Topic: Interpreting SSD's

[Rogue]

Hi Kids,

I need a little assistance here for the purpose of creating specifications from some collected SSD's. I'm sure some of you know the answers to the these questions and it will aid in providing some additional specs to describe these models we have all been collecting. I do intend to make these available when completed.

When converting the following values from the SSD, what should be entered for that specification?

 1. Sensors: typically valued at 6.
 2. Scannor: usually 9.
 3. Drone control is a function of sensors? If so then control of how many?
 4. Damage control: There also seems to be a conversion value here. Is it the same value or the number of repair parts?
 5. Explosion strength: Very different than that of the SSD. I've been referencing power cores of similar vessels to value this.
 6. Nimble: Breakdown statistics seem to be the same but nimble?
 7. Disruptor types: How does one know which type is represented in SFC? Example, UIM only is a type 3?
 8. Year first available: Many SSD's do not state. Is this related to reference?
 9. Cargo vs. Hold: I've seen a couple that have both. What is hold?
10. T-Bombs: Seems straight forward. But what does a box with a D in it mean? Deployed?
11. Boarding parties. Does one alway double the number shown as the max allowable?
12. Stasis devices: Since they don't exist it only seems fair to subtract their value from the BPV. I'm replacing them with a center hull and
      subtracting the difference. The value of a stasis device is how much?
13. Klingon weapon arcs: Can be pretty subjective. LW/RW covers most but allows firing directly opposite when they shouldn't. Are there
      undocumented arcs for these?

This covers most of it. I've been mostly coverting Klingons and Romulans as there are more of these kinds of models without specs to fly them. There are some pretty unique shuttle compliments but can be muddled through. Any enlightenment will be appreciated.

[J. Carney]

Here are your answers, sir...

1.) Sensors- the value in SFC is equal to the number of boxes in the sensor track, not the highest number displayed.

2.) Scanners- same as sensors, count the boxes.

3.) Drone Control- norman ships have a drone control equal to their sensor rating (6), bombardment (drone varriant) ships havew a rating of twice the sensor rating (12), and some ships have one that is half their sensor rating. In the case of anything more than 6, it will be noted in the ship discription.

4.) Damage Control- this is the number of boxes in the damage control track. Gives spare parts. 'Repair' is a different system.

5.) Explosion strength is not on the SSD, but on the Master Ship Chart. You acn't get it from the SSD (unless it's fan created and they put it there.)

6.) Nimble ships can make more than one HET with out rolling for breakdown. Anything with a bonus of 2+ is nimble. Also noted in ship discription.

7.) Disruptor types are ranged-based: Dsr1's have a range of 15, Dsr2's have a range of 22, Dsr3's have a range of 30 and Dsr4's have a range of 40.

8.) It's in the ships Master Ship Chart entry.

9.) I would guess that they are the same.

10.) T-bomb boxes with a D in them are dummy mines. not available in SFC- ignore them.

11.) Yeah, double the bording parties for the max number.

12.) No one knows the value of the systems on an SSD- it is part of ADB's 'secret recipee.

13.) Kilingon wing arcs are legit, and they are in ShipEdit for SFC:OP.

Hope those help. If you are doing fan-created SSD's and want some help, tell me where you are getting them fromand I will look at them also. Two heads are better than one.

[Rogue]

Hey! Thanks for help. It's been years since I've played Starfleet Battles and I have forgotten some of the specific rules.

A good number of SSD's I collected are from PHD shipyards (http://www.mninter.net/~phdship/index.htm). Perhaps not official but reasonably faithful in spirit. At the least is that most races get their version of that particular vessel.

We have so many fan created models that are so in need of a way to be played in SFC. Therefor one has a few limited options. One option I went for is to convert some to a first generation X ship. Pretty easily done with anything from a frigate to a heavy cruiser. The other is to draw upon some of these fan created SSD's. Let's take one as an example...

http://www.mninter.net/~phdship/klng6c.gif The shuttle load out perplexes me with this one. It shows a shuttle capacity of 6 with 2 of those being a double space for the HTS shuttle. Like I remember what those are good for. The scout function isn't represented in SFC but still takes weapons hits, I believe. Therefor go ahead and give it a special sensor of 1. As for the BPV of 67/47... Isn't that Economic value 67 and Combat value of 47? Or do I have that backwards?
Then there is YFA. I gave it year -28 in relation to the G2 and G4. What would be your opinion?

A few other sites I have collected some SSD's from...
http://xanderf.dyndns.org:8080/site/projects/projects.htm
http://www.caddocourt.com/sfb/shipyard.html
http://www.smileylich.com/sfb/index.html Some FASA depictions

 And, of course, useful information from...
http://www.sub-odeon.com/stsstcsmua/

[J. Carney]

I've had ships from all those sites in my copy of SFC at one time or aonther.

Here are another couple of sites:
http://vega-shipyards.home.comcast.net/ best site for balanced ships
http://www.geocities.com/raperm2002/ another good site for balanced designs

On that G6, the double space shuttle might be either a heavy cargo shuttle or a ground attack shuttle. Of course, neither are in SFC, so just two regular shuttles. You are right on  by giving the special sensor for damage purposes and are also right on for the economic/combat value for the ship's BPV.

On the PHD master Ship Chart, the YFA for the G6C is 178. I don't remember when the 0 year is in SFC- I want to say it is Y163, so in that case a G6C would be available in Y15 game time.

Lots of good stuff out there- just watch Miller's site... they tend to be a little chedder there!

[Magnum357]

Hey Rogue, these are outstanding designs you got on your website (I especailly like the Early Years ships you have).  I was wondering, do you mind if I make some SFC ships based off of your SSD's?  I hardly have any Early Years Material for SFB and I would love to make SFC ships based on these SSDs'.  If you want to check out my work, go too Fleetdock13 under New ships1 section.  I have a Federation CA, the Old CL, DD, and FF already loaded on that website.  Right now, I'm working on the Fed Police Cutter which is taking me longer then I had anticipated.   

Anyway, I hope you guys don't mind if I make some Models based on your SSD's.

[Rogue]

I've had ships from all those sites in my copy of SFC at one time or aonther.

Here are another couple of sites:
http://vega-shipyards.home.comcast.net/ best site for balanced ships
http://www.geocities.com/raperm2002/ another good site for balanced designs

On that G6, the double space shuttle might be either a heavy cargo shuttle or a ground attack shuttle. Of course, neither are in SFC, so just two regular shuttles. You are right on  by giving the special sensor for damage purposes and are also right on for the economic/combat value for the ship's BPV.

On the PHD master Ship Chart, the YFA for the G6C is 178. I don't remember when the 0 year is in SFC- I want to say it is Y163, so in that case a G6C would be available in Y15 game time.

Lots of good stuff out there- just watch Miller's site... they tend to be a little chedder there!

Again, thank you.

The Ships of Vega looks to be a good resource. Advice noted concerning Miller's site. I'll probably stick to the 0X class when drawn upon.

I am aiming to describe specifications to all of the 'Must Play' models collected over the past. Whether that means assigning a model for use to play a certain set of specs (eg. F-BLT or K-HF5) or perhaps a variation of an existing starship will suggest itself over time. Wicked Zombie's SuvwI'Qeh ended up being the Klingon C5H. Same as the C5K but with a little different disruptor arrangement. I want to avoid adding anything more powerful than a DNH for the sake of usefulness. When it is all said and done I'd like to subtract all the battleships, except for the B10's, for a few campaign runs. If I remember correctly, the Klingon's were the only race that actualy fielded a BB so I just gotta see what that plays like.

This is what I have on SFC ship YFA details...

The start year in OP, year 0, is the year 2263. Some say it's 2264 but that's not true because I looked through the game files and it says 2263 in black and white.

Just remember that the base year in SFB is the year 2110, so Y171 works out to be the year 2281.

SFB base year is Y2110 so Y171 sfb = 8 sfc
SFC/OP - year 0 is 2263. Or 153 years from 2110.

   Y180 sfb = year 2290 = 27 sfc
   Y171 sfb = year 2281 = 18 sfc
   Y163 sfb = year 2273 = 10 sfc

[Rogue]

Hey Rogue, these are outstanding designs you got on your website (I especially like the Early Years ships you have).  I was wondering, do you mind if I make some SFC ships based off of your SSD's?  I hardly have any Early Years Material for SFB and I would love to make SFC ships based on these SSDs'.  If you want to check out my work, go too Fleetdock13 under New ships1 section.  I have a Federation CA, the Old CL, DD, and FF already loaded on that website.  Right now, I'm working on the Fed Police Cutter which is taking me longer then I had anticipated.   

Anyway, I hope you guys don't mind if I make some Models based on your SSD's.

Hey Guy, I'm unsure of the SSD's you are referring to. There have been some fan created SSD's listed in this thread but none I am responsible for. Perhaps D'Deridex's SSD.gif's? I don't see how anyone could find fault with you doing so and if you feel inspired to build a model from them then how could that be a bad thing?

I am familiar with the models you have posted at FD13 and like them just fine. In particular I extend compliments to the updated Fed CL there. Adding diversity to the fleets just makes it all that much more fun. The trick, I think, is doing something that has a new slant on things. I have this idea to do so with making an SFC representation of a WW2 era turreted battleship. Something like a New Jersey with 2 X 3 heavy weapons FX and 1 X 3 heavy weapon RX. Throw in the side 5" guns and 20mm anti aircraft guns and see what we have. Now how to do that...

[J. Carney]

I'll be pleased to see what you come up with, Rouge!

Good luck with all the work!

[Rogue]

I'll be pleased to see what you come up with, Rouge!

Good luck with all the work!

Having sorted through most of the likely candidates I have a batch of Klingon's and Romulan's about ready as they seem to have the most fan created models that need some specifications of their own. I do have a couple of other questions that have popped up though.

Item 1: Knowing how many shuttles to equip a vessel with. It appears that all starships have their full compliment and it may be further noted that it carries a spare. If I remember correctly, the spare is a shuttle that can be brought out of storage to replace a missing one but is irrelevant in the current scirmish. So is it assumed that all bays are always occupied by the appropriate shuttle? I don't remember having to pay for every shuttle that you equipped your ship with.

Item 2: Romulan NSM's. Quite often the SSD lists the point value for it. Does that imply that for that starship it must be purchased in order to equip it. I think I know the answer here but want to verify it. This seems to vary as it might not be listed that way but still shown on the SSD like the TB's are. ( side bar... When we played SFB we often stripped the cloaking device off of a more expensive starship in order to be able to play it within the agreed BPV value. One might think that for game purposes that the Romulan might not equip their vessels with these expensive items when they are used in the home defense fleet. That might imply that there are fleets that are so configured, thereby increasing the number of starships by perhaps 5 to 10% in number)

[J. Carney]

Point 1:

Yes, the shuttle boxes are always occupied, unless a shuttle is launched or lost in combat (that is when replacements come into play). The ship's standard number of shuttles are free in the BPV- spares are extra.

Point 2:

Romulan NSM are purchased in SFB, save for those in Old Series ships- they come standard and included in the BPV. In SFC, all romulan ships get a single NSM; the cost of which is added into the BPV in-game. As for the lack of cloaking device, the only warship that I know of that did not mount one was the Snipe-P police ship and it's refit version. All others mounted one.

[Rogue]

Point 1:

Yes, the shuttle boxes are always occupied, unless a shuttle is launched or lost in combat (that is when replacements come into play). The ship's standard number of shuttles are free in the BPV- spares are extra.

Point 2:

Romulan NSM are purchased in SFB, save for those in Old Series ships- they come standard and included in the BPV. In SFC, all romulan ships get a single NSM; the cost of which is added into the BPV in-game. As for the lack of cloaking device, the only warship that I know of that did not mount one was the Snipe-P police ship and it's refit version. All others mounted one.

Thank you for the advice here. I wanted to get these as faithful to the SSD's as possible. Compromises were needed to get the intended functionality in SFC. I should be able to post the zip's shortly for anyone who cares to use them.

[J. Carney]

Thanks. I had some up a long time ago, but I imagine that they are long gome by now- they came off John Kim and Ted W. Geibel's sites.

I especially liked Ted's heavy-plasma KR ships.

[Rogue]

Thanks. I had some up a long time ago, but I imagine that they are long gone by now- they came off John Kim and Ted W. Gerbil's sites.

I especially liked Ted's heavy-plasma KR ships.

Oh ya, I think I have been getting an idea of what you are talking about.

I have really liked some of the KR series I have come across. My favorite so far is a K7S Stormbird. 1 R-torp fa, 1 G-torp rh and the typical phaser suite for a vessel of its flavor. Fast, efficient and flexable. With a little patience... I used to hate G-torps in SFB but absolutely adore them in SFC with the fast loading down grade. Even with SFC's  double internals the R-torp can get so that it stings a bit. When your adversaries shields start getting a little thin is when enveloping R's start to work their magic. I just love them.

Anyway... let's see if I can get the link to work with the Freewebs account. I present a batch of 16 Romulan specifications for use with SFC. Battle Falcons, Super Battle Hawks and some assorted Kestrals. I recommend comparing them to the SSD to catch any errors or tweak them in to taste. There is an text file of the same name to point out anything that seemed noteworthy and to include the shipnames and strings. All easily done with Ship Edit. We all should be versed in that by now.

My little hole in the wall. I have the zip file as the first download titled new romulan specs. I havn't figured out how to direct link from Freewebs or I'd do that.

http://www.freewebs.com/rogues_gallery/