Topic: OP+ 3.4 Corrections Thread.

[FireSoul]

Good news. I now have proof for year of availability of the klingon refits:

Klingon refits:
  - B: Y165
  - K: Y169
  - R: Y175

Also, a strong indicator for Fed refits:
Federation refits:
  - + (ph3 and drone) refit: Y165
  - AWR refit: Y170
  - R: Y175

Romulan:
  + (shield) refit: Y174

Gorn:
  + refit (ph3): Y170

Lyran:
  Mech Links: Y178
  PowerPack: Y177




This is based on data in module R9, shown for some conjectural ships. I'll see what I can do with some scripting to detect this data in OP+.

-- Luc

[Age]

FireSoul you didn't answer my question yet it is theyou told me to post in here.It is a few post down Aug.27,04

You're right. I didn't.

No, I'm not going to maintain 4 shiplists, or many multiple downloads. That's asking too much of me.

Then can you make two one without the Tugs and one with the Tugs.It will make for a smaller download or put less Tugs in the shiplist.I would say 4 per class eg FF,DD,CL,CA etc. think about it.

[FPF-DieHard]

Also, a strong indicator for Fed refits:
Federation refits:
  - + (ph3 and drone) refit: Y165
  - AWR refit: Y170
  - R: Y175


-- Luc

AWR in 170, the APR refit still came in 2265.  Point is moot for SFC.

[FireSoul]

FireSoul you didn't answer my question yet it is theyou told me to post in here.It is a few post down Aug.27,04

You're right. I didn't.

No, I'm not going to maintain 4 shiplists, or many multiple downloads. That's asking too much of me.

Then can you make two one without the Tugs and one with the Tugs.It will make for a smaller download or put less Tugs in the shiplist.I would say 4 per class eg FF,DD,CL,CA etc. think about it.

I'm not maintaining 2 mods. Just 1. This is a strong personal 'no'.

[FireSoul]

Also, a strong indicator for Fed refits:
Federation refits:
  - + (ph3 and drone) refit: Y165
  - AWR refit: Y170
  - R: Y175

-- Luc

AWR in 170, the APR refit still came in 2265.  Point is moot for SFC.

Right.

[FPF-DieHard]

Also, a strong indicator for Fed refits:
Federation refits:
  - + (ph3 and drone) refit: Y165
  - AWR refit: Y170
  - R: Y175

-- Luc

AWR in 170, the APR refit still came in 2265.  Point is moot for SFC.

Right.

Back to the point, I've thought for years that the K-Refit out way too late. 

Anyway you can "justify" releasing the D7L earlier like 2270?  it is silly that that refit comes out the same year as the D7W and I swear i've seen the D7L in scenarios before 2275.  A 2270 D7L fits nicely with the klingon Racial Enemies the Hydrans and Mirak as the Hydrans get the type II fighters in 2270 and the Kzin CC with Fast drones owns the D7C.

[FireSoul]

Also, a strong indicator for Fed refits:
Federation refits:
  - + (ph3 and drone) refit: Y165
  - AWR refit: Y170
  - R: Y175

-- Luc

AWR in 170, the APR refit still came in 2265.  Point is moot for SFC.

Right.

Back to the point, I've thought for years that the K-Refit out way too late. 

Anyway you can "justify" releasing the D7L earlier like 2270?  it is silly that that refit comes out the same year as the D7W and I swear i've seen the D7L in scenarios before 2275.  A 2270 D7L fits nicely with the klingon Racial Enemies the Hydrans and Mirak as the Hydrans get the type II fighters in 2270 and the Kzin CC with Fast drones owns the D7C.

That was the point, here. I have actual data as to when some refits come out. Now, what's the YIS aka SFB YFA for the D7L? I intend to maintain a balance and have more truthful YFA for ships based on this new data.

[Age]

Also, a strong indicator for Fed refits:
Federation refits:
  - + (ph3 and drone) refit: Y165
  - AWR refit: Y170
  - R: Y175

-- Luc

AWR in 170, the APR refit still came in 2265.  Point is moot for SFC.

Right.

Back to the point, I've thought for years that the K-Refit out way too late. 

Anyway you can "justify" releasing the D7L earlier like 2270?  it is silly that that refit comes out the same year as the D7W and I swear i've seen the D7L in scenarios before 2275.  A 2270 D7L fits nicely with the klingon Racial Enemies the Hydrans and Mirak as the Hydrans get the type II fighters in 2270 and the Kzin CC with Fast drones owns the D7C.

This wouldn't be the original Taldren shiplist would it.

[FireSoul]

Consider it.. a doable correction.

[zerosnark]

Firesoul;

I was just going through the OP3.4 shiplist.

First, I would like to say "Great work". 

One of the things that I was always fixing in the shiplists (for my own personal use) was the reduction in tractors on the D7C and D7L from 5 to 3 (removal of the SFB mech links). I see you made this correction in Version 3.4. KUDOS!!!   

I do, however, have a question about the Fed CVS and CVB (this is a question since I don't have a SSD for the CVB). What is the difference between these ships? In the shiplist, these ships are virtually identical.   

I would have expected the CVB, in SFB fashion, to have the 4 foward P1's and enhanced shielding of Fed CB.

Thoughts?

[FireSoul]

Firesoul;

I was just going through the OP3.4 shiplist.

First, I would like to say "Great work". 

One of the things that I was always fixing in the shiplists (for my own personal use) was the reduction in tractors on the D7C and D7L from 5 to 3 (removal of the SFB mech links). I see you made this correction in Version 3.4. KUDOS!!!   

I do, however, have a question about the Fed CVS and CVB (this is a question since I don't have a SSD for the CVB). What is the difference between these ships? In the shiplist, these ships are virtually identical.   

I would have expected the CVB, in SFB fashion, to have the 4 foward P1's and enhanced shielding of Fed CB.

Thoughts?

Ugh. Jeez. Check out rule R2.29 and R2.29B in Advanced Missions. It's the *same* ship with different fighter loadouts. Remember that in SFB, the fighter loadouts don't just change from one ship to another.

I think I'll get rid of the CVB now...

-- Luc

[Age]

Firesoul;

I was just going through the OP3.4 shiplist.

First, I would like to say "Great work". 

One of the things that I was always fixing in the shiplists (for my own personal use) was the reduction in tractors on the D7C and D7L from 5 to 3 (removal of the SFB mech links). I see you made this correction in Version 3.4. KUDOS!!!   

I do, however, have a question about the Fed CVS and CVB (this is a question since I don't have a SSD for the CVB). What is the difference between these ships? In the shiplist, these ships are virtually identical.   

I would have expected the CVB, in SFB fashion, to have the 4 foward P1's and enhanced shielding of Fed CB.

Thoughts?

I would like to know why the F-CVB has only 34 power instead  of 35 that is what it was in Taldrens shiplist and is it possiblt yo make it 36.That woud even it out.

[FireSoul]

I would like to know why the F-CVB has only 34 power instead  of 35 that is what it was in Taldrens shiplist and is it possiblt yo make it 36.That woud even it out.

Age,

I confirm That the F-CVS has 34 power: 30 warp and 4 impulses.

-- FireSoul

[FPF-DieHard]

Hey FS, does this mean we can get rid of a bunch of other bad Taldren Ideas to like you me and Brezz were talking the other night?   


PS.  The F-NCV is eveything you need in a strike carrier. 

[Age]

    I hope not I like CVS,CVS+ .CVB and CVBR

[FPF-DieHard]

Anyway to "Legally" move up the FYA on the C5K?  2270 would be nice.

[zerosnark]

Well, as I mentioned, I don't *have* advanced missions, so it is somewhat hard to check that resource

Eliminating the CVB and CVBR is certainly *one approach* to this problem, and given that you don't modify the ships in your list, that is the correct approach.

In my *personal* shiplist, I will give the CVB shields and phasers from the CB.

* * * *

On another note, responding to an earlier post,  I feel the pain of all the tugs in the shiplist. As a part of the customization I do for my *personal* shiplist, I put in "sort flags" for certain ships such as Tugs, commando ships, carriers, etc. That way, I can maintain one Master File, but quickly prune out unwanted ships to create my own set of personal shiplists. This is not really hard in Excel.

Ships I typically remove in day-to-day play are Casual PF's, Escorts, HDD's, carriers (with a few notable exceptions), tugs, scouts, and commando ships.

I like the fact the FS put all these things in the shiplist. . .much easier to prune ships out than add them in (I routinely add several ships. . such as Klingon D16's, D18's, and a custom Mirak CB (think CVS without fighters)).

[FireSoul]

Hey FS, does this mean we can get rid of a bunch of other bad Taldren Ideas to like you me and Brezz were talking the other night?   


PS.  The F-NCV is eveything you need in a strike carrier. 

No.
The fact that I now know that the VCS and the CVB are the SAME ship with different fighters, well.. In SFC, that's not something's that is implemented. Fighters are variable in SFC. Thus, the correction is to remove the CVB, short for CVSB I think.

-- Luc

[FireSoul]

Anyway to "Legally" move up the FYA on the C5K?  2270 would be nice.

2270 will be fine.

[Age]

  FireSoul you may want to replace the F-NCM model with this one.It looks a lot better imho.I looks like
F-CAI.I looked at this through my model viewer and it looked great and I like that model viewer.


http://www.stcd.sgnonline.com/~domwars/DW_Models/Miranda.zip