Topic: Original SFC 11th Fleet

[keller-11thfleet-]

no,they do a have a standard,but im to distressed .you can understand that.come on,im sorry for all my swearing and i edited some,we do have high standards and i apolagize.

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

He is a Cmd., sir. And in our structure there is a long way to go to being a spokesman. Please, he is young and excited about this issue. Remember when you were young and excitable?

[Cleaven]

He is a Cmd., sir. And in our structure there is a long way to go to being a spokesman. Please, he is young and excited about this issue. Remember when you were young and excitable?

Yes, I remember not going into other peoples "homes" and swearing like that. Rules of behaviour are meant for circumstances exactly like this, to prevent sad individuals running at the mouth and embarressing all concerned. It isn't allowed here and as far as I'm concerned your whole organisation should be treated with the same brush because none of you disclaimed this behaviour way back on the first page that he used his toilet mouth.

[Wildcard]

Let me quote the Copyright Law for you:

Sec. 401. - Notice of copyright: Visually perceptible copies


(a) General Provisions. -

Whenever a work protected under this title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be placed on publicly distributed copies from which the work can be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

(b) Form of Notice. -

If a notice appears on the copies, it shall consist of the following three elements:

(1)

the symbol (AF) (the letter C in a circle), or the word ''Copyright'', or the abbreviation ''Copr.''; and

(2)

the year of first publication of the work; in the case of compilations, or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying text matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful articles; and

(3)

the name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.

(c) Position of Notice. -

The notice shall be affixed to the copies in such manner and location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright. The Register of Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation, as examples, specific methods of affixation and positions of the notice on various types of works that will satisfy this requirement, but these specifications shall not be considered exhaustive.

(d) Evidentiary Weight of Notice. -

If a notice of copyright in the form and position specified by this section appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as provided in the last sentence of section 504(c)(2).

Thank you for using the GQ Fleet information Center, We are happy to serve. ©

[AdmArmor611thFleet]

Slice

[Fluf]

Well it didnt take you long WT to join a new fleet and start a whole mess now did it?  What was it? 72hrs?

Guys its just a game! Geesh.  All the legal threats are just bull.  All this over a name? 

Why cant there be 2 Fleets like this?  WaterTiger did it.   

Sorry, but I have never heard of the Spartan Vangard 11th Fleet until WaterTiger joined it.  I have known the XIth Fleet Rangers since they formed, and have found them to be honorable players of the "game" in everyway.  Im sure the Spartan Vangard are too, I just dont know them.  However, Im not seeing a very good side of them right now.

Anyway, I suggest you folks settle your differences elsewhere.  You dont want the Taldrenites getting involved in this.  They tend to be very nasty! 

[2step]

Let me quote the Copyright Law for you:

Sec. 401. - Notice of copyright: Visually perceptible copies


(a) General Provisions. -

Whenever a work protected under this title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be placed on publicly distributed copies from which the work can be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

(b) Form of Notice. - welll

If a notice appears on the copies, it shall consist of the following three elements:

(1)

the symbol (AF) (the letter C in a circle), or the word ''Copyright'', or the abbreviation ''Copr.''; and

(2)

the year of first publication of the work; in the case of compilations, or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying text matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful articles; and

(3)

the name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.

(c) Position of Notice. -

The notice shall be affixed to the copies in such manner and location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright. The Register of Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation, as examples, specific methods of affixation and positions of the notice on various types of works that will satisfy this requirement, but these specifications shall not be considered exhaustive.

(d) Evidentiary Weight of Notice. -

If a notice of copyright in the form and position specified by this section appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as provided in the last sentence of section 504(c)(2).

Thank you for using the GQ Fleet information Center, We are happy to serve. ©

Well as we can see they want to post it , but not read it . If you read it , it states in the second sentence that the "register of copywrites" .This means you Have to register your copywrite in order for it to be valid. SO if you quote the law , use it in context please................

[CmdChucky-11th-]

Why can't people spell "copyright"?

Well it didnt take you long WT to join a new fleet and start a whole mess now did it?  What was it? 72hrs?

I'll remind you of a previous post made by myself.

Of course WaterTiger did it, although the fleet was named 11th(XIth)(Eleventh) Fleet A LONG time before he joined, but he's still the sole reason for everything.  (some parts modified)


Have a nice day
CmdChucky-11thFleet-

[kortez]

I'll give you guys my opinion.  

NO CURSING.  Keller, I will be back to you shortly.

[Ace]

Seem's like WC fits right in over there.

I hope you are all warm and cozy with eachother.

[The Pelican]

Let me quote the Copyright Law for you:

Sec. 401. - Notice of copyright: Visually perceptible copies


(a) General Provisions. -

Whenever a work protected under this title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be placed on publicly distributed copies from which the work can be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

(b) Form of Notice. - welll

If a notice appears on the copies, it shall consist of the following three elements:

(1)

the symbol (AF) (the letter C in a circle), or the word ''Copyright'', or the abbreviation ''Copr.''; and

(2)

the year of first publication of the work; in the case of compilations, or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying text matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful articles; and

(3)

the name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.

(c) Position of Notice. -

The notice shall be affixed to the copies in such manner and location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright. The Register of Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation, as examples, specific methods of affixation and positions of the notice on various types of works that will satisfy this requirement, but these specifications shall not be considered exhaustive.

(d) Evidentiary Weight of Notice. -

If a notice of copyright in the form and position specified by this section appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as provided in the last sentence of section 504(c)(2).

Thank you for using the GQ Fleet information Center, We are happy to serve. ©

Well as we can see they want to post it , but not read it . If you read it , it states in the second sentence that the "register of copywrites" .This means you Have to register your copywrite in order for it to be valid. SO if you quote the law , use it in context please................

Incorrect, the sentence you point to states that the Register of Copyrights will provide EXAMPLES of the correct way to copyright something.

Under international copyright law, if you create a piece of ORIGINAL WORK, and you put the correct copyright tag on that work - then it is protected by the copyright laws.  The correct tag is always the word "Copyright" or the copyright symbol ©, followed by the year & who the copyright belongs to.

Example, If I was to write a guide to the SFC3 Single Player Campaign, post it on a webpage & put this at the bottom.

Copyright 2004 Michael Pellington

Then that work is protected under copyright law. If someone took my guide, and posted it on the web ANYWHERE without my permission, then they would be in breach of copyright law. I would be within my legal rights to sue the individual for damages (in a civil court).

If I had a REGISTERED copyright, then it would have this symbol ® - usually called a Registered Trademark - this is used to protect logos & symbols as well as company names and the like - such as the logo for Coca Cola. The ? symbol is normally a subset of the Registered Trademark, and is used to protect secondary logos and names under a main Registered Trademark. Example, the WWE has it's name & main logo as a Registered Trademark, and most of it's wrestlers names under ? - as they are a subset of the main Registered Trademark.

--------------------

On the main argument between the two 11th Fleets. Under law, you would need a REGISTERED TRADEMARK to protect a name. Copyright will not protect a name, only the work itself. While the website itself is protected, the name must be legally registered to protect it from being used by someone else.

In simple truth, as long as neither fleet is using the original work of another, no copyright law has been broken. As the name is not a registered trademark, both fleets are well within their rights to use the name. (Sorry WaterTiger)

[Ace]

You are going to be flamed soooooo hard.

roflmao

[Cleaven]

So where does that leave the creator's of Star Blazers and therefore the original Eleventh Fleet?

[Wildcard]

Let me quote the Copyright Law for you:

Sec. 401. - Notice of copyright: Visually perceptible copies


(a) General Provisions. -

Whenever a work protected under this title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be placed on publicly distributed copies from which the work can be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

(b) Form of Notice. - welll

If a notice appears on the copies, it shall consist of the following three elements:

(1)

the symbol (AF) (the letter C in a circle), or the word ''Copyright'', or the abbreviation ''Copr.''; and

(2)

the year of first publication of the work; in the case of compilations, or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying text matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful articles; and

(3)

the name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.

(c) Position of Notice. -

The notice shall be affixed to the copies in such manner and location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright. The Register of Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation, as examples, specific methods of affixation and positions of the notice on various types of works that will satisfy this requirement, but these specifications shall not be considered exhaustive.

(d) Evidentiary Weight of Notice. -

If a notice of copyright in the form and position specified by this section appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as provided in the last sentence of section 504(c)(2).

Thank you for using the GQ Fleet information Center, We are happy to serve. ©

Well as we can see they want to post it , but not read it . If you read it , it states in the second sentence that the "register of copywrites" .This means you Have to register your copywrite in order for it to be valid. SO if you quote the law , use it in context please................

Incorrect, the sentence you point to states that the Register of Copyrights will provide EXAMPLES of the correct way to copyright something.

Under international copyright law, if you create a piece of ORIGINAL WORK, and you put the correct copyright tag on that work - then it is protected by the copyright laws.  The correct tag is always the word "Copyright" or the copyright symbol ©, followed by the year & who the copyright belongs to.

Example, If I was to write a guide to the SFC3 Single Player Campaign, post it on a webpage & put this at the bottom.

Copyright 2004 Michael Pellington

Then that work is protected under copyright law. If someone took my guide, and posted it on the web ANYWHERE without my permission, then they would be in breach of copyright law. I would be within my legal rights to sue the individual for damages (in a civil court).

If I had a REGISTERED copyright, then it would have this symbol ® - usually called a Registered Trademark - this is used to protect logos & symbols as well as company names and the like - such as the logo for Coca Cola. The ? symbol is normally a subset of the Registered Trademark, and is used to protect secondary logos and names under a main Registered Trademark. Example, the WWE has it's name & main logo as a Registered Trademark, and most of it's wrestlers names under ? - as they are a subset of the main Registered Trademark.

--------------------

On the main argument between the two 11th Fleets. Under law, you would need a REGISTERED TRADEMARK to protect a name. Copyright will not protect a name, only the work itself. While the website itself is protected, the name must be legally registered to protect it from being used by someone else.

In simple truth, as long as neither fleet is using the original work of another, no copyright law has been broken. As the name is not a registered trademark, both fleets are well within their rights to use the name. (Sorry WaterTiger)

That is right Pelican, But it also goes a little deeper than that. I have a corporate lawyer friend that I go to church with and she told me last night that the name and symbol and or site design, site logo "11th Fleet" can be protected under the Copyright law as well as the Registered Trademark Law if they wanted to get the circle R. But where it is a non profit gaming organization the regualar circle C would protect them. I mean I did some indepth research when it came to this issue on the grounds of our mod being protected and our fleet as well. But you cant tell this crew anything. They invented the law over here, and interprete it as well.

[Wildcard]

Seem's like WC fits right in over there.

I hope you are all warm and cozy with eachother.

Hey Ace how are you? Drop by the fleet and say hi every now and then. Ace you know me I call a spade a spade when I see one. I dont have the community politics and suck up like everyone else. I refuse to be in the box. I am a radical, I dont believe in being politicaly correct, it stinks. I just tell it like it is. I wont be 2 faced like most. I am a man and will tell someone to their face. If I were running for the popularity poll I would start with the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach and get some poor fools to preach my name for me. But since I am not in a popularity contest and could care less what some guy in a basement on the internet that still lives with his mom thinks I just tell it like it is.

[FPF-DieHard]

Anything KBF touches DIES

Dude, that was so uncalled for.

Can we please sever OP from SFC3 and be done with this BS?   End this ridiculous charade.

[Kane]

Great Work Pelican.

Looks like we have a 11th and a XIth Fleet.






Now go play.

[Sirgod]

I think I'll go and copyright the Letter "E".

Stephen

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

Anything KBF touches DIES

Dude, that was so uncalled for.

Can we please sever OP from SFC3 and be done with this BS?   End this ridiculous charade.

Who is "WE"?

[FPF-DieHard]

Anything KBF touches DIES

Dude, that was so uncalled for.

Can we please sever OP from SFC3 and be done with this BS?   End this ridiculous charade.

Who is "WE"?

All of us is "we."

Though this thread was damn entertaining, I just gotta say it is a retarded, dumb flame-war rivialling the childish arguments about whether or not Mighty Mouse could beat up Superman.