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Did you like it or no?

Have played SFB, it was ok
Have Played SFB, it blows
Have Played SFB, liked it
Have Played SFB, loevd it
I play SFB, i like it
I play SFB, its ok
I play SFB, I love it

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Just curious since the Whole SFC3 vs. SFC2:OP seems to have resurfaced.

Persoanlly ive beenplaying it for 25 years and i love it, so thats one vote ;)
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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2004, 08:16:33 am »
I've bought tons of books for reading material but have not played the game in years.
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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2004, 08:20:41 am »
I tend to buy everything (Steven cole must love me). But i still remeber that little "Game in a Bag" i bought back in 1980 ;)
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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2004, 11:18:15 am »
Never played....started collecting SFB material after getting SFC1.

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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2004, 11:34:36 am »
I haven't had any one to play against for a while...

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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2004, 04:36:46 pm »
Has been a couple of months since I had the chance to play- RL being bad with my steady partner, but I have a few friends that I think I can seduce to the dark side!
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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2004, 05:31:19 pm »
*facepalms*

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Hmm...delivery, pizza, booze...Might not be too bad actually..Just as long as they quiet down enough for my son to sleep.

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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2004, 05:37:41 pm »
Hmmm.... needs an option for never playing it
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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2004, 06:08:16 pm »
Started playing back in the late-late 70's.  Loved it then; still love it now.  (Only now, the rules book is just so much *bigger*)

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2004, 06:59:36 pm »
If only EVERYTHING got bigger with age, eh Bruce? ;)
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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2004, 07:00:45 pm »
Played it from the start only thing I dont have left from the start is the orginal rule book or the baggie update books, but I still got the box. I was stupid and got rid of them when Commaders edition came out. But ive kept everything else sence then.

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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2004, 08:31:39 pm »
I played and liked it.I just don't have the time anymore to play the game.. thats why I'm here.  ;D

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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2004, 10:19:59 am »
Just curious since the Whole SFC3 vs. SFC2:OP seems to have resurfaced.

Persoanlly ive beenplaying it for 25 years and i love it, so thats one vote ;)

Played a lot in the 80's.  Play some today.  Same friends still get together but not as often due to family demands.  I still read the manuals and keep everything up to date.  Wish I had more time to play.  Hopefully in about 10 years my infant son will play me. ;D

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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2004, 01:35:15 pm »
I started playing it in the early 80's and still have huge amounts of materials for it, including over 150 miniatures, Most of them the original Starline 2300 series. But, in the past 10 years of so have played it very little. The immense amount of rules, not to mention the time involved in playing even a small game makes it diifucult to find (and keep) players. I still collect some of the technical materials, although not like I used to.
When I first spotted SCF1 on the store shelves it was like finding the Holy Grail to me. I bought the game on the spot, then bought my first computer 3 days later! My wife thought I was completely nuts!
I have competed in 3 "Rated Ace" tourneys, but, best I did was placing 3rd.  :-\ These days the only chance I play is once a year at a local annual gaming convention. I ususally wind up running the game myself (I am an Official Santioned GameMaster through ABD), since having someone with the needed materials seems to be rare around the area. Today, the minis sit packed carefully in foam lined boxes and I have 3 large plastic containers full of SSDs, books other text items. About 5 yrs ago came very close to selling the whole lot to someone who offered me $500. (again my wife thought I was nuts!)
I love the game, but, the advent of the computer game has vastly speeded up game play and, IMO is prefferable to the long set-up time and time needed to actually complete a single board game.
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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2004, 05:06:18 pm »
Needs one more option..."have not played, would like to play, but does not know where to get started"

Having read LordKrueg's post, I suspect I may not have the time...unless you can leave it set up and go back to it whenever time permits
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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2004, 05:07:58 pm »
...unless you can leave it set up and go back to it whenever time permits

Barring the random act of a Furry Feline Space Monster rampage on the map, sure.
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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2004, 05:11:15 pm »
...unless you can leave it set up and go back to it whenever time permits

Barring the random act of a Furry Feline Space Monster rampage on the map, sure.

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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2004, 05:30:01 pm »
...unless you can leave it set up and go back to it whenever time permits

Barring the random act of a Furry Feline Space Monster rampage on the map, sure.

LOL!  I've never had that destroy a game of SFB.  Virtally all my games are completed in one sitting.

However!  On more than one occaision, months of F&E playing has been lost to the sudden pounce of the cat who decides all those stacks of counters look like sooooooo much fun.  (The Klingon Deep Space Fleet was never really that vulnerable to felines, was it??!!)

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« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2004, 07:03:28 pm »
I stumbled on to SFB quite by accident.  I was with some friends doing some panzerbleader (hybrid panzerblitz/panzerleader + arty rules from Arab-Israeli wars and some other "house rules".  I was introduced to a friend who first introduced me to the concept and I was somewhat intrigued.  But never got a chance to play a game w/ him.  By a strange twist of fate, one of my RPG players met someone local who played and had a large group of players.  He played several games, got the bug and bought the baggie.

A couple of weeks later, two of the players in our RPG group called at the last minute and couldn't play.  My friend decided to introduce us to SFB...I got my butt handed to me the first CA vs D7 battle, but I was instantly hooked. The next day, went down to hobby store and picked up the baggie, and have never looked back.  I eventually was able to defeat my friend and as the expansion baggies were released, we saved our lunch money and stuff because it was the #1 thing we wanted to spend our hard earned disposable income on in the whole wide world.

Eventually I found myself gravitating toward a preference for the Romulans.  Call synergy, fate, whatever, It has been that way since.  Perhaps it was because few in the group could play Romulan with the finesse required to be successful. Time passed, commanders edition, SSD books, Federation Space Released, Federation and Empire released (bought it the day it was on the shelf, got there before the store had opened and waited) and there was a gaming con in town, complete with sanctioned tourney.

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I have had the opportunity as a member of the armed forces, to introduce SFB to many gamers and non-gamers alike (though the non-gamers the rules are "abbreviated")  If I had more time now, and SFC was not in existence, I probably would play it more than once every year or so.  Though about a year or so ago, I did get it out to work on some manner of tweak for the plasma when the matter was being discussed for play balance in SFC.  While it was out of the box, I had some fun though with an old friend.  Won a couple, lost a couple.  As for play balance work for SFC, IIRC I had worked out a sliding scale of adjusting Plasma Torpedo Range Brackets as compensation for the Real Time nature of SFC, doubled internals, and other factors that vary from Canon SFB. The idea was quickly dropped due to inherent unbalancing such a solution would be against static targets such as bases and planets.  It did look good on paper, and the dozen or so hours spent moving cardboard was time well spent at least.

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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2004, 12:17:55 am »
Been a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time since I played SFB, but I loved it.

I can remember modifing SSDs with wihteout, and sneaking into the copy room at work to run off a Federation CA+ or a Klingon D-7D!

I actually still have the recurser to F&E, called "Federation Space," as well as F&E.

I can remember making up fleet lists, creating names for all the ships, and playing massive campaigns...

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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2004, 02:28:57 am »
Needs one more option..."have not played, would like to play, but does not know where to get started"

Having read LordKrueg's post, I suspect I may not have the time...unless you can leave it set up and go back to it whenever time permits

Yeah, back in "the good ole days" (before multiple children  ::) ) I could do that, it did help greatly for the larger games. A duel between 2 ships might take a little as 1/2 hr to resolve.
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2004, 02:49:34 am »
I discovered SFB when I was a young teenager.  I use to buy and collect comic books, but the book store I went to all the time started carring SFB Material.  I originally was a huge Star Trek fan before, but I had no idea what SFB was.  So I did a little research and asked a few people that asked the Book store why they liked SFB. 

I kept buying SFB materal over the years, but unfortunetly their are hardly any players in the part of the country I live and the rules of SFB are pretty complex for the average person, so getting players to play with locally was next to impossible. 

Anyway, I loved SFB, and still do today, but my favorite game of all time from Taskforce Games was Starfire.  Buy far easier to play with then SFB and much more customizable. 
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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2004, 03:08:33 am »
I liked Starfire a lot myself. It was much more streamlined for fleet play and tactical and strategic was all rolled into one. Babylon 5 always made me think of Starfire. Oh yes, for those that would like to have a system worked out for it, ramming is allowed. :D
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2004, 03:22:10 am »
Played and playtested SFB way back when.  

Still remember seeing the old Task Force Games #4 in a plastic ziplock bag at the hobby store and purchasing it for $5.00, then after a quick look giving S'Cipio a phone call to tell him what I had found.

Lost interest later with the advent of the X-ships and discovering Role-Playing games untill S"Cipio and Agave introduced me to SFC.

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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2004, 03:26:59 am »
Started playing back in the late-late 70's.  Loved it then; still love it now.  (Only now, the rules book is just so much *bigger*)

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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2004, 07:27:30 pm »
For those that wish they could play SFB but can't because they can't find an opponent, SFB online can be subscribed to for something like 40$ for a year. The first editions of the game only allowed tournament ships, but this is no longer true; basically, if it's in the game, it's in SFB online. As for the F&E players, I have a cyberboard advanced ops gameboard for it if anyone wants it. If there's enough people maybe we should get a game going...

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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2004, 09:45:49 pm »
I started back in '79 or so (too many beers)...collected a lot as mid shifts at Hill AFB in Utah are boring...played until '85 or so, when interest dropped off (base reassignments, etc..)..stll have the stuff, but have just been having fun on the computer..no fights over where the damage gets assessed..


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« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2004, 10:20:14 pm »
Used to play it from around 1979 to 1985 or so. Loved it. Then I moved and had no friends to play the game with. Waited about twenty years constantly checking with game companies knowing that SFC would happen some day. I actually had a VERY basic Star Trek combat game on my 64k Franklin PC (IBM compatible) in about '82 or so that had only movement, direction, shield reinforcement and firing orders with number of ships in the engagement as a user defined variable. I have no idea who made it, but it was a lot of fun for the time.

Was walking through a Target store with my wife (I have this theory that you can tell a lot about where a society is going by the games it promotes and was talking to my wife about this as I walked through the toys) when I saw SFC1 on the shelf. My wife thought I had lost my mind. I told her I had been waiting twenty years for the game, she smiled and said something along the lines of, "that's nice dear" and I never looked back.

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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2004, 04:08:09 pm »
I played it some when I was a kid. My cousin introduced myself and my brother to the game and we played a number of times. I remember setting up a game with four maps on a pool table. Each of us had ten ships. That game took forever and I don't really think we actually finished it.

As a side note, my brother, S'Raek, and a friend came up with the cloaked decoy for the romulans that was published in the third installment of the Commander's edition rulebook.

I don't remember if it was my brother that told me about SFC or if I saw it first. Anyway, I waited for the demo to come out and that hooked me. I even put my name in the hat when SFC2 needed testers.
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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2004, 04:58:44 pm »
I played alot in the 80s.

I played a bit less as the updates went more and more drone/fighter crazy and all the ships were too so well play balanced. Same warp. same batteries. Same weapons.

The big drone / plasma battles were fun, but were basically too time consuming. Especially if you started using "special" or "double space" drones in the mix.

SFC revitalized my interests. Especially with the cool models. Now I fly my Larsons, Saladins, and Suryas every night. Still tend towards the older (pre general war) ships.

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« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2004, 11:01:38 pm »
I played alot in the 80s.

I played a bit less as the updates went more and more drone/fighter crazy and all the ships were too so well play balanced. Same warp. same batteries. Same weapons.

The big drone / plasma battles were fun, but were basically too time consuming. Especially if you started using "special" or "double space" drones in the mix.

SFC revitalized my interests. Especially with the cool models. Now I fly my Larsons, Saladins, and Suryas every night. Still tend towards the older (pre general war) ships.


I know exactly what you mean. That's one of the reasons (besides the tactics) that I really love playing Andros. (don't have to push all of those little counters all over the board). It's also another reason I enjoy SFC, or the whole idea of having SFB on my PC. I don't mind the EA, selecting drones (specialty etc...), or other intricatsies. (I really love the Impulse activity chart). Keeping track of a jillion counters is the pain in the arse for me.
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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2004, 01:37:45 pm »
I haven't actually played SFB in about 14 years...but I really enjoyed it.  I have repurchased most of the current materials as source data for SFC pursuits as well as just to have because I loved the game so much.  I'm so totally out of practice with actually playing the game that it would almost be like starting over...


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« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2004, 01:40:01 pm »
Started playing back in the late-late 70's.  Loved it then; still love it now.  (Only now, the rules book is just so much *bigger*)

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Man..I hear that.  I started playing in the early 80's and bought all three volumes of the boxed set and all the SSD modules..some of the Captain's Logs, etc.  My pile of "new" stuff seems larger...more complicated...heheheh.


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« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2004, 01:50:53 pm »
I'm an avid player still and have been one since 1984.  I hadn't played for a while then was talking about it with my D&D group.  It turned out that all but two of us used to play it.  We immediately started back up and one of them learned.  We now have a group of eight regulars who play once a week.

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Re: Who has played or continues to play Star Fleet Battles (Board Game)
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2004, 02:24:24 pm »
Man, operation Unity.

If only SFC OP let us play campaigns like that!
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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2004, 04:07:30 pm »
I've got a basic set.......... and downloaded the demo online game. The $40 a year has to wait... yeah, that's pitiful.  :-[ I've even thought of trying to talk my non-gaming wife into it....
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« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2004, 09:48:53 pm »
Inherited the game in a bag SFB from my Dad along w/ Expansions 1-3, the carrier expansion, and the commander's rulebook.  Only found 1 person who was willing to play that game with me

Later when Doomsday came out I bought the basic, advanced rule books, C1-C3, and battleships

It's some good reading all on itself, I loved reading the ship biographies.  It's sitting on my bookshelf next to me gathering dust.. I might have to relearn the game and play a few battles. 

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« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2004, 12:12:43 am »
There are players out there. Trust me!

If you have a table top gaming club in the vicinity and the members who aren't just teenage WarHammer players, then you have potential SFB players. You just have to drag your shaggy butt along and announce yourself. I found that there are often a couple of others there who used to play but ran out of opponents too.

And it sure beats stupid arguements about commando ships fighting AI.

Not sure I can be bothered, but as you are the Doc, can you run an AI standard patrol in 2 minutes in a KRC? If so, there is no problem and I am utterly wrong. If you cannot, then the KRC is a worse ship for AI missions than ones I know can.

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« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2004, 03:13:29 pm »
Hmm, my parents think said on their last visit I should do something more than spend so much time on the computer!  I think perhaps I'll go play a game of SFB today with my sis...make her play the Klingons!  Fits her attitude.

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« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2004, 03:42:04 pm »

And it sure beats stupid arguements about commando ships fighting AI.

I just noticed how brilliant this satement is.   Anyone else notice that 90% of the D2 balance issues wouldn't exist if the AI weren't so frucking stupid?

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« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2004, 04:00:39 pm »
There are players out there. Trust me!

If you have a table top gaming club in the vicinity and the members who aren't just teenage WarHammer players, then you have potential SFB players. You just have to drag your shaggy butt along and announce yourself. I found that there are often a couple of others there who used to play but ran out of opponents too.

And it sure beats stupid arguements about commando ships fighting AI.

I play Warhammer!  Does this mean I must stop playing SFB?
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« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2004, 05:25:48 pm »
Only if you try and play them both at the same time.

Not sure I can be bothered, but as you are the Doc, can you run an AI standard patrol in 2 minutes in a KRC? If so, there is no problem and I am utterly wrong. If you cannot, then the KRC is a worse ship for AI missions than ones I know can.

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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2004, 12:59:50 am »
Only if you try and play them both at the same time.

I must suck...I just got me rear beat around the universe and back in SFB...Perhaps I should buy some Federation models and try them instead...

Hmm, Warhammer and SFB...now that's a thought I hadn't thought of before.  Use boarding parties and resolve it using Warhammer 40k rules...could be interesting...

I wonder what the Feds would do if they encountered Chaos?

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Come to think of it, I don't know the rules to large ship combat for WH40k, now you have me thinking, I wonder if SFB could be used in that context?  Interesting idea...

Anyways, won't hijack the thread on it hopefully.

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« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2004, 02:18:05 am »
They already have a large scale Naval Combat system for WH40k, it's called Battle Fleet Gothic IIRC
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« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2004, 02:47:22 am »
They already have a large scale Naval Combat system for WH40k, it's called Battle Fleet Gothic IIRC

Ah, never played that one...explains a lot though.

How is it in comparison to SFB?
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« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2004, 09:26:45 am »
I have not played SFB in 15 or so years, should still have all my materials in the garage if my wife has not "recycled" them. Loved playing it, just had a hard time finding anyone to play with. Sounds like there have been quite a few changes. Is there a place where I can get the executive summary of the changes? All these new races, and I assume weapons. I have also heard some think the races have become more generic in ship capabilities. I am just confused ??? I dropped out shortly after the ISC appeared.

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Not sure I can be bothered, but as you are the Doc, can you run an AI standard patrol in 2 minutes in a KRC? If so, there is no problem and I am utterly wrong. If you cannot, then the KRC is a worse ship for AI missions than ones I know can.

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« Reply #47 on: August 19, 2004, 07:26:49 pm »
And a question for the players, do you prefer plotted or free movement?

Not sure I can be bothered, but as you are the Doc, can you run an AI standard patrol in 2 minutes in a KRC? If so, there is no problem and I am utterly wrong. If you cannot, then the KRC is a worse ship for AI missions than ones I know can.

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« Reply #48 on: August 19, 2004, 07:45:24 pm »
And a question for the players, do you prefer plotted or free movement?

While I appreciate the theory behind plotted movement (things would be happening too fast for you to make the instant course corrections that free movement allows) I feel that it detracts from maneuvering and speed change tactics and helps the weaker player. In fleet battles it's just a freakin accounting nightmare. Just my oppinion. I never really played it (plotted movement) very much though. Maybe it requires more skill than I'm allowing it.

So, free movement.
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« Reply #49 on: August 19, 2004, 08:39:01 pm »
And a question for the players, do you prefer plotted or free movement?

While I appreciate the theory behind plotted movement (things would be happening too fast for you to make the instant course corrections that free movement allows)

Considering the course corrections that you can make in double-time (Speed 8) this theory doesn't hold water.
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« Reply #50 on: August 19, 2004, 10:23:21 pm »
I should mention that I learnt to play with plotted movement and subconsciously blotted out the section of the rules on free movement until I found other players from outside my group who only used free movement. I had this mindset that plotted movement was just the way it was, and had not considered the merit's or otherwise of free movement. Currently I think that (full) plotted movement adds to the character of SFB.

Not sure I can be bothered, but as you are the Doc, can you run an AI standard patrol in 2 minutes in a KRC? If so, there is no problem and I am utterly wrong. If you cannot, then the KRC is a worse ship for AI missions than ones I know can.

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« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2004, 12:31:15 am »
And a question for the players, do you prefer plotted or free movement?

I prefer free movement.  However plotted is interesting to try from time to time; it completely changes the flow of the game.

I used to do plotted movement when I played by mail.  The mechanics of that system just required plotted movement.

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« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2004, 01:50:50 am »
Thankfully the default system has gone to free movement.  I always found the plotted movement made it more of a guess. One misguess could loose a game and waste a lot of time.  Free movement makes the game go faster and isn't it long enough anyway.
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« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2004, 02:21:11 pm »
I play BFG, and it's FAR more simplified than SFB (cruisers have either 6 or 8 hit points, escorts only have 1, no shield arcs, hardly any range-dependant shooting or damage - the weapon batteries use a gunnery table depending on what way the enemy ship is facing, with column shifts for stuff like blast markers, being at a certain range, ehe effects of a holofield etc - and VERY different movement and tactics depending on your fleet (Imperials, Tau - whose resin ships from Forgeworld look a lot like the ISC ships in SFC2 - etc move like sailing ships, Eldar ships have a double move and can turn on a pin, Necron ships can manouvre at high speeds and generally scare the heebie-jeebies out of their opponents and so forth) but it's also FAR less trouble to play a fleet engagement with the rules and unlike SFB or F&E I have had harrdly any problem finding opponents.

I'd love to see the BFG game engine as a basis for Star Fleet Action, but SPecialist Games and ADB could end up being rather too jealous of each other's systems too let that happen...

Oh, and I have F&E (and will get ISC war) and have yet to play either it or SFB against anyone (I have seen very few converts to the game my age - I'm 24 - and nobody in Ireland seems to take ADB or TOS stuff seriously at all, hell even I would rather have the movie-era ships in a tabletop game than the TOS stuff, I think the old designs aren't so great but that's more of a personal taste thing)

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« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2004, 05:04:01 pm »
for those who have sfb books can you give me the spec of fed frigate, destroyer, light cruiser, x-ship and if you have anything on starbase space station and other stuff like that, i only want the spec for the ship  for my eaw spec so i will have more accurate info for the ship, i don't know the name/class of the ship so just tell me what you have, beside the saladin class for the destroyer.

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« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2004, 11:55:23 pm »
I played w/ a school buddy of mine and really got into it. now it is very hard to find the time to play anymore.

and not too many players left in the Dallas area. :'(




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« Reply #56 on: October 13, 2004, 12:16:39 am »
I played w/ a school buddy of mine and really got into it. now it is very hard to find the time to play anymore.

and not too many players left in the Dallas area. :'(

I live in Wills Point and work in Mesquite. Maybe sometime we could get together? I'd love to have a game or two. :)
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« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2004, 03:01:56 pm »
Needs one more option..."have not played, would like to play, but does not know where to get started"

If you installed OP with the standard install you already have what you need to get started... go to the folder where you installed SFC:OP ("C:\Program Files\Taldren Software Inc\Starfleet Command Orion Pirates\") and look in the SFB folder.  Print the PDFs for the cadet rules, SSD's and counters.  The Cadet scenarios take you from the ground up to where you should be able to manage a CA vs. CA duel.

The pray to whatever gods you worship to deliver you an opponent.....

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