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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2004, 11:50:13 pm »
DH.

This is the concern I have with fighters:

The Plasma-D was supposed to be the ISC's fighter HW.  It is supposed to be a 1/2 strength Pl-F.  Sadly, it has it's issues related to "drone speeds".

I am afraid that putting actual Pl-Fs on the Caveats and Torts will start another issue.  That the ISC gets full-strength HWs while the rest of the fighter races are stuck with their 1/2 strength editions.

Nevermind the fact that a CVAs fighter squadron can hurt like a full-pack of Gorn or Rommie PFs, and our bigger carriers have 3 or 4 squadrons...

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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #61 on: July 30, 2004, 12:40:30 am »
Good posts Karnak. Yes, I actually got your humor and you made some valid points. Made me think of the old days when the ISC were a force that was feared. (Yes I flew them for a server.... Hydran and Gorn too!)
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roms were sneaky (spqr didn't exist though)
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ahh, ya know the rest.
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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #62 on: July 30, 2004, 07:32:54 am »
DH.


I am afraid that putting actual Pl-Fs on the Caveats and Torts will start another issue.  That the ISC gets full-strength HWs while the rest of the fighter races are stuck with their 1/2 strength editions.



That is a cop out Julin.  Plasma Fs on fighters are not nearly as bad as 3 PH-G.
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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2004, 07:49:05 am »
What makes you say that?

I haven't poked around with Pl-F fighters yet.  How do they do on a head-on approach, launching Pl-F from range 8 or so (harassment setting) into a head-on target.

The Cav III at range 8 is lucky to do 10-20 points of damage, mostly from Ph-2s.  They're only severely dangerous once they get into close range and the gats come into play.  It's entirely possible that 4 Pl-F fighters that launch F-torps at range 8 can do 80 damage.

Like I said, I'm worried about the replacement being called "just as cheesy" or "cheeisier" than the current slop we have.  Prove to me that Pl-Fs will make the fighters less-cheesy but keep them on a par with the rest of the fighter races and I'll gladly champion to have them adopted, and have the ISC's fighter squadrons brought into line with the standard SFC conversion rates...

Like you have already said, the Pl-F fighter will still be the ultimate anti-fighter / PF unit on the board with the new patch...

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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2004, 08:03:12 am »
What makes you say that?

I haven't poked around with Pl-F fighters yet.  How do they do on a head-on approach, launching Pl-F from range 8 or so (harassment setting) into a head-on target.

The Cav III at range 8 is lucky to do 10-20 points of damage, mostly from Ph-2s.  They're only severely dangerous once they get into close range and the gats come into play.  It's entirely possible that 4 Pl-F fighters that launch F-torps at range 8 can do 80 damage.

Like I said, I'm worried about the replacement being called "just as cheesy" or "cheeisier" than the current slop we have.  Prove to me that Pl-Fs will make the fighters less-cheesy but keep them on a par with the rest of the fighter races and I'll gladly champion to have them adopted, and have the ISC's fighter squadrons brought into line with the standard SFC conversion rates...

Like you have already said, the Pl-F fighter will still be the ultimate anti-fighter / PF unit on the board with the new patch...

Proove to you in the forums?   No, what we post here is BS, the onle valid test is combat.  Next time we do a test of the SGODev stuff I'll make sure you get a copy.

I have flown Plasm F fighters a LOT.   I can tell you from experience, they are a hell of a lot better balanced than Caveats.   Fire them on "Defend" they will rape a target up close but will not take shields down form range 15.

10-20 points from range 8 is cheesy as hell  ;D  Actually, I think the Phaser 2 on fighters is broken and does too much damge as Hydran fighters do not do this.
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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #65 on: July 30, 2004, 08:15:12 am »
Map is done and ready for feedback from Lord Krueg et al.    I'll get it to Die Hard so he can slap it up on a test server.

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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #66 on: July 30, 2004, 08:16:30 am »
What missions should I use?
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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2004, 09:26:17 am »
Stock.


















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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2004, 10:35:45 am »

The Freds use all types of weapons as they fight all the types of weapons, basic SFB history. And yes, the BCG was Klink front, BCF was Romulan front.  Kinda would make sense to reverse that tho eh? Klink AMD wont stop a F, and most rommies dont have Plasd-D to stop drones, but thats not how they were operated.

Just a brief SFB history reminder, the Freds got Phas-G from the Hydrans in exchange for help during the General War, and the Gorn traded Plas-F for Federation Ships and FIGHTERS! Yes, thats right sports fans, in SFB, the Gorns had Fed CVL's (IIRC the ones made from GSC) and F-18 fighters.

Fed drone fighters and PF's with plasmas... Ummm, get me some crackers for all this cheese!

Hey Diehard, lets see if we can bribe J'inn into putting those "Conjectural" Fed PF's into GW3!  ;)


Oh yes, put out by ADB but ONLY as "Conjectural" as in Fed development designed them but they were never implemented...

Just imagine a flotilla of PF's with P-1 and photons, each one bascially a miniature FF/FFG (cant remember if they had drone racks or not)

DH is talking to someone (cant remember who) about running a server with the Fred PF's on it! <drool> A REAL Fred SCS! Fighters AND PF's! 'Scuse me, I gotta run to the bathroom for some alone time!

AJTK correction post:

1. Feds got gatling phasers from the only ship in the expedition that "reached" fed space, which IIRC was a Knight DD. It was a destroyed hulk in the neutral zone. However the gatlings were intact and they salvaged the design. The Kingdom got nothing. This is why gatling designs show up fairly late, because it was after the failed expedition.

2. The Gorn never operated federation ships. Their carrier designs are based off of their own hulls, mainly the BC hull for the CV (the largest gorn carrier in service until the BCS). Gorn however couldn't fit into single space sized fighters due to their size, so they used Skolean mercenaries (a federation world) to pilot their fighters. It is true that mostly the gorn operated federation fighters, and made plasma torps available to the federation in return (so to speak). Though the Gorn got many more fighters than the feds got plasma launchers. It should also be noted that the Gorn preferred different fighter designs than the feds used when they could get them from the feds (IE, the G-12 instead of the G-18 (F-18)). They did operate their own heavy fighters (2 space shuttles) of their own design, the G-30 and G-32. At no time did the gorn ever use drones on their carriers; Gorn fighters are armed with Plasma-F (BTW, for those that don't know, from the earliest versions of SFB, the F in plasma F stands for fighter - it was one of the original fighter weapons), Plasma-D, and Plasma-K. Heavy assault fighters (G-10, gorn version of the A-10) are armed with the plasma-F, while the dogfight type series (G-18, G-20, G-12) are armed with plasma-D and plasma-K.

3. As noted, federation PFs are conjectural. In module K, it notes that the federation never even considered them, no came up with a design. However, it speculates that if they had it would have looked similar to kzin PFs and they would have looked like XXX, etc. Federation instead operated heavy fighters, specifically the A-20 and F-111. The feds do have an SCS, and it's in the shiplist already (though without the correct fighter wing that made it what it is). The fed SCS had 12 F-14, 12 F-18, and 6 A-20 fighters (IE, 36 spaces of them). The A-20 was armed with photons while the F-111 was armed with drones; however, the F-111 had a bomb bay that could carry multiple configurations of weapons (drones, T-Bombs, ECM pods, etc). Both are very dangerous, though not as dangerous as a PF.


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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2004, 11:25:23 am »
What missions should I use?

I haven't been following the news on the mission bug fixes.


Ummm,   do we have any that work??   LOL.


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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2004, 11:39:48 am »
What missions should I use?

I haven't been following the news on the mission bug fixes.


Ummm,   do we have any that work??   LOL.



Heck, I can "make" the GW2 misions work be restricting out the AI carriers.  i would like to do this anyway so I can slap in a few EEK patrols (which FS's fix does not work on as they generat AI in a different manner than ED). 

The Current ED and EEK packs are still WIPs but I can force them to work, I'll throw something together this weekend based on whatever is current.   Then we test the crap out of it.
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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #71 on: July 30, 2004, 01:11:59 pm »
What missions should I use?

I haven't been following the news on the mission bug fixes.


Ummm,   do we have any that work??   LOL.



Heck, I can "make" the GW2 misions work be restricting out the AI carriers.  i would like to do this anyway so I can slap in a few EEK patrols (which FS's fix does not work on as they generat AI in a different manner than ED). 

The Current ED and EEK packs are still WIPs but I can force them to work, I'll throw something together this weekend based on whatever is current.   Then we test the crap out of it.

FS's fixes what has already been fixed in the stock missions and their modified clones which means they don't, won't and can't AI strip. In other words, nothing has been fixed.  Just saying something has been fixed does not mean it's fixed if it already has been fixed meaning nothing was fixed because it was already fixed until you run some code that has not been fixed even though some people say it has been fixed until the fixed code has been run then it won't be fixed consequently you've all been "fixed", which can hurt sometimes, especially if you are a man, I've heard. *snicker*

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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #72 on: July 30, 2004, 01:27:49 pm »
Let me translate from Frog to English . . .

because of what Karnak did to get AI-stripping to work, the "fix" for the double fight bug the FS discovered for the ED mission does not work because AI are generated and handled in a different manner.
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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #73 on: July 30, 2004, 01:28:40 pm »
J'inn, I should be home around 10 PM tonight, look for me on MSN if you are available.
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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2004, 01:37:51 pm »
J'inn, I should be home around 10 PM tonight, look for me on MSN if you are available.


I won't be around then.   I refuse to say why because it will result in people pointing and laughing at me.

However, I plan on getting some work done earlier.    I'll email the map and whatever else I do tonight.


As for the shiplist and fighter list . . .     Do I use OP+3.3 or wait for 3.4??

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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2004, 01:40:27 pm »
J'inn, I should be home around 10 PM tonight, look for me on MSN if you are available.


I won't be around then.   I refuse to say why because it will result in people pointing and laughing at me.

However, I plan on getting some work done earlier.    I'll email the map and whatever else I do tonight.


As for the shiplist and fighter list . . .     Do I use OP+3.3 or wait for 3.4??


OP+ 3.3.   IF FS Realease 3.4 before the server goes live, I'll convert.

PS.  Email it to me, i will post it for public consumption after i have changed the spare parts and added the PFs.
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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2004, 01:43:46 pm »
J'inn, I should be home around 10 PM tonight, look for me on MSN if you are available.


I won't be around then.   I refuse to say why because it will result in people pointing and laughing at me.

However, I plan on getting some work done earlier.    I'll email the map and whatever else I do tonight.


As for the shiplist and fighter list . . .     Do I use OP+3.3 or wait for 3.4??


OP+ 3.3.   IF FS Realease 3.4 before the server goes live, I'll convert.

PS.  Email it to me, i will post it for public consumption after i have changed the spare parts and added the PFs.


Just in case I don't have a copy at home . . .  can I have a linky to a clean copy of 3.3 shiplist?   I don't need the fighter list I suppose.



P.S.   No need for you to convert Die Hard.   While I'm sure any Rabbi would be pleased to have you at his Temple (they love a good challange)  I don't think you would like the Bris requirement.  <snicker>

 

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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #77 on: July 30, 2004, 01:50:01 pm »
Check your email
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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #78 on: July 30, 2004, 01:54:20 pm »
Hey Flea-bag, I got a rejection notice on the first attemtpt to send you the file. 


Is you hotmail account full?
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Re: GW 3 News
« Reply #79 on: July 30, 2004, 01:57:42 pm »
Hey Flea-bag, I got a rejection notice on the first attemtpt to send you the file. 


Is you hotmail account full?

Yeah,  762 keeps sending me pr0n.   He's a sick puppy.

I'll send you an alternative addy.