Topic: Original SFC 11th Fleet

[[RK] Castrin]

I agree with FPF. It's two communities. Any attempt to stuff your version down the throat of the crowd with the pom pom chicks cheering in the background won't work.

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AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet

How is OP being shoved down anyone's throat?  I fail to see that.

Got me, I'm developing a new server for each ...

 

[kortez]

The interaction is a pointed way to see who reacts in what way, and to draw conclusions based on the form and style of the argument.

Here we have a conflict.  That is nothing new.  However, unfortunately, a chance to resolve a conflict peacefully is not the chosen path by all concerned.  Instead we see negative methods and positive ones used.  The negative ones are typical and play like a scratched CD (I upgraded the broken record metaphor).

Would those who react negatively ever be capable of self-examination and the determination of a new more positive path?

Now, that is up to them ...

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

An example:  outrage over any suggestion that their mod might have been misused while the same person posts elsewhere that Battlezone was taken from Unity, all because of a single typo by someone who just wasn't authoritative to begin with about the issue.

AdmFrey. You know exactly why I did that. How did it feel?

The BattleZone admin (Kane) wonders the boards and posts innuendo that Unity was stolen. Your own XC members wear a siggie showing this:



The fact that BattleClinic even allows this rage to be posted and the fact that a high-ranking member of XC touts this trite manuer for a signature on sfc2.net is insidious.

YOUR people know the truth on Unity, as does Kane.

Nannerslug printed information that BattleZone used Unity as a base for it's mod -- which I thought about as ironic as the original allegation that WaterTiger stole Unity. Gimmie a break, Frey.

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AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-

P.S. Kortez, don't preach to me about "negativity" when the XC crowd and Xenocorp spew it 24/7

[FPF-DieHard]

Dude do you even watch Star Trek? ROFL aparantly not. I have seen the movie where it is talked about the enterprise getting the updated quantum torpedo, matter of fact I saw the defiant get them too. Funny how during the life of a Starship it gets REFITTED every so often. And why would you place pulse phasers on a starhip when they were designed for a escort ship? Apparantly you need to stay in the D2 where you estute inability for clear and rational thought will stay subdued.

 

WT is right, it isn't the game, it is the players.

[Wildcard]

Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.

LOL I love this.

Define your statement "It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want", no let me define it for you.

In SFC3 you can "upgrade" your weapons to different variations of said weapons, as well as place said weapons on which ever hardpoint you would like on the ships hull. This results in very cool manner of customization with a limited amount of combinations of weapons. Hull classes are limited, as are the available selection of ships.

In SFC2, you can "upgrade" your load outs regarding the different weapons ammunition, as well as having over 500 ships in the current incarnation of the OP Plus 3.3 shiplist. The real difference is management. Those that favor SFC2 favor the extensive and exhaustive management aspects of the game. They LIKE having "total" control over their energy allocation, weapons and the like. Those that favor SFC3 state they enjoy the "2 minute matches"  regarding PVP. So, thanks WildCard for point this out - very astute although I don't think you were aware of the true implications - the difference isn't so much in the GAMES as in the STYLE OF PLAYING.

All the versions of SFC have their own distinctive draws, or do you deny that?

All the versions of SFC have their won merits regarding playability, customization and the like, or do you deny that?

So really what it again boils down to is your entire comment is designed to convey a negative concept in regards to your interpretation / like / dislike of SFC2 / OP. While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, posting such in a negative manner speaks volumes of yourself.

WaterTiger, again I would ask that you answer my question instead of trying - once again - to create another "tense" or "argumentative" situation to divert the attention to my question.

Stay focused, and just answer the question please.

P.S. Be my guest to post whatever you'd like in the XC forums. Post your screenshots, etc. etc. Just remember that it's not just me that has a record of that entire incident. Make sure you've not "edited for clarity" your "evidence" to heavily, WT. Ultimately this will result in your own self-destruction.

Frey do you really believe your banter? Or are you just so self absorbed to believe what you murmmer? I think you would do much better trying to buy websites and take over the star trek universe like allways.

[FPF-DieHard]

Frey do you really believe your banter? Or are you just so self absorbed to believe what you murmmer? I think you would do much better trying to buy websites and take over the star trek universe like allways.

Are you insane, on medication, or a child?   I need to know this before I flame you into the next life.

Frey has done nothing but help the community, he deserves more respect than this.

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

Frey do you really believe your banter? Or are you just so self absorbed to believe what you murmmer? I think you would do much better trying to buy websites and take over the star trek universe like allways.

He believes it, Wild. And he ran out of .net addresses to snag.

Watch your GQ site. He'll do a quick grab on that, too.

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AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet

[IKSKevin]

Exactely.  People have different tastes...mine is SFC3...yours might be OP  (BORING)  but to each their own....but at least be civil and respectful towards the OTHER person's choice of games.  Most of the OP people I have talked to or know are good people...but you have your A**HOLES....just like we do in SFC3.  The a**holes are usually the most vocal...its really to bad...they are the ones destroying this little "community"...not much anyone can do about it.  So just sit back and have fun with your friends and your game...ignore everyone else...if I could learn to do this...ANYONE can.    

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[kortez]

P.S. Kortez, don't preach to me about "negativity" when the XC crowd and Xenocorp spew it 24/7

You see, you have extreme trouble with civil conversation, and face it, WaterTiger, you do this on a lot of forums, including your own.  Your choice of "spew" as a word has a typically negative connotation, along with your attack on XenoCorp.  If one reciprocated your reaction would be less than civil.

My question, is two fold.  Is it necessary (i.e. are you capable of reacting differently), and does it suit your needs (i.e. in the end do you really promote anything positive by such actions)?

Personal responsibility is something you tend to push at others while eschewing for yourself.  Have I misunderstood?

[FA Frey XC]

Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.

Ahhem .... when was the last time the captain to the USS Kitty Hawk was allowed to remove those blased AA guns and mount a few 16" turrets on the deck?

Ok, here, when was the last time Picard was allowed to head to dry dock and swap out those annoying Ph11s for a few better Pulse Phasers ah and ditch those crap Phots for Quantums? Yeah I remember that episode <sacasim>  

SFC3 is great but don't fool yourself, as an acurate representation of the ST warfare scene it's not. It's a fun game that gives you a lot of options, be happy. OP is a game that strives to be more a battle field simulation than SFC3 and it does it very well.

 

Dude do you even watch Star Trek? ROFL aparantly not. I have seen the movie where it is talked about the enterprise getting the updated quantum torpedo, matter of fact I saw the defiant get them too. Funny how during the life of a Starship it gets REFITTED every so often. And why would you place pulse phasers on a starhip when they were designed for a escort ship? Apparantly you need to stay in the D2 where you estute inability for clear and rational thought will stay subdued.

Wildcard I'm gonna have to call you on this. Please explain to me where / when the Enterprise was getting updated quantum torpedoes? The first instance that quantum torpedoes was even mentioned was in 1st Contact, where the new Sovvy class was revealed after the destruction of NCC 1701 D. Do the timelines stuff and call me back when yer done.

Your argument about "pulse phasers" is also lacking. Interestingly enough photon torpedoes were the Federation staple for, I'm sorry - how long ? 35 years?

And exactly where are you drawing your information regarding the creation of pulse phasers for escort ships only? Please quote cannon references or make sure to state you've got no empirical evidence to support your claim.  Line class ships in the TOS / TMP / TNG era were upgraded just as warships are today, and Castrin's point is obvious to the extreme. If you are trying to say that the fact that you can take your starship into spacedock and swap out WARP CORES is even remotely cannon, I'll let that statement speak for itself.

"Um Yea, StarFleet ? This is Captain WildCard. Look, I need to do some serious reconfiguration of my ship here, okay? I need to swap out some phasers, Oh yea, can I get a couple of those new Quantum torpedoe launchers? Oh yea, and I need the entire WARP CORE swapped out okay? While we're at it, let's just replace my Computer systems, Anti-Cload technology, and impulse engines themselves".

"What do you mean, 'Starfleet Core of Engineers'? I don't understand 'revisions' specs. And dangit I want this to be done in the next three hours or so. Oh yea, and BTW would you please tell Spock to stop screwing around over there on the Enterprise and let him know I've reassigned him to my ship?"

"MMMkay, thanks".

 

[Wildcard]

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[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

Frey, please answer my question regarding your fleet members and the slap in the face to the Knights (now 11th) regarding months and months of work ...

You say clean my porch? Look at your own.

Don't preach to me about integrity when your house has rats in it.

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[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

P.S. Kortez, don't preach to me about "negativity" when the XC crowd and Xenocorp spew it 24/7

You see, you have extreme trouble with civil conversation, and face it, WaterTiger, you do this on a lot of forums, including your own.  Your choice of "spew" as a word has a typically negative connation, along with your attack on XenoCorp.  If one reciprocated your reaction would be less than civil.

My question, is two fold.  Is it necessary (i.e. are you capable of reacting differently), and does it suit your needs (i.e. in the end do you really promote anything positive by such actions)?

Personal responsibility is something you tend to push at others while eschewing for yourself.  Have I misunderstood?

XC is your fleet, right?

Why do you allow your members to launch personal attacks regarding the Unity mod?

Explain "negativity" to me Kortez. Discect the word. Your "secret police" of XC (not a fleet, not a company) ... they know it well, eh?

They visit other forums -- not wearing fleet tags -- (KingKong) and hide under false pretense. Then they openly do it in sfc2.net flame forums. Blade_XC even admitted it in Islandwars Flame Forums.

Your fleet supports that? *snickers*

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AdmwaterTiger-11thFleet

[kortez]

Frey do you really believe your banter? Or are you just so self absorbed to believe what you murmmer? I think you would do much better trying to buy websites and take over the star trek universe like allways.

He believes it, Wild. And he ran out of .net addresses to snag.

Watch your GQ site. He'll do a quick grab on that, too.

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AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet

You attempt to bait and become ever more uncivil, all for what purpose?

I am sure you're capable of using more harmonious and civil language.

Tone down the personal attacks. 

[CmdChucky-11th-]

The first instance that quantum torpedoes was even mentioned was in 1st Contact, where the new Sovvy class was revealed after the destruction of NCC 1701 D. Do the timelines stuff and call me back when yer done.

I have to call you on that
The first incidence i recollect was the USS Defiant NX-74205 which was launched BEFORE the Enterprise E and it always had Quantums.

[Age]

What ever Happened to the 8.10 &12 Fleets.The good thing about SFC3 is it has more mods and are constantly being updated.The Pelican himself is working on Dom Wars 5.0.There is basically only 1 mod for SFC2OP and it is Pestalence's OP Enhancement Pack 2.0.The younger players under 25 prefer SFC3.I would say in order to increase the player base in D2 and OP is move away from SFB and make it more SFC like.I still say that OP is a great game and fun but the Fleets are dyeing.This is mostly in GSA of course.I am talking about  the ones registered at STGD.There are no new ones registered. The only one in here registered at STGD is the SSCF.

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

I'll go a step further, WaterTiger.  Cease the personal attacks.

Rgr that Kortez. Any chance that appreciation can be shown me here by same said site owner? Read his book above. There is a fine line between personal attacks and charachter assasination, agreed?

His statement is littered with personal attacks, false pretense and veiled innuendo. Hell, at least on the STGD forums I give myself a warning when I go off on someone.

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AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-

P.S. I see you are still avoiding my question regarding internal house keeping as it applies to the allegded Unity theft issue that one very prominet XC member and d.net admin has launched in other forums.

[Mace]

You guys all do realize this is about a computer game right????

[FA Frey XC]

The first instance that quantum torpedoes was even mentioned was in 1st Contact, where the new Sovvy class was revealed after the destruction of NCC 1701 D. Do the timelines stuff and call me back when yer done.

I have to call you on that
The first incidence i recollect was the USS Defiant NX-74205 which was launched BEFORE the Enterprise E and it always had Quantums.

Ahh yes you are correct. I think it'd be interesting to check the timeline and see how that relates to the movies.

Good point, Chucky!!