Topic: OP+ 3.4 - done. (Read 8015 times)

FireSoul · « **on:** August 02, 2004, 06:16:53 pm »

http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163344686.0.html

FPF-AJTK · « **Reply #1 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:20:31 pm »

AWESOME FS!

Course, now I get to dload 52.7 megs on a 56k connection, sigh.

FYI, thats not a knock on you FS, your just doin your underpaid and underappreciated (by some a-holes) job and we luv ya for it, ya lil Lyran bastich!

Im just knocking the Imperial Forces of Sprint? the bastards who wont put DSL in my neck o' da woods.

FireSoul · « **Reply #2 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:23:16 pm »

Quote from: AJTK on August 02, 2004, 06:20:31 pm

AWESOME FS!

Course, now I get to dload 52.7 megs on a 56k connection, sigh.

FYI, thats not a knock on you FS, your just doin your underpaid and underappreciated (by some a-holes) job and we luv ya for it, ya lil Lyran bastich!

Im just knocking the Imperial Forces of Sprint? the bastards who wont put DSL in my neck o' da woods.

It's weeks before GW3.. you have time.

Kroma BaSyl · « **Reply #3 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:25:12 pm »

Hey Jinn......get to work!!!! LOL.

FireSoul · « **Reply #4 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:26:43 pm »

Quote from: Kroma on August 02, 2004, 06:25:12 pm

Hey Jinn......get to work!!!! LOL.

I think it'll be DieHard who'll do all the work, but..
.. you know what?..

.. ... . that''s really not my problem.

FPF-AJTK · « **Reply #5 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:32:25 pm »

Yeah, were getting high speed at work (FINALLY) anytime (the T-1 has been installed for weeks now, just waiting on the MIS pukes from the main office to come plumb in the router, sigh. Told em I could do it but OH NO, gotta have a pointy-headed techno bastard do it. Well, one other than me.

Anyhow, it SHOULD be installed prior to GW3 so I can snarf it there, or goto my GF's house and use her DSL or something. Heh, or do like I did for GW2, and take my 88.G wireless laptop around to the University of Floridas housing area and cruise REALLY slow until I find a sweet, open wifi home network to pirate off of... Use an inverter and Viola` FREE HS and none the wiser.

Hexx · « **Reply #6 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:38:03 pm »

If we move to 3.4 as a base I can burn the model/non model one onto CD's if some of you 56kers need them.

FireSoul · « **Reply #7 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:39:53 pm »

Quote from: Hexx on August 02, 2004, 06:38:03 pm

If we move to 3.4 as a base I can burn the model/non model one onto CD's if some of you 56kers need them.

I have no doubt 3.4 will be used for GW3. The enhanced klingon DN/BB models are a must.

FPF-AJTK · « **Reply #8 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:43:17 pm »

Quote from: Hexx on August 02, 2004, 06:38:03 pm

If we move to 3.4 as a base I can burn the model/non model one onto CD's if some of you 56kers need them.

Hexxiepoo, you'd do that for us? Damn, Im gonna have to think very hard about taking back EVERY bad thing I have ever said, suggested or started a rumor about you.

Mind you, I said Id THINK ABOUT IT VERY HARD, not that I would undo any of it..

Actually Hexx, thats damn decent of you, thanks very much. +1 karma dude!

Anyhow, if your serious, do you want us to mail ya a blank cd or what?

KBFLordKrueg · « **Reply #9 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:45:11 pm »

Quote from: AJTK on August 02, 2004, 06:20:31 pm

AWESOME FS!

Course, now I get to dload 52.7 megs on a 56k connection, sigh.

FYI, thats not a knock on you FS, your just doin your underpaid and underappreciated (by some a-holes) job and we luv ya for it, ya lil Lyran bastich!

Im just knocking the Imperial Forces of Sprint? the bastards who wont put DSL in my neck o' da woods.

Just downloaded it, in just under 9 min. Gotta luv cable...

KAT J'inn · « **Reply #10 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:53:15 pm »

NOT FUNNY!! NOT FUNNY AT ALL!!!

YOU WAITED UNTIL THE DAY AFTER I DID ALL THAT WORK AND OOOOOOOOHHHHH

FireSoul · « **Reply #11 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:53:31 pm »

Quote from: LordKrueg on August 02, 2004, 06:45:11 pm

Quote from: AJTK on August 02, 2004, 06:20:31 pm
AWESOME FS!

Course, now I get to dload 52.7 megs on a 56k connection, sigh.

FYI, thats not a knock on you FS, your just doin your underpaid and underappreciated (by some a-holes) job and we luv ya for it, ya lil Lyran bastich!

Im just knocking the Imperial Forces of Sprint? the bastards who wont put DSL in my neck o' da woods.

Just downloaded it, in just under 9 min. Gotta luv cable...

You should thank Frey.

FPF-AJTK · « **Reply #12 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:54:35 pm »

Quote from: LordKrueg on August 02, 2004, 06:45:11 pm

Quote from: AJTK on August 02, 2004, 06:20:31 pm
AWESOME FS!

Course, now I get to dload 52.7 megs on a 56k connection, sigh.

FYI, thats not a knock on you FS, your just doin your underpaid and underappreciated (by some a-holes) job and we luv ya for it, ya lil Lyran bastich!

Im just knocking the Imperial Forces of Sprint? the bastards who wont put DSL in my neck o' da woods.

Just downloaded it, in just under 9 min. Gotta luv cable...

Nobody likes a smartass bumpy head!

Under 9 mins? Wow, we cant get cable inet OR DSL. I used to have dual isdn prior to the divorce, and it was far superior to dial up, even at 128K up/down, but now? bleh.

FireSoul · « **Reply #13 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:00:03 pm »

Quote from: AJTK on August 02, 2004, 06:54:35 pm

Nobody likes a smartass bumpy head!

Under 9 mins? Wow, we cant get cable inet OR DSL. I used to have dual isdn prior to the divorce, and it was far superior to dial up, even at 128K up/down, but now? bleh.

Why don't you go out.. and take a drive?

KAT J'inn · « **Reply #14 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:01:29 pm »

SNARL!!!

Okay

Die Hard, please send me the shiplist with whatever conversion you do to it done. I'll then go over it AGAIN!! to recheck everything, esp. ship classes, BPVs, and the Hexx Issue.

OOOOOHHH YOU CANADIANS!!!!!

FireSoul · « **Reply #15 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:03:20 pm »

Quote from: J'inn on August 02, 2004, 07:01:29 pm

SNARL!!!

Okay

Die Hard, please send me the shiplist with whatever conversion you do to it done. I'll then go over it AGAIN!! to recheck everything, esp. ship classes, BPVs, and the Hexx Issue.

OOOOOHHH YOU CANADIANS!!!!!

Eh?
.. DH: be sure to send him the whole sha-bang. Everything from Eh to Zed.

Hexx · « **Reply #16 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:04:50 pm »

No worries about CD's
If people want it ust send me yer address and I'll send them out in the next day or two.
(Which means it might be a bit before they show up)
-But if you want the big version, and simply can't DL it just let me know.

Hexx · « **Reply #17 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:06:39 pm »

Quote from: J'inn on August 02, 2004, 07:01:29 pm

SNARL!!!

Okay

Die Hard, please send me the shiplist with whatever conversion you do to it done. I'll then go over it AGAIN!! to recheck everything, esp. ship classes, BPVs, and the Hexx Issue.

OOOOOHHH YOU CANADIANS!!!!!

Hey watch what smilies you use when talking about us Canucks..

Astarte · « **Reply #18 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:11:37 pm »

Quote from: J'inn on August 02, 2004, 07:01:29 pm

SNARL!!!

Okay

Die Hard, please send me the shiplist with whatever conversion you do to it done. I'll then go over it AGAIN!! to recheck everything, esp. ship classes, BPVs, and the Hexx Issue.

OOOOOHHH YOU CANADIANS!!!!!

*goes to the cupboard and pulls out the Cosmic Catnip, dips a brightly coloured ball of yarn in the container and tosses it at J'inn*

That should make it allllll better.

FPF-AJTK · « **Reply #19 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:35:34 pm »

Quote from: Hexx on August 02, 2004, 07:04:50 pm

No worries about CD's
If people want it ust send me yer address and I'll send them out in the next day or two.
(Which means it might be a bit before they show up)
-But if you want the big version, and simply can't DL it just let me know.

Okay Hexx, pm headin yer way! Thanks again...

<mental note> Make SURE to run Norton on the cd prior to install...

Hexx · « **Reply #20 on:** August 02, 2004, 09:31:32 pm »

Quote from: AJTK on August 02, 2004, 07:35:34 pm

Quote from: Hexx on August 02, 2004, 07:04:50 pm
No worries about CD's
If people want it ust send me yer address and I'll send them out in the next day or two.
(Which means it might be a bit before they show up)
-But if you want the big version, and simply can't DL it just let me know.

Okay Hexx, pm headin yer way! Thanks again...

<mental note> Make SURE to run Norton on the cd prior to install...

K downloading it now, should be mailed tomorrow (Tuesday) or more likely Wednesday.
Frickin thing's gonna take me almost 5 minutes to download... can't we get some compression here?

Capt Jeff · « **Reply #21 on:** August 03, 2004, 06:39:40 am »

Firesoul,

is there any difference in model pointers/model folders between 3.3 and 3.4?

I am using my own custom models and would like to just swap out the 3.3 model folder into the 3.4 set up. Is this possible, or has that changed as well?

Thanks

Soreyes · « **Reply #22 on:** August 03, 2004, 06:54:46 am »

Quote from: LordKrueg on August 02, 2004, 06:45:11 pm

Quote from: AJTK on August 02, 2004, 06:20:31 pm
AWESOME FS!

Course, now I get to dload 52.7 megs on a 56k connection, sigh.

FYI, thats not a knock on you FS, your just doin your underpaid and underappreciated (by some a-holes) job and we luv ya for it, ya lil Lyran bastich!

Im just knocking the Imperial Forces of Sprint? the bastards who wont put DSL in my neck o' da woods.

Just downloaded it, in just under 9 min. Gotta luv cable...

9 min.!! What took so long? I downloaded it in about 5 min

DSL? We don't need no stinking DSL!

IAF Lyrkiller · « **Reply #23 on:** August 03, 2004, 07:18:12 am »

and all i have to do is go over to my friendly college library, plug my laptop in and d/l. (possible T-1)

And yes, I too on dial up and hate it w/ a passion.

KBF-KVet · « **Reply #24 on:** August 03, 2004, 07:55:41 am »

Quote from: LordKrueg on August 02, 2004, 06:45:11 pm

Quote from: AJTK on August 02, 2004, 06:20:31 pm
AWESOME FS!

Course, now I get to dload 52.7 megs on a 56k connection, sigh.

FYI, thats not a knock on you FS, your just doin your underpaid and underappreciated (by some a-holes) job and we luv ya for it, ya lil Lyran bastich!

Im just knocking the Imperial Forces of Sprint? the bastards who wont put DSL in my neck o' da woods.

Just downloaded it, in just under 9 min. Gotta luv cable...

4 min, 50 seconds (that's the version WITH models. Hehe

Davey-E · « **Reply #25 on:** August 03, 2004, 10:39:02 am »

10 Mins straight on a 1MB ADSL download

All the way to Blighty tho lol

benbean · « **Reply #26 on:** August 03, 2004, 11:43:41 am »

If anyone in Europe need this sent on a CD I can do what Hexx offered. Just PM a mailing address.

Bonk · « **Reply #27 on:** August 03, 2004, 12:16:26 pm »

It doesn't matter how fast your conection is (unless you're stuck on dial-up), the server is the limiting factor here. On my 5mbit connection OP+ still comes down at ~100KB/s (not bad and certainly nothing to complain about) where the ~650MB QNX 6.3 iso comes down at ~515KB/s. It is the server's capacity, demand and load balancing strategies (or lack of) that makes the difference.

Commander Maxillius · « **Reply #28 on:** August 03, 2004, 01:22:46 pm »

Currently downloading Firesoul's OP+ 3.4. Estimated d/l time:7 hours, 18 minutes(3% completed). This is, of course, Microsoft time, so we all know it'll take over 9 hours.

Hexx · « **Reply #29 on:** August 03, 2004, 01:44:21 pm »

CD's are burned and ready.
I'll be mailing them out Wednesday for all who asked.
Probably send them Express post so you should have them by Monday.

FireSoul · « **Reply #30 on:** August 03, 2004, 02:31:23 pm »

Quote from: Capt Jeff on August 03, 2004, 06:39:40 am

Firesoul,

is there any difference in model pointers/model folders between 3.3 and 3.4?

I am using my own custom models and would like to just swap out the 3.3 model folder into the 3.4 set up. Is this possible, or has that changed as well?

Thanks

There are some differences. I just added this to the site:
http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/models.html#33_34_changes

-- Luc

FPF-AJTK · « **Reply #31 on:** August 03, 2004, 04:49:43 pm »

Quote from: Hexx on August 03, 2004, 01:44:21 pm

CD's are burned and ready.
I'll be mailing them out Wednesday for all who asked.
Probably send them Express post so you should have them by Monday.

ALL HAIL HEXX, the CD GOD!

Dude, express mail? Are you SURE you wont let me compensate ya? Id even send you AMERICAN money!

Thanks very much Hexx, your a GIANT among men. (Feel better?) <snicker>

+1 Karma Everybody else give Hexx a freaking +1 to karma too, he is a Klink, helpin out a Fred.

Vaul · « **Reply #32 on:** August 03, 2004, 05:21:49 pm »

4 hours and 57 minutes later.....

...I'm about ready to throttle NTL. Not only do they not provide cable where I live, but there's a 2 hour time limit on the dialup, after which you have to reconnect.

Thank (insert deity or other object of veneration here) for resumable downloads.

Oh, and it downloaded ok...I miss the academic backbone...

FireSoul · « **Reply #33 on:** August 03, 2004, 05:49:43 pm »

Hi. I'll be quick.

Mirrors wanted.

-- Luc

Vorcha · « **Reply #34 on:** August 03, 2004, 06:04:22 pm »

Nice job mate. All my chums in GSA love your work both for here (D2) and for GSA matches. You're a killer Modder of the nth degree

Your work is appreciated.

V

GDA-Agave · « **Reply #35 on:** August 04, 2004, 12:59:21 am »

Nice job Firesoul.

Problem though. It won't let me install 3.4 until I uninstall 3.3. I don't seem to have a link or anything that will do that on my computer. Am I just missing something or what?

Help!

KBFLordKrueg · « **Reply #36 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:12:56 am »

I just opened up my sfc/assests/specs file and right clicked on the 3.3 shiplist and deleted it, then downloaded the 3.4 list, no problems.

GDA-Agave · « **Reply #37 on:** August 04, 2004, 07:44:31 am »

Thanks for the tip there Krueg, but I finally found the 3.3 uninstall while looking for any copies of the shiplist.

Anyway, all taken care of now.

Agave

FireSoul · « **Reply #38 on:** August 04, 2004, 08:01:30 am »

Quote from: LordKrueg on August 04, 2004, 02:12:56 am

I just opened up my sfc/assests/specs file and right clicked on the 3.3 shiplist and deleted it, then downloaded the 3.4 list, no problems.

Well, it was in the control panel's add/remove program. and in SFC:OP's dir as opplus_uninstall.exe

SSCF-Patterson · « **Reply #39 on:** August 04, 2004, 12:09:19 pm »

Umm, quick question?

What does this What does this file do?

http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/opplus_34_models.exe.torrent
And where does it go?

Strafer · « **Reply #40 on:** August 04, 2004, 12:46:38 pm »

Quote from: SSCF-Patterson on August 04, 2004, 12:09:19 pm

Umm, quick question?

What does this What does this file do?

http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/opplus_34_models.exe.torrent
And where does it go?

That's if you wish to use BitTorrent instead of straight download. It supports auto-resume for those on dial who nonetheless wish to get the models version. Also spreads the bandwidth among the others who are seeding/downloading at the same time.

Nice windows version would be bittornado.

Gook · « **Reply #41 on:** August 04, 2004, 12:55:54 pm »

OK its the dumb ass luddite here again.

I DL'd the ships with models. Made sure I had run uninstall of previous OP+ install. Put the DL in the Taldren folder, ran the app. Ran smooth as abutton as far as I can see.

I haven't tried it on a D2 yet, but in single player skirmish, there are a noticable number of "hang" moments, is this because I'm in single player? Also accessing the space dock brings up the screen with no supplies, hangs for 5 seconds or so then resumes as normal. Approx 3-5 seconds hang time on shields coming up, same with fighter launches and SPs going off, or any significant firing going on.

It's probably something I have done or not done, I'm a bit of a moron at this stuff.

FireSoul · « **Reply #42 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:37:26 pm »

Quote from: Gook on August 04, 2004, 12:55:54 pm

OK its the dumb ass luddite here again.

I DL'd the ships with models. Made sure I had run uninstall of previous OP+ install. Put the DL in the Taldren folder, ran the app. Ran smooth as abutton as far as I can see.

I haven't tried it on a D2 yet, but in single player skirmish, there are a noticable number of "hang" moments, is this because I'm in single player? Also accessing the space dock brings up the screen with no supplies, hangs for 5 seconds or so then resumes as normal. Approx 3-5 seconds hang time on shields coming up, same with fighter launches and SPs going off, or any significant firing going on.

It's probably something I have done or not done, I'm a bit of a moron at this stuff.

1- you don't need to place the DL in the SFC:OP dir.

It reads the SFC Dir's location from the registry
2- hangs? spacedock?
.. weird... you got other stuff running in background?

-- Luc

Gook · « **Reply #43 on:** August 04, 2004, 04:12:39 pm »

No nothing running accept Norton.

FireSoul · « **Reply #44 on:** August 04, 2004, 07:11:57 pm »

Strange. There is no reason for slowdowns at those parts of the game.

*shrug* OP+ is still OP+.. 3.3 worked fine, right? I don't know why 3.4 wouldn't.

Lepton · « **Reply #45 on:** August 05, 2004, 12:50:59 am »

I have a general OP+ question. What is the difference between the + refit and the R refit? Just looking at the fed CL+ (YFA 2268?) and CLR (YFA 2275?), I don't see any difference. The text claims that the R refit is a dronerack refit of some sort but the G rack has no extra capacity between the 2 ships. So, how is a ship 7 years older any better here??

Corbomite · « **Reply #46 on:** August 05, 2004, 01:07:35 am »

The R refit has more reloads for the AI.

Bonk · « **Reply #47 on:** August 05, 2004, 01:21:16 am »

Quote from: Gook on August 04, 2004, 04:12:39 pm

No nothing running accept Norton.

Dump it and see what happens (stop the services).

FireSoul · « **Reply #48 on:** August 05, 2004, 10:00:08 am »

Quote from: Lepton on August 05, 2004, 12:50:59 am

I have a general OP+ question. What is the difference between the + refit and the R refit? Just looking at the fed CL+ (YFA 2268?) and CLR (YFA 2275?), I don't see any difference. The text claims that the R refit is a dronerack refit of some sort but the G rack has no extra capacity between the 2 ships. So, how is a ship 7 years older any better here??

Confirmed. Reloads. Makes no difference for a player..
but for the AI.. .. it really helps the ship to have that 1 more reload: from 8 total drones to 12.

KHH Jakle · « **Reply #49 on:** August 05, 2004, 10:48:57 am »

It also is a plus for GSA campaigns where ships are resticted to stock drone loadout....

FireSoul · « **Reply #50 on:** August 05, 2004, 11:52:23 am »

it may *SOUND* like the 'R' refits are a useless feature, but it's actually pretty handy. It's the general Year 2275 (Y175) refit that all drone-using races get in SFB.

Sometimes, it's just an extra reload, but often it's an actual upgrade from a A-race to a C or B rack. Also, all standalone ADD6s (not those that are there because of the Taldren implementation of the G-rack) tend to become ADD12s.

.. and one other thing..
Know how AIs get fast or slow drones (seemingly randomly) on the D2? Is it based on the shiplist YFA? If that's the case, that pretty much helps the AI get more era-accurate drones for their ships.

-- Luc

SSCF-Patterson · « **Reply #51 on:** August 05, 2004, 01:00:01 pm »

Quote from: Strafer on August 04, 2004, 12:46:38 pm

Quote from: SSCF-Patterson on August 04, 2004, 12:09:19 pm
Umm, quick question?

What does this What does this file do?

http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/opplus_34_models.exe.torrent
And where does it go?

That's if you wish to use BitTorrent instead of straight download. It supports auto-resume for those on dial who nonetheless wish to get the models version. Also spreads the bandwidth among the others who are seeding/downloading at the same time.

Nice windows version would be bittornado.

Ahh didn't know that. Thank you.

FireSoul · « **Reply #52 on:** August 05, 2004, 01:10:58 pm »

While Bittorrent is currently known as one of the favorite ways to distribute warez across the 'Net, it's also use very legitimately by many organizations who are making various downloads available.

Here are some of its advantages:
1- a downloader also uploads, even while the file is not finished downloading.
2- The more you upload, the more you recieve from peers downloading.
3- Once you finished downloading, you can help everyone by letting the client running, letting other people download. Your bandwidth is added to the host's.
4- it works only on the specified files, and is not like other P2P apps where you pre-designate a download/upload share dir.
5- the files are CRCd. The torrent is CRCd. It is impossible to pretend to upload something that isn't the real content without the CRC check failing. For that to happen, you have fetched a file that was compromised at the source. Since the source is ME, it helps!

So!
If your buddy needs OP+3.4.. and he's complaining it's slow, hop on with the torrent and point to your completed file. You become a 'seed' and start making yourself available too, as a source for the duration. Your bandwidth is added to the server where I am hosting this file and things go faster.

Feel free to help out.

-- Luc

Lepton · « **Reply #53 on:** August 05, 2004, 01:20:37 pm »

Quote from: FireSoul on August 05, 2004, 10:00:08 am

Quote from: Lepton on August 05, 2004, 12:50:59 am
I have a general OP+ question. What is the difference between the + refit and the R refit? Just looking at the fed CL+ (YFA 2268?) and CLR (YFA 2275?), I don't see any difference. The text claims that the R refit is a dronerack refit of some sort but the G rack has no extra capacity between the 2 ships. So, how is a ship 7 years older any better here??

Confirmed. Reloads. Makes no difference for a player..
but for the AI.. .. it really helps the ship to have that 1 more reload: from 8 total drones to 12.

You'll have to excuse my ignorance or not, but why doesn't the player get more or less reloads? I am sure I don't know how these things work. This what I saw. I bought the CL+, 12 drones. I bought the CLR, 12 drones. It seems the CL+ should have less drones available to the player if the R refit for this ship is actually a refit. Is it not possible to restrict the player to 8 drones for the CL+? Just curious.

FireSoul · « **Reply #54 on:** August 05, 2004, 01:23:19 pm »

Quote from: Lepton on August 05, 2004, 01:20:37 pm

You'll have to excuse my ignorance or not, but why doesn't the player get more or less reloads? I am sure I don't know how these things work. This what I saw. I bought the CL+, 12 drones. I bought the CLR, 12 drones. It seems the CL+ should have less drones available to the player if the R refit for this ship is actually a refit. Is it not possible to restrict the player to 8 drones for the CL+? Just curious.

It is not. Buggy API sets the # of drones to *1* if you try to change the number of drones. This was never fixed: fixing the API would have meant a 20+mb patch with all the missions recompiled. Also, all player missions would likely have had to be recompiled as well to be compatible to the game, again.

Strafer · « **Reply #55 on:** August 05, 2004, 05:17:05 pm »

If on the other hand you happen to fly something like a Battlefest where you are generated a ship instead of having one chosen out of spacedock, I do believe the drone loadout will be respected.

FireSoul · « **Reply #56 on:** August 05, 2004, 07:50:38 pm »

Quote from: Strafer on August 05, 2004, 05:17:05 pm

If on the other hand you happen to fly something like a Battlefest where you are generated a ship instead of having one chosen out of spacedock, I do believe the drone loadout will be respected.

Indeed, and good point. Thanks Yves.

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