Topic: Escorts

[762_XC]

Since when are phaser-G's not offensive weapons?

[FPF-DieHard]

Take the offending ships and create specific variants. 

Example the AD5....remove the drones in lieu of 2 or 3 gatlings.  PH-G's can be deadly at close range in an offensive capacity but are really designed as excellent point defense weapons.  Not having drones limits this ships offensive capability but doesn't cripple it w/ the addition of Ph-G's.

To make this ship an offensive variant, reduce the ADD's to say 1 or 2 (enough for AD5 defense but no more) and add in 1 or 2 wide arc dizzy's.  Another solution is to reduce the cost of the AD6.  AD5 = Defense and AD6 = Offense.

I think we make mistakes thinking in a pre-defined box in terms of "era and race" specific weapons and defenses.  You can't tell me that after years of war...the Klinks wouldn't have Gatlings or anything else they wanted haha. 

I would take what I want and force the Fed's to watch as thier homeworld burned....

 

Please have a clue before posting. 

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

For the Fed DE & NEC/NER I would have not problem with divying up the AMD's into groups of 1, 2. or 3.

Switch off the drone racks that have AMD running, switch off the AMD when using those drone racks.

It is an honour system.  But one I would use since having 3, 4, or 5 AMD's plugging away at ONE drone is kind of useless & wasteful.

[Rod ONeal]

Take the offending ships and create specific variants. 

Example the AD5....remove the drones in lieu of 2 or 3 gatlings.  PH-G's can be deadly at close range in an offensive capacity but are really designed as excellent point defense weapons.  Not having drones limits this ships offensive capability but doesn't cripple it w/ the addition of Ph-G's.

To make this ship an offensive variant, reduce the ADD's to say 1 or 2 (enough for AD5 defense but no more) and add in 1 or 2 wide arc dizzy's.  Another solution is to reduce the cost of the AD6.  AD5 = Defense and AD6 = Offense.

I think we make mistakes thinking in a pre-defined box in terms of "era and race" specific weapons and defenses.  You can't tell me that after years of war...the Klinks wouldn't have Gatlings or anything else they wanted haha. 

I would take what I want and force the Fed's to watch as thier homeworld burned....

I suggest that you'd be happy as part of the "House of Korgath". Take a pirate ship with OptMts and go at it.

[Julin Eurthyr]

The Dro-D is the "offensive Plasma-D".

From what I remember, it was:

• slow speed = normal (no issues)
• medium speed = shield penetrators, normal damage
• fast speed = enveloping, will take out shields.

Hence the rule that said slow speed is no problem, faster ones get you in trouble, real quick-like.  Most of the "Dro-D rule" is the penalties, written extremely harshly to discourage any temptation of using faster, bugged drones, while not killing a player on a first-time honest mistake.

Bearslayer, The on/off tricks with drone racks / AMD is a nifty idea, and something that I wouldn't mind seeing enforced across all the G-rack carrying ships.  The only question is enforcement, being on the "honor" system, is how to enforce it against the "win at all costs" mentality (those who still bend the rules as far as they can), or, even worse, how do we prove that a claim is false?

[TotensBurntCorpse]

IMHO...

Escorts should be unrestricted BUT>>>>>>>(barring it becomming an uber ship)

Only one reload of drones per ship, that way they dont become great PvP ships, but become escorts that need to operate near home.

Low numbers of marines and spare parts, as per above consideration.

Phaser Gs should be replaced with less phaser 3's (as some escorts have better crunch than CAs with the Gs).

Escorts should not be allowed to act deeper than the imeediate front.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Julin, that is not a problem in most cases, but yes, we will have to worry about it.

What to do about it?  No idea.

I'd stll like to have the AMD's put in groups of no larger than 3 though... the NEC has them split 4 & 1, the NER has 3, DE has one group of 4 AMD.

I like Toten's drone reload limitation, but not the rest of it.

Allow them to keep the extra mines, marines & spares.

[TotensBurntCorpse]

I like Toten's drone reload limitation, but not the rest of it.
Allow them to keep the extra mines, marines & spares.

Never said reduce mines, mines work in escorting quite well.  BUT if your forced to resupply your marines and spares every mission then by default your forced to operate close to home.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Who says you would have to resupply every mission?

Look at the Kzintis in their small hex munchers, they have made a living out of using base drone loads.

[TotensBurntCorpse]

Bear,

In a ship with almost no marines and almost no spares you will find you have to resupply quite a bit.

[Laflin]

IMHO...

Escorts should be unrestricted BUT>>>>>>>(barring it becomming an uber ship)

Only one reload of drones per ship, that way they dont become great PvP ships, but become escorts that need to operate near home.

Low numbers of marines and spare parts, as per above consideration.

Phaser Gs should be replaced with less phaser 3's (as some escorts have better crunch than CAs with the Gs).

Escorts should not be allowed to act deeper than the imeediate front.

Bah!  - you're just pissed because I almost killed you once in your C7 with an NEC

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Bear,

In a ship with almost no marines and almost no spares you will find you have to resupply quite a bit.

A) I don't agree with doing away with their marine load outs, especially Fed Escorts, it is not like they are a threat to capture anything anyways.

B) It still won't slow down the Kzinti. 

[SPQR Renegade]

The Dro-D is the "offensive Plasma-D".

From what I remember, it was:

• slow speed = normal (no issues)
• medium speed = shield penetrators, normal damage
• fast speed = enveloping, will take out shields.

The big problem with putting dro-D in the ship list is, while the players will abide by the rules and only use slow drones, I don't think the AI will much care what rules you lay down for it.
An AI R-KDA firing 6 10 point, phased plasmas per turn, for no power, will ruin anyones day real fast.
At least using plas-F, the AI has to play by the rules.

[Rod ONeal]

I know Karnak has modified scripts so that only slow drones are available for a race. If it applies to the AI as well (I think that it does) then the AI wouldn't get med or fast DroD either.

One problem that I see is the DroD scatter pack. Especially with ships that can launch mutiple shuttles. A bit tougher to phaser down plasma than drones. pla-D is fairly short range though. Maybe it wouldn't be too bad unless you were flying straight into them (?).

[FPF-DieHard]

The Dro-D is the "offensive Plasma-D".

From what I remember, it was:

• slow speed = normal (no issues)
• medium speed = shield penetrators, normal damage
• fast speed = enveloping, will take out shields.

The big problem with putting dro-D in the ship list is, while the players will abide by the rules and only use slow drones, I don't think the AI will much care what rules you lay down for it.
An AI R-KDA firing 6 10 point, phased plasmas per turn, for no power, will ruin anyones day real fast.
At least using plas-F, the AI has to play by the rules.

Drone-D also do not degrade with range.  This is a broken weapon that we experimented with on SGODev and should not be used at all until it is fixed using the source code.

[Dizzy]

Unless its used as an alien weapon, MUHAHAHAHAHA!