Topic: Fed PFs on GW3

[Lepton]

What ships am I likely to find fed PFs on?  I was flying a HWD1 that seemed to have a fighter bay.  I selected a PFL instead.  Tried to launch them.  I see nothing. I am assuming this ship is not supposed to have PFs on it.  Is that true??

[FPF-AJTK]

Lepton, this is going to be a "test" server for PFs for Fred, Klink and Mirak. While they show up for ANY ship that has fighters, they are ONLY useable by the NPF for the Fed, and the Klinks and Mirak have similiar new PF tenders. They are light cruisers. For F-NPF, click on CL's, then click BACK one (to the left) that will get you the NPF.

If they work out on this server without too much yelling/screaming, larger CA hull tenders will be put in, and I assume casual pfs as well.

F-DNH with 4 PF's? Priceless.

[Bonk]

Thats because the PFs are donated, they will appear  in the list  for all carriers but can only be loaded by PFTs. Nature of the game  - can't have PFs and fighters on one ship, just one or the other. (Fighters on carriers and PFs on PFTs only - you just need to know the PF names)

I know the NPF will carry  PFs as I destroyed Kroma's yesterday as he was snoozing.. 

[Lepton]

Those fed PFLs are killlers.  Two drone racks, a photon, AMD, and some phasers.  Four of those babies are nutty.  It's like having a whole other ship with you or practically unlimited scatterpacks so to speak.  Are the mirak PFs as nasty?   These make lyran PFs looks like a joke.

[Bonk]

Not sure , I'd have to look at the shiplist to compare 'em all (you'll find them all at the top of the list donated by the gorn).  Doesn't much matter  about the lyrans for comparison though as they're not in this server.

Kroma's weren't so nasty yesterday, pretty ineffective once the PFT gets popped,  they all blow up together nice n pretty like... <snicker..>

[FPF-DieHard]

F-NPF is the ONLY PF tender for the Fed.

D5P is the only PF tender for the Klinks

MPF is the only PF Tender for the Kzin (this ship blows chunks)

PF CnC permits only 1 PF Leader per flotila.

This is a pilot program, we reserve the right to yank them if they get out of control.

[Laflin]

Drones and AMD on PFs - and they said L-PFE were cheesy...

[FPF-DieHard]

F-DNH with 4 PF's? Priceless.

And something you will never see on any server that I have anything to do with

[KBFLordKrueg]

F-NPF is the ONLY PF tender for the Fed.

D5P is the only PF tender for the Klinks

MPF is the only PF Tender for the Kzin (this ship blows chunks)

PF CnC permits only 1 PF Leader per flotila.

This is a pilot program, we reserve the right to yank them if they get out of control.

Isn't that "One PFL OR PFE(type) per flotila? And what about the other varients? How do they affect the CnC?
*opens can-o-worms*

[FPF-AJTK]

Come on LK,  due to my recent "exchange student" situation with the gr0n, I got a SWEET deal on gr0n PFLd's, really CHEAP!

Whats wrong with a PF with 2(?) P-1, 2 Pl-F and 2 Pl-D?   

[FPF-AJTK]

F-DNH with 4 PF's? Priceless.

And something you will never see on any server that I have anything to do with

Freakin Andorian killjoy bitch!

[KBFLordKrueg]

Come on LK,  due to my recent "exchange student" situation with the gr0n, I got a SWEET deal on gr0n PFLd's, really CHEAP!

Whats wrong with a PF with 2(?) P-1, 2 Pl-F and 2 Pl-D?   

Just re-checked the rules page (which is STILL not updated) and it does indeed list the fighter CnC as PFL OR PFE, not both.

[Surfal]

The Kzinti (excuse me, MIRAK) MPF sure does suck.  To add insult to injury, the PP cost of the Mirak PF is higher than that of the PFL, 49 vs. 44

[FPF-AJTK]

So you can have either ONE PFL or one PFE? Thats weird, isnt it?

SFB would have a full flotilla (of 6 pfs) with one leader, one scout, one pfe and the rest standards)

OFW, Ill fly whatever is legal.

As much as the PFT's SUCK, I doubt they will be too widely used anyway.

[Rod ONeal]

The PFE is a Taldren invention. I'm talking about the uber, overgunned variants like the L-PFE, not an anti-ftr/drone design, which SFB does have.

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

F-DNH with 4 PF's? Priceless.

And something you will never see on any server that I have anything to do with

...or any server I'm likely to play on.

[Hexx]

The PFE is a Taldren invention. I'm talking about the uber, overgunned variants like the L-PFE, not an anti-ftr/drone design, which SFB does have.

LOL

How exactly is the L-PFE "uber" or "overgunned" compared to
G-PFL
G-PFdL
G-PF+
R-STH L
R-STH B
F T-B
F T-D
F T-DL
F T-PL
K G1BL
K G1DL
K G1N
K G1B


And I'd argue and win that a squadron of AI L-PFE's would lose to an AI Squadron of Kzinti drones pf's.

The PFE is only decent if you jump in it and control it yourself.

[Rod ONeal]

I base my comment about the L-PFE on comparing it with full size FF's that it outguns. 4x dizzies and an ESG on a size-class 5 ship. The SFB L-PFL only has 2x dizzies and no ESG (not allowed on a size-class 5 ship). I didn't mean that there aren't other uber/overgunned PF's. I wan't necessarily singling the L-PFE out, just holding it up as an example.

Besides, the gist of my post is that the L-PFE is a leader variant. That's why you can't have an PFL and an PFE in the same flotilla. An SFB escort variant replaces offensive weapons with defensive ones and isn't considered towards the leader limit. Sorry, I didn't word it very well.

[Hexx]

I base my comment about the L-PFE on comparing it with full size FF's that it outguns. 4x dizzies and an ESG on a size-class 5 ship. The SFB L-PFL only has 2x dizzies and no ESG (not allowed on a size-class 5 ship). I didn't mean that there aren't other uber/overgunned PF's. I wan't necessarily singling the L-PFE out, just holding it up as an example.

Besides, the gist of my post is that the L-PFE is a leader variant. That's why you can't have an PFL and an PFE in the same flotilla. An SFB escort variant replaces offensive weapons with defensive ones and isn't considered towards the leader limit. Sorry, I didn't word it very well.

NP at all, and I (suppose in theory) I should apolgize as well.
I just get all irritated that Lyran PF's (apparently) use to have PH1's and now they don't.
Of course I also think we should get a leader variant with Pld 's so my opinion isn't always worth alot... 

[Gook]

F-NPF is the ONLY PF tender for the Fed.

D5P is the only PF tender for the Klinks

MPF is the only PF Tender for the Kzin (this ship blows chunks)

PF CnC permits only 1 PF Leader per flotila.

This is a pilot program, we reserve the right to yank them if they get out of control.

Are these in the OP+3.4 list, or added someplace else, I can't seem to find the Kzin one.

[Hexx]

F-NPF is the ONLY PF tender for the Fed.

D5P is the only PF tender for the Klinks

MPF is the only PF Tender for the Kzin (this ship blows chunks)

PF CnC permits only 1 PF Leader per flotila.

This is a pilot program, we reserve the right to yank them if they get out of control.

Are these in the OP+3.4 list, or added someplace else, I can't seem to find the Kzin one.

I think they're in the GW3 shiplist. 
(Actually I know they are, but I thought saying "I think" would make you feel less foolish.
But then I remembered who you're flying for..)

[Gook]

F-NPF is the ONLY PF tender for the Fed.

D5P is the only PF tender for the Klinks

MPF is the only PF Tender for the Kzin (this ship blows chunks)

PF CnC permits only 1 PF Leader per flotila.

This is a pilot program, we reserve the right to yank them if they get out of control.

Are these in the OP+3.4 list, or added someplace else, I can't seem to find the Kzin one.

I think they're in the GW3 shiplist. 
(Actually I know they are, but I thought saying "I think" would make you feel less foolish.
But then I remembered who you're flying for..)

  I thought that was it I DL'd one from a link DH put up, has there been another one?

Dim peeps need to know

[Rod ONeal]

On a different note: Does anyone have a problem (ethically/morally) with the Feds having PFs?
For those who aren't aware the Feds didn't develop PFs in SFB because they had a morality issue with assigning crews to an attrition unit. I was just wondering what anyone thought of that argument against the Feds having them.

[KBFLordKrueg]

No there's no other "new" shiplist if you got the one from DH's post.

All the P/Fs are pretty much experimental in this game, let's see how they work before we start worrying about if they should be used. IMO, it's all for fun, why not?
When I used to play SFB it was always great fun to experiment with ships that were supposedly planned but never actually built for one reason or another. The Klingon B11K comes to mind.
Adjustments can surely be made if one type or another proves too OTT or simply usless in action.
Now, if we could just get Plasma bolts and Stasis Field Generators, I'd be happy. 

[Gook]

On a different note: Does anyone have a problem (ethically/morally) with the Feds having PFs?
For those who aren't aware the Feds didn't develop PFs in SFB because they had a morality issue with assigning crews to an attrition unit. I was just wondering what anyone thought of that argument against the Feds having them.

I think I prefer them to half a dozen F-111's

No prob here there are already lots of conjectural ships in play or multiplesplayed of ships which only one or two were built of.

Now If I could just get my "Imperial Standard" mod into the ship list I'd play Rom definitely one of my fav Rommies, had lots of fun on campaign with that in SFB campaigns

[Vaul]

As to the PF being a attrition-soak...where does that leave normal fighters? The PF does at least have shields.

[FPF-DieHard]

Now If I could just get my "Imperial Standard" mod into the ship list I'd play Rom definitely one of my fav Rommies, had lots of fun on campaign with that in SFB campaigns

That may happen if I can talk J'inn into it.

All The PFs on GW3 are ADB stats.   I made nothing up.

Yes, the Kzin PFs and tender suck ass and I cannot think of a "legal" way to not make them suck.   The Kzin have better fighters and Carriers than the Klingons and they also have other ships that can easily beat a K-D5P so I do not think a real balance issu exists.

[Rod ONeal]

No there's no other "new" shiplist if you got the one from DH's post.

All the P/Fs are pretty much experimental in this game, let's see how they work before we start worrying about if they should be used. IMO, it's all for fun, why not?
When I used to play SFB it was always great fun to experiment with ships that were supposedly planned but never actually built for one reason or another. The Klingon B11K comes to mind.
Adjustments can surely be made if one type or another proves too OTT or simply usless in action.
Now, if we could just get Plasma bolts and Stasis Field Generators, I'd be happy. 

I'm not advocating for or against their use, just wondering what people think. I have no prob at all trying out any conjectural units. That's why they're there, after all.

SFGs eh? There'd be a real programming nightmare converting all those rules from turn based to real time. They'd be cool though. Plasma bolts not being in game is in my top 3 list of "things that need to be fixed", along with Pl-D, Dr-G, and Pl-F weapon status (OK that's 4 )

I think I prefer them to half a dozen F-111's

That brings up another issue. Would the Feds have continued to develop ftr tech to the level that they did (F111-F14) if they had developed PFs. Personally, I don't believe that they would have and think that Feds as a PF race are better balanced without their "super" ftrs.

As to the PF being a attrition-soak...where does that leave normal fighters? The PF does at least have shields.

The "supposed" reason is that ftr pilots are a volunteer position where as you'd have to assign crews to a very high risk (suicidal) position on a PF.

In the end though, there aren't any people actually on these units, of course. This is more RP than anything else. Again, just wondering what you all think.

[Laflin]

The problem that I have with this is that even though they may be SFB standard, how will they play out in a SFC world?  As far as the "overgunned" L-PFE, it probably would be if it had the energy and ai ability to use all of its weapons as they they were designed - many a time they would fly by enemy hulls waving at the crews instead of lighting up those ESGs   .  I can see drone using PFs being a real problem in conjunction with a drone carrying tender and/or ai or fleet backup ship flying wing - it is much harder to kill a PF than a fighter, especially with a Lyran ship.

[FPF-DieHard]

I think I prefer them to half a dozen F-111's

That brings up another issue. Would the Feds have continued to develop ftr tech to the level that they did (F111-F14) if they had developed PFs. Personally, I don't believe that they would have and think that Feds as a PF race are better balanced without their "super" ftrs.

Nope, if the Federation does not peruses the "3rd way" in a "free" campaign, they do not get F-111s and hoards of Heavy fighter carriers.

They still get the F-14s as they were developed before the PF.

[Rod ONeal]

In my experience drone PFs aren't any worse (better) than plasma ones. Dirct fire PFs can seem less effective and underpowered. Once you get a ships shields weakened though, they are good at miziaing. If they are ADB specs (with wbp's?) the power situation won't be a problem.

[FPF-DieHard]

In my experience drone PFs aren't any worse (better) than plasma ones. Dirct fire PFs can seem less effective and underpowered. Once you get a ships shields weakened though, they are good at miziaing. If they are ADB specs (with wbp's?) the power situation won't be a problem.

I am using the  "Taldren" powere paradigm for these PFs in GW3.

Honestly, a sqad of F-111m fighters would be way more evil and require complicated fighter CnC to control.

[FPF-AJTK]

Okay, Okay, NO DNH with 4 PFs, FINE!

How bout a Fred SCS with a coupla flights of F14's and 4 pfs?

Wait, cant mix fighters and pfs in SFC, I know. Mirak are screwed in that, I really LOVED the SSCS in SFB, what a monster.

Uh, btw tho, the gr0n have a DN with 4 PF's, tho it isnt a DNH. Rather odd,you can have a DN but not a DNH? Too OTT?

Damnit, where are my "Captains Options"? A few 360 P-G here, a coupla mech-links there, touch of AWR there, VIOLA'....

UBER-CHEESE!

 

[alfman]

When is the last time you saw a Gorn in a G-DNP on a server in PvP?
We will stick with the G-BCS thank you. 

[FPF-AJTK]

Hey, you didnt see my BUY ONE on LB5, did ya there Alfman? NO, it sucked! Thats why I was asking why DN is ok, but not DNH? Most likely as you would have great PF's AND a great ship, as opposed to great PF's and a big PP pit target carrying them around, rofl!

BCS rocks.

[FPF-DieHard]

When is the last time you saw a Gorn in a G-DNP on a server in PvP?
We will stick with the G-BCS thank you. 

The G-SCS should make it's way into the list.   Nag FS about that one.