Topic: GW 3 News

[Vaul]

Fed PFs? Do tell......

[FPF-AJTK]

Fed PFs? Do tell......

Oh yes, put out by ADB but ONLY as "Conjectural" as in Fed development designed them but they were never implemented...

Just imagine a flotilla of PF's with P-1 and photons, each one bascially a miniature FF/FFG (cant remember if they had drone racks or not)

DH is talking to someone (cant remember who) about running a server with the Fred PF's on it! <drool> A REAL Fred SCS! Fighters AND PF's! 'Scuse me, I gotta run to the bathroom for some alone time!

[GDA-Agave]

Ok, Julin, now my reponse to your post,

Saluting "Real" Feds in Photon / Drone / Phaser boats:  Are you sure you want to salute silly Mirak-wanna-be's that fly Fed Drone ships?  I view a real Fed ship as one who's heavy weapon is predominately the Photon Torpedo, even though it may have a few, maybe even a lot, of drones...

My salute to Feds who fly photon/phaser/drone boats means the traditional ships which use drones as secondary weapons, i.e. 2 racks on most, 4 racks on DNs.  I was not including the Drone variant (i.e. 6 racks).   IMHO, anyone who predominately flys those ships might as well sign up as Mirak.   Hey, sometimes they do come in handy, planet assaults, running up DV behind the front lines, etc..  They have their place, I just think you're missing the real flavor of the Feds is that is the only ship you will fly.

And you Gorn being "real plasma chuckers", that's a laugh.  It is a well-known fact that you need a trick to make plasma effective, like the Romulan Cloak or the PPD, in order to get the Plasma to hit. 

Actually, your point here just proves that we are the "real plasma chuckers".  We don't have to hide behind any additional "trick" weapons.    We fly with ONLY plasma and phasers.   We bring it to straight to our enemies with only that.   Your ISC ships would be nothing special without your PPD and Caveat 3 fighters to really make them work.   Without those niffy little items your ships would be second rate plasma ships at best.   Don't get me wrong here, I don't mind most ISC ships, it just the ones that combine PPD and plasma that really seem OTT to me, and such ships as the CCY (borderline), CCZ & BCV (hey, it's got all 3, plasma, PPD, and ftrs) need to be reclassed as DNs.   Until then, keep you biased, superiority drimble to yourself.  I'm sick of hearing it.

As for the Romulans and their cloak.   The cloak has become a bit more cheesy with the newest patch, but I believe that it is closer to what it was like in SFB.   And IMHO, any Rom who cloaks in a PvP plasma match has balls, and I salute them.   Only 2 things I have problems with Roms, their KHK is a pocketdred (c'mon guys, give me a break), and their cloaking bases.   With the new patch, cloaking bases are just nuts.   Other than those little items, the Roms fly straight up and I respect them.

I'm not forgetting our PFs.   Some say the Gorn PFs are cheesy.   Well, the last patch sure fixed that now that they fire 1 F-torp per turn.  The PFdLs in LB5 were nice, but without those variants they are just a cute change. 

Enough said.

Agave

[Julin Eurthyr]

And you Gorn being "real plasma chuckers", that's a laugh.  It is a well-known fact that you need a trick to make plasma effective, like the Romulan Cloak or the PPD, in order to get the Plasma to hit. 

Actually, your point here just proves that we are the "real plasma chuckers".  We don't have to hide behind any additional "trick" weapons.    We fly with ONLY plasma and phasers.   We bring it to straight to our enemies with only that.   Your ISC ships would be nothing special without your PPD and Caveat 3 fighters to really make them work.   Without those niffy little items your ships would be second rate plasma ships at best.   Don't get me wrong here, I don't mind most ISC ships, it just the ones that combine PPD and plasma that really seem OTT to me, and such ships as the CCY (borderline), CCZ & BCV (hey, it's got all 3, plasma, PPD, and ftrs) need to be reclassed as DNs.   Until then, keep you biased, superiority drimble to yourself.  I'm sick of hearing it.

As for the Romulans and their cloak.   The cloak has become a bit more cheesy with the newest patch, but I believe that it is closer to what it was like in SFB.   And IMHO, any Rom who cloaks in a PvP plasma match has balls, and I salute them.   Only 2 things I have problems with Roms, their KHK is a pocketdred (c'mon guys, give me a break), and their cloaking bases.   With the new patch, cloaking bases are just nuts.   Other than those little items, the Roms fly straight up and I respect them.

I'm not forgetting our PFs.   Some say the Gorn PFs are cheesy.   Well, the last patch sure fixed that now that they fire 1 F-torp per turn.  The PFdLs in LB5 were nice, but without those variants they are just a cute change. 

Enough said.

Agave

Ahem.

I hoped the twin smilies, especially after the 2 eviller sections, were a tip-off about the tounge-in-cheek-ness I used in the post.

Sorry if I offended instead.

I'll concede Taldren's choice of heavy weapon for the ISC fighters (gatling phasers or Ph-2s) leads to overpowered fighters, especially if the fighter-phasers are still semi-bugged.
I'll concede pure Plasma / Phaser ships (all Gorn, ISC of FF, DD or CL line, as the CS-line has PPDs) have a hard time landing the plasma.

Hence my choice of words.  I've always viewed a "chuck" as a soft-toss, while a "hurl" is what you do to a shot-put, ie, send it as far as you can...

Rommies and ISC are designed to soft-toss plasma at targets which are brought close by our tricks, while Gorn have to often hurl them to maximum ranges in order to get them a chance to impact.  Either that, or they have to hurl their ships right into the line of fire to get close enough to land a shot, via the Gorn Anchor...

All races have a tough road to hoe, in their own ways.  Gorn always have, and always will, have a tough time landing plasma.

And if you didn't notice, the DIP calls the CCZ a "carrier", up with quite a few DNs and DNHs, and our BCV is one step short of a full-blown BB.  I am not sitting in the DIP looking for a break on these ships.  That's where they belong, in the completely impartial formula established prior to the ships being considered.  Just as you're sick of "holier-than-thou" players, I'm sick of everyone calling my fleet cheese.  I don't fly ISC cause their cheesy, I fly ISC because of something that started with me back on the I-play boards.  It just so happens that I happen to like their ships, now that I've been exposed to them.

And if you think I truly am a "holier-than-thou" player, I'll remember that stance the next time someone suggests an improvement to Gorn ships.  I recall being right in there saying the Gorn need some more power when it was considered a year or 2 ago...

[alfman]

And if you think I truly am a "holier-than-thou" player, I'll remember that stance the next time someone suggests an improvement to Gorn ships.  I recall being right in there saying the Gorn need some more power when it was considered a year or 2 ago...

I actually think you are a good player and a fair person. All races have ships that are cheesy at times. In Mid and late the Gorn have a tough row to hoe against the ISC, but in early I think we have better ships ( Notice : this MY opinion). Hydrans would probably have a better chance against ISC in mid and late. The G-BCS loaded with a PfLd and 3 PFd's is a match for the Caveat III fighters, in my opinion. Yes you have a better BCH, but so do the Roms(they have 2 better than ours) .

I would just like to spend more time in early era( I know it makes me in the minority). We  have spent more time in late era and that is where the imbalance seems greatest. I hold nothing against any ISC player,

[GDA-Agave]

Ahem.

I hoped the twin smilies, especially after the 2 eviller sections, were a tip-off about the tounge-in-cheek-ness I used in the post.

Sorry if I offended instead.

I'll concede Taldren's choice of heavy weapon for the ISC fighters (gatling phasers or Ph-2s) leads to overpowered fighters, especially if the fighter-phasers are still semi-bugged.
I'll concede pure Plasma / Phaser ships (all Gorn, ISC of FF, DD or CL line, as the CS-line has PPDs) have a hard time landing the plasma.

Hence my choice of words.  I've always viewed a "chuck" as a soft-toss, while a "hurl" is what you do to a shot-put, ie, send it as far as you can...

Rommies and ISC are designed to soft-toss plasma at targets which are brought close by our tricks, while Gorn have to often hurl them to maximum ranges in order to get them a chance to impact.  Either that, or they have to hurl their ships right into the line of fire to get close enough to land a shot, via the Gorn Anchor...

All races have a tough road to hoe, in their own ways.  Gorn always have, and always will, have a tough time landing plasma.

And if you didn't notice, the DIP calls the CCZ a "carrier", up with quite a few DNs and DNHs, and our BCV is one step short of a full-blown BB.  I am not sitting in the DIP looking for a break on these ships.  That's where they belong, in the completely impartial formula established prior to the ships being considered.  Just as you're sick of "holier-than-thou" players, I'm sick of everyone calling my fleet cheese.  I don't fly ISC cause their cheesy, I fly ISC because of something that started with me back on the I-play boards.  It just so happens that I happen to like their ships, now that I've been exposed to them.

And if you think I truly am a "holier-than-thou" player, I'll remember that stance the next time someone suggests an improvement to Gorn ships.  I recall being right in there saying the Gorn need some more power when it was considered a year or 2 ago...

Well, I appreciate your further explanation of your earlier post.    You did not offend, but seemed to have landed squarely on an exposed nerve.   I certainly do apologize for my phrase "biased, superiortiy drimble".  It was uncalled for, and certainly by your explanation, I see completely offbase.

As for your ISC ship being known as "cheesy".   I have always thought that was the way our community pointed the finger at items they felt had balancing issues.   I certainly did notice the DIP classification of the CCZ and BCV, and I thought this certainly was a good step in the right direction.   All I have ever wanted was a balanced shiplist (CA vs CA, CL vs CL, etc) that would allow PvP matches to be decided by pilot skill.  

Anyway, sorry for any misunderstanding.   Thanks for reading my post with an open mind and explaining yourself further.   Please forgive me for making you a target of my recent frustrations.

Agave

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Please forgive me for making you a target of my recent frustrations.

Agave

Yes that is my job Julian, as a bartender and Agave's longtime friend.

Why just the other day he came into my bar and was venting his frustrations on me.

Agave:  Chuut!  Chuut!  Leave those strippers from next door for a second and get me a drink will you?

Chuut:  Yes ladies, I guess I can find time to swing by the club for a couple of drinks, but please, this time let me pay for my own drinks ok?  I mean its nice of you to buy em for me but you work hard for the money and I wouldn't want you not to be able to afford those nice leather......

Agave:  CHUUT!  Get your butt over here!  NOW!!!!

Chuut:  If you will excuse me for a minute Angelic, Jasmine, and of course the lovely....

Agave:  CHUUT!!!!!

Chuut:  Sheesh!  ok bro whats the urgent matter!

Agave:  The ISC have been posting about....

Chuut:  PPD, Plasma torps, pfs.......<shakes head in sympathy and takes down Ceurvo 1800 bottle and begins pouring tequilla into a pint beer glass>

Agave:  <gulps down entire glass and stretches for a refill>  Yup its that same old thing, you know that "sensitive spot"

Chuut:  Hmmmm.....this might take a while I guess, whaddya say we go next door and join the girls for a drink there and you can tell Chuut all about it and you will have my full attention......well at least all attention not involving sight and touch.

<3 hours later>

Agave:  And then the Monkeyboys took our F-Torp and are claiming the F stands for Federation instead of Frog Gigging, the nerve........Ummm my glass is empty again....

Waitress:  I'm sorry sir but we are now out of Tequilla <gestures at multiple empty bottles in front of Agave.

Agave: WHAT????  NO MORE TEQUILLA????

Chuut:  <looking out between 2 ladies on his lap>  Oh you shouldn't have said that sweetie.

Agave NO MORE TEQUILLA!!!!!

Chuut:  Damn!...this could get ugly.......Wait!, Ummm Agave, friend, they still have some don't you sweat it!  Just let Chuut handle this.

Chuut:  <whispers to waitress>  Follow my lead, trust me its all for the better

Chuut:  They still got Tequilla bro, its just in a mix with other liquors premade, besides you might even like it mixed properly, I'll go speak to the bartender, she's a good friend of mine and will set you up right.

Agave:  Well,.....you know I prefer it straight, but as long as it has tequilla in it it cant be all bad.

Chuut:  Fiona, you and Candy keep Agave happy while I'm gone, don't worry I'll be back soon and he's too drunk to grope much.

<Chuut goes to bar>

Ok, Precious, I need you to find me some illegal drugs from the girls dressing room, we both know they are there, so don't deny it.  Get as many as possible and mix them with some pineapple and coconut and stick lots of garnishes and some assorted fruit juices and ice cream.  Blend em up and fill your biggest glass.  Wait that wont be big enough, just hollow out that pineapple over there.

Precious:  I can't do that!  Its against....

Chuut:  Look darlin' see that big Gorn over there?  He's drunk 7 bottles of Tequilla and is just drunk enough to ignore a phaser on heavy stun as he goes looking for a secret tequilla stash in the bar.....Comprende?

Well to make a long story short  Agave felt much better, Chuut was glad he was using M'ress's Patriarch credit account number (Thanks J'inn ), and now Agave only orders pretty drinks in pineapples with lots of umbrellas in them, I think he's still drugged actually, but hell, the grin on his face makes it all worthwhile (not to mention all those GW3 Klingon battleplans he gave me  .

P.S.  I understand hes going to be changing his sig pic to this:





<SNICKER>

[FPF-DieHard]

I would just like to spend more time in early era( I know it makes me in the minority). We  have spent more time in late era and that is where the imbalance seems greatest. I hold nothing against any ISC player,

You're not the only one.   This game goes all downhill as soon as 2280 hits.

[Julin Eurthyr]

Agave...

Apology accepted.  My humor just dragged me right into the line of fire...

(looks around stash of items picked up from Litterbox 5, including the cases of Tequilla gathered from convoy raids in the 12,19 area...)

Here (hands Agave a case of Tequilla from said area), have a case on me.  I figured that I may have just cought you on a bad day...

[GDA-Agave]

Hey, get away from my tequila stores.   I knew a couple of those freightors felt a little lite.

Damn thieving bastiches.

I'll have to cut back for an hour or so.

Damn, life's little inconveniences.


Agave

[Julin Eurthyr]

I would never dare touch a Gorn's already-stashed Tequilla...

However, when an operation gets named Tequilla, and all of a sudden the tequilla convoys start moving through there, you're bound to pick up a case or 500 before the freighters are scuttled during the necessary convoy raids...

[el-Karnak]

Ahem.

I hoped the twin smilies, especially after the 2 eviller sections, were a tip-off about the tounge-in-cheek-ness I used in the post.

Sorry if I offended instead.

I'll concede Taldren's choice of heavy weapon for the ISC fighters (gatling phasers or Ph-2s) leads to overpowered fighters, especially if the fighter-phasers are still semi-bugged.
I'll concede pure Plasma / Phaser ships (all Gorn, ISC of FF, DD or CL line, as the CS-line has PPDs) have a hard time landing the plasma.

Hence my choice of words.  I've always viewed a "chuck" as a soft-toss, while a "hurl" is what you do to a shot-put, ie, send it as far as you can...

Rommies and ISC are designed to soft-toss plasma at targets which are brought close by our tricks, while Gorn have to often hurl them to maximum ranges in order to get them a chance to impact.  Either that, or they have to hurl their ships right into the line of fire to get close enough to land a shot, via the Gorn Anchor...

All races have a tough road to hoe, in their own ways.  Gorn always have, and always will, have a tough time landing plasma.

And if you didn't notice, the DIP calls the CCZ a "carrier", up with quite a few DNs and DNHs, and our BCV is one step short of a full-blown BB.  I am not sitting in the DIP looking for a break on these ships.  That's where they belong, in the completely impartial formula established prior to the ships being considered.  Just as you're sick of "holier-than-thou" players, I'm sick of everyone calling my fleet cheese.  I don't fly ISC cause their cheesy, I fly ISC because of something that started with me back on the I-play boards.  It just so happens that I happen to like their ships, now that I've been exposed to them.

And if you think I truly am a "holier-than-thou" player, I'll remember that stance the next time someone suggests an improvement to Gorn ships.  I recall being right in there saying the Gorn need some more power when it was considered a year or 2 ago...

Well, I appreciate your further explanation of your earlier post.    You did not offend, but seemed to have landed squarely on an exposed nerve.   I certainly do apologize for my phrase "biased, superiortiy drimble".  It was uncalled for, and certainly by your explanation, I see completely offbase.

As for your ISC ship being known as "cheesy".   I have always thought that was the way our community pointed the finger at items they felt had balancing issues.   I certainly did notice the DIP classification of the CCZ and BCV, and I thought this certainly was a good step in the right direction.   All I have ever wanted was a balanced shiplist (CA vs CA, CL vs CL, etc) that would allow PvP matches to be decided by pilot skill.  

Anyway, sorry for any misunderstanding.   Thanks for reading my post with an open mind and explaining yourself further.   Please forgive me for making you a target of my recent frustrations.

Agave

WHAT!!!   It's post like these that make me want to play other games.  The game sucks so much!!...How dare you say ISC ships are cheesy, and uber, and, and,....

You dipsomaniac, bashi-bazouk, Frog hater, vandal, space road-hog, nitwit, fililbusterer, abecedarian, baboon, bandit, duck-billed platypus, dunderhead, ectoplasm, egoist, fresh-water swab, fuzzy-wuzzy, gallows-fodder, gangster, honky-tonk highjacker, itty-bitty hydrocarbon, iconoclast, jellyfish judas, kleptomaniac, miserable earthworm, moth-eaten marmot, nicompoop nyclatop, odd-toed ungulate, overdressed windbagged ostrogoth, pickaroon pick-pocket, raggle-taggle ruminanted stool pigeon, squawking poppinjayed slave-trader, technocratted tin-can tyrant, Mountebanked visigoth, and treacherous zapotec!!

And that's why ISC ships are not chessy or uber.  Never have been, never will be. 

So there!! HMPH!!

 

[FPF-DieHard]

WHAT!!!   It's post like these that make me want to play other games.  The game sucks so much!!...How dare you say ISC ships are cheesy, and uber, and, and,....

You dipsomaniac, bashi-bazouk, Frog hater, vandal, space road-hog, nitwit, fililbusterer, abecedarian, baboon, bandit, duck-billed platypus, dunderhead, ectoplasm, egoist, fresh-water swab, fuzzy-wuzzy, gallows-fodder, gangster, honky-tonk highjacker, itty-bitty hydrocarbon, iconoclast, jellyfish judas, kleptomaniac, miserable earthworm, moth-eaten marmot, nicompoop nyclatop, odd-toed ungulate, overdressed windbagged ostrogoth, pickaroon pick-pocket, raggle-taggle ruminanted stool pigeon, squawking poppinjayed slave-trader, technocratted tin-can tyrant, Mountebanked visigoth, and treacherous zapotec!!

And that's why ISC ships are not chessy or uber.  Never have been, never will be. 

So there!! HMPH!!

 

For those of you who do not know Karnak as much as I do, he is a supreme wiseass, please take this with sarcasm.
 
The only thing ubalanced about the ISC is the Caveat III.  The CCZ, while being a monster BCH,  is easily "balanced" on an OOB server by the fact that the ISC DNs suck.

[el-Karnak]

WHAT!!!   It's post like these that make me want to play other games.  The game sucks so much!!...How dare you say ISC ships are cheesy, and uber, and, and,....

You dipsomaniac, bashi-bazouk, Frog hater, vandal, space road-hog, nitwit, fililbusterer, abecedarian, baboon, bandit, duck-billed platypus, dunderhead, ectoplasm, egoist, fresh-water swab, fuzzy-wuzzy, gallows-fodder, gangster, honky-tonk highjacker, itty-bitty hydrocarbon, iconoclast, jellyfish judas, kleptomaniac, miserable earthworm, moth-eaten marmot, nicompoop nyclatop, odd-toed ungulate, overdressed windbagged ostrogoth, pickaroon pick-pocket, raggle-taggle ruminanted stool pigeon, squawking poppinjayed slave-trader, technocratted tin-can tyrant, Mountebanked visigoth, and treacherous zapotec!!

And that's why ISC ships are not chessy or uber.  Never have been, never will be. 

So there!! HMPH!!

 

For those of you who do not know Karnak as much as I do, he is a supreme wiseass, please take this with sarcasm.
 
The only thing ubalanced about the ISC is the Caveat III.  The CCZ, while being a monster BCH,  is easily "balanced" on an OOB server by the fact that the ISC DNs suck.

Blue-Bellied Nerf-Herder!! 

Seriously speaking,  the ISC was designed by SFB to match or beat enemy ships in all classes, specifically the CL, CA, BCH classes, to form the echelon and not really become active by Late Era where they trounced the General War races.  The DD and below are simply throw away attrition units for the echelon gun-line so no big effort was made there to be efficient pacifiers in these classes.  The DN is all about the PPDs and is supposed to operate in big echelon fleets.  Put it by itself as happens all too often in SFC, and it sucks.

It's little surprise if other races have to stretch to match ISC vessels in the CL, CA and BCH classes.  If you use the ISC as SFB meant it to be used as a superior pacifying race that only the Andros could wreck then it all starts to fit.  So far, no dyna campaign has made an effort to put the ISC in this kind of role in late Middle Era thru Late Era.  When a dyna campaign does correlate the ISC with it's SFB roots in the proper campaign setting then it will truly make the Frogs be all that they can be.  Instead of being constantly a race that has to be curbed and controlled, left and right, so that it can fit in with the other General War races.  Sometimes the restrictions put on the ISC can be OTT and then ISC pilot morale goes down, as does ISC player participation.  All too often the bad SFB-to-SFC translations of some ISC ships are not taken seriously enough by the server admins., especially, those ships that were specifically designed for the echelon like the DN classes.

[Grim]

I agree the only problem i have with the ISC are their Caveat III, the damage they can inflict is ridiculous imo.

[762_XC]

I agree the only problem i have with the ISC are their Caveat III, the damage they can inflict is ridiculous imo.

This from a guy with Wasps in his avatar. 

+ karma for you Grim!

[FPF-DieHard]

I agree the only problem i have with the ISC are their Caveat III, the damage they can inflict is ridiculous imo.

This from a guy with Wasps in his avatar. 

+ karma for you Grim!

Huge difference, Hydran ships suck ass without fighters.  ISC are still the best on a class per class basis with the exception of the DNs.

[SSCF-LeRoy]

I agree the only problem i have with the ISC are their Caveat III, the damage they can inflict is ridiculous imo.

Then how did the ISC of SFB actually equip their fighters? For that matter, how did any of the plasma races fit out their fighters?

[762_XC]

F torps and D torps.

[FPF-DieHard]

I agree the only problem i have with the ISC are their Caveat III, the damage they can inflict is ridiculous imo.

Then how did the ISC of SFB actually equip their fighters? For that matter, how did any of the plasma races fit out their fighters?

ISC Fighters had plasma.   As do the Romulan and Gorn fighters.

D-toprs do not work but the Plasma F works great on fighters with the newest OP patches.  They may be the best anti-fighter fighters in the game now that they will fire the F-Torps at other fighters!