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Clear the Air
« on: August 01, 2004, 09:18:14 pm »
The last few days have had posts about bridging the comunities, blah, blah, blah.
It all comes down to SFC3 players being abused by OP players.
I really wish I could use profanity here, but let me say it is what comes out of a horse's rear end.
It is a manufactured problem, over and over I have asked those that have made the claim to back it up.
NO RESPONSE!
Just a strawman argument... why? What is the purpose? Piss me off? Succeeded!
Let's see the proof or go away!
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2004, 09:19:40 pm »
The last few days have had posts about bridging the comunities, blah, blah, blah.
It all comes down to SFC3 players being abused by OP players.
I really wish I could use profanity here, but let me say it is what comes out of a horse's rear end.
It is a manufactured problem, over and over I have asked those that have made the claim to back it up.
NO RESPONSE!
Just a strawman argument... why? What is the purpose? Piss me off? Succeeded!
Let's see the proof or go away!



If you really want to clear the air, a bath is a definate option.

This may help additionally:



Comeon, just rave about and wave your arms.  Everyone in here does it. ;3

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2004, 09:27:55 pm »
The last few days have had posts about bridging the comunities, blah, blah, blah.
It all comes down to SFC3 players being abused by OP players.
I really wish I could use profanity here, but let me say it is what comes out of a horse's rear end.
It is a manufactured problem, over and over I have asked those that have made the claim to back it up.
NO RESPONSE!
Just a strawman argument... why? What is the purpose? Piss me off? Succeeded!
Let's see the proof or go away!



I gave you proof.

Now, this obviously didn't concern you.  That is why you don't know anything about it.

Consider yourself fortunate.

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2004, 09:50:48 pm »
The last few days have had posts about bridging the comunities, blah, blah, blah.
It all comes down to SFC3 players being abused by OP players.
I really wish I could use profanity here, but let me say it is what comes out of a horse's rear end.
It is a manufactured problem, over and over I have asked those that have made the claim to back it up.
NO RESPONSE!
Just a strawman argument... why? What is the purpose? Piss me off? Succeeded!
Let's see the proof or go away!



I gave you proof.

Now, this obviously didn't concern you.  That is why you don't know anything about it.

Consider yourself fortunate.

Kimberly

No, you gave me a first person viewpoint of your fleet comms. And an undisclosed pm from an OP'er. No bias there (sarcasm).
If it didn't concern me why post it on a public forum rather than a PM? You were looking for a reaction, you got one.

Holocat, cute picture, I see your point. I've been playing the nice, understanding guy the last 3 days and I see the same damn thing pop up over and over again. I'm sick of it, if the accusation is to made, back it up!
Otherwise it is just another strawman.
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2004, 09:56:37 pm »
Ok.  I've had it.

What is this "strawman" everyone keeps saying?  It's popping up on the boards all over where i'm pawing about, and I have no idea what it could mean.

"Hollow Men" maybe?  what?  seriously.

On the other topic, no one's forcing anyone to read things they don't want to read.  Relax.

You'd think with all the booze you imbibe you'd know that thinking too much hurts.

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2004, 10:00:07 pm »
Ok it dont take a brain surgeon to see where this is going.

Play nice!
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2004, 10:03:06 pm »

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2004, 10:04:05 pm »
Ok.  I've had it.

What is this "strawman" everyone keeps saying?  It's popping up on the boards all over where i'm pawing about, and I have no idea what it could mean.

"Hollow Men" maybe?  what?  seriously.

On the other topic, no one's forcing anyone to read things they don't want to read.  Relax.

You'd think with all the booze you imbibe you'd know that thinking too much hurts.



The Straw Man Fallacy
Type: Red Herring
Etymology:

"Straw man" is one of the best-named fallacies, because it is memorable and vividly illustrates the nature of the fallacy. Imagine a fight in which one of the combatants sets up a man of straw, attacks it, then proclaims victory. All the while, the real opponent stands by untouched.
Quote-Unquote:

    "When your opponent sets up a straw man, set it on fire and kick the cinders around the stage. Don't worry about losing the Strawperson-American community vote." (James Lileks)

Example:

    "Some of you may have seen the 90-minute ABC network television show?entitled 'Growing Up in the Age of AIDS'.? I was one of nine guests on that live program.? ?[A] single 45-second sound bite cost me a long journey and two hectic days in New York City.

    "Why?did I travel to The Big Apple for such an insignificant role? ?I felt a responsibility to express the abstinence position on national television.? How sad that adolescents hear only the dangerous 'safe sex' message from adults who should know better.

    "What follows, then, is what I would have said on television.?

    "Why, apart from moral considerations, do you think teenagers should be taught to abstain from sex until marriage?

    "?[N]ot one of 800 sexologists at a recent conference raised a hand when asked if they would trust a thin rubber sheath to protect them during intercourse with a known HIV infected person. ? And yet they're perfectly willing to tell our kids that 'safe sex' is within reach and that they can sleep around with impunity."
    Source: James C. Dobson, in a fund-raising letter for "Focus on the Family", February 13, 1992.

Exposition:

Judging from my experience, Straw Man is one of the commonest of fallacies. It is endemic in public debates on politics, ethics, and religion.

The Straw Man is a type of Red Herring because the arguer is attempting to refute his opponent's position, and in the context is required to do so, but instead attacks a position?the "straw man"?not held by his opponent. In a Straw Man argument, the arguer argues to a conclusion that denies the "straw man" he has set up, but misses the target. There may be nothing wrong with the argument presented by the arguer when it is taken out of context, that is, it may be a perfectly good argument against the straw man. It is only because the burden of proof is on the arguer to argue against the opponent's position that a Straw Man fallacy is committed. So, the fallacy is not simply the argument, but the entire situation of the argument occurring in such a context.
Subfallacy:

As the "straw man" metaphor suggests, the counterfeit position attacked in a Straw Man argument is typically weaker than the opponent's actual position, just as a straw man is easier to defeat than a flesh-and-blood one. Of course, this is no accident, but is part of what makes the fallacy tempting to commit, especially to a desperate debater who is losing an argument. Thus, it is no surprise that arguers seldom misstate their opponent's position so as to make it stronger. Of course, if there is an obvious way to make a debating opponent's position stronger, then one is up against an incompetent debater. Debaters usually try to take the strongest position they can, so that any change is likely to be for the worse. However, attacking a logically stronger position than that taken by the opponent is a sign of strength, whereas attacking a straw man is a sign of weakness.

A common straw man is an extreme man. Extreme positions are more difficult to defend because they make fewer allowances for exceptions, or counter-examples. Consider the statement forms:

    * All P are Q.
    * Most P are Q.
    * Many P are Q.
    * Some P are Q.
    * Some P are not Q.
    * Many P are not Q.
    * Most P are not Q.
    * No P are Q.

The extremes are "All P are Q" and "No P are Q". These are easiest to refute, since all it takes is a single counter-example to refute a universal proposition. Moreover, the world being such as it is, unless P and Q are connected definitionally, such propositions are usually false. The other propositions are progressively harder to refute until you get to the middle two: "Some P are Q" and "Some P are not Q". To refute these requires one to prove the extremes: "No P are Q" or "All P are Q", respectively. So, extremists are those who take positions starting with "all" or "no". For instance, the extremists in the abortion debate are those who argue that no abortions are permissible, or that all abortions are.

Therefore, Straw Man arguments often attack a political party or movement at its extremes, where it is weakest. For example, it is a straw man to portray the anti-abortion position as the claim that all abortions, with no exceptions, are wrong. It is also a straw man to attack abortion rights as the position that no abortions should ever be restricted, bar none. Such straw men are often part of the process of "demonization", and we might well call the subfallacy of the straw man which attacks an extreme position instead of the more moderate position held by the opponent, the "Straw Demon".



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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2004, 10:04:44 pm »
I know about a Wicker Man.

Not sure I can be bothered, but as you are the Doc, can you run an AI standard patrol in 2 minutes in a KRC? If so, there is no problem and I am utterly wrong. If you cannot, then the KRC is a worse ship for AI missions than ones I know can.

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2004, 10:07:12 pm »
Know about!?  ;)


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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2004, 10:11:47 pm »
I know about a Wicker Man.
Sad thing is most wont get that(well except Doggy)
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2004, 10:13:37 pm »
Know about!?  ;)


Now I spilt my tea again. It's things like that that start wars you know.

Not sure I can be bothered, but as you are the Doc, can you run an AI standard patrol in 2 minutes in a KRC? If so, there is no problem and I am utterly wrong. If you cannot, then the KRC is a worse ship for AI missions than ones I know can.

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2004, 10:15:05 pm »
Kim,
One person, one time, a long time ago, doesn't make an epidemic. As Stephan mentioned, you all caught crap for playing BF1942 as well.

Some people wil poopoo all over anyone who likes something they don't. Some others might be worried that they are going to lose players of their prefered game to another. Or maybe that they are even going to lose contact with a friend. It's going to happen. When it does the parties involved need to talk about it, if they care to. If not then they shouldn't wait until it sticks in their craw long enough to let it fester. Even then, talk directly to the offending party.

This is all way too much drama here. The people who want to play SFC3 need to do that and the people who want to play SFC2 will do the same.

I get annoyed a bit at the people who only mention SFBers when they are whining (not you, this is just a general statement) about some type of elitest attitude. I don't come on here though and put them on the spot about it and start some sort of argument. I've come to the realisation that most of those people just don't understand the game when we talk about it and get the wrong impression. I've quit taking it personally. I suggest that other do the same. If I don't like SFC3 it doesn't mean that I don't like you if you do.
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2004, 10:15:42 pm »
Come to think of it spilt tea was involved in the start of a war too.

Not sure I can be bothered, but as you are the Doc, can you run an AI standard patrol in 2 minutes in a KRC? If so, there is no problem and I am utterly wrong. If you cannot, then the KRC is a worse ship for AI missions than ones I know can.

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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2004, 10:20:14 pm »
Come to think of it spilt tea was involved in the start of a war too.


No that was over-taxation ;D
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2004, 10:23:47 pm »
Oy, where to begin...
Holocat, being an alcoholic does not mean I disengage my brain. I see the trend that is happening here and don't like it. I am cutting it off at the chase and calling to task those that make claims as yet unproven. Think what an a-hole I'd be if I wasn't a drunk.
Straw man is a common tactic in debates when a person is asked a question they don't want to answer so they direct the discussion in another direction. I have asked where D2/OP players have bashed people who play SFC3 several times over the last few days.... my question was always ignored. Always another topic was brought up to distract from the question: Strawman.
Blade, I did not intend this to be a flame fest, although it will probably turn out that way. Enough accusations and innuendo has been made the last few days that I wanted to see proof of it.
I've yet to see one iota of evidence.
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2004, 10:39:55 pm »
Ok.  Here's a small problem.

You're taking me seriously.

You're taking me seriously on a Dynaverse forum.

You're taking me seriously on a Dynaverse forum thread that went Off Topic at Post 5, which I think is gunning for a record.

I mean, to me, none of this really matters.  After all, if we can survive the fall of the company that made our game, we can survive pretty much anything that dosen't shut down the internet entirely.  All things pass in Dynaverse.net.

edit:  Hey, did I just make a strawman?  I'm aiming the discussion so wildly away from the topic any sane man would take my gun licence away.  I'm not debating anything though...

another edit:  Oh, and thanks Doggy for telling me what strawman was.  You too Piggy.

Yet another edit:  Oh, to the person that gave me my first bad karma point, this is proof that nothing can possibly be good on tv.
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2004, 11:19:39 pm »
Ok.  Here's a small problem.

You're taking me seriously.

You're taking me seriously on a Dynaverse forum.

You're taking me seriously on a Dynaverse forum thread that went Off Topic at Post 5, which I think is gunning for a record.

I mean, to me, none of this really matters.  After all, if we can survive the fall of the company that made our game, we can survive pretty much anything that dosen't shut down the internet entirely.  All things pass in Dynaverse.net.

edit:  Hey, did I just make a strawman?  I'm aiming the discussion so wildly away from the topic any sane man would take my gun licence away.  I'm not debating anything though...

another edit:  Oh, and thanks Doggy for telling me what strawman was.  You too Piggy.

Yet another edit:  Oh, to the person that gave me my first bad karma point, this is proof that nothing can possibly be good on tv.


Holocat, sorry if I missed the humor. Look up any thread I've posted in... I'm usually the warped a-hole who says something off topic and stupid.
This crap really has me worked up though. I've been watching this from the beginning and seen the bs from the get go. I played nice, asked people to explain what they were talking about... no joy. And it keeps going and going. I started this thread for all those making accusations (yes even the banned ones who already have alters) to put up or shut up.
So far it is .... dead. I'll tear down any strawman arguement that shows up, which one particular crap disturber was fond of creating, as soon as it shows up.
Show me where OP players have crapped on you or stop making the statement. Simple isn't it.
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2004, 11:22:02 pm »
Know about!?  ;)


Now I spilt my tea again. It's things like that that start wars you know.


One can only hope...there's just not enough of that going around, these days!


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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2004, 02:06:59 am »
Yep, dried up and went away.
Think I proved my point, I'll go back to being a gibbering idiot.
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2004, 03:21:21 am »
Thats why we... well not all of us... but aurora... loves you so much! :)
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2004, 04:40:02 am »
I don't understand.

I would bet that the ones posting here had nothing to do with the situation, therefore don't know anything about it and don't care.

That is too cool.

Just like Rod ONeal suggested, the parties involved need to talk about it.  That is the reason for this discussion.  What more do you want?

This not aimed at one person in particular.  It is not bovine fodder to make upset you, unless you are easily controlled by what people say.

Basically, Nanner must have felt the need to open this topic to deal with some issues he, and others, have experienced. 

It is strange, the guy wanted a little reassurance, and he gets another slap just like the last time.

Why is it so bad to be able to talk on a forum?  Did he call names?  Was he rude?  If you are not involved, then why are you being controlled by this?
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2004, 05:30:06 am »
Ok after looking through several threads here repeatedly I have come to a few conclusions.

First let me state my point of view in general.

I stay mostly on the SFC2.net Forums and the D2 section of these forums occasionally venturing into the SFC general and the models forums when I'm bored or I hear something interesting is going on.

I have always been a supporter of the idea of a community of friends playing a game we all like and existing in relative harmony.  Some disputes over what are the best server settings, shiplist, etc are to be expected as well as the occasional player issue but all could and should be handled in a courteous manner.

I tend to stay away from any Flame zones for the most part as I see them as serving a role for some peoples enjoyment but don't normally visit them or even subscribe to them, yet they require permission being requested to view them so anything you see there that you don't like is your own responsibility in my view.

I don't look down on any individuals for playing a different game be it SFC3, Quake, Chess, or Pin the tail on the donkey.  When SFC3 first came out I admit I was severly disappointed in the game and have yet to bring myself to reinstall or patch it despite assurances from many friends that it is almost an entirely different game now due to the tireless efforts of many whom I applaud. 

At that time I know for a fact that I made some post that were not flattering of SFC3 "101 uses for the SFC disc"  being the main one where I mentioned using it as a candle holder and encouraged others to add their own ideas.  Yet even then it wasn't my intent to belittle the players of that game just to poke fun at the poor quality of the game I just paid for and was unsatisfied with.  I believe I also did express concern with losing D2 players to it at that time trying to persuade them to come back to the D2 and join in a campaign there as D2 numbers of players on servers dwindled in excitement of having the D3 up.  Most have since returned to the D2 (some who play both games) but some remain strictly D3 preferring it.

Now I consider that all past history and I have no disregard for the game or those who play it, the later of which I never had.

What does bother me coming from the D3 is two-fold:



First,

the accusations of D3ers being unwelcome.  This might have been evidenced by some when the game first arrived as they feared for the dwindling numbers of the D2, but is no longer the case IMHO with the overwhelming number of D2 players.  I think any other statements to the contrary are in error at present whether or not they held weight in the past.



Secondly,

the division that has taken place among the D3 community spilling over into the D2.  The hostility, and name calling has made many uncomfortable with the current state of affairs.  Drama Queens and grudge holders on both sides have achieved little that is productive and much which can be considered damaging. 



The need is to discuss things upfront and reasonably, let the admins do there job and keep things in order, but let the players make their job easier by minding their manners and watching their wording, perhaps even taking a "Cleavenesque" (invented a new word there  ;D)  approach which although irritating at times forces posters to define their terms and stay on target rather than wander around with generalizations and flaming. 

Once a dialogue between player has matured a bit a few funny shots at each other can be done without serious damage and the minor damage cleared up rather easily for the most part. 




I can think of a recent example of a misunderstanding between myself and Kroma, we discussed it with a minor amount of heat, started folling each others true intent a bit better, and realized that it was basically nothing to worry about and continued with our friendship and mutual respect (except in terms of fashion  ;)). 

It really wasn't a difficult thing to do because we had established a respect already, were willing to hear each other out, we looked for reconcilliation over flaming, we used civil discussions, and we both just wanted to have fun playing the game which we both find more enjoyable with the other party's presence.




Now there are some people who persist in continually getting involved in these disputes.  If allowed to continue sowing discord they will either be shunned by the community in general and ignored and leave once they realize this or become such a problem and/or so rude as to recieve warnings, timeouts, and finally bannings.


It is a tough decision for forum admins to make, but one they must.  Errors may happen, even admins are human and can lose it occasionally.  In these cases it should fall upon those who remain to raise the issue and ask for reinstatement of those banned.  If enough of the respected members of the community do this, the admins will take note and make appropriate redress. 

If, however there is not a strong opposition to a banning from such forum members, then the admins probably chose the correct actions.  I might suggest a list be posted somewhere preferably in a new sub forum listing those banned the reasoning that part locked, and a place for posting pleas for consideration of reinstatement.

Well there are my thoughts and even a suggestion stuck in there.

My 2 cents stretched a bit further than usual this time so apologies for such a long post.

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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2004, 08:48:36 am »
Well Poop! Folks trust me, running gun fights just ain't worth it. Better to just play and and say little. Even I am beginning to find that out.

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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2004, 10:08:52 am »
Well Poop! Folks trust me, running gun fights just ain't worth it. Better to just play and and say little. Even I am beginning to find that out.

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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2004, 10:20:29 am »
I've asked only one thing.  I don't want posters here resorting to the level I have seen lately.  I know there have been inciters, whose sole purpose has been to get you all angry and to respond in kind.  Well, though understandable it's not right, nor acceptable.  I'd prefer to see responses which showed we were not like them.  We have to set the standard and be different, qualitatively better people than those who incite, prevaricate, spread false rumor and innuendo and outright lie.

So to all of you posting here, you are all people I like and respect.  Please help us maintain the high road no matter what mud is slung.  In the end it is part of life and it makes us more worthy, something I'd like to always feel towards you all.

I am not against opinion.  What I am against is the things I mention above.  I am not fooled, and the community shouldn't be either.  The opponent, so to speak, is jealous, deceptive, dissembling, out to discredit, to turn the D3 community against us, to cause endless discord, all for their own benefit.  We cannot allow that, but equally, we better not become them in any way.

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2004, 10:22:45 am »
I've asked only one thing.  I don't want posters here resorting to the level I have seen lately.  I know there have been inciters, whose sole purpose has been to get you all angry and to respond in kind.  Well, though understandable it's not right, nor acceptable.  I'd prefer to see responses which showed we were not like them.  We have to set the standard and be different, qualitatively better people than those who incite, prevaricate, spread false rumor and innuendo and outright lie.

So to all of you posting here, you are all people I like and respect.  Please help us maintain the high road no matter what mud is slung.  In the end it is part of life and it makes us more worthy, something I'd like to always feel towards you all.

I am not against opinion.  What I am against is the things I mention above.  I am not fooled, and the community shouldn't be either.  The opponent, so to speak, is jealous, deceptive, dissembling, out to discredit, to turn the D3 community against us, to cause endless discord, all for their own benefit.  We cannot allow that, but equally, we better not become them in any way.


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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2004, 01:46:59 pm »
*invites everyone over for tea and crumpets*


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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2004, 05:45:15 pm »
*invites everyone over for tea and crumpets*




What the hell is a crumpet?  What makes it different from a roll, or a pastry, or biscuit?

(Figured we could shoot for a "most hijackings in a thread record" too ;) )

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2004, 07:45:49 pm »
Yummy!  Thank you Astarte.  Would that be with clotted lemon cream curd please?

*invites everyone over for tea and crumpets*



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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2004, 08:09:20 pm »
I don't understand.

I would bet that the ones posting here had nothing to do with the situation, therefore don't know anything about it and don't care.

That is too cool.

Just like Rod ONeal suggested, the parties involved need to talk about it.  That is the reason for this discussion.  What more do you want?

This not aimed at one person in particular.  It is not bovine fodder to make upset you, unless you are easily controlled by what people say.

Basically, Nanner must have felt the need to open this topic to deal with some issues he, and others, have experienced. 

It is strange, the guy wanted a little reassurance, and he gets another slap just like the last time.

Why is it so bad to be able to talk on a forum?  Did he call names?  Was he rude?  If you are not involved, then why are you being controlled by this?


I have observed a hijacking, several in fact, but if Nanner has been slapped then I missed that.  Nanner brought this issue up in the most visible board there is and put no qualifiers on it, 'for those of you involved you know who you are' or something like that.  So it becomes an issue/question for everyone here.

If this really was an issue involving only a few people then I wish someone would clearly state that at the head of a new thread.  If it is a public issue then I wish more specifics would be brought out.

Right now with WT, UNITY, STGD, 11th Fleet there is just a whole bunch of noise in the air.  I think Nanner needs to be real specific about what/who the problem is.  So far the discussion has been too generic in nature with no specific present day instances cited.  I think most of the SFC2 people here remain confused but would like to know what is going on.  If there is a real problem with bad behaviour then I think they want to know.  If the problem is internal to SFC3 folk then I think the SFC2 people don't care.

Right now WT and STGD have stirred up a hornets nest.  This activity has nothing really to do with SFC3 as a game or with the SFC3 player base.
BUT.  Because of certain shenanigans at SFC2.net and elsewhere the SFC2 player base is a little bit ill disposed toward the internal politics of SFC3 right now.  This has muddied the waters and makes the requirement for specificity in any SFC3 discussion all the more urgent.

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2004, 08:58:11 pm »
*invites everyone over for tea and crumpets*




Hmm I'll take the tea.. and  some steak biscuits smothered in  gravy.. with  two eggs over easy  a side of bacon and some grits.. gotta love the grits man..  topped off with real butter, none of the  corn oil crap they  call butter..

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2004, 12:56:25 am »
Yummy!  Thank you Astarte.  Would that be with clotted lemon cream curd please?

*invites everyone over for tea and crumpets*






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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2004, 10:56:55 am »
Anyone else read the title thread and see who the author is,grab thier nose and run?
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2004, 12:50:57 pm »
Anyone else read the title thread and see who the author is,grab thier nose and run?
Now, now Blade.  Likker CAN control himself IF he wants.  The question is...  Does he?  Easter/Astarte/Ashtaroth/Ishtar seems like a very nice Lady but I bet she keeps a big broom in the closet for troublemakers at the table.  Anyone with that  name linneage is not to be trifled with.

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« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2004, 01:00:56 pm »
I was making a joke,perhaps it went a wee bit over your head?
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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2004, 01:04:29 pm »
And perhaps Byzantine's response did the same to you, Blade  :P
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« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2004, 01:06:11 pm »
And perhaps Byzantine's response did the same to you, Blade  :P


Ya I would not bet on it,getting old ya know ;D
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2004, 02:43:39 pm »
Anyone else read the title thread and see who the author is,grab thier nose and run?
Now, now Blade.  Likker CAN control himself IF he wants.  The question is...  Does he?  Easter/Astarte/Ashtaroth/Ishtar seems like a very nice Lady but I bet she keeps a big broom in the closet for troublemakers at the table.  Anyone with that  name linneage is not to be trifled with.

*smiles sweetly*

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« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2004, 02:44:58 pm »
Anyone else read the title thread and see who the author is,grab thier nose and run?
Now, now Blade.  Likker CAN control himself IF he wants.  The question is...  Does he?  Easter/Astarte/Ashtaroth/Ishtar seems like a very nice Lady but I bet she keeps a big broom in the closet for troublemakers at the table.  Anyone with that  name linneage is not to be trifled with.

*smiles sweetly*

I'm always nice.  And well..being a goddess of sexual love...I don't really need to use strong arm tactics.

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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2004, 02:47:34 pm »
Unnrr? WRAA! .. *grunt grunt*

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« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2004, 03:36:13 pm »
Unnrr? WRAA! .. *grunt grunt*

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2004, 01:41:56 pm »
*invites everyone over for tea and crumpets*




Hmm I'll take the tea.. and  some steak biscuits smothered in  gravy.. with  two eggs over easy  a side of bacon and some grits.. gotta love the grits man..  topped off with real butter, none of the  corn oil crap they  call butter..


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Waitress, one o' those fer me too please ;D

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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2004, 07:03:59 pm »
Thats why we... well not all of us... but aurora... loves you so much! :)

Hey.. it got him to change the picture, did it not ?!?!? lol
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Re: Clear the Air
« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2004, 10:27:11 pm »
Hoi Aurora,*

 Gee thanks. My wife, and 6 month old daughter were away, so I managed to find some time for drinking. What got me in the mood for all that drinking that I haven't been use to? Looking at that picture in piggie's sig. (Do you mind if I call you piggie, likkerpig?) Now, its Alex, from Clockwork Orange, (great movie, as far as movies go) hardly an image I want in my "open to suggestion" drunken frame of mindlessness though. Where is the reward for getting wrreaked and lurking the forums, if something in them doesn't become more clear as I become more wrreaklenated?
  Oh, and another thing, I have played SFB, I have seen the Gaming Light, one day I will turn on my computer, log in, and play a game that captures the whole of SFB. There are other games, indeed SFC 1,2,or 3 were not  games I would play except for the work of people like FireSoul. I had considered other ways to continue to play the game I loved after the few who I played with went the ways real life has taken them but the dynaverse is "the best" place to try. The work being done in this community has brought me to it, via Bonk. Though I have the desire to play SFB, I will not trash any other game or players because they do not share the same gaming ideas as myself. I have acted in such a way that promotes the SFB game at times, but again, not at the cost of attacking any other game/player.
 
 Yummy, crumpets, the way to a man's rant. hehe

Take care,

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P.S. I used the word "clear" in the post so that this would not count toward the hi-jacking award. hehe

* edit to address the poster. Sorry Aurora and Astarte for the mistake. BTW my wife (the Starfleet Widow)
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