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Offline Hexx

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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2004, 12:16:22 pm »
Quote from: Gook on August 07, 2004, 12:10:43 pm
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on August 06, 2004, 09:31:44 pm
F-NPF is the ONLY PF tender for the Fed.

D5P is the only PF tender for the Klinks

MPF is the only PF Tender for the Kzin (this ship blows chunks)

PF CnC permits only 1 PF Leader per flotila.

This is a pilot program, we reserve the right to yank them if they get out of control.

Are these in the OP+3.4 list, or added someplace else, I can't seem to find the Kzin one.

I think they're in the GW3 shiplist. 
(Actually I know they are, but I thought saying "I think" would make you feel less foolish.
But then I remembered who you're flying for..)
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2004, 12:51:27 pm »
Quote from: Hexx on August 07, 2004, 12:16:22 pm
Quote from: Gook on August 07, 2004, 12:10:43 pm
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on August 06, 2004, 09:31:44 pm
F-NPF is the ONLY PF tender for the Fed.

D5P is the only PF tender for the Klinks

MPF is the only PF Tender for the Kzin (this ship blows chunks)

PF CnC permits only 1 PF Leader per flotila.

This is a pilot program, we reserve the right to yank them if they get out of control.

Are these in the OP+3.4 list, or added someplace else, I can't seem to find the Kzin one.

I think they're in the GW3 shiplist. 
(Actually I know they are, but I thought saying "I think" would make you feel less foolish.
But then I remembered who you're flying for..)


 ;D ;D ;D I thought that was it I DL'd one from a link DH put up, has there been another one?

Dim peeps need to know :ufo: :multi: :woot: :rofl:
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2004, 01:00:14 pm »
On a different note: Does anyone have a problem (ethically/morally) with the Feds having PFs?
For those who aren't aware the Feds didn't develop PFs in SFB because they had a morality issue with assigning crews to an attrition unit. I was just wondering what anyone thought of that argument against the Feds having them.
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2004, 01:09:14 pm »
No there's no other "new" shiplist if you got the one from DH's post.

All the P/Fs are pretty much experimental in this game, let's see how they work before we start worrying about if they should be used. IMO, it's all for fun, why not?
When I used to play SFB it was always great fun to experiment with ships that were supposedly planned but never actually built for one reason or another. The Klingon B11K comes to mind.
Adjustments can surely be made if one type or another proves too OTT or simply usless in action.
Now, if we could just get Plasma bolts and Stasis Field Generators, I'd be happy.  ;D
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2004, 01:37:30 pm »
Quote from: Rod ONeal on August 07, 2004, 01:00:14 pm
On a different note: Does anyone have a problem (ethically/morally) with the Feds having PFs?
For those who aren't aware the Feds didn't develop PFs in SFB because they had a morality issue with assigning crews to an attrition unit. I was just wondering what anyone thought of that argument against the Feds having them.

I think I prefer them to half a dozen F-111's :)

No prob here there are already lots of conjectural ships in play or multiplesplayed of ships which only one or two were built of.

Now If I could just get my "Imperial Standard" mod into the ship list I'd play Rom :) definitely one of my fav Rommies, had lots of fun on campaign with that in SFB campaigns
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2004, 02:02:37 pm »
As to the PF being a attrition-soak...where does that leave normal fighters? The PF does at least have shields.
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2004, 03:11:49 pm »
Quote from: Gook on August 07, 2004, 01:37:30 pm

Now If I could just get my "Imperial Standard" mod into the ship list I'd play Rom :) definitely one of my fav Rommies, had lots of fun on campaign with that in SFB campaigns

That may happen if I can talk J'inn into it.

All The PFs on GW3 are ADB stats.   I made nothing up.

Yes, the Kzin PFs and tender suck ass and I cannot think of a "legal" way to not make them suck.   The Kzin have better fighters and Carriers than the Klingons and they also have other ships that can easily beat a K-D5P so I do not think a real balance issu exists.
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2004, 03:42:05 pm »
Quote from: KBFLordKrueg on August 07, 2004, 01:09:14 pm
No there's no other "new" shiplist if you got the one from DH's post.

All the P/Fs are pretty much experimental in this game, let's see how they work before we start worrying about if they should be used. IMO, it's all for fun, why not?
When I used to play SFB it was always great fun to experiment with ships that were supposedly planned but never actually built for one reason or another. The Klingon B11K comes to mind.
Adjustments can surely be made if one type or another proves too OTT or simply usless in action.
Now, if we could just get Plasma bolts and Stasis Field Generators, I'd be happy.  ;D


I'm not advocating for or against their use, just wondering what people think. I have no prob at all trying out any conjectural units. That's why they're there, after all.

SFGs eh? There'd be a real programming nightmare converting all those rules from turn based to real time. They'd be cool though. 8) Plasma bolts not being in game is in my top 3 list of "things that need to be fixed", along with Pl-D, Dr-G, and Pl-F weapon status (OK that's 4 ;))

Quote from: Gook on August 07, 2004, 01:37:30 pm


I think I prefer them to half a dozen F-111's :)

That brings up another issue. Would the Feds have continued to develop ftr tech to the level that they did (F111-F14) if they had developed PFs. Personally, I don't believe that they would have and think that Feds as a PF race are better balanced without their "super" ftrs.

Quote from: Vaul on August 07, 2004, 02:02:37 pm
As to the PF being a attrition-soak...where does that leave normal fighters? The PF does at least have shields.

The "supposed" reason is that ftr pilots are a volunteer position where as you'd have to assign crews to a very high risk (suicidal) position on a PF.

In the end though, there aren't any people actually on these units, of course. This is more RP than anything else. Again, just wondering what you all think.
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2004, 04:03:14 pm »
The problem that I have with this is that even though they may be SFB standard, how will they play out in a SFC world?  As far as the "overgunned" L-PFE, it probably would be if it had the energy and ai ability to use all of its weapons as they they were designed - many a time they would fly by enemy hulls waving at the crews instead of lighting up those ESGs   :(.  I can see drone using PFs being a real problem in conjunction with a drone carrying tender and/or ai or fleet backup ship flying wing - it is much harder to kill a PF than a fighter, especially with a Lyran ship.
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2004, 04:44:24 pm »
Quote from: Rod ONeal on August 07, 2004, 03:42:05 pm

Quote from: Gook on August 07, 2004, 01:37:30 pm


I think I prefer them to half a dozen F-111's :)

That brings up another issue. Would the Feds have continued to develop ftr tech to the level that they did (F111-F14) if they had developed PFs. Personally, I don't believe that they would have and think that Feds as a PF race are better balanced without their "super" ftrs.



Nope, if the Federation does not peruses the "3rd way" in a "free" campaign, they do not get F-111s and hoards of Heavy fighter carriers.

They still get the F-14s as they were developed before the PF.
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2004, 04:49:08 pm »
In my experience drone PFs aren't any worse (better) than plasma ones. Dirct fire PFs can seem less effective and underpowered. Once you get a ships shields weakened though, they are good at miziaing. If they are ADB specs (with wbp's?) the power situation won't be a problem.
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2004, 04:56:02 pm »
Quote from: Rod ONeal on August 07, 2004, 04:49:08 pm
In my experience drone PFs aren't any worse (better) than plasma ones. Dirct fire PFs can seem less effective and underpowered. Once you get a ships shields weakened though, they are good at miziaing. If they are ADB specs (with wbp's?) the power situation won't be a problem.

I am using the  "Taldren" powere paradigm for these PFs in GW3.

Honestly, a sqad of F-111m fighters would be way more evil and require complicated fighter CnC to control.
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2004, 10:37:42 pm »
Okay, Okay, NO DNH with 4 PFs, FINE!

How bout a Fred SCS with a coupla flights of F14's and 4 pfs?

Wait, cant mix fighters and pfs in SFC, I know. Mirak are screwed in that, I really LOVED the SSCS in SFB, what a monster.

Uh, btw tho, the gr0n have a DN with 4 PF's, tho it isnt a DNH. Rather odd,you can have a DN but not a DNH? Too OTT?

Damnit, where are my "Captains Options"? A few 360 P-G here, a coupla mech-links there, touch of AWR there, VIOLA'....

UBER-CHEESE!

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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2004, 03:01:01 am »
When is the last time you saw a Gorn in a G-DNP on a server in PvP? :rofl:
We will stick with the G-BCS thank you.  :point:
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2004, 05:59:24 am »
Hey, you didnt see my BUY ONE on LB5, did ya there Alfman? NO, it sucked! Thats why I was asking why DN is ok, but not DNH? Most likely as you would have great PF's AND a great ship, as opposed to great PF's and a big PP pit target carrying them around, rofl!

BCS rocks.
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Re: Fed PFs on GW3
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2004, 07:53:07 am »
Quote from: alfman on August 09, 2004, 03:01:01 am
When is the last time you saw a Gorn in a G-DNP on a server in PvP? :rofl:
We will stick with the G-BCS thank you.  :point:

The G-SCS should make it's way into the list.   Nag FS about that one.
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