the General War"http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/sft34.htm to next OP+ shiplist release?

[FPF-DieHard]

The NCL's smaller. It has 10 hull boxes while the CA's got 12.
Also, if you look at the NCL/NCA models from a profile, they're thicker. The saucer's radius does not have to be the same.

Smaller yeah, but not as small as they appear in OP+ 3.4 

Did I at least get the DW perspective correct?

[FireSoul]

I think you did. I have plugged in some values into the model.siz file that looks ok to me, but that's part of the next release of course.
... when that'll be, who knows. I'm not even 1/2 (maybe 1/3?) through R9 yet because of all the unique and conjectural ship models I have to make. On top of that I have not done any work on the refit dates yet..
But that's okay.. It's gonna be a kickass release.

[zerosnark]

The Fed DD, SC, Tug and CA were supposed to have almost identical saucer dimensions. As others have said, only the internal arrangements vary slightly.

Which is bizarre, but this is not the place to discuss.

The NCL, being developed from a DD+ and having the same basic weapons and internal arrangement, would logically have the same sized saucer (ignoring the fact that the shuttle bay is bigger).

As for the hull boxes: I think Hull boxes are more a function structural strength rather than physical size. The DD has less boxes because the the ship is less robust. Goes along with the hideous breakdown rating.

[FPF-DieHard]

K-D7L should come out before 2275.  Captains Log 26, page 37.   (Sl218.0) "For the Honor of the Flag"

Scenario is in 2271, Klingon forces are lead by a D7L.

Well, this is good enough for me for moving it up on GW4 

[Tumulorum Fossor]

FireSoul, I apologize if this is not a OP+ issue or you were already aware.

At the "Ship Library" on the Race Selection screen of SFCOP, when one can cycle through ship schematics, the background ship images are missing for several Fed ships (I believe they were freighters).  Sorry: should have written them down.  The icons representing the weapons are there, just the simple line artistic images of the ship hulls are missing.

-TF

[FireSoul]

FireSoul, I apologize if this is not a OP+ issue or you were already aware.

At the "Ship Library" on the Race Selection screen of SFCOP, when one can cycle through ship schematics, the background ship images are missing for several Fed ships (I believe they were freighters).  Sorry: should have written them down.  The icons representing the weapons are there, just the simple line artistic images of the ship hulls are missing.

-TF

I used an orion UI for these freighters, hence the problem. I considered it minor since it works during a scenario..

[CaptJosh]

I would note that the line art often no longer matches the actual ship silhouettes with the new models and shiplist. Is there any way to correct this? I'd do some new line art, but I suck at drawing.