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Russo-Japanase war 1904-1905
« on: August 03, 2004, 08:36:24 pm »
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Re: Russo-Japanase war 1904-1905
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2004, 12:02:09 am »
Nice link, thanks. 

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Re: Russo-Japanase war 1904-1905
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2004, 11:01:28 am »
http://www.russojapanesewar.com/


Awsome site MJ.

Tsushima is one of the classic naval battles.  The japanese victory there was so decisive it devatsted the Russians.


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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2004, 01:01:23 pm »
Didn't know you guys like history, maybe I should print some of my articles:

Admiral Togo's fleet lay in wait in Masampo Bay at the northern end of Tsushima strait. During the months since the Russian controlled Port Arthur had fallen, Togo's Japanese fleet had been refitted, and his crews, already seasoned in battle, had been drilling intensely for the upcoming final encounter. Intelligence units dotted the coastline, ready to report the first sign of the Russians.

On the morning of May 27, 1905, Togo was awakened by news that the Russians were heading northward into the straight. By an unexplained oversight the Russian hospital ship Orel had failed to observe the fleet blackout and had been sighted in the heavy predawn mist. As he read the message, Togo reportedly smiled for the first time since the war had began. He sent out the signal "On this one battle rests the fate of our nation." This battle would now settle who was the dominate power in Asia for the first half of the 20th century, Czarist Russia or Imperial Japan.

The war had been long in coming, since the 1890s the colonial aspirations of both nations in China and Korea had been at odds. Japan had tried to negotiate with the Russians, for control of Korea and parts of China, but Russia saw no reason to share the far east with the little yellow men from an unimportant island kingdom. Early in 1904, the Japanese struck, with a sneak attack on Russia's most important far east base, Port Arthur, on the Liaotung Peninsular in China, and crippled the Russia ships there (Japan had begun a war with China several years earlier with such a sneak attack, and would again in 1941 against the United States). The Port fell after a siege, and the ships there were lost, so the Czar ordered his Baltic fleet to sail half way around the world to replace them, to be based out of Russia's remaining port, Vladivostok. This fleet was now entering the narrow waters between Korea and Japan, called Tsushima straight, and admiral Togo was lying in wait for them.

Togo immediately appeared on deck oh his flagship, the battleship Mikasa, and ordered his fleet to prepare for battle. Just 50 short years ago Japan had been a backward, unimportant nation, now it was an industrial power, prepared to take on one of the Great Powers of Europe. Togo's men donned freshly laundered uniforms for the occasion and as a precaution against infection if wounded. The grey Japanese warships were soon steaming southward to meet their adversaries. At their head stood the slightly built admiral, anxiously scanning the horizon.

Shortly after 1:30 pm Togo the bright yellow and black smokestacks of the Russian fleet. As the enormous battleships bore down on the Japanese Fleet, Togo realized he must change course, his ships would cross the enemy formation heading in the opposite direction. After an exchange of gunfire, the 'battle' would be over, and Russian Admiral Rozhdestvenski's ships could proceed unopposed to Vladivostok.

To avoid such a catastrophe, Togo ordered his fleet to reverse direction immediately. The daring maneuver exposed Togo's battle line to enemy fire for nearly 15 minutes as each ship turned in sequence. The Russians quickly saw their advantage and opened fire; but although the Czar's inexperienced gunners scored 16 direct hits on the Mikasa, most shots went astray.

The Japanese, having completed their maneuver, steered a parallel course to the Russians and soon drew ahead of them, blocking their northward progress and forcing the enemy line to veer off course. Firing from close range, Japan's crack gunners concentrated their fire on Russia's four lead battleships, the Suvorov, Oslyabya, Alexander III, andBorodino.

From a nearby island, a young boy watched as the two long lines of warships drew close together and the waters erupted in the ferocity of full-scale battle. "Countless shells were flying around." he observed. "and as they fell into the sea they turned into hundreds of water columns. The guns flashed like lightning and roared like a thousand thunderstorms..."

Japan's superior speed and marksmanship soon took its toll. The grey Japanese battleships, nearly invisible in the heavy mist, almost eluded the inexperienced Russian gunners aboard the all too visible warships. The Japanese had another decisive advantage in their deadly Shimose gunpowder, based on a secret French formula. The powder burst into flame on impact, producing an unbearable heat and poisonous fumes.

Togo later boasted that the battle was virtually decided by 2:45 that afternoon, barely an hour after it had begun. By then the enemy formation was in complete confusion. And all four lead ships had sustained direct hits. Minutes after 3 PM the captain of the Oslyabya gave orders to abandon ship. Half an hour later the huge vessel rolled on its side and sank.

About the same time the Suvurov, Rozhdestvenski's flagship, dropped out of line, badly crippled by an explosion on her conning tower. Rozhdestvenski, who had received a serious head injury from a flying shell fragment, was removed unconscious to a smaller ship. It would be hours before his second in command, Admiral Nicholas Nebogatov, learned that he had become acting commander of the Russian fleet.

Meanwhile, the captain of the Alexander III, which had replaced the Suvorov as the lead ship, had treid to escape the enemy by turning westward; but Togo's ships blocked the way and continued their relentless bombardment. About 6 PM the Alexander III, her decks ringed with fire and smoke, fell out of line. She sank shortly after 7PM, carrying her entire crew of 900 men with her. The Borodino soon met a similar fate.

That evening Togo withdrew his battleships to the north to bar the enemy from escaping to Vladivostok, while his smaller destroyers and torpedo boats continued their assault through the night. By midmorning the next day Togo's fleet had surrounded what remained of the Russian fleet, and Admiral Nebogatov raised the flag of surrender. He would later be court-marshalled and sentenced to death for his actions.

The Russian fleet had been annihilated. Of the 38 ships that entered the battle, all but 3 had been sunk, disabled or captured. Some 4,800 crewmen and officers, nearly half the total manpower, had been killed. The Japanese, on the other hand, had lost only three torpedo boats and 117 men. In terms of tonnage lost, it was the greatest sea battle to date in history, surpassed only by the huge air and sea battles of WWII.

When news of the victory reached Tokyo, joyous crowds poured into the streets to celebrate. That night there was singing and dancing in Hibiya Park, with streamers flying and dazzling fireworks displays. The mood in St Petersburg, the Russian capital, was quite different. For the discontented masses in Russia the humiliation was yet another example of the corruption, ineptitude, and inefficiency of the Czarist regime. Mutinies by disgruntled returning veterans helped spark the abortive 1905 Revolution.

For the first time in history, an Asian race had defeated a western power in battle, and the world would never be the same.
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Re: Russo-Japanase war 1904-1905
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2004, 07:18:01 pm »
<--- loves Military history from 1918 to Christ :)


Im rather fond of Linier warfare, and naval warfare with the man O war's From War gallys from ship of the lines, to first real Iron warships like USS Monitor to the battle of Jutland 1916.

after ww2, my intrest in war wanes, Im not big on modern warfare.


*having a grasp of History helps me battle the left, but thats a hot and spicey deal ;)
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Re: Russo-Japanase war 1904-1905
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2004, 07:04:22 am »
Chris SI,

Not interested in history?  I'm a history major (as well as political science).  I haven't yet picked what I will be focusing on, though in all likelihood it will be something involving eastern europe.  Specifically its tenure under Soviet rule and its current developments.  Very interesting area.
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Re: Russo-Japanase war 1904-1905
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2004, 07:05:51 am »
Maybe I'll add more articles, if you guys like them.

I have a large number on my private site to use for this.
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Re: Russo-Japanase war 1904-1905
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2004, 07:27:07 am »
Go for It Chris. alot of people here would enjoy them. Esp. the articles on Various Aircraft.

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Re: Russo-Japanase war 1904-1905
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2004, 09:26:07 am »
I will be adding to that series soon, have to start on the bombers, covered the major fighters.

I have an article to post over there today, I'll post it up soon.
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Re: Russo-Japanase war 1904-1905
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2004, 01:11:01 pm »
As the Russo-Japanese war was something of an outcome of the Sino-Japanese war, does anyone have a link to a good article on the Sino-Japanese war?  Mostly I am interested in how it started and any Japanese justifications for it.

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2004, 05:01:34 pm »
You could read my posted article, since the third paragrapgh covers that.
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2004, 02:20:43 am »
You could read my posted article, since the third paragraph covers that.

Am I missing something?  The third para is mostly about Japan and Russia.  I understand the general reason the Japanese attacked the Chinese was to gain influence in the region.  But I was looking for their specific justification for the attack.  Even in those days most nations had some story about being provoked in some way.

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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2004, 10:49:15 am »
Japan felt Korea belonged to it, going back to the 1600s.

Russia felt that 'little yellow men' should take what crumbs were thrown to it.

Japan had become a major power by 1890, and was having none of Russia, which had been slowly stealing bits of China for decades.

In 1904, the Japanese had enoghof Russia, an arrogant Europan colonial power interfearing in Japan's 'natural sphere of influence,' so Japan sneak attacked the Russia fleet at Port Arthur and the war began.

Japan's animosity towards China was really more a function of the 19th century colonial powers, and as with Russia in a few years, the main bone on contention was Korea.  Korea was the place for this, Japan had the old claim, and a weak China could not hope to defeat Japan, as their claim was only from 1875.

There are a few sites that briefly discuss the first Sino-Japanese war:
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0845361.html
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Sino-Japanese%20War%20(1894-1895)
http://www.timelines.info/history/conflict_and_war/18th_&_19th_century_conflicts/first_sino-japanese_war/
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2004, 03:50:54 pm »
Yes, the Japan/China/Korea triangle.  That is what I was interested in, thank you.

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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2004, 10:31:53 am »
Yes, the Japan/China/Korea triangle.  That is what I was interested in, thank you.


in 2004 the triangle lives on, just now its more high stakes.
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