Topic: Balance Poll

[FPF-DieHard]

Just trolling for opinions.

[Mog]

I've always said less is more when it comes to cheese and fun in sfc. That being said, I don't have any problems with solo escorts or commando ships. They are quite beatable without resorting to cheese. My main beef has always been attrition units.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Well, just to be clear, "cheese" refers to attrition units (such as carriers)  or are you talking about escorts and commando ships?

[FPF-DieHard]

Well, just to be clear, "cheese" refers to attrition units (such as carriers)  or are you talking about escorts and commando ships?

Good point, let me change the poll . . .

Poll is changed, I want it to be very basic, black and white, and vague.

[Kroma BaSyl]

Well, just to be clear, "cheese" refers to attrition units (such as carriers)  or are you talking about escorts and commando ships?

Good point, let me change the poll . . .

Poll is changed, I want it to be very basic, black and white, and vague.

I voted less, but would have voted for a third option if available "Can be a combination of less or more, but when in doubt go with less".  Also, sometimes (like with commando, escorts and Tugs) more doesn't have to necessarily mean less balanced, it could just mean more variety.

[KAT J'inn]

" Blame J'inn, the MIRVs were not my idea!"

LIES!!  ROTTEN FED LIES!!!


Here is the TRUTH . . . .  <pulls out MSN Transcript>


Krueg:   Gosh J'inn I think fighting Feds is boring. Let's make the Mirak meaner.

J'inn:  Well I dunno Krueg.  I mean I fily Mirak and all and well I think I'm mean enough.

Krueg: True,  you are the good lord's gift to the Mirak, but as for the rest of them, I want a challange.

J'inn:  I could fly more.

Krueg: No No you would overly dominate the game it would be unfair.

J'inn: <sigh>  Yes I suppose you are right.

Krueg: I know, lets give the Mirak their MIRVs.

J'inn:  <GASP>

Krueg:  They are supposed to have them.  They are already in the shiplist. And the only reason they weren't fully in GW1 is because you screwed up.

J'inn:  ALRIGHT!!  Can't I ever live it down. SHEESH!!

Krueg: PLEASE!!!! I need a challange.

J'inn: Oh alright!!

Krueg: Now can we go back to GSA so you can keep teaching Saxon and me all of those neato moves you have.

J'inn: SUre buddy.

Krueg:  <sigh> I only hope to be as good a pilot as you one day J'inn. <sigh>

J'inn:  I know I know.   Keep your chin up.



So you see.   It was Krueg's fault.


 

[FPF-DieHard]

"Can be a combination of less or more, but when in doubt go with less". 

I am in total agreement with you there.

[Father Ted]

" Blame J'inn, the MIRVs were not my idea!"

LIES!!  ROTTEN FED LIES!!!


Here is the TRUTH . . . .  <pulls out MSN Transcript>


Krueg:   Gosh J'inn I think fighting Feds is boring. Let's make the Mirak meaner.

J'inn:  Well I dunno Krueg.  I mean I fily Mirak and all and well I think I'm mean enough.

Krueg: True,  you are the good lord's gift to the Mirak, but as for the rest of them, I want a challange.

J'inn:  I could fly more.

Krueg: No No you would overly dominate the game it would be unfair.

J'inn: <sigh>  Yes I suppose you are right.

Krueg: I know, lets give the Mirak their MIRVs.

J'inn:  <GASP>

Krueg:  They are supposed to have them.  They are already in the shiplist. And the only reason they weren't fully in GW1 is because you screwed up.

J'inn:  ALRIGHT!!  Can't I ever live it down. SHEESH!!

Krueg: PLEASE!!!! I need a challange.

J'inn: Oh alright!!

Krueg: Now can we go back to GSA so you can keep teaching Saxon and me all of those neato moves you have.

J'inn: SUre buddy.

Krueg:  <sigh> I only hope to be as good a pilot as you one day J'inn. <sigh>

J'inn:  I know I know.   Keep your chin up.



So you see.   It was Krueg's fault.


 

Pulls out my favorite Minister of Information tool:

[Gook]

Not sure what you mean by less and more?

Are we talking about rules, ships, or what?

[Kroma BaSyl]

Not sure what you mean by less and more?

Are we talking about rules, ships, or what?

I read it as ships.

[KBFLordKrueg]

" Blame J'inn, the MIRVs were not my idea!"

LIES!!  ROTTEN FED LIES!!!


Here is the TRUTH . . . .  <pulls out MSN Transcript>


Krueg:   Gosh J'inn I think fighting Feds is boring. Let's make the Mirak meaner.

J'inn:  Well I dunno Krueg.  I mean I fily Mirak and all and well I think I'm mean enough.

Krueg: True,  you are the good lord's gift to the Mirak, but as for the rest of them, I want a challange.

J'inn:  I could fly more.

Krueg: No No you would overly dominate the game it would be unfair.

J'inn: <sigh>  Yes I suppose you are right.

Krueg: I know, lets give the Mirak their MIRVs.

J'inn:  <GASP>

Krueg:  They are supposed to have them.  They are already in the shiplist. And the only reason they weren't fully in GW1 is because you screwed up.

J'inn:  ALRIGHT!!  Can't I ever live it down. SHEESH!!

Krueg: PLEASE!!!! I need a challange.

J'inn: Oh alright!!

Krueg: Now can we go back to GSA so you can keep teaching Saxon and me all of those neato moves you have.

J'inn: SUre buddy.

Krueg:  <sigh> I only hope to be as good a pilot as you one day J'inn. <sigh>

J'inn:  I know I know.   Keep your chin up.



So you see.   It was Krueg's fault.


 

Pulls out my favorite Minister of Information tool:

I think Father Ted has hit it right on the head...
Jinn, you Bastage!

[Gook]

So it should read:

Less ships

More ships

Is that correct?

[Hexx]

I say less ships if it gets rid of those HDWs..

[TotensBurntCorpse]

I think more is better.

OPPPPPEEEENNNN THEEEE CHEEEEEZEEEE FACTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sigh

[Kroma BaSyl]

So it should read:

Less ships

More ships

Is that correct?

Actually, there is a subtle difference in what you are implying or is implied in that explaination. I don't think the question is "Balance is better achieved by having less ships (or more ships)", so much as "Balance  is better achieved by subtracting ships (or adding them)".  Thus is it better to try and achieve balance by adding ships to a races list where they have holes in their list or subtracting the ships from their opponents list that cause the imbalance in the first place.

[762_XC]

I've always said less is more when it comes to cheese and fun in sfc. That being said, I don't have any problems with solo escorts or commando ships. They are quite beatable without resorting to cheese. My main beef has always been attrition units.

If you keep escorts with true carriers (where they belong), you solve both issues at once.

[Lepton]

I like the idea of this poll, but I have to say that it's vagueness may result in nothing useful as it will depend on how people interpret add and subtract.  And of course the results will be like a Rorshact test of interpretation.

[IAF Lyrkiller]

I though normally dont get involved w/ these debates, i will say this: you cant balance the races no matter what you do. someone is going to cry foul.

But on the other hand, adding said ships would give us more flavour.

just my 2 pfgs.

[Kroma BaSyl]

I though normally dont get involved w/ these debates, i will say this: you cant balance the races no matter what you do. someone is going to cry foul.

no doubt, someone will always bitch, but it is in fact possible to actually balance the lists. Think combined shiplist.

But on the other hand, adding said ships would give us more flavour.

There are no "said" ships though, just a general phylisophical debate about whether "less is more", "less is less", "more is more" or "more is less"..hmmm....more or less..

[Capt Jeff]

It kinda depends on what the "more" is.

More Line ships?  Not bad idea.

More bombardment ships, carriers, escorts?   Probably not....

Then again, I attempted a while back to make a more capable Hydran BCH that didn't rely so much on attrition and that got struck down or watered down to where it needed fighters to compete again.   So, I guess it's hard to say...