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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2004, 03:21:21 am »
Thats why we... well not all of us... but aurora... loves you so much! :)
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2004, 04:40:02 am »
I don't understand.

I would bet that the ones posting here had nothing to do with the situation, therefore don't know anything about it and don't care.

That is too cool.

Just like Rod ONeal suggested, the parties involved need to talk about it.  That is the reason for this discussion.  What more do you want?

This not aimed at one person in particular.  It is not bovine fodder to make upset you, unless you are easily controlled by what people say.

Basically, Nanner must have felt the need to open this topic to deal with some issues he, and others, have experienced. 

It is strange, the guy wanted a little reassurance, and he gets another slap just like the last time.

Why is it so bad to be able to talk on a forum?  Did he call names?  Was he rude?  If you are not involved, then why are you being controlled by this?
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2004, 05:30:06 am »
Ok after looking through several threads here repeatedly I have come to a few conclusions.

First let me state my point of view in general.

I stay mostly on the SFC2.net Forums and the D2 section of these forums occasionally venturing into the SFC general and the models forums when I'm bored or I hear something interesting is going on.

I have always been a supporter of the idea of a community of friends playing a game we all like and existing in relative harmony.  Some disputes over what are the best server settings, shiplist, etc are to be expected as well as the occasional player issue but all could and should be handled in a courteous manner.

I tend to stay away from any Flame zones for the most part as I see them as serving a role for some peoples enjoyment but don't normally visit them or even subscribe to them, yet they require permission being requested to view them so anything you see there that you don't like is your own responsibility in my view.

I don't look down on any individuals for playing a different game be it SFC3, Quake, Chess, or Pin the tail on the donkey.  When SFC3 first came out I admit I was severly disappointed in the game and have yet to bring myself to reinstall or patch it despite assurances from many friends that it is almost an entirely different game now due to the tireless efforts of many whom I applaud. 

At that time I know for a fact that I made some post that were not flattering of SFC3 "101 uses for the SFC disc"  being the main one where I mentioned using it as a candle holder and encouraged others to add their own ideas.  Yet even then it wasn't my intent to belittle the players of that game just to poke fun at the poor quality of the game I just paid for and was unsatisfied with.  I believe I also did express concern with losing D2 players to it at that time trying to persuade them to come back to the D2 and join in a campaign there as D2 numbers of players on servers dwindled in excitement of having the D3 up.  Most have since returned to the D2 (some who play both games) but some remain strictly D3 preferring it.

Now I consider that all past history and I have no disregard for the game or those who play it, the later of which I never had.

What does bother me coming from the D3 is two-fold:



First,

the accusations of D3ers being unwelcome.  This might have been evidenced by some when the game first arrived as they feared for the dwindling numbers of the D2, but is no longer the case IMHO with the overwhelming number of D2 players.  I think any other statements to the contrary are in error at present whether or not they held weight in the past.



Secondly,

the division that has taken place among the D3 community spilling over into the D2.  The hostility, and name calling has made many uncomfortable with the current state of affairs.  Drama Queens and grudge holders on both sides have achieved little that is productive and much which can be considered damaging. 



The need is to discuss things upfront and reasonably, let the admins do there job and keep things in order, but let the players make their job easier by minding their manners and watching their wording, perhaps even taking a "Cleavenesque" (invented a new word there  ;D)  approach which although irritating at times forces posters to define their terms and stay on target rather than wander around with generalizations and flaming. 

Once a dialogue between player has matured a bit a few funny shots at each other can be done without serious damage and the minor damage cleared up rather easily for the most part. 




I can think of a recent example of a misunderstanding between myself and Kroma, we discussed it with a minor amount of heat, started folling each others true intent a bit better, and realized that it was basically nothing to worry about and continued with our friendship and mutual respect (except in terms of fashion  ;)). 

It really wasn't a difficult thing to do because we had established a respect already, were willing to hear each other out, we looked for reconcilliation over flaming, we used civil discussions, and we both just wanted to have fun playing the game which we both find more enjoyable with the other party's presence.




Now there are some people who persist in continually getting involved in these disputes.  If allowed to continue sowing discord they will either be shunned by the community in general and ignored and leave once they realize this or become such a problem and/or so rude as to recieve warnings, timeouts, and finally bannings.


It is a tough decision for forum admins to make, but one they must.  Errors may happen, even admins are human and can lose it occasionally.  In these cases it should fall upon those who remain to raise the issue and ask for reinstatement of those banned.  If enough of the respected members of the community do this, the admins will take note and make appropriate redress. 

If, however there is not a strong opposition to a banning from such forum members, then the admins probably chose the correct actions.  I might suggest a list be posted somewhere preferably in a new sub forum listing those banned the reasoning that part locked, and a place for posting pleas for consideration of reinstatement.

Well there are my thoughts and even a suggestion stuck in there.

My 2 cents stretched a bit further than usual this time so apologies for such a long post.

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2004, 08:48:36 am »
Well Poop! Folks trust me, running gun fights just ain't worth it. Better to just play and and say little. Even I am beginning to find that out.

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2004, 10:08:52 am »
Well Poop! Folks trust me, running gun fights just ain't worth it. Better to just play and and say little. Even I am beginning to find that out.

Hooch, former flame warrior, clean and sober 9 days.  :-X


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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2004, 10:20:29 am »
I've asked only one thing.  I don't want posters here resorting to the level I have seen lately.  I know there have been inciters, whose sole purpose has been to get you all angry and to respond in kind.  Well, though understandable it's not right, nor acceptable.  I'd prefer to see responses which showed we were not like them.  We have to set the standard and be different, qualitatively better people than those who incite, prevaricate, spread false rumor and innuendo and outright lie.

So to all of you posting here, you are all people I like and respect.  Please help us maintain the high road no matter what mud is slung.  In the end it is part of life and it makes us more worthy, something I'd like to always feel towards you all.

I am not against opinion.  What I am against is the things I mention above.  I am not fooled, and the community shouldn't be either.  The opponent, so to speak, is jealous, deceptive, dissembling, out to discredit, to turn the D3 community against us, to cause endless discord, all for their own benefit.  We cannot allow that, but equally, we better not become them in any way.

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2004, 10:22:45 am »
I've asked only one thing.  I don't want posters here resorting to the level I have seen lately.  I know there have been inciters, whose sole purpose has been to get you all angry and to respond in kind.  Well, though understandable it's not right, nor acceptable.  I'd prefer to see responses which showed we were not like them.  We have to set the standard and be different, qualitatively better people than those who incite, prevaricate, spread false rumor and innuendo and outright lie.

So to all of you posting here, you are all people I like and respect.  Please help us maintain the high road no matter what mud is slung.  In the end it is part of life and it makes us more worthy, something I'd like to always feel towards you all.

I am not against opinion.  What I am against is the things I mention above.  I am not fooled, and the community shouldn't be either.  The opponent, so to speak, is jealous, deceptive, dissembling, out to discredit, to turn the D3 community against us, to cause endless discord, all for their own benefit.  We cannot allow that, but equally, we better not become them in any way.


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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2004, 01:46:59 pm »
*invites everyone over for tea and crumpets*


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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2004, 05:45:15 pm »
*invites everyone over for tea and crumpets*




What the hell is a crumpet?  What makes it different from a roll, or a pastry, or biscuit?

(Figured we could shoot for a "most hijackings in a thread record" too ;) )

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2004, 07:45:49 pm »
Yummy!  Thank you Astarte.  Would that be with clotted lemon cream curd please?

*invites everyone over for tea and crumpets*



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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2004, 08:09:20 pm »
I don't understand.

I would bet that the ones posting here had nothing to do with the situation, therefore don't know anything about it and don't care.

That is too cool.

Just like Rod ONeal suggested, the parties involved need to talk about it.  That is the reason for this discussion.  What more do you want?

This not aimed at one person in particular.  It is not bovine fodder to make upset you, unless you are easily controlled by what people say.

Basically, Nanner must have felt the need to open this topic to deal with some issues he, and others, have experienced. 

It is strange, the guy wanted a little reassurance, and he gets another slap just like the last time.

Why is it so bad to be able to talk on a forum?  Did he call names?  Was he rude?  If you are not involved, then why are you being controlled by this?


I have observed a hijacking, several in fact, but if Nanner has been slapped then I missed that.  Nanner brought this issue up in the most visible board there is and put no qualifiers on it, 'for those of you involved you know who you are' or something like that.  So it becomes an issue/question for everyone here.

If this really was an issue involving only a few people then I wish someone would clearly state that at the head of a new thread.  If it is a public issue then I wish more specifics would be brought out.

Right now with WT, UNITY, STGD, 11th Fleet there is just a whole bunch of noise in the air.  I think Nanner needs to be real specific about what/who the problem is.  So far the discussion has been too generic in nature with no specific present day instances cited.  I think most of the SFC2 people here remain confused but would like to know what is going on.  If there is a real problem with bad behaviour then I think they want to know.  If the problem is internal to SFC3 folk then I think the SFC2 people don't care.

Right now WT and STGD have stirred up a hornets nest.  This activity has nothing really to do with SFC3 as a game or with the SFC3 player base.
BUT.  Because of certain shenanigans at SFC2.net and elsewhere the SFC2 player base is a little bit ill disposed toward the internal politics of SFC3 right now.  This has muddied the waters and makes the requirement for specificity in any SFC3 discussion all the more urgent.

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2004, 08:58:11 pm »
*invites everyone over for tea and crumpets*




Hmm I'll take the tea.. and  some steak biscuits smothered in  gravy.. with  two eggs over easy  a side of bacon and some grits.. gotta love the grits man..  topped off with real butter, none of the  corn oil crap they  call butter..

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2004, 12:56:25 am »
Yummy!  Thank you Astarte.  Would that be with clotted lemon cream curd please?

*invites everyone over for tea and crumpets*






Lemon creme curd yucky poo!   Now that miniture doogy looks like it would be tasty............

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2004, 10:56:55 am »
Anyone else read the title thread and see who the author is,grab thier nose and run?
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2004, 12:50:57 pm »
Anyone else read the title thread and see who the author is,grab thier nose and run?
Now, now Blade.  Likker CAN control himself IF he wants.  The question is...  Does he?  Easter/Astarte/Ashtaroth/Ishtar seems like a very nice Lady but I bet she keeps a big broom in the closet for troublemakers at the table.  Anyone with that  name linneage is not to be trifled with.

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2004, 01:00:56 pm »
I was making a joke,perhaps it went a wee bit over your head?
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2004, 01:04:29 pm »
And perhaps Byzantine's response did the same to you, Blade  :P
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2004, 01:06:11 pm »
And perhaps Byzantine's response did the same to you, Blade  :P


Ya I would not bet on it,getting old ya know ;D
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2004, 02:43:39 pm »
Anyone else read the title thread and see who the author is,grab thier nose and run?
Now, now Blade.  Likker CAN control himself IF he wants.  The question is...  Does he?  Easter/Astarte/Ashtaroth/Ishtar seems like a very nice Lady but I bet she keeps a big broom in the closet for troublemakers at the table.  Anyone with that  name linneage is not to be trifled with.

*smiles sweetly*

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2004, 02:44:58 pm »
Anyone else read the title thread and see who the author is,grab thier nose and run?
Now, now Blade.  Likker CAN control himself IF he wants.  The question is...  Does he?  Easter/Astarte/Ashtaroth/Ishtar seems like a very nice Lady but I bet she keeps a big broom in the closet for troublemakers at the table.  Anyone with that  name linneage is not to be trifled with.

*smiles sweetly*

I'm always nice.  And well..being a goddess of sexual love...I don't really need to use strong arm tactics.

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