Topic: SG8 or is it 9? Rules (discussion)

[FVA_C_ Blade_ XC]

Ya I guess it really depends who you are allied with?
As to the hex muncher thinggy,I meant the big ships are needed to chase off the hex munchers.

[FPF-DieHard]

Ya I guess it really depends who you are allied with?

yes, the last 2 servers that used these rules were AOTK3/4 where the ISC and Lyrans were on the same side (I-L-Z-F versus K-R-G-H).  Arguably the ISC and Lyans have the best BCHs, to allow them to wing together while the Coalition couldn't even field BCHs would have been horribly unfair. 

As to the hex muncher thinggy,I meant the big ships are needed to chase off the hex munchers.

yes, big ships are needed to do this as well as get kills for VC points, but it doesn't take a 2 BCHs or a DN and a BCH to chase off a K-D5D, Z-DF, F-NEC, etc . . .  one capitol ship and one smaller ship do the job just as well.

[FPF-Paladin]

I dont really care one way or another it just seems crippling to me.

Why you feel any ISC ship or combination thereof is crippled... ?  Details?

[FVA_C_ Blade_ XC]

I dont really care one way or another it just seems crippling to me.

Why you feel any ISC ship or combination thereof is crippled... ?  Details?

I never said ISC in general I just used the CCZ as an example.
I just feel that all the races should be able to fly what ever they want.

[FPF-DieHard]

I dont really care one way or another it just seems crippling to me.

Why you feel any ISC ship or combination thereof is crippled... ?  Details?

I never said ISC in general I just used the CCZ as an example.
I just feel that all the races should be able to fly what ever they want.

it does sound whacky but it works in practice.

[Corbomite]

2 CCZs are beatable, there's been a few times in XC TCIP/IP games of 2 CCZs in a fleet, but they do hurt quite a bit!

The main point of the rule more so I think(personally) it to help less experienced players not get super overwhelmed by 2+ CCZs in a improper fleet.

The CCZ is a balanced ship at it's BPV for IP/GSA play.  D2  categorizes by Hull class, which gives some pretty big mismatches in the BCH/DN classes.   

Some races have great DNs and lousy BCHs (Kzinti is the best example).   Some have amazing BCHs and lousy DNs (ISC, but their CVA is still a monster).  If DNs are going to be restricted, BCHs need to be as well.

The point of PBR rules, which we stole for D2 usage, was to allow all races to be able to fleet something that could fight every other race.   The point of the rules is to make the fleets "Fairer" across the races and to add some fricking variety to the fleets. 

The kicker is the ISC STILL is awesome, hardly hamstrung at all.  On AOTK3/4 the kitties would almost always use a big ISC ship as their anchor-man.  Three guys who know how to fly Echelon are almost unbeatable even with these rules.

We could go completely free-form and allow CVAs to escort BBs again     Or a CVA and 2 CVDs,   

Yeah! Preach it brother!

Blade, it is actually more fun this way and we see ships flown that never were before. Good to see you again BTW! 

[FVA_C_ Blade_ XC]

2 CCZs are beatable, there's been a few times in XC TCIP/IP games of 2 CCZs in a fleet, but they do hurt quite a bit!

The main point of the rule more so I think(personally) it to help less experienced players not get super overwhelmed by 2+ CCZs in a improper fleet.

The CCZ is a balanced ship at it's BPV for IP/GSA play.  D2  categorizes by Hull class, which gives some pretty big mismatches in the BCH/DN classes.   

Some races have great DNs and lousy BCHs (Kzinti is the best example).   Some have amazing BCHs and lousy DNs (ISC, but their CVA is still a monster).  If DNs are going to be restricted, BCHs need to be as well.

The point of PBR rules, which we stole for D2 usage, was to allow all races to be able to fleet something that could fight every other race.   The point of the rules is to make the fleets "Fairer" across the races and to add some fricking variety to the fleets. 

The kicker is the ISC STILL is awesome, hardly hamstrung at all.  On AOTK3/4 the kitties would almost always use a big ISC ship as their anchor-man.  Three guys who know how to fly Echelon are almost unbeatable even with these rules.

We could go completely free-form and allow CVAs to escort BBs again     Or a CVA and 2 CVDs,   

Yeah! Preach it brother!

Blade, it is actually more fun this way and we see ships flown that never were before. Good to see you again BTW! 

U2 Bro!