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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2004, 09:33:23 pm »
Sorry if this irritates some of you (I mean that)

Or, "In the beginning God..."

It doesn't irritate me at all, Hooch, after all it's the truth.

I am just of the opinion that God made space and all that fills it as more than just something that people were meant to look at 'out the window' and never to get to go and play in, or to find playmates in for that matter.

God spoke and the universe came into being, and something inside me just nsggs at me to believe that He didn't do all that talking just to hear the sound of His voice. He made so much out there, and it is vanity and pride on behalf of humanity to believe that it was all just window dressing for our enjoyment.

Who's to say that the 'other sheep' the Bible speaks of are not swimming in someplace like Europa's under-ice oceans or breathing methane on a planet like Titan?

We may never know, but it will be a shame if we are really alone.

Agreed, or if we are alone then how much His love for us...

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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2004, 09:38:01 pm »
Agreed, or if we are alone then how much His love for us...

Indeed.
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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2004, 06:03:57 pm »

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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2004, 06:34:49 pm »
Ah, Storm, they said on that site,
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"... These clumps must be formed by the gravity of unseen newly formed planets... "

See what I mean?  How do they back that up?  If I tried to evangelize people using that approach... God might fire me  (and I'm not even getting paid) !

I can think of other things that can potentially cause "clumps".

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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2004, 08:52:42 pm »
See what I mean?  How do they back that up?  If I tried to evangelize people using that approach... God might fire me  (and I'm not even getting paid) !

I can think of other things that can potentially cause "clumps".

For instance, there are often times many "clumps" in my underwear, and I'm fairly certain that they have nothing to do with the formation of a planet...
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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2004, 09:03:45 pm »
In all the universe,..... there is only one Milky way galaxy

In all the galaxy, .......there is only one solar system like ours

within the solar system, ... there is only one Earth

Over all the Earth, ..... there is only one You.

Yep. God deals in uniqueness.
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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2004, 09:07:31 pm »
In all the universe,..... there is only one Milky way galaxy

In all the galaxy, .......there is only one solar system like ours

within the solar system, ... there is only one Earth

Over all the Earth, ..... there is only one You.

Yep. God deals in uniqueness.

WHat's to say that there aren't other unique beings out there though?

Like I said, I would like to think that OGd built all those things out theer as more than just decorations.
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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2004, 09:18:31 pm »
In all the universe,..... there is only one Milky way galaxy

In all the galaxy, .......there is only one solar system like ours

within the solar system, ... there is only one Earth

Over all the Earth, ..... there is only one You.

Yep. God deals in uniqueness.

What's to say that there aren't other unique beings out there though?

Like I said, I would like to think that God built all those things out there as more than just decorations.


Well If one is a Christian, Christ the redeemer came to what world to redeem which race unto himself?
Simply a matter of faith.

If one wants or chooses to believe differently, fine by me.
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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2004, 09:29:11 pm »
In all the universe,..... there is only one Milky way galaxy

In all the galaxy, .......there is only one solar system like ours

within the solar system, ... there is only one Earth

Over all the Earth, ..... there is only one You.

Yep. God deals in uniqueness.

What's to say that there aren't other unique beings out there though?

Like I said, I would like to think that God built all those things out there as more than just decorations.


Well If one is a Christian, Christ the redeemer came to what world to redeem which race unto himself?
Simply a matter of faith.

If one wants or chooses to believe differently, fine by me.

The Bible says that Jesus went to preach to other sheep. It's pretty vague as to where they are. I don't pretend to know where they are, but I do know that nothing else is said about it in the Bible.

That leaves me open to hope for myself that there are others besides humans that were created by God.

You may not feel the same way. One day we'll find out- in this life of after- whether or not we are alone in the universe. Till then, I will hope for some company.
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The advantages of living in the Heart of Dixie- low cost of living, peace and quiet and a conservative majority. For some reason I think that the first two items have a lot to do with the presence of the last one.

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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2004, 09:51:51 pm »
In all the universe,..... there is only one Milky way galaxy

In all the galaxy, .......there is only one solar system like ours

within the solar system, ... there is only one Earth

Over all the Earth, ..... there is only one You.

Yep. God deals in uniqueness.

Fedman, you forgot:

"... don't destroy the one named Kirk!"
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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2004, 10:00:17 pm »
In all the universe,..... there is only one Milky way galaxy

In all the galaxy, .......there is only one solar system like ours

within the solar system, ... there is only one Earth

Over all the Earth, ..... there is only one You.

Yep. God deals in uniqueness.

What's to say that there aren't other unique beings out there though?

Like I said, I would like to think that God built all those things out there as more than just decorations.


Well If one is a Christian, Christ the redeemer came to what world to redeem which race unto himself?
Simply a matter of faith.

If one wants or chooses to believe differently, fine by me.

The Bible says that Jesus went to preach to other sheep. It's pretty vague as to where they are. I don't pretend to know where they are, but I do know that nothing else is said about it in the Bible.

That leaves me open to hope for myself that there are others besides humans that were created by God.

You may not feel the same way. One day we'll find out- in this life of after- whether or not we are alone in the universe. Till then, I will hope for some company.

I'd be interested to know what verse that is.
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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2004, 10:02:01 pm »
gimmie the weekend, unless someone else finds it first- I got to go to work tomorrow and have drill this weekend, so no comp for me :(
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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2004, 10:07:07 pm »
No problem
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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2004, 10:26:36 pm »
Ah, Storm, they said on that site,
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"... These clumps must be formed by the gravity of unseen newly formed planets... "

See what I mean?  How do they back that up?  If I tried to evangelize people using that approach... God might fire me  (and I'm not even getting paid) !

I can think of other things that can potentially cause "clumps".



Well we shall certainly see for ourselves within the next 5 years or so. At 33 LY away it will certainly be one of the first places the terrestrial planet finder mission looks.

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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2004, 11:49:13 pm »
Yipes!  33 lightyears?  A mission there, given today's tech... well, forget it, at least as the Brooklynites used to say, "Wait 'til next year!"

Where's Zephram Cochrane when you need him?

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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2004, 12:00:12 am »
Yipes!  33 lightyears?  A mission there, given today's tech... well, forget it, at least as the Brooklynites used to say, "Wait 'til next year!"

Where's Zephram Cochrane when you need him?

That will not stop a satellite telescope from resolving the disk of it's star nor studying the planets there almost as if they were next door.  Plus we will eventually develop technological means to strip away the "distance" to that far shore.

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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2004, 12:11:02 am »
Ironic isn't it?
The method most used to detect the presence of planets around other world, looking for the wobble that they would create in their parent stars path, happens to detect massive planets with short periods best, therefore, we more commonly detect massive planets with short periods. Armed with these statistics, "scientists" claim we are unique.

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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2004, 01:09:24 am »
Ironic isn't it?
The method most used to detect the presence of planets around other world, looking for the wobble that they would create in their parent stars path, happens to detect massive planets with short periods best, therefore, we more commonly detect massive planets with short periods. Armed with these statistics, "scientists" claim we are unique.

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yep. Especially since they are aware of exceptions. THis is not the forth system so reported. it is the fifth. So five out of 120 systems are like our own. so i/20th of known planetary systems resemble our own.

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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2004, 11:11:16 am »
I ws researching this very subject once... one of those selfsame authors had also said, when they first had been calculating planets by observing a star's ever-so-slight wobble, caused by a planet, that they would not likely find any terrestrial planets, like Earth, Mars, and Venus, as they are usually too small to cause that wobble. The giant gas planets are the only ones that have that kind of gravitational authority, and again, its on such a small scale.
I believe the had said that for now, they could check out those systems that had the gas giant, in hopes of looking closer at them to see if they saw more abberations, whcih could entail smaller, non-visible terrestrial planets.
Dont give up hope, hell, they cant even see these gas giants hardly at all. Besides, Hawking had to renig (is this a proper word?) on his bet with what's-his-name about black holes. I think he has to buy his an encyclopedia set now, or something. I think that the bet was something about whether or not the black hole leaks only x-rays (at its poles only). I believe Hawkingfound they will reach a critical mass after a point, or something. Its damned fun reading, thats for sure.
I figure the Lord did make other flocks, maybe they are really far out there.... they are probrobly unique too. There was a lot of stars that have already burnt out, Generation 0 an Generation 1 stars are laready gone... our universe is kinda middle-aged now, I bet you someone else already evolved a long time ago and moved off or something... who knows?
Its illogical to have all this universe, and beyond, which will be provable soon enough, only for little old us. I bet He just orchestrated this just right so we dont meet up until we're a little more stable and chilled out. I just hope whoever is out there is so awesomely different than we could imagine, so we'd have that much more to share. Of course, froma third-person perspective, humans are pretty neat unto ourselves, just look at the fairer sex ;D.

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Re: Our solar system may be unique...
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2004, 11:22:17 am »
Well if one takes scripture literal, as I do, then when one reads the book of Revelation it tells of
this world and the known universe is to be destroyed by intense heat, and a new heaven and new Earth
created (with NO oceans) and no sun!  GOD himself will be the source of light.

Talk about interesting reading?   ;)
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