Topic: UFP-1 Starfleet One released (Read 12272 times)

FoaS_XC · « **on:** August 04, 2004, 08:59:20 pm »

The wartime flagship of the President of the United Federation of Planets.

http://www.nightsoft.net/mckinnleystation/starfleet1.zip

Azel · « **Reply #1 on:** August 04, 2004, 10:41:24 pm »

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on August 04, 2004, 08:59:20 pm

The wartime flagship of the President of the United Federation of Planets.

http://www.nightsoft.net/mckinnleystation/starfleet1.zip

THANKS!!!
Great JOB man!!!

battlestar001 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 05, 2004, 10:08:59 am »

She looks fantastic. Great job. U going to release the others u did in this style?

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #3 on:** August 05, 2004, 11:02:48 am »

others? what do you mean Others?

thus far this is the only Presidential-style ship ive done.

i may do the olympic and an Excelsior...or even a Commendant.

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #4 on:** August 05, 2004, 09:57:48 pm »

Why ignore the Galaxy-class? It's the most practical class for a Presidential ship...

Please don't take offense, I appreciate what you're doing, but still, I can't help but feel this as a fanboy's dream ship more than a presidential ship. I'm really sorry but I feel this way...

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #5 on:** August 05, 2004, 10:32:24 pm »

okay, ill think about doing a retex of the galaxy...if it makes everyone happy.

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #6 on:** August 05, 2004, 11:55:38 pm »

I wasn't implying you have to, I was just further implying an honest opinion. Only I got a bit carried away. *sigh* Sorry.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #7 on:** August 06, 2004, 12:52:07 am »

No worries

Part of being a moddeller/textuerer/artist is doing a few requests from the community. I am more than willing to take a bash at it.

but understand Atlantis is going to take priority...ASSUMING I CAN FIND IMAGES

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #8 on:** August 06, 2004, 02:11:07 am »

Heh, I'm a Stargate fan, albeit a newbie to it but I learn quickly on it.

Centurus · « **Reply #9 on:** August 06, 2004, 01:41:16 pm »

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on August 04, 2004, 08:59:20 pm

The wartime flagship of the President of the United Federation of Planets.

http://www.nightsoft.net/mckinnleystation/starfleet1.zip

Fury, she's a beautiful ship. Incredible. :-D Although I think you forgot to change the name on the rear of the ship. It still says Starforce 1, but that's minor. She's still beautiful!! AND FOR SFC3!!!! *bows down to the ship* Thanks again.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #10 on:** August 06, 2004, 01:53:47 pm »

Corrected, i will let you know when i upload the fixed version

battlestar001 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 06, 2004, 03:35:22 pm »

I saw a pic of a connie refit inanother post?

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #12 on:** August 06, 2004, 04:36:05 pm »

Not mine

that was GAFY?s...it can be found at the-tcs.net

battlestar001 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 07, 2004, 01:12:03 pm »

oh thanks

Magnum357 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2004, 07:12:20 pm »

Actually, Chris Johnson has a good point here. Ya, this is a nice ship and design, but I would think during war, the Federation would definitly NOT want their president in a powerful ship at the front lines. The Galaxy Class (or perhaps a hybrid of it) would be a much more logical choice for a Presidential ship in my opinion. Granted, the Galaxies are not the most powerful ships in Starfleet now, but they have excellent Hull sizes which means they can load up on a lot of other important equipment then just weapons. You could load sophisitcated Scanners, Sensorsr, Steller Cartography Computers, Fleet Tactical Rooms, Huge Facilities to coordinate Federation Operations and Civilian Trafic, etc. I mean, the Galaxies can carry nearly 6000 people comfortably, I think a Galaxy with all that extra space would be the most ideal choice for a presidentail vessel.

Granted, the vessel would have some armament on it, but I would imagine it would have the Standard Phaser Arrays with a more of an emphisis on Defense and Sheilding then offensive firepower.

Centurus · « **Reply #15 on:** August 09, 2004, 12:42:23 pm »

Just wondering if the update to Starfleet One has been posted. :-D Also, this is a shameless bump.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #16 on:** August 09, 2004, 06:39:29 pm »

Well, from a Galaxy the president could indeed run the federation from any location in federation space.

Okay, galaxy it is.

AgentSloan · « **Reply #17 on:** August 10, 2004, 08:53:16 am »

Quote from: Chris Johnson on August 05, 2004, 09:57:48 pm

Why ignore the Galaxy-class? It's the most practical class for a Presidential ship...

Please don't take offense, I appreciate what you're doing, but still, I can't help but feel this as a fanboy's dream ship more than a presidential ship. I'm really sorry but I feel this way...

Hello Chris Johnson,

Ole AgentSloan here,.... again,....

UFP Starfleet One

Me-self, I happen to like this ship,
In fact, I think its one damn fine design.

I see you still apologise, before you "tacklessly" venture your critical opinion,
You know,... it would be a little less irratating (in my opinion), if you didn't apologise first,... and just said what you thought straight out, without pre-text,....

Take care,
AgentSloan

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #18 on:** August 10, 2004, 11:04:21 am »

Quote from: AgentSloan on August 10, 2004, 08:53:16 am

I see you still apologise, before you "tacklessly" venture your critical opinion,
You know,... it would be a little less irratating (in my opinion), if you didn't apologise first,... and just said what you thought straight out, without pre-text,....

Sorry Don, i disagree.
While its true an apology isnt necessary, it is still a nice gesture. It says "I respect what you say, but i still disagree with you." Saying what you want to say directly is a bit dangerous on forum boards because without a tone to tell emotion and intent, it can be misinterpreted.
Nothing wrong with being cautious
And he wasing be tactless.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #19 on:** August 11, 2004, 10:13:02 am »

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on August 09, 2004, 06:39:29 pm

Well, from a Galaxy the president could indeed run the federation from any location in federation space.

Okay, galaxy it is.

Good call Fury sir, I concur with Chris and yourself,the Galaxy is the most logical (ack Spock flashback) choice.

-MP

Centurus · « **Reply #20 on:** August 11, 2004, 06:51:06 pm »

Asking again if the corrected ship has been posted for download. Hope you don't mind me asking again.

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #21 on:** August 11, 2004, 10:32:30 pm »

I almost forgot about good ol' Don here. Well... I do have respect of Fury's work and his opinions. Honest disagreements happen, we're not all different. And Don, if you're hoping to start a fight, I'll end it by ignoring you from here on in if you continue attacking me. Otherwise I hope old flame wounds can heal up. I'm sure we've matured enough over the years to be well above such on this forum...

As for Fury, I really like the work you're doing, especially on SG-related stuff for SFC. I hope someone gets around to making more big ships, other than the Hataks floating around...

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #22 on:** August 11, 2004, 10:45:47 pm »

lol, i wish i could model those, but they are a little beyond me.

Centurus · « **Reply #23 on:** August 16, 2004, 03:36:55 pm »

BUMP!!!! Any update on this topic? Last I heard, there was gonna be a Galaxy retexture.

battlestar001 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 18, 2004, 01:58:42 pm »

A galaxy aswell?? Pls pls tell me if its true. I Think that the president would fly around in a ship that would show off starfleet. So prehaps the most advanced class in the fleet?

Centurus · « **Reply #25 on:** August 19, 2004, 03:52:36 pm »

Quote from: battlestar001 on August 18, 2004, 01:58:42 pm

A galaxy aswell?? Pls pls tell me if its true. I Think that the president would fly around in a ship that would show off starfleet. So prehaps the most advanced class in the fleet?

The most advanced class in the fleet would have to be the Sovereign, and that's already been made into the President's Ship.

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #26 on:** August 19, 2004, 04:14:47 pm »

He's a decade or two behind Daihak, the good, real TNG times before fanboy designs started in DS9.

Only kidding! And I have to admit ships like the Intrepid or Sovereign have beauty of their own. Each ship has.

AgentSloan · « **Reply #27 on:** August 19, 2004, 05:39:34 pm »

Quote from: Chris Johnson on August 19, 2004, 04:14:47 pm

He's a decade or two behind Daihak, the good, real TNG times before fanboy designs started in DS9.

Only kidding! And I have to admit ships like the Intrepid or Sovereign have beauty of their own. Each ship has.

Hello Chris Johnson,

Ole AgentSloan here,.... again,....

UFP Starfleet One

The "Presidents ship",...
much like the Real-Life USAs Air Force 1 is not only a "pleasure cruise-ship",...
It is a haven,... and "Castle-Keep" during dangerous times.

Having the USS Sovreign (the most advanced ship) for the UFP Presidents ship makes emment sense,...

"... The Minstrell-Boy to the War did go,..."
http://www.nightsoft.net/compictures/agentsloan/breaker3.mid

("ole Stompy's" Favourite song. Killed at the Battle of Set-lek III).

i.e., if the Dominion/Cardassian invasion fleet had successfully defeated the Federation/Klingon/Romulan Allied Fleets,....
the UFP President would want the best, most advanced starship to flee in,
Indeed.

BTW,....
Please define the term "Fan-Boy" design,
I have NO idea what you talking about.

Take care,
AgentSloan

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #28 on:** August 19, 2004, 07:27:16 pm »

A Fan-Boy design is one that is one where its advantages outweigh its disadvantages and is completely off the wall. IE: a ship with 50 transphasic, borg shielding, ablative armour, and a Caretaker powersource so there is absolutely no power drain...a Munchkin ship, you could call it.

AgentSloan · « **Reply #29 on:** August 19, 2004, 07:57:26 pm »

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on August 19, 2004, 07:27:16 pm

A Fan-Boy design is one that is one where its advantages outweigh its disadvantages and is completely off the wall. IE: a ship with 50 transphasic, borg shielding, ablative armour, and a Caretaker powersource so there is absolutely no power drain...a Munchkin ship, you could call it.

Hello Furyofaseraph,

Thank you for explaining the terminalogy to me,
I appreciate it alot eh.

Do you consider the USS Sovreign as a "Fan-Boy" design,...?

I for one, most certainly do not.

Take care,

AgentSloan

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #30 on:** August 19, 2004, 11:45:30 pm »

I for one, most certainly do, especially in Gene's own universe. The second main ship in Berman's (then) new line of ships to have Quantum torpedoes, Starbase phasers (Ph4s), can easily destroy a borg ship (A Sovereign vs. Borg Sphere is fairly quick. An Intrepid vs. Borg Sphere is almost as quick, but who takes the victory has been switched!), and its main purpose in our own real life is for it to look cool fighting. Realistically in First Contact there would have been more New Orelans-class starships or Cheyenne-class. I fail to see how quickly new ships can be designed and spun out and overwhelm and replace the Galaxy-class-esque fleet (as in how most ships look like the Galaxy-class, similar to how non-canonical TOS and TMP designs relate to the Constitution-class) and leave a few Mirandas and Excelsiors in. How much resources did starfleet waste when they were considering replacing a ship like the New Orelans with a ship liike the Steamrunner? It's unrealistic thinking. Of course, in real life we needed cooler, more fanboyish-looking ships to be in First contact so Starfleet could look cool fighting the Borg, who since their early-1990s days had a makeover of their own.

The Galaxy-class was to be beautiful, yes, but considering the reactions of a newer generation of Star Trek fans, it holds more inner-beauty than outer. While in its day was really armed, it wasn't truely a battleship; it was designed for long-range exploration in mind, with both civilians and starfleet personell coexisting. She may be armed, but even Excelsior captains think of Galaxy-class flyboys getting soft in that luxury liner! (Based off a quote from DeSoto in "Tin Man" [TNG].

) The Galaxy-class, while potentially being a battleship, was actually one of exploration, and was designed for everyone in mind, even for civilians who would volunteer to serve in that ship (or just live in it).

Down to the point: the Galaxy-class had more of Gene's vision in mind than the Sovereign-class, clearly designed to look cool while fighting. This is my opinion.

Also, keep in mind that Starfleet's mission was one more of than peace and exploration then one of war. Starfleet was reckless in its battle of the Dominion, by making new ship designs, and throwing away ones that weren't so old, while keeping two very-old ship designs that have outlived their days, much like the Constitution-class, which was never mainly featured in a TNG episode.

DS9 may have been a fairly decent series, but it did have its faults. The Dominion War, IMHO, was Berman's way of boosting ratings. After all, we do like seeing Starship combat, do we?

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #31 on:** August 20, 2004, 01:59:26 am »

I also like to note: Nice description of a Fanboy ship Fury. But I think by your description it's more like those super fan-boy god-ships from Bridge Commander.

Meaning nice description, but a bit of an overstatement.

AgentSloan · « **Reply #32 on:** August 20, 2004, 11:02:31 am »

Quote from: Chris Johnson on August 19, 2004, 11:45:30 pm

I for one, most certainly do, especially in Gene's own universe. The second main ship in Berman's (then) new line of ships to have Quantum torpedoes, Starbase phasers (Ph4s), can easily destroy a borg ship (A Sovereign vs. Borg Sphere is fairly quick. An Intrepid vs. Borg Sphere is almost as quick, but who takes the victory has been switched!), and its main purpose in our own real life is for it to look cool fighting. Realistically in First Contact there would have been more New Orelans-class starships or Cheyenne-class. I fail to see how quickly new ships can be designed and spun out and overwhelm and replace the Galaxy-class-esque fleet (as in how most ships look like the Galaxy-class, similar to how non-canonical TOS and TMP designs relate to the Constitution-class) and leave a few Mirandas and Excelsiors in. How much resources did starfleet waste when they were considering replacing a ship like the New Orelans with a ship liike the Steamrunner? It's unrealistic thinking. Of course, in real life we needed cooler, more fanboyish-looking ships to be in First contact so Starfleet could look cool fighting the Borg, who since their early-1990s days had a makeover of their own.

The Galaxy-class was to be beautiful, yes, but considering the reactions of a newer generation of Star Trek fans, it holds more inner-beauty than outer. While in its day was really armed, it wasn't truely a battleship; it was designed for long-range exploration in mind, with both civilians and starfleet personell coexisting. She may be armed, but even Excelsior captains think of Galaxy-class flyboys getting soft in that luxury liner! (Based off a quote from DeSoto in "Tin Man" [TNG]. ) The Galaxy-class, while potentially being a battleship, was actually one of exploration, and was designed for everyone in mind, even for civilians who would volunteer to serve in that ship (or just live in it).

Down to the point: the Galaxy-class had more of Gene's vision in mind than the Sovereign-class, clearly designed to look cool while fighting. This is my opinion.

Also, keep in mind that Starfleet's mission was one more of than peace and exploration then one of war. Starfleet was reckless in its battle of the Dominion, by making new ship designs, and throwing away ones that weren't so old, while keeping two very-old ship designs that have outlived their days, much like the Constitution-class, which was never mainly featured in a TNG episode.

DS9 may have been a fairly decent series, but it did have its faults. The Dominion War, IMHO, was Berman's way of boosting ratings. After all, we do like seeing Starship combat, do we?

Hello Chris Johnson,

The standard lexicon of Star Trek includes,

Star Trek: TOS, 1966-1969 AD,
Star Trek: The Next Generation, 1987-1994 AD,
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, 1993-1999 AD,
Star Trek: Voyager, 1995-2001 AD,
Star Trek: Enterprise, 2001-?

You can not dismiss a starship as being invalid, just because you don't like it, Chris.

The USS Sovreign is an accepted UFP starship design.

Take care,

Agent Sloan

Reverend · « **Reply #33 on:** August 20, 2004, 01:36:16 pm »

Here, here, here, lets not be fussy now...

Sovereign's kinda wild, but its further into the future, and all that. Everything gets condensed with tech advances, so on...

battlestar001 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 20, 2004, 01:58:34 pm »

The Sovvy makes a fine addition to the feelt

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #35 on:** August 20, 2004, 02:09:13 pm »

He thinks I should be restricted to canonical stuff. Well, I have seen the light and broken free of the awful discontinuities of Enterprise.

I don't care if the UFP accepted the Sovereign design, they were wasting resources just to make a fanboy ship for Picard. Either that, or the real life explination, Berman wanted a fanboy ship for Patrick Stewart to act in and for the audience to adore. Well, I don't adore it. Besides, why waste a perfectly good 2360s Starfleet that could've had a simple upgrade? That would've been better off than spinning off new designs so quick to fight the Borg in FC and the Dominion in DS9. Although the only time we see Sovereign-class starships was in the TNG movies...

The Sovereign is an accepted ship by many because it looks good, and many recent thoughts about the Galaxy-class was that it was ugly compared to the Sovereign. Well, a big hot rod like the Sovereign can get all the attention it wants. My fandom lays on what Don express in his sig as a class not worth getting; A now-underlooked, underappreciated class who had the tradition of having the fifth starship to bear the name Enterprise in its lineage of ships. I for one see the inner and outer beauty of the Galaxy-class.

Now do not get me wrong, I still have some love for the Sovereign-class mainly because it carries the sixth starship to bear the name Enterprise and has the crew a new generation of TV-watchers grew up with, but it really doesen't have much appeal to me because when I look at it, it just looks cool, nothing more. Just... Eye-candy. When I see the Enterprise-D, it's one of two ships I grew up with that had been on the spotlight; the other being the original Constitution-class U.S.S. Enterprise. For Enterprise-D, I had a nice time growing up with them. But the feeling of enjoyment I got with either ship and crew, I rarely got with the Enterprise-E.

AgentSloan · « **Reply #36 on:** August 20, 2004, 03:18:44 pm »

Quote from: Reverend on August 20, 2004, 01:36:16 pm

Here, here, here, lets not be fussy now...
Sovereign's kinda wild, but its further into the future, and all that. Everything gets condensed with tech advances, so on...

LOL!

Revenend,...

Me ole AgentSloan,.... fussy,...?
Yep

Fussy, testy, and Fireband!

AgentSloan · « **Reply #37 on:** August 20, 2004, 03:20:09 pm »

Quote from: Chris Johnson on August 20, 2004, 02:09:13 pm

He thinks I should be restricted to canonical stuff. Well, I have seen the light and broken free of the awful discontinuities of Enterprise.

I don't care if the UFP accepted the Sovereign design, they were wasting resources just to make a fanboy ship for Picard. Either that, or the real life explination, Berman wanted a fanboy ship for Patrick Stewart to act in and for the audience to adore. Well, I don't adore it. Besides, why waste a perfectly good 2360s Starfleet that could've had a simple upgrade? That would've been better off than spinning off new designs so quick to fight the Borg in FC and the Dominion in DS9. Although the only time we see Sovereign-class starships was in the TNG movies...

The Sovereign is an accepted ship by many because it looks good, and many recent thoughts about the Galaxy-class was that it was ugly compared to the Sovereign. Well, a big hot rod like the Sovereign can get all the attention it wants. My fandom lays on what Don express in his sig as a class not worth getting; A now-underlooked, underappreciated class who had the tradition of having the fifth starship to bear the name Enterprise in its lineage of ships. I for one see the inner and outer beauty of the Galaxy-class.

Now do not get me wrong, I still have some love for the Sovereign-class mainly because it carries the sixth starship to bear the name Enterprise and has the crew a new generation of TV-watchers grew up with, but it really doesen't have much appeal to me because when I look at it, it just looks cool, nothing more. Just... Eye-candy. When I see the Enterprise-D, it's one of two ships I grew up with that had been on the spotlight; the other being the original Constitution-class U.S.S. Enterprise. For Enterprise-D, I had a nice time growing up with them. But the feeling of enjoyment I got with either ship and crew, I rarely got with the Enterprise-E.

Hello Chris Johnson,

Actually,... the USS Sovreign is an accepted UFP design becuase the Producers of the Star Trek: First Contact Movie deemed it so.
They say so.
Neither you nor I, can dispute that.
Additionally,... in the Canon-Literature of the Star Trek Encyclopedia (updated 1999 AD version),
the USS Sovreign is also denoted as an accepted UFP design.
Right there in "black-and-white".

USS Sovreign (Enterprise-E, most advanced UFP starship, thus the best for UFP Pres.)
USS Galaxy (Enterprise-D),
USS Ambassador (Enterprise-C).

Next up,

My signature.

Its the 5th Frame in sequence of 5 pics of the "USS Odessey Death Scene".
The Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Episode called "The Jem'Hadar" (season ender of the 3rd season).

Why did I pick it,....?

Its was not becuase I don't like the USS Galaxy-Class.
On the contrary, I think its a beautiful starship design.
As well I think the USS Sovreign is a beautiful design as well.

"USS Odessey Death Scene": Frame 1

"USS Odessey Death Scene": Frame 2

"USS Odessey Death Scene": Frame 3

"USS Odessey Death Scene": Frame 4

"USS Odessey Death Scene": Frame 5

I picked the "Death Scene pic" (the whole sequence posted above),
as a reminder to me "... pride go-eth before a fall,...".

As the leader of Section 31 "moi Agent Sloan",.... believes the following,

The United Federation of Planets had grown complacent, and frankly arrogant,
We thought NO-ONE COULD DEFEAT US.

Well we were wrong.
The Dominion was willing to go to "any length to defeat us".
(just like the Kamakazee run that destroyed the USS Odessey, ole Captain Koeing, and her 1200 crew).

What is my favourite Enterprise design,...?
The USS Ambassador Class, the Enterprise-C.

(that design "Yesterdays Enterprise" got me watching the show after giving up on it).

Take care,
AgentSloan

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #38 on:** August 20, 2004, 04:17:41 pm »

I think you were just making the same argument that didn't get the point I was trying to make. I said I didn't give a care about what Paramount thinks. I won't restrict myself to canonical material. I don't care if the Sovereign is an accepted design. I accept it too. I don't like it a lot, but I accept it.

Now lets get back on topic, shall we?

The U.S.S. Sovereign is a ship of battle with all of what she's carrying, not a ship of peace, and Starfleet wants peace, right?

The most ideal ship for diplomatic/presidential purposes has to be the Galaxy-class Starship. Oh sure, the Sovereign-class Starship exists and it is one of the most advanced designs... Oh wait, the Prometheus-class is even more advanced. Now how do you account for forgetting it was canonical too? It's even more a ship of war than the slightly-less advanced Sovereign-class starship, which is slightly-more advanced than the Galaxy-class starship.
Be it Sovereign or Prometheus, a ship of battle is necessary to defend the president. This doesen't mean the president has to be in it. Frankly I think ships of battle are a bigger threat and a bigger target for the enemy to pick on. For the end of the 2360s it was the Galaxy-class Starship. For the beginning of the 2370s it was the Defiant and Sovereign warships. For the mid-2370s we have your Prometheus-class, and it was quite a sight indeed that the Tal Shiar wanted to capture the vessel for themselves and study it! If the president needs a ship of battle, he could beam aboard one and claim it "Starfleet One" for a while. Or he could order it to be an escort to defend the president. Have the warship as a distraction while the President cowers out to survive another day in his term.
The Galaxy-class starship is a ship of peace and exploration, and perfect for diplomatic relations. It is a class of starship most symbolic of the Federation, a government seeking peace and exploring to see what's out there. Also, how do you account for the absence of Sovereign-class ships during the Dominion War? There's only one hint and it was a remark said by Picard, and we don't know how many Sovereign-class ships have been made. It's a new class and 100 ships can't be easily spun out. If anything it should be harder to make than a Galaxy-class. And aside from practically the first of her class, the only known canonical Starship of said class was the Enterprise-E. Of course, having a presidential ship is non-canon, yes. But that doesen't mean we should ignore canon, as you frequently suggest. Also, there are about twelve, maybe thirteen Galaxy-class starships, a few of them with unknown names. One of them could be a presidential ship reserved for the President of the UFP to use for Diplomatic purposes, hypothetically speaking. It's also more practical to waste resources just for the President to have a ship slightly-more advanced than a Galaxy-class.

Quite frankly, I believe either way, the President would have a ship less powerful than another in the same class, and probably less advanced too. Should the president want defense, that's what escorts are for. You see important figures in cars guarded by police cars and motorcycles? Especially the President's car. They are his defense. And so should starships escorting the UFP's president, if necessary.

It just makes more sense to me to picture a Galaxy-class presidential ship guarded by a few powerful ships (I.E. Ambassador-class, or Akira, or what not), than just a loner armed-to-the-teeth warship painted to be a presidential ship.

AgentSloan · « **Reply #39 on:** August 20, 2004, 04:19:34 pm »

Quote from: Chris Johnson on August 20, 2004, 04:17:41 pm

I think you were just making the same argument that didn't get the point I was trying to make. I said I didn't give a care about what Paramount thinks. I won't restrict myself to canonical material. I don't care if the Sovereign is an accepted design. I accept it too. I don't like it a lot, but I accept it.

Now lets get back on topic, shall we?

Ahem,...
How are you not talking about Canonical Material,...?
Eh,...?

AgentSloan · « **Reply #40 on:** August 20, 2004, 04:25:53 pm »

USS Galayx Class
http://www.stguardian.to/fed/galaxy/

"Death of the USS Odyssey"

BOOM.

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #41 on:** August 20, 2004, 04:41:27 pm »

*ahem* I sort-of revised my last post to contain more stuff. You tried stating that the Sovereign-class was canonical and got the impression I deemed it unofficial despite otherwise. I'm saying it was a fanboy ship. I didn't say it was uncanonical. There are fanboy ships that are canonical in Trek. The Delta Flyer was almost a hot rod herself:

"We are not building a 24th-century hot rod." -- Tuvok

However, as I said, lets get back on topic, to the main discussion Don. As I said, I updated my last post.

(Before we go on, I'd like to say thanks for the link, I never knew about the original plans of an NCC-1701-E Galaxy-class U.S.S. Enterprise before decided a new ship was going to take its place, if that was what happened. )

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #42 on:** August 20, 2004, 11:47:30 pm »

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/starfleet_ships1.htm

Scroll down to the Galaxy-class section of the page. If I interpreted your post correctly, you were close, if not spot on.

Centurus · « **Reply #43 on:** August 21, 2004, 04:05:53 am »

I know I am the one to blame for this whole out of control discussion. A month or so ago someone had posted in another thread the link and some pics of another Titan class. It was a kitbash die-cast model. I went to the site, and started looking around all the different ships, and then came across the President's Ship, and then posted the link in a new thread seeing if anyone would be willing to do the ship, which was just a simple retexture of the Galaxy class, but Fury decided to try it out on a Sovereign. Either way, it was beautifully done. I didn't expect the whole thing to turn out into a debate as to whether or not a ship was a fanboy ship or not. Too bad we just can't have a retexture of every single class of ship to bear the name Enterprise, that way people can choose which ship they think should be the President's Ship. Fury, if you're reading this, you think you'd be willing to take on a project like this? I ask you because you did such a beautiful job in retexturing the Sovereign. I know someone else made a MkII Connie retexture for the President's Ship, but unfortunately I can't use it cause I don't have the software or the skills necessary to convert it to SFC3. To those of you that were discussing the validity of the Sovereign as a potential candidate for the President's Ship, I do not wish to come off as angry or disrespectful. I just didn't think that something like this would flare up so much.

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #44 on:** August 21, 2004, 05:37:58 am »

No, I should take blame. Now, I think the Sovereign alone is an okay design given Berman's modifications to Gene's own ST Galaxy, and new technology setting fourth in one area or two finally (I wonder if we'd be stuck with Phasers and Photon Torpedoes for the rest of the Federation's existance actually). I just thought of the Sovereign to be a ship of battle more, for eye-candy yes, but nonetheless an accepted ship of battle. I never thought of mixing up a Sovereign with gold and blue and other UFP colors to indicate it as a ship for the UFP's President. It seemed too much to me like a fanboy seeking grandeur fantasies of starship combat finally got the highest power in the UFP to do such.
I tried reasoning, "Why a Sovereign-class? Although a Galaxy-class Starship can hold her own very well compared to other ships in her early time, it also was designed for diplomatic relations and deep-space exploration in mind."

I felt it better that a Galaxy-class would be better suited for a ship for the UFP President seeking peace in the Galaxy, not seeking a fight. Of course people have their disagreements and opinions. Sometimes its nice to discuss something useless and make it feel productive and enjoyable. That's why I actually think it was a good thing Don showed up. Lets just try to keep the hostility down.

Down to the point: I believe it to be my fault. I always have a bad habit of instinctually adding my two cents in without truely thinking 100% correctly. But not to say that all this is entirely bad... As long as hostility is kept to a minimum and there's an interest of discussing this someplace, I think it would all be fine.

battlestar001 · « **Reply #45 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:14:16 am »

The sovvy is offically a deep space explorer. Unoffically a battleship. During the dominion war starfleet built the Galaxy insted because it was a proven design. I doubt that there would be only 12 galaxys spread out between 80 000 light years. There would have to be a lot more galaxy classes in production. Soverigen was designed with the borg in mind so was intended to battle them along with the defiant and the arika. The sovvy is less a fan boy ship and more like a work of art

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #46 on:** August 21, 2004, 07:02:39 am »

I've stopped blindly going to official stuff when Akiraprise showed up. *sigh*

Both the Galaxy-class and Sovereign-class starships are works of art. With more people nowadays trashing the Galaxy-class because of its looks, I keep looking at the Sovereign-class, a popular design as most see it as. Being as short as a Constitution-class, longer than a Galaxy-class, and armed to the teeth with big starbase phasers (People keep telling me Type XII phasers are starbase phasers...), big and bulky warp engines that take you to the insane Warp 9.99 speed, blue "Quantum" torpedoes (Aren't they just big m/am warheads like Photons anyway?)... I absolutely have no idea how to describe it.

In love, there is the outer beauty for physical attraction, and inner-beauty for the emotional attraction, something much stronger. Using this analogy, I find that a Galaxy-class has more inner-beauty than the Sovereign ever has. Firstly, the Sovereign is just a hot rod as I keep saying. Quote: "We have the 'cadillacs' of starships; I wanted a porsche." -- John Eaves
In the Galaxy-class, there's her own unique outer-beauty, escaping from the TOS's conventional way of circular saucers, cylindrical hulls and warp nacelles. And for its size, has more compact warp nacelles! Emphasizing that, yes people, technology will continue to get smaller. Aside from the Defiant-class--an oversized pseudofighter with battlecruiser firepower--The closest thing I found to such was the Intrepid-class, carrying similar traces of the Galaxy-class design while being unique on her own, especially when you consider the fact that those little pair of engines can make the Intrepid-class go almost as fast as the Sovereign can!
There's also the inner-beauty of the Galaxy-class. Inside you see a community, a small city at work, normally peaceful and explorative. Oh sure, she's armed pretty well, but keep in mind, she's built for deep-space exploration and peaceful diplomatic relations when coming into first contact with new species, new governments.
The Sovereign-class is one step back, inner and outer-beauty. It's main purpose is to be armed to the teeth, and to look cool while fighting her enemies, the first one being the Borg, and last being that Reman whatchamacallit that could easily pulverize the Sovereign-class. It has Photon and Quantum launchers all over it like pimples in your face at puberty, must have a lot of torpedoes for that! Big starbase phasers, huge Enterprise-B-esque impulse engines that makes her turn on a dime better than her Gaalxy-class "counterpart," and a Captain's yacht that looked like Ford built it with Firestone Shuttlecraft engines!

I never thought of Starfleet as a big military full of cool-looking Porsches and Cadillacs with your everyday Honda and Toyota cruisers of the 2360s hauling butts from one starbase to another. John Eaves made a mistake to go for a cool-looking ship. In real life, I wouldn't view it much that way. Cooler starship means more audience, more money. Akiraprise is a "cooler" design than the more historically-consistant Daedelus-class. Cooler ships means better ratings meaning more money. Berman has his share of profit from cool ships. The Sovereign-class certainly looks cool. Just, cool. If people really appreciated what Star Trek was all about, we wouldn't have many of these ships; as in no Defiant-class, no Sovereign-class, no Prometheus, no Steamrunner, etc. We'd still have our New Orelans-class starships, our Galaxy-class, our Nebula-class (we still do amazingly enough), etc. And that would mean lower ratings in the real world, and possibly less chances for games. So we should be thankful for profit.

Canonical-wise, why would starfleet waste a bunch of resources on a whole lot of newer class of starships in favor for a "fleet makeover"? Almost every class of Starship seen in the 2360s, aside from the Galaxy-class, Nebula-class, Miranda-class, and Excelsior-class, had been replaced with a ship equivalent or more powerful than their own. Couldn't they just spend more resources on upgrading rather than scrapping and rebuilding?

Aieee... *sigh* This is why I should knock myself back a hundred years into the prime of Star Trek's past and be happy with my Constitution-class and Excelsior-class ships, and so on...

I may not have expressed my opinion in full; in the way I wanted to, but I gave it my best shot. I just hope I didn't insult anyone, that's not my intention.

battlestar001 · « **Reply #47 on:** August 21, 2004, 08:01:14 am »

The galaxy class is in a league of her own. But for a very large spacefaring race to stop designing new ship classes would be bad. as newer technology come out not all classes of ship will be able to begraded to hold it so designers would have to design new ships that can be built with this new technology that also would be able to be upgraded with newer technology. Also as the federation is expanding , more ships, newer ship and faster capital ships would be needed. The sovvy is kinda like a hot rod. but in saying that what about the intrepid class? she has some design simulartys with the soverigen. She has no neck and is slimar to the soverigen.

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #48 on:** August 21, 2004, 02:33:01 pm »

Keep in mind; The Sovereign-class was made in 1996. The Intrepid in 1995.

Although you hold up a point, what about the rest of the technology on ships that had been only in service for a few years? The Intrepid's been out for five or seven, why not develop a class to replace it? If we go by the "logic" of always desigining a new class of starship to replace another that was recently out with new technology herself, would you honestly think resources are put into good use?

battlestar001 · « **Reply #49 on:** August 21, 2004, 03:46:31 pm »

Found these date for ship lornchers.

Promeathus - 2375
soveriegn - 2372
Nova - 2370 (Estamate)
Defiant - 2370
Intrepid - 2370
Akira - 2365 (Estamate)
Streamrunner - 2365
Galaxy - 2360
Nebula - 2357 (Estamate)
Ambasador - 2330 (Estamate)
Centuar - 2330 (Estamate)
Constutation - 2284 (Estamate)
Excelsior - 2284
Oberth -2270 (Estamate)
Miranda - 2260 (Estamate)
Constition -2245
Deladious - 2155
NX - 2151

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #50 on:** August 21, 2004, 09:04:44 pm »

That book is not really canonical, is it? Especially when some information for it is wrong, such as the Constitution-class (refit) data. The Enterprise was called in for a refit at some point in 2270, and for one and a half years was upgraded to the latest tech. The lone fact that they had the commision date wrong for the refitted Constitution-class's commision tells me that the book you are referencing can't be trusted as truely canonical, even if it is made by paramount. It is also contradictory to it's online database where here it states, and I quote: "The starship underwent several refits, most notably in 2270, involving an upgrade of most systems and the replacement of the bridge and warp-drive nacelles."

Also, the sypnosis for Star Trek: The Motion Picture states it takes place in 2271. We do not see an original series Constitution-class in that movie; the Big E was refitted. Therefore, the commision is at 2270 or 2271, contradictory to your book. Therefore, I don't really think it is a reliable resource.

No offense intended, but I really knew that 2273 was a wrong date, and figured to note that out.

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #51 on:** August 22, 2004, 02:57:42 am »

I'm still clueless as to why a whole fleet to replace another quickly and miraculously... Especially when that fleet is only a few years old at best. I mean, not much is known about class starships like the Cheyenne-class or New Orelans-class, or Challenger or even Niagra-class. Why not send one of these class of starships out to battle instead of an outdated Miranda or Excelsior-class starship? Why waste resources for a class of starship almost doomed to be mothballed? (Excelsior-class for example; The Lakota was heavily upgraded.) In the end, Starfleet might be more reckless than Kirk is on his Starship tactics. I doubt that all those class of ships that look like they belong in the Galaxy-class design lineage (that were in the battle at Wolf 359 most notably) were decommisioned at the same time so soon in its service.

battlestar001 · « **Reply #52 on:** August 22, 2004, 11:27:42 am »

well the date when the refit became standered design may have been 2373 but whatt about the others that were upgraded?

battlestar001 · « **Reply #53 on:** August 22, 2004, 11:55:49 am »

ah but as space faring races get older there ships will start looking tmore like 'hot rods'. Would u drive a car from the early 20th centuary that looks like a brick?

battlestar001 · « **Reply #54 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:59:43 pm »

yeager, yuck

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #55 on:** August 22, 2004, 04:10:33 pm »

Although we've made some good points--all of us--I think we should go back to the original topic of discussion before we continue veering off-course; About which ship is best suited for the President of the UFP and why.

Centurus · « **Reply #56 on:** August 22, 2004, 11:06:11 pm »

Quote from: Chris Johnson on August 22, 2004, 04:10:33 pm

Although we've made some good points--all of us--I think we should go back to the original topic of discussion before we continue veering off-course; About which ship is best suited for the President of the UFP and why.

Isn't this how this whole topic started to veer off-course? Oh well. Anyone attempt taking a crack at retexturing other classes as the UFP President?

battlestar001 · « **Reply #57 on:** August 23, 2004, 04:21:09 am »

easy, the most advanced ship class in the fleet.

Core · « **Reply #58 on:** August 23, 2004, 07:40:45 am »

or the bigest ship with the latest word in tech even if it is prototype or experimental

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #59 on:** August 23, 2004, 04:11:05 pm »

In otherwords, the warship Prometheus?

I'm sorry, but it's rediculous. It's just a big ship of war. Why would the president want to get himself killed in a war?

Core · « **Reply #60 on:** August 23, 2004, 06:37:30 pm »

I'm talking abut a ship with thesize of a galaxy class and the tech of the Prometheus class in other words the hull of the galaxy with the latest systems on par with the Prometheus

battlestar001 · « **Reply #61 on:** August 25, 2004, 01:02:20 pm »

sounds bout right.

Core · « **Reply #62 on:** August 25, 2004, 02:20:13 pm »

or just a custom made frame especially for the president but i think he would just take control of any ship available even if it is a constitution class or sumthing like it

but if its for a more permanent role id say the largest frame with the latest tech

Centurus · « **Reply #63 on:** August 25, 2004, 07:12:24 pm »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, is there anyone around that could possibly do retextures of any and all available ships so there are different classes of ships around with the UFP President ship texture to it?

battlestar001 · « **Reply #64 on:** August 26, 2004, 06:13:54 am »

I would if i could

Centurus · « **Reply #65 on:** August 26, 2004, 07:05:01 pm »

Quote from: Fallen_Warrior on August 26, 2004, 06:55:48 am

thats a lot of re textures

True, but in the end, it would make everyone happy. :-D

battlestar001 · « **Reply #66 on:** August 27, 2004, 04:43:23 pm »

lol, i'll have a go. what ships would u like? i will have to alter existing textures as i can not create my own.

Centurus · « **Reply #67 on:** August 27, 2004, 05:39:38 pm »

Quote from: battlestar001 on August 27, 2004, 04:43:23 pm

lol, i'll have a go. what ships would u like? i will have to alter existing textures as i can not create my own.

Any ship would do for a start.

battlestar001 · « **Reply #68 on:** August 28, 2004, 03:57:35 pm »

hmmm, let me try something small then. what about defiant class or nova class?

battlestar001 · « **Reply #69 on:** August 28, 2004, 04:36:59 pm »

b4 u say u think im mad ive altered an intrepid class ship texture. i just want to make it clear that I DID NOT ORGINALY MAKE THE INTREPID TEXTURE FOR THIS SHIP. IT IS THE MODEL AND TEXTURES FROM THE DOMINION WAR MOD SO ALL CREDITS FOR THIS SHIP ARE FROM THERE. Take s look at that ive done so far. I dont texture so its not very brilant.

Dawntreader · « **Reply #70 on:** August 28, 2004, 07:09:10 pm »

The Intrepid would make a perfect presidential ship for short or dangerous excursions. It is fast, luxurious, well armed, and is easy to make look perfect even after the most furocious battles (a la Voyager). No amount of damage is irreperable and the President would be perfectly safe no matter what (unless the plot calls for otherwise).

battlestar001 · « **Reply #71 on:** August 29, 2004, 12:33:38 pm »

lol, i asked what u guys thought of my texture so far

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #72 on:** August 29, 2004, 06:03:01 pm »

Dont use solid yellow, use #FFCC3C for the gold

Centurus · « **Reply #73 on:** August 30, 2004, 05:47:39 am »

Looking pretty good so far. Any other shots of the ship retextures?

battlestar001 · « **Reply #74 on:** August 30, 2004, 01:07:08 pm »

shure. thanks for ur imput. Will post more screan grabs later

AgentSloan · « **Reply #75 on:** September 05, 2004, 06:44:36 am »

Quote from: Chris Johnson on August 22, 2004, 04:10:33 pm

Although we've made some good points--all of us--I think we should go back to the original topic of discussion before we continue veering off-course; About which ship is best suited for the President of the UFP and why.

The USS Sovreign Class, is th most advanced starship, at present in the UFP fleet,
thus they should use that one as the UFP Presidents starship.

Take care,

AgentSloan

battlestar001 · « **Reply #76 on:** September 05, 2004, 01:50:38 pm »

well, i think so but not every one does

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #77 on:** September 05, 2004, 09:24:16 pm »

Quote from: AgentSloan on September 05, 2004, 06:44:36 am

Quote from: Chris Johnson on August 22, 2004, 04:10:33 pm
Although we've made some good points--all of us--I think we should go back to the original topic of discussion before we continue veering off-course; About which ship is best suited for the President of the UFP and why.

The USS Sovreign Class, is th most advanced starship, at present in the UFP fleet,
thus they should use that one as the UFP Presidents starship.

Take care,
AgentSloan

Oh? Apparently he hadn't really read much of what went on. No offense Don, but you're wrong. As of 2374 (or 2375?), it was outdated by the newer Prometheus-class, a top-secret Starfleet warship. If we follow your logic, this vessel would be the choice, not the Sovereign-class. But why use a top-secret warship that everyone wants their hands on if found out? Heck, the Tal'Shiar even tried getting their hands on it! It seems to me that the most-advanced starship is more like a target that non-allied goverments would like to try to hit. Since the Galaxy-class is no-longer the most-advanced, and is suited for diplomatic and deep-space exploration, I feel it should be used by the President of the UFP, as the Galaxy-class is the current TNG ship most-symbolic for the Federation; Explorative and diplomatic.

Going with the logic of the most-advanced starship will bring you to a warship that some people would love to get their hands on. I don't view the Federation as Star Trek's Imperial Empire (analogy to SW) as most starships seem to be like nowadays. But all of this is just my repeated two cents on the issue.

battlestar001 · « **Reply #78 on:** September 06, 2004, 02:45:47 pm »

The sov if built for seep space exploration and no one in there right mind would go after here. If the Remn war bird hadent got the cloak that they couls fire through i doubt the fight would have been one sided

AgentSloan · « **Reply #79 on:** September 07, 2004, 01:07:40 pm »

Quote from: Chris Johnson on September 05, 2004, 09:24:16 pm

Quote from: AgentSloan on September 05, 2004, 06:44:36 am
Quote from: Chris Johnson on August 22, 2004, 04:10:33 pm
Although we've made some good points--all of us--I think we should go back to the original topic of discussion before we continue veering off-course; About which ship is best suited for the President of the UFP and why.

The USS Sovreign Class, is th most advanced starship, at present in the UFP fleet,
thus they should use that one as the UFP Presidents starship.

Take care,
AgentSloan

Oh? Apparently he hadn't really read much of what went on. No offense Don, but you're wrong. As of 2374 (or 2375?), it was outdated by the newer Prometheus-class, a top-secret Starfleet warship.

<snip>

Hello Chris Johnson,

I would appreciate it if you did not put words in my mouth.
That is one of your most infuriating qualities, in my opinion.

The USS Prometheus sole design purpose was a novel way to attack a Borg Cube.
The mulit-vector (i.e., the ship breaking up into separate parts acting in unison was its philosophy.[/b]
Another "anti-Borg" starship design is the USS Defiant.

Its pulsed-phaser banks (drawing power directly from the Warp-Core) to obtain a devasting rate of fire, to overwhelm Borg-shields was it philosophy.

The USS Sovreign Class (the present USS Enterprise-E), is the latest "child" in the lineage of multi-purpose starships, that make up the back-bone of Starfleet at present.
Additionally, it is most ADVANCED of this type.
Thus I believe it would be the best

battlestar001 · « **Reply #80 on:** September 07, 2004, 02:25:35 pm »

I see the point in the prom was launched later than the sov so it should be more advanced but if u think lojicaly. the defiant, sov, prom and arika classes would have been designed at the same time, for the same purpose. The defiant would have been complicated first for obviusals resions. The prom is very powerfull because it divides into 3 standalone sections if it was just 1 ship then it would be easily defateable

AgentSloan · « **Reply #81 on:** September 07, 2004, 03:38:14 pm »

Quote from: battlestar001 on September 07, 2004, 02:25:35 pm

I see the point in the prom was launched later than the sov so it should be more advanced but if u think lojicaly. the defiant, sov, prom and arika classes would have been designed at the same time, for the same purpose. The defiant would have been complicated first for obviusals resions. The prom is very powerfull because it divides into 3 standalone sections if it was just 1 ship then it would be easily defateable

Hello battlestar001,

I guess you have point there eh,
It all is ones personal preference in the end,

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5660/chart.jpg

Take care, and best wishes,

AgentSloan

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #82 on:** September 07, 2004, 05:14:26 pm »

(Don... I didn't put words in your mouth, not intentionally at least. You said before that the most-advanced starship is most-reasonable a choice for a Federation President upon choosing his own personal starship for transportation. Then you imply the Sovereign-class would thus be the choice. In 2372 or 2373, yes. Not in 2374+. If we continued your logic that the most-advanced starship would be the choice, it points out to the most-powerful, top-secret warship Starfleet has to offer; The U.S.S. Prometheus. That is why I replied the way I have. Also, you were open enough to be disproven. You first and continually replied that the Sovereign-class was the most-advanced starship. ... Now you say "of its type," and still I am open enough on disagreeing; The Sovereign-class is more a ship of battle against major current threats of its time than a ship of exploration. It fits in with ships like the Defiant, Akira, and Prometheus. I was trying to explain my simple disagreement, that's all. Now continuing with that...)

Comparing "Star Trek: First Contact" to "Message in a Bottle" (VGR), I'd have to disagree Don. Sorry for the stubborness, but since when can the Sovereign seperate based on on-screen canonical evidence? The closest to such is the bow of the ship being ripped apart when it is backing off from being welded inside Shinzon's ship after the collision. But that's hardly a saucer seperation that the Enterprise-D had performed a few times in her duties or the Prometheus in the aformentioned Voyager episode. And although it can be argued that we haven't seen a D'Deridex Type-B Romulan Warbird ("The Defector," "Tin Man" [TNG]) go up against a Sovereign, but what kind of Federation Starship can easily destroy such a Warbird and remain (for the most part) unscaythed?
More proof that the Prometheus is more advanced could lie in its holographic technology. Since when do you see Emergency Medical Holograms running around Sovereign-class Starships? Since when do you see Tommy Guns being fired at Borg outside of the holodeck? The point is, Hologram technology expanded past the Holodeck where the Prometheus is concerned.
To me, I feel convinced the Prometheus was the testbed for technology improved from what was then the "most-advanced" starship outside of classified material. Also, when in MVAM, A little fifth nacelle on the top "saucer" of the Prometheus was what was keeping up with other parts of the ship when driving off a Nebula-class...
Then we have Andy Dick! Oh, sorry, that's the actor's name for the EMH Mark II (also in the aforementioned Voyager episode), a prototype in itself and more-advanced than the EMH Mark I of the Enterprise-E.

You are right in the matter of personal preference Don (and Battlestar001), but wrong in the matter of most-advanced starship. Technically, the most-advanced starship would have technology exceeding that of other ships. I ask you, why is the "most-advanced" starship (Sovereign-class in question, according to you Don) using technology outdated by the Prometheus-class? Just because some projects start in the same years as others doesen't mean it'll use the exact same technology upon release, especially if one takes longer than another. Prometheus is such an example compared to the Sovereign.

Going by the logic of most-advanced starship being the choice for the Federation President's interstellar transportation, the Top-secret U.S.S. Prometheus is the choice, not the Sovereign.

Centurus · « **Reply #83 on:** September 07, 2004, 08:01:31 pm »

Quote from: Fallen_Warrior on September 07, 2004, 06:57:40 pm

personaly this thread is starting to get a bit long winded why dony you just say that the president ship would be anything he can get his hands on at the time weather it be a Q-Ship so he wouldnt be a target by flying around in a prommie or a sovvie for offical missions he probaly uses the flag ship of the fleet and it wouldnt have its paint job changed just because it has the president on board i mean fair enough its a nice idea do do textures but starfleet would not have one of its great designs of ship sitting around doing nothing waiting for the president to wake up and take him to mars for bacon and eggs

everyone has there own opinions here but can we just agree to disagree this was originaly about the fantastic re texture idea and now its almost become a warzone you have everyone getting on each others nerves and to be honest its beyond the point of debate and has become almost a battle to see who gets the last word

FINALLY!!!! SOMEONE ELSE AGREES WITH ME!!!!!! I had tried putting an end to this endless bickering about a month ago or so. As I had said before, this is most likely my fault, since I had asked if a ship could be retextured to look like a custom paint job of a ship model that someone did and then posted on a website. When someone else mentioned that a Sovereign would probably look better with a retexture like that, I for one was eager to see how it would look. My only intention though was to see if at least one ship, ONE SHIP, could be retextured with that type of texturing pattern, and it was. I personally would have loved to see other ships redone with the same kind of textures, namely the MkII Constitution (which was done but is only for SFC2, and if anyone can convert it for me to SFC3, I would be very greatful), the Excelsior, the Galaxy, and hell, even the Ambassador. I don't feel that this thread, or this forum, is the appropriate place to debate as to which ship SHOULD be the ship of the UFP president. I know retextures such as these take a long time, but you know what, good things are worth waiting for, and I'm hoping that other ship classes, CANON AND NON-CANON, will eventually be retextured with the UFP presidential textures. Not only so that it makes everyone happy, but also you could say, what if this ship were to be the president's ship. Or hell, this just came to mind. Why not do a starbase retexture, just for the hell of it. If you want to say whether a certain retexture looks nice or not on a particular ship class, then this is the thread to do it in.

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #84 on:** September 07, 2004, 08:22:55 pm »

It's a nice idea. I realize you wanted to end the arguing, and for a while I thought it had. I was just replying to Don's messages when he continued it. And although it's off-topic in a thread and forum it need not be discussed on, who usually wants to actively discuss this when one brings it up intentionally? I can go to the Ten-Forward or General SFC Forum thread and start it, but it'll be usually a quiet and unpopular thread, withering away, dying. Sometimes the best times to discuss an interesting subject nobody usually cares about is at a forum and thread it sometimes is unsuited in.

I for one don't really call this discussion bickering. Sure, an insult or two was thrown, but it's how you interpret it. You may interpret by now that I'm not really in a good mood. Not true; I'm calm. I really thought that the subject was interesting and should be continued, and was enjoyable to participate in! And if it were decided it should be closed or moved to a proper thread about it, it'll most likely die compared to how active this discussion was, and likely I'd be bored out of my skull when browsing. Not every day there's an interesting thread subject I feel I can participate in, accidental startings of such a discussion or not.

I apologize for insulting anyone, it was never my intention, nor was it to insult Don, despite shaky grounds. I personally don't care about his agitation towards me; I say forget it. The past is the past. We were only having a discussion that can be friendly. Even if it was off-topic to the thread, it usually is whenever I get into an in-depth discussion like this. Otherwise I'd probably have ten posts of compliments or starting discussions that would die out fast, and most of my time here would be browsing browsing browsing.

For a community like the SFC community, I think sometimes discussions on a topic related to something, but might not be on-topic overall, would benefit the community in the sense that more people are active at something related to the community. After all, I feel satisfied when I gain pleasure from useless knowledge of entertainment.

This is why I'm sometimes for the discussions, be it sometimes off-topic or not. Well, as long as nobody flames another and starts a flame war. That wouldn't be good.

Sapharite · « **Reply #85 on:** September 08, 2004, 02:12:01 am »

First of all Don and Chris. I'll say this once. Stop making here quotes. In my opnion Chrises way of thinking sounds more resonable.
Second Sovie and Prom are the top class playboys in the UFP's Starfleet. Sovie was designed for more scientific role than Prometheus - which is more warshiplike and newer but both ships were made to be prepared for any further Borg incursions.
BTW Chris you mean Galaxy - refit as seen in DS9 (with extra phaser strips added to the nacelles)?? I would agreed for this one because she was refitted with new systems like Quantum Torpedo Launchers, newer more efficient Warpcore, and computer systems (including new LCars version + gel packs)...

BTW Battlestar Akira, Sovereign have the same bridge module installed and many other things common with each other. Those ships belong to one era. You're right.

But this is only my own idea. You can disagree with it as well

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #86 on:** September 08, 2004, 04:51:43 am »

I kind-of got confused in the way how you worded your message Seis, but if I interpret it correctly, I'd have to disagree. The Sovereign was made in response against the Borg (and other incoming threats such as the Dominion I suppose). If Starfleet was making another vessel for the same reason as making the Galaxy-class (in the first place... Think between the 2340s and 2350s, think their motives back then, before the discovery of big threats in the 2360s/2370s. The role I'm talking about being scientific, diplomatic, and explorative), what would be the point in a new class of starship when there are more resource-efficient (rather than saying "cost-efficient", keeping with Gene's saying that in the future there'd be no money, no greed, etc.) ways? Ways such as upgrading or making more ships of the same class that had the "same purpose" as stated. Point being, the Sovereign was intended as a warship more than an explorative ship in the first place, one of quite a few ships made in response to the bigger threats of the Federation. The Galaxy-class had more of a deep-space scientific/diplomatic role (not purely-scientific, as small science vessels would be dispatched after exploration) in its early days.
I like the idea of Q-ships myself though, although two or three at best with a couple more ships surrounding the president. Have a couple older ships upgraded to newer technology and maybe a few ships all together, repainted maybe, for special occasions where the president might be in danger. I still say have a Galaxy-class in the bunch, perhaps one that might be near Earth being upgraded or something. While they upgrade throw in some paint (I wonder how quick paint jobs in the Federation are), put some flowers in Ten Forward, have a couple of New Orelans-class ships (at least one being a Q-ship and the President's true main "ride" in the Galaxy), throw in a normal Intrepid or two for more escorts, and I think you have something more plausable than just one ship.

I guess the idea of Q-ships seem a little more plausable. Maybe a little more toying-around with this subject isn't a bad idea.

Centurus · « **Reply #87 on:** September 08, 2004, 04:18:26 pm »

Now this is the kind of development that I like. I for one would love to see those retextures of the New Orleans, and any other ships that people would like to retexture.

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