Topic: GW 3 News

[KAT J'inn]

I am shooting for a 8/21/2004 start date.   Why so late?

1)   OP+ 3.4 is on the horizon.

2)  We need to get FS' double fighter bug fix slaped into all the missions and tested on a test server

3)  Some of us need a break


SO what am I thinking for GW3??

1)  Basicaly same game play as GW2

2)  The Klingon's will have made some gains into Mirak space at kick off

3)   No "new" races for this one so it should have less issues.

4)  Small map  (GW1) sized

5) Same type of OOB set up and VC set up.

6) I kinda like some of Vaul's ideas . . .  thinking about them . . . .

7)  Need to screw over 762 and Hexx.    Hmmmm.   I'm open to ideas.

[Vaul]

Sounds good - how big was GW1? I wasn't playing at the time, hence my ignorance.

[Hexx]

Well I'll be flying with the KBF as my lackeys so I'm already kinda screwed over.

I have no dounts though that with my glorious speechifying and inspirational statue building program throughout the Klingon Empire that the bumpy headed ones will prevail.

After all  it's not like we're going to have any serious PvP competition...





Actually the 21st is a good start date, gives time to rest and should give me about 2 weeks with Doom3.
Also what year (game wise) does this one start and end in ?

[Vaul]

Should be starting in 2270, according to J'inn's GW site. Which puts the Klinks right on the Mirak homeworld's doorstep. (Two major raids were in late 2269 and Feb of 2270, accorrding to this).


As for when it's going to finish....ask the cat

EDIT: Must get my HTML right in future...

[Father Ted]

DH and J'inn, contact me on MSN when possible. I just had a stroke of genius!

[Hexx]

DH and J'inn, contact me on MSN when possible. I just had a stroke of genius!

To surrender before the server starts and save yourself some painfull humiliation?

[FireSoul]

I am shooting for a 8/21/2004 start date.   Why so late?
1)   OP+ 3.4 is on the horizon.

There's still so much left to do..  hmm..    I'll keep you posted. If it was within July, I would have said "go with 3.3".

-- Luc

[Hexx]

I am shooting for a 8/21/2004 start date.   Why so late?
1)   OP+ 3.4 is on the horizon.

There's still so much left to do..  hmm..    I'll keep you posted. If it was within July, I would have said "go with 3.3".

-- Luc

Well why don't we try for a 21/08 start date using 3.3 ? (Isn't 3.4 just adding some (D2 wise) unnecessary ships?
Or is there another important module you're including?

[Father Ted]

DH and J'inn, contact me on MSN when possible. I just had a stroke of genius!

To surrender before the server starts and save yourself some painfull humiliation?

Sorry shorty, but this is so diabolical that even Beelzebub couldn't come up with it, only our God in heaven.

Ted the Priest.

[FPF-AJTK]

Not that it counts for shat, but i vote for keeping the shiplist and OOB just like it was on GW2. The Dipshi$ aint doing any favors on LB5.

Be nice to fix that fighter bug alrighty.

[FPF-AJTK]

Hey Hexx, they gonna install a booster seat in your command chair so you can see over the Nav console?

THE BLUE PLAUGE, COMING SOON TO A GALAXY NEAR YOU!

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

How big a bribe to push the starting date back another week to aug. 28th so that I will be able to play? (aug. 7th would have been great)

"After all  it's not like we're going to have any serious PvP competition..."

 Er, not if you're in the mix from what I've seen....

[Hexx]

Hey Hexx, they gonna install a booster seat in your command chair so you can see over the Nav console?

Nah I just stand on all the bodies of people who've made cracks about the height thing.. kinda smelly but it's a Klink ship so...

THE BLUE PLAUGE, COMING SOON TO A GALAXY NEAR YOU!

IS THAT SOME KIND OF NEW MARY KAY COSMETIC??? 

[FPF-AJTK]

Dont you mean you stand on all the bodies of all your dead crewmembers YOUVE killed?

BTW:

Bearslayer"Hey Hexx, you notice were not allied?"

<Insert fusion cannon sounds here>

 

Gonna be FUN, no plasmas, no ppds, just dizzys and drones.

Time to dig out my starcastling tw@t tee-shirt.

[Vaul]

*Digs out the keys to the F-BCF*

No plasma, hm? We'll see about that...

[FPF-AJTK]

*Digs out the keys to the F-BCF*

No plasma, hm? We'll see about that...

I meant on the Klink side. Of course there is the BCF and the NAL, but Plas-F arent really that much of a threat. (Unless your fighting something with a "Z" on the end of its name.

[Vaul]

True...but even considering what a C7 could be capable of if you stuck an R torp in the nose.....


Still trying to decide what race to use in GW3. Went Fed during LB5 and Klink in GW2...haven't played Kitty in ages....

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

*Digs out the keys to the F-BCF*

No plasma, hm? We'll see about that...

I meant on the Klink side. Of course there is the BCF and the NAL, but Plas-F arent really that much of a threat. (Unless your fighting something with a "Z" on the end of its name.

I don't know.... once the AMD is used up... launch that SP to chase a plasma F.... really has a way of taking up PD phaser fire.

[FPF-AJTK]

Thats true, but fortunately klinks dont have plasma. I normally turn PD off vs plasma races, so you dont waste phaser power on em

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Agreed, that is why you fire plasma AND drones at them with the F-BCF or F-NAL (which is actually quite a nice ship, is there a CL version of that? ie with .67 move rate?)

[FPF-DieHard]

Agreed, that is why you fire plasma AND drones at them with the F-BCF or F-NAL (which is actually quite a nice ship, is there a CL version of that? ie with .67 move rate?)

Nope.

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Agreed, that is why you fire plasma AND drones at them with the F-BCF or F-NAL (which is actually quite a nice ship, is there a CL version of that? ie with .67 move rate?)

Nope.

Even if there was, I wouldn't fly it. I can't imagine an NAL (a ship that I flew alot on LB5) without the third warp (an NCL with plasma) working very well. Feel free to correct if I'm wrong

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

You wouldn't fly a F-CLC with 2 photon & 2 plasma F's?

[SSCF-LeRoy]

I may just do a shiplist mod of that and see how it works...

[FPF-DieHard]

You wouldn't fly a F-CLC with 2 photon & 2 plasma F's?

The 4 Photons are more useful. 

[Strafer]

You wouldn't fly a F-CLC with 2 photon & 2 plasma F's?

The 4 Photons are more useful. 

If you're closing in? Having something to suck up phaser fire will help reduce damage to you IMO.

[FPF-DieHard]

Depends on who you are fighting.  4 Proxies are much more useful than 2 for the distance game.

As far as getting up close and personal goes (klingons), leave the CLC at home.

[GDA-Agave]

F torps!!  You're getting excited over F torps.   Please.

You Feds need to learn how to use your own weapons, and not the ones you ripped off from other races.   Sure the F torp may be good for increasing your alpha on an AI mission, but you won't get close with that thing vs a player.    Well, not unless they are a starcastling twit. 

For those Feds that fly their traditional photon/phaser/drone ships, I salute you.


Agave
the "real" plasma chucker.

[762_XC]

F torps!!  You're getting excited over F torps.   Please.

You Feds need to learn how to use your own weapons, and not the ones you ripped off from other races.   Sure the F torp may be good for increasing your alpha on an AI mission, but you won't get close with that thing vs a player.    Well, not unless they are a starcastling twit. 

For those Feds that fly their traditional photon/phaser/drone ships, I salute you.


Agave
the "real" plasma chucker.

LMAO!! 

[SSCF-LeRoy]

DH is right; the ability to fire four proxies would be much more useful. Outside of short range, NALs and CLCs w/plasma would be all but useless. Now if one could somehow shoehorn in a couple plasma S in place of the F's...maybe with the addition of turret arcs...

 

[762_XC]

Now if one could somehow shoehorn in a couple plasma S in place of the F's...maybe with the addition of turret arcs...

 

Ya might as well fly Bruce sonny!

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Now if one could somehow shoehorn in a couple plasma S in place of the F's...maybe with the addition of turret arcs...

 

Ya might as well fly Bruce sonny!

Well, I am somewhat partial to the BF...

[GDA-Agave]

Now if one could somehow shoehorn in a couple plasma S in place of the F's...maybe with the addition of turret arcs...

 

Ya might as well fly Bruce sonny!

Well, I am somewhat partial to the BF...

Don't let Kroma hear you say that!!

He's been looking for a new "cabinboy"

[Evil Kraven]

*Digs out the keys to the F-BCF*

No plasma, hm? We'll see about that...

hmmm would we even see the fred BCF? that ship was at the romulan border I thought. not a sfc trekke here but had plenty of discusions on the bfc, should'nt the freds be flying the BCG instead?(better ship IMHO) or the freds addicted to two plasma F's?

"The Evil One"
Kraven

[Kroma BaSyl]

Now if one could somehow shoehorn in a couple plasma S in place of the F's...maybe with the addition of turret arcs...

 

Ya might as well fly Bruce sonny!

Well, I am somewhat partial to the BF...

I got your BF right here sweet cheeks.

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Now if one could somehow shoehorn in a couple plasma S in place of the F's...maybe with the addition of turret arcs...

 

Ya might as well fly Bruce sonny!

Well, I am somewhat partial to the BF...

Don't let Kroma hear you say that!!

He's been looking for a new "cabinboy"

I got your BF right here sweet cheeks.

Great. Now I got Likkerpig and Kroma on my tail...  

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

*Digs out the keys to the F-BCF*

No plasma, hm? We'll see about that...

hmmm would we even see the fred BCF? that ship was at the romulan border I thought. not a sfc trekke here but had plenty of discusions on the bfc, should'nt the freds be flying the BCG instead?(better ship IMHO) or the freds addicted to two plasma F's?

"The Evil One"
Kraven

No idea if a F-BCF was ever assigned to the klink front... but I feel it makes the ship more versitile and dangerous.

Besides, I like being in close when I can...

[Julin Eurthyr]

F torps!!  You're getting excited over F torps.   Please.

You Feds need to learn how to use your own weapons, and not the ones you ripped off from other races.   Sure the F torp may be good for increasing your alpha on an AI mission, but you won't get close with that thing vs a player.    Well, not unless they are a starcastling twit. 

For those Feds that fly their traditional photon/phaser/drone ships, I salute you.


Agave
the "real" plasma chucker.

Let's examine this post in detail, shall we...

Something tells me the "F" in F-torp means built by Feds, just like the "R" stands for Romulan and "G" stands for Gorn...
Silly Feds, they think they invented everything...

Saluting "Real" Feds in Photon / Drone / Phaser boats:  Are you sure you want to salute silly Mirak-wanna-be's that fly Fed Drone ships?  I view a real Fed ship as one who's heavy weapon is predominately the Photon Torpedo, even though it may have a few, maybe even a lot, of drones...

And you Gorn being "real plasma chuckers", that's a laugh.  It is a well-known fact that you need a trick to make plasma effective, like the Romulan Cloak or the PPD, in order to get the Plasma to hit.  Otherwise, you're just a big "plasma hucker", as you huck the plasma, praying that you've got enough distance on the throw to make it hit...

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Speakin' of Fed plasma ships, I was muckin' around on a sparcely populated stock EAW server a couple years back (in those days I didn't know about any of the forums and opperated under the handle "Douglas"), and through a client-side shiplist tweak I managed to replace my F-DNF's PlasF with a PlasR. Then on the maiden voyage, a planet assault, I crashed the ship into a planet, the first time I hit any sorta rock I guess that's what I git fer cheatin'

[FPF-AJTK]

Agave, I agree with you, I dont fly BCF (Rather have the 2 more drone racks for SPs on the BCG) or the NAL (Dont fly any warcrusier/new heavy) as the shield regen rates suck.

As for YOU, Julin da Frog, you guys stole the Plasma S AND plas F, all you guys ever invented was the PPD, I.E. "The Ronco CheeseWhiz Dispenser?" 

The Freds use all types of weapons as they fight all the types of weapons, basic SFB history. And yes, the BCG was Klink front, BCF was Romulan front.  Kinda would make sense to reverse that tho eh? Klink AMD wont stop a F, and most rommies dont have Plasd-D to stop drones, but thats not how they were operated.

Just a brief SFB history reminder, the Freds got Phas-G from the Hydrans in exchange for help during the General War, and the Gorn traded Plas-F for Federation Ships and FIGHTERS! Yes, thats right sports fans, in SFB, the Gorns had Fed CVL's (IIRC the ones made from GSC) and F-18 fighters.

Fed drone fighters and PF's with plasmas... Ummm, get me some crackers for all this cheese!

Hey Diehard, lets see if we can bribe J'inn into putting those "Conjectural" Fed PF's into GW3! 

[Vaul]

Fed PFs? Do tell......

[FPF-AJTK]

Fed PFs? Do tell......

Oh yes, put out by ADB but ONLY as "Conjectural" as in Fed development designed them but they were never implemented...

Just imagine a flotilla of PF's with P-1 and photons, each one bascially a miniature FF/FFG (cant remember if they had drone racks or not)

DH is talking to someone (cant remember who) about running a server with the Fred PF's on it! <drool> A REAL Fred SCS! Fighters AND PF's! 'Scuse me, I gotta run to the bathroom for some alone time!

[GDA-Agave]

Ok, Julin, now my reponse to your post,

Saluting "Real" Feds in Photon / Drone / Phaser boats:  Are you sure you want to salute silly Mirak-wanna-be's that fly Fed Drone ships?  I view a real Fed ship as one who's heavy weapon is predominately the Photon Torpedo, even though it may have a few, maybe even a lot, of drones...

My salute to Feds who fly photon/phaser/drone boats means the traditional ships which use drones as secondary weapons, i.e. 2 racks on most, 4 racks on DNs.  I was not including the Drone variant (i.e. 6 racks).   IMHO, anyone who predominately flys those ships might as well sign up as Mirak.   Hey, sometimes they do come in handy, planet assaults, running up DV behind the front lines, etc..  They have their place, I just think you're missing the real flavor of the Feds is that is the only ship you will fly.

And you Gorn being "real plasma chuckers", that's a laugh.  It is a well-known fact that you need a trick to make plasma effective, like the Romulan Cloak or the PPD, in order to get the Plasma to hit. 

Actually, your point here just proves that we are the "real plasma chuckers".  We don't have to hide behind any additional "trick" weapons.    We fly with ONLY plasma and phasers.   We bring it to straight to our enemies with only that.   Your ISC ships would be nothing special without your PPD and Caveat 3 fighters to really make them work.   Without those niffy little items your ships would be second rate plasma ships at best.   Don't get me wrong here, I don't mind most ISC ships, it just the ones that combine PPD and plasma that really seem OTT to me, and such ships as the CCY (borderline), CCZ & BCV (hey, it's got all 3, plasma, PPD, and ftrs) need to be reclassed as DNs.   Until then, keep you biased, superiority drimble to yourself.  I'm sick of hearing it.

As for the Romulans and their cloak.   The cloak has become a bit more cheesy with the newest patch, but I believe that it is closer to what it was like in SFB.   And IMHO, any Rom who cloaks in a PvP plasma match has balls, and I salute them.   Only 2 things I have problems with Roms, their KHK is a pocketdred (c'mon guys, give me a break), and their cloaking bases.   With the new patch, cloaking bases are just nuts.   Other than those little items, the Roms fly straight up and I respect them.

I'm not forgetting our PFs.   Some say the Gorn PFs are cheesy.   Well, the last patch sure fixed that now that they fire 1 F-torp per turn.  The PFdLs in LB5 were nice, but without those variants they are just a cute change. 

Enough said.

Agave

[Julin Eurthyr]

And you Gorn being "real plasma chuckers", that's a laugh.  It is a well-known fact that you need a trick to make plasma effective, like the Romulan Cloak or the PPD, in order to get the Plasma to hit. 

Actually, your point here just proves that we are the "real plasma chuckers".  We don't have to hide behind any additional "trick" weapons.    We fly with ONLY plasma and phasers.   We bring it to straight to our enemies with only that.   Your ISC ships would be nothing special without your PPD and Caveat 3 fighters to really make them work.   Without those niffy little items your ships would be second rate plasma ships at best.   Don't get me wrong here, I don't mind most ISC ships, it just the ones that combine PPD and plasma that really seem OTT to me, and such ships as the CCY (borderline), CCZ & BCV (hey, it's got all 3, plasma, PPD, and ftrs) need to be reclassed as DNs.   Until then, keep you biased, superiority drimble to yourself.  I'm sick of hearing it.

As for the Romulans and their cloak.   The cloak has become a bit more cheesy with the newest patch, but I believe that it is closer to what it was like in SFB.   And IMHO, any Rom who cloaks in a PvP plasma match has balls, and I salute them.   Only 2 things I have problems with Roms, their KHK is a pocketdred (c'mon guys, give me a break), and their cloaking bases.   With the new patch, cloaking bases are just nuts.   Other than those little items, the Roms fly straight up and I respect them.

I'm not forgetting our PFs.   Some say the Gorn PFs are cheesy.   Well, the last patch sure fixed that now that they fire 1 F-torp per turn.  The PFdLs in LB5 were nice, but without those variants they are just a cute change. 

Enough said.

Agave

Ahem.

I hoped the twin smilies, especially after the 2 eviller sections, were a tip-off about the tounge-in-cheek-ness I used in the post.

Sorry if I offended instead.

I'll concede Taldren's choice of heavy weapon for the ISC fighters (gatling phasers or Ph-2s) leads to overpowered fighters, especially if the fighter-phasers are still semi-bugged.
I'll concede pure Plasma / Phaser ships (all Gorn, ISC of FF, DD or CL line, as the CS-line has PPDs) have a hard time landing the plasma.

Hence my choice of words.  I've always viewed a "chuck" as a soft-toss, while a "hurl" is what you do to a shot-put, ie, send it as far as you can...

Rommies and ISC are designed to soft-toss plasma at targets which are brought close by our tricks, while Gorn have to often hurl them to maximum ranges in order to get them a chance to impact.  Either that, or they have to hurl their ships right into the line of fire to get close enough to land a shot, via the Gorn Anchor...

All races have a tough road to hoe, in their own ways.  Gorn always have, and always will, have a tough time landing plasma.

And if you didn't notice, the DIP calls the CCZ a "carrier", up with quite a few DNs and DNHs, and our BCV is one step short of a full-blown BB.  I am not sitting in the DIP looking for a break on these ships.  That's where they belong, in the completely impartial formula established prior to the ships being considered.  Just as you're sick of "holier-than-thou" players, I'm sick of everyone calling my fleet cheese.  I don't fly ISC cause their cheesy, I fly ISC because of something that started with me back on the I-play boards.  It just so happens that I happen to like their ships, now that I've been exposed to them.

And if you think I truly am a "holier-than-thou" player, I'll remember that stance the next time someone suggests an improvement to Gorn ships.  I recall being right in there saying the Gorn need some more power when it was considered a year or 2 ago...

[alfman]

And if you think I truly am a "holier-than-thou" player, I'll remember that stance the next time someone suggests an improvement to Gorn ships.  I recall being right in there saying the Gorn need some more power when it was considered a year or 2 ago...

I actually think you are a good player and a fair person. All races have ships that are cheesy at times. In Mid and late the Gorn have a tough row to hoe against the ISC, but in early I think we have better ships ( Notice : this MY opinion). Hydrans would probably have a better chance against ISC in mid and late. The G-BCS loaded with a PfLd and 3 PFd's is a match for the Caveat III fighters, in my opinion. Yes you have a better BCH, but so do the Roms(they have 2 better than ours) .

I would just like to spend more time in early era( I know it makes me in the minority). We  have spent more time in late era and that is where the imbalance seems greatest. I hold nothing against any ISC player,

[GDA-Agave]

Ahem.

I hoped the twin smilies, especially after the 2 eviller sections, were a tip-off about the tounge-in-cheek-ness I used in the post.

Sorry if I offended instead.

I'll concede Taldren's choice of heavy weapon for the ISC fighters (gatling phasers or Ph-2s) leads to overpowered fighters, especially if the fighter-phasers are still semi-bugged.
I'll concede pure Plasma / Phaser ships (all Gorn, ISC of FF, DD or CL line, as the CS-line has PPDs) have a hard time landing the plasma.

Hence my choice of words.  I've always viewed a "chuck" as a soft-toss, while a "hurl" is what you do to a shot-put, ie, send it as far as you can...

Rommies and ISC are designed to soft-toss plasma at targets which are brought close by our tricks, while Gorn have to often hurl them to maximum ranges in order to get them a chance to impact.  Either that, or they have to hurl their ships right into the line of fire to get close enough to land a shot, via the Gorn Anchor...

All races have a tough road to hoe, in their own ways.  Gorn always have, and always will, have a tough time landing plasma.

And if you didn't notice, the DIP calls the CCZ a "carrier", up with quite a few DNs and DNHs, and our BCV is one step short of a full-blown BB.  I am not sitting in the DIP looking for a break on these ships.  That's where they belong, in the completely impartial formula established prior to the ships being considered.  Just as you're sick of "holier-than-thou" players, I'm sick of everyone calling my fleet cheese.  I don't fly ISC cause their cheesy, I fly ISC because of something that started with me back on the I-play boards.  It just so happens that I happen to like their ships, now that I've been exposed to them.

And if you think I truly am a "holier-than-thou" player, I'll remember that stance the next time someone suggests an improvement to Gorn ships.  I recall being right in there saying the Gorn need some more power when it was considered a year or 2 ago...

Well, I appreciate your further explanation of your earlier post.    You did not offend, but seemed to have landed squarely on an exposed nerve.   I certainly do apologize for my phrase "biased, superiortiy drimble".  It was uncalled for, and certainly by your explanation, I see completely offbase.

As for your ISC ship being known as "cheesy".   I have always thought that was the way our community pointed the finger at items they felt had balancing issues.   I certainly did notice the DIP classification of the CCZ and BCV, and I thought this certainly was a good step in the right direction.   All I have ever wanted was a balanced shiplist (CA vs CA, CL vs CL, etc) that would allow PvP matches to be decided by pilot skill.  

Anyway, sorry for any misunderstanding.   Thanks for reading my post with an open mind and explaining yourself further.   Please forgive me for making you a target of my recent frustrations.

Agave

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Please forgive me for making you a target of my recent frustrations.

Agave

Yes that is my job Julian, as a bartender and Agave's longtime friend.

Why just the other day he came into my bar and was venting his frustrations on me.

Agave:  Chuut!  Chuut!  Leave those strippers from next door for a second and get me a drink will you?

Chuut:  Yes ladies, I guess I can find time to swing by the club for a couple of drinks, but please, this time let me pay for my own drinks ok?  I mean its nice of you to buy em for me but you work hard for the money and I wouldn't want you not to be able to afford those nice leather......

Agave:  CHUUT!  Get your butt over here!  NOW!!!!

Chuut:  If you will excuse me for a minute Angelic, Jasmine, and of course the lovely....

Agave:  CHUUT!!!!!

Chuut:  Sheesh!  ok bro whats the urgent matter!

Agave:  The ISC have been posting about....

Chuut:  PPD, Plasma torps, pfs.......<shakes head in sympathy and takes down Ceurvo 1800 bottle and begins pouring tequilla into a pint beer glass>

Agave:  <gulps down entire glass and stretches for a refill>  Yup its that same old thing, you know that "sensitive spot"

Chuut:  Hmmmm.....this might take a while I guess, whaddya say we go next door and join the girls for a drink there and you can tell Chuut all about it and you will have my full attention......well at least all attention not involving sight and touch.

<3 hours later>

Agave:  And then the Monkeyboys took our F-Torp and are claiming the F stands for Federation instead of Frog Gigging, the nerve........Ummm my glass is empty again....

Waitress:  I'm sorry sir but we are now out of Tequilla <gestures at multiple empty bottles in front of Agave.

Agave: WHAT????  NO MORE TEQUILLA????

Chuut:  <looking out between 2 ladies on his lap>  Oh you shouldn't have said that sweetie.

Agave NO MORE TEQUILLA!!!!!

Chuut:  Damn!...this could get ugly.......Wait!, Ummm Agave, friend, they still have some don't you sweat it!  Just let Chuut handle this.

Chuut:  <whispers to waitress>  Follow my lead, trust me its all for the better

Chuut:  They still got Tequilla bro, its just in a mix with other liquors premade, besides you might even like it mixed properly, I'll go speak to the bartender, she's a good friend of mine and will set you up right.

Agave:  Well,.....you know I prefer it straight, but as long as it has tequilla in it it cant be all bad.

Chuut:  Fiona, you and Candy keep Agave happy while I'm gone, don't worry I'll be back soon and he's too drunk to grope much.

<Chuut goes to bar>

Ok, Precious, I need you to find me some illegal drugs from the girls dressing room, we both know they are there, so don't deny it.  Get as many as possible and mix them with some pineapple and coconut and stick lots of garnishes and some assorted fruit juices and ice cream.  Blend em up and fill your biggest glass.  Wait that wont be big enough, just hollow out that pineapple over there.

Precious:  I can't do that!  Its against....

Chuut:  Look darlin' see that big Gorn over there?  He's drunk 7 bottles of Tequilla and is just drunk enough to ignore a phaser on heavy stun as he goes looking for a secret tequilla stash in the bar.....Comprende?

Well to make a long story short  Agave felt much better, Chuut was glad he was using M'ress's Patriarch credit account number (Thanks J'inn ), and now Agave only orders pretty drinks in pineapples with lots of umbrellas in them, I think he's still drugged actually, but hell, the grin on his face makes it all worthwhile (not to mention all those GW3 Klingon battleplans he gave me  .

P.S.  I understand hes going to be changing his sig pic to this:





<SNICKER>

[FPF-DieHard]

I would just like to spend more time in early era( I know it makes me in the minority). We  have spent more time in late era and that is where the imbalance seems greatest. I hold nothing against any ISC player,

You're not the only one.   This game goes all downhill as soon as 2280 hits.

[Julin Eurthyr]

Agave...

Apology accepted.  My humor just dragged me right into the line of fire...

(looks around stash of items picked up from Litterbox 5, including the cases of Tequilla gathered from convoy raids in the 12,19 area...)

Here (hands Agave a case of Tequilla from said area), have a case on me.  I figured that I may have just cought you on a bad day...

[GDA-Agave]

Hey, get away from my tequila stores.   I knew a couple of those freightors felt a little lite.

Damn thieving bastiches.

I'll have to cut back for an hour or so.

Damn, life's little inconveniences.


Agave

[Julin Eurthyr]

I would never dare touch a Gorn's already-stashed Tequilla...

However, when an operation gets named Tequilla, and all of a sudden the tequilla convoys start moving through there, you're bound to pick up a case or 500 before the freighters are scuttled during the necessary convoy raids...

[el-Karnak]

Ahem.

I hoped the twin smilies, especially after the 2 eviller sections, were a tip-off about the tounge-in-cheek-ness I used in the post.

Sorry if I offended instead.

I'll concede Taldren's choice of heavy weapon for the ISC fighters (gatling phasers or Ph-2s) leads to overpowered fighters, especially if the fighter-phasers are still semi-bugged.
I'll concede pure Plasma / Phaser ships (all Gorn, ISC of FF, DD or CL line, as the CS-line has PPDs) have a hard time landing the plasma.

Hence my choice of words.  I've always viewed a "chuck" as a soft-toss, while a "hurl" is what you do to a shot-put, ie, send it as far as you can...

Rommies and ISC are designed to soft-toss plasma at targets which are brought close by our tricks, while Gorn have to often hurl them to maximum ranges in order to get them a chance to impact.  Either that, or they have to hurl their ships right into the line of fire to get close enough to land a shot, via the Gorn Anchor...

All races have a tough road to hoe, in their own ways.  Gorn always have, and always will, have a tough time landing plasma.

And if you didn't notice, the DIP calls the CCZ a "carrier", up with quite a few DNs and DNHs, and our BCV is one step short of a full-blown BB.  I am not sitting in the DIP looking for a break on these ships.  That's where they belong, in the completely impartial formula established prior to the ships being considered.  Just as you're sick of "holier-than-thou" players, I'm sick of everyone calling my fleet cheese.  I don't fly ISC cause their cheesy, I fly ISC because of something that started with me back on the I-play boards.  It just so happens that I happen to like their ships, now that I've been exposed to them.

And if you think I truly am a "holier-than-thou" player, I'll remember that stance the next time someone suggests an improvement to Gorn ships.  I recall being right in there saying the Gorn need some more power when it was considered a year or 2 ago...

Well, I appreciate your further explanation of your earlier post.    You did not offend, but seemed to have landed squarely on an exposed nerve.   I certainly do apologize for my phrase "biased, superiortiy drimble".  It was uncalled for, and certainly by your explanation, I see completely offbase.

As for your ISC ship being known as "cheesy".   I have always thought that was the way our community pointed the finger at items they felt had balancing issues.   I certainly did notice the DIP classification of the CCZ and BCV, and I thought this certainly was a good step in the right direction.   All I have ever wanted was a balanced shiplist (CA vs CA, CL vs CL, etc) that would allow PvP matches to be decided by pilot skill.  

Anyway, sorry for any misunderstanding.   Thanks for reading my post with an open mind and explaining yourself further.   Please forgive me for making you a target of my recent frustrations.

Agave

WHAT!!!   It's post like these that make me want to play other games.  The game sucks so much!!...How dare you say ISC ships are cheesy, and uber, and, and,....

You dipsomaniac, bashi-bazouk, Frog hater, vandal, space road-hog, nitwit, fililbusterer, abecedarian, baboon, bandit, duck-billed platypus, dunderhead, ectoplasm, egoist, fresh-water swab, fuzzy-wuzzy, gallows-fodder, gangster, honky-tonk highjacker, itty-bitty hydrocarbon, iconoclast, jellyfish judas, kleptomaniac, miserable earthworm, moth-eaten marmot, nicompoop nyclatop, odd-toed ungulate, overdressed windbagged ostrogoth, pickaroon pick-pocket, raggle-taggle ruminanted stool pigeon, squawking poppinjayed slave-trader, technocratted tin-can tyrant, Mountebanked visigoth, and treacherous zapotec!!

And that's why ISC ships are not chessy or uber.  Never have been, never will be. 

So there!! HMPH!!

 

[FPF-DieHard]

WHAT!!!   It's post like these that make me want to play other games.  The game sucks so much!!...How dare you say ISC ships are cheesy, and uber, and, and,....

You dipsomaniac, bashi-bazouk, Frog hater, vandal, space road-hog, nitwit, fililbusterer, abecedarian, baboon, bandit, duck-billed platypus, dunderhead, ectoplasm, egoist, fresh-water swab, fuzzy-wuzzy, gallows-fodder, gangster, honky-tonk highjacker, itty-bitty hydrocarbon, iconoclast, jellyfish judas, kleptomaniac, miserable earthworm, moth-eaten marmot, nicompoop nyclatop, odd-toed ungulate, overdressed windbagged ostrogoth, pickaroon pick-pocket, raggle-taggle ruminanted stool pigeon, squawking poppinjayed slave-trader, technocratted tin-can tyrant, Mountebanked visigoth, and treacherous zapotec!!

And that's why ISC ships are not chessy or uber.  Never have been, never will be. 

So there!! HMPH!!

 

For those of you who do not know Karnak as much as I do, he is a supreme wiseass, please take this with sarcasm.
 
The only thing ubalanced about the ISC is the Caveat III.  The CCZ, while being a monster BCH,  is easily "balanced" on an OOB server by the fact that the ISC DNs suck.

[el-Karnak]

WHAT!!!   It's post like these that make me want to play other games.  The game sucks so much!!...How dare you say ISC ships are cheesy, and uber, and, and,....

You dipsomaniac, bashi-bazouk, Frog hater, vandal, space road-hog, nitwit, fililbusterer, abecedarian, baboon, bandit, duck-billed platypus, dunderhead, ectoplasm, egoist, fresh-water swab, fuzzy-wuzzy, gallows-fodder, gangster, honky-tonk highjacker, itty-bitty hydrocarbon, iconoclast, jellyfish judas, kleptomaniac, miserable earthworm, moth-eaten marmot, nicompoop nyclatop, odd-toed ungulate, overdressed windbagged ostrogoth, pickaroon pick-pocket, raggle-taggle ruminanted stool pigeon, squawking poppinjayed slave-trader, technocratted tin-can tyrant, Mountebanked visigoth, and treacherous zapotec!!

And that's why ISC ships are not chessy or uber.  Never have been, never will be. 

So there!! HMPH!!

 

For those of you who do not know Karnak as much as I do, he is a supreme wiseass, please take this with sarcasm.
 
The only thing ubalanced about the ISC is the Caveat III.  The CCZ, while being a monster BCH,  is easily "balanced" on an OOB server by the fact that the ISC DNs suck.

Blue-Bellied Nerf-Herder!! 

Seriously speaking,  the ISC was designed by SFB to match or beat enemy ships in all classes, specifically the CL, CA, BCH classes, to form the echelon and not really become active by Late Era where they trounced the General War races.  The DD and below are simply throw away attrition units for the echelon gun-line so no big effort was made there to be efficient pacifiers in these classes.  The DN is all about the PPDs and is supposed to operate in big echelon fleets.  Put it by itself as happens all too often in SFC, and it sucks.

It's little surprise if other races have to stretch to match ISC vessels in the CL, CA and BCH classes.  If you use the ISC as SFB meant it to be used as a superior pacifying race that only the Andros could wreck then it all starts to fit.  So far, no dyna campaign has made an effort to put the ISC in this kind of role in late Middle Era thru Late Era.  When a dyna campaign does correlate the ISC with it's SFB roots in the proper campaign setting then it will truly make the Frogs be all that they can be.  Instead of being constantly a race that has to be curbed and controlled, left and right, so that it can fit in with the other General War races.  Sometimes the restrictions put on the ISC can be OTT and then ISC pilot morale goes down, as does ISC player participation.  All too often the bad SFB-to-SFC translations of some ISC ships are not taken seriously enough by the server admins., especially, those ships that were specifically designed for the echelon like the DN classes.

[Grim]

I agree the only problem i have with the ISC are their Caveat III, the damage they can inflict is ridiculous imo.

[762_XC]

I agree the only problem i have with the ISC are their Caveat III, the damage they can inflict is ridiculous imo.

This from a guy with Wasps in his avatar. 

+ karma for you Grim!

[FPF-DieHard]

I agree the only problem i have with the ISC are their Caveat III, the damage they can inflict is ridiculous imo.

This from a guy with Wasps in his avatar. 

+ karma for you Grim!

Huge difference, Hydran ships suck ass without fighters.  ISC are still the best on a class per class basis with the exception of the DNs.

[SSCF-LeRoy]

I agree the only problem i have with the ISC are their Caveat III, the damage they can inflict is ridiculous imo.

Then how did the ISC of SFB actually equip their fighters? For that matter, how did any of the plasma races fit out their fighters?

[762_XC]

F torps and D torps.

[FPF-DieHard]

I agree the only problem i have with the ISC are their Caveat III, the damage they can inflict is ridiculous imo.

Then how did the ISC of SFB actually equip their fighters? For that matter, how did any of the plasma races fit out their fighters?

ISC Fighters had plasma.   As do the Romulan and Gorn fighters.

D-toprs do not work but the Plasma F works great on fighters with the newest OP patches.  They may be the best anti-fighter fighters in the game now that they will fire the F-Torps at other fighters! 

[Julin Eurthyr]

DH.

This is the concern I have with fighters:

The Plasma-D was supposed to be the ISC's fighter HW.  It is supposed to be a 1/2 strength Pl-F.  Sadly, it has it's issues related to "drone speeds".

I am afraid that putting actual Pl-Fs on the Caveats and Torts will start another issue.  That the ISC gets full-strength HWs while the rest of the fighter races are stuck with their 1/2 strength editions.

Nevermind the fact that a CVAs fighter squadron can hurt like a full-pack of Gorn or Rommie PFs, and our bigger carriers have 3 or 4 squadrons...

[likkerpig]

Good posts Karnak. Yes, I actually got your humor and you made some valid points. Made me think of the old days when the ISC were a force that was feared. (Yes I flew them for a server.... Hydran and Gorn too!)
Sigh, the old days...
when feds were a plague
klingons were tempermental... (snicker)
roms were sneaky (spqr didn't exist though)
mirak were a pain in the ass (still are...)
ahh, ya know the rest.

[FPF-DieHard]

DH.


I am afraid that putting actual Pl-Fs on the Caveats and Torts will start another issue.  That the ISC gets full-strength HWs while the rest of the fighter races are stuck with their 1/2 strength editions.

That is a cop out Julin.  Plasma Fs on fighters are not nearly as bad as 3 PH-G.

[Julin Eurthyr]

What makes you say that?

I haven't poked around with Pl-F fighters yet.  How do they do on a head-on approach, launching Pl-F from range 8 or so (harassment setting) into a head-on target.

The Cav III at range 8 is lucky to do 10-20 points of damage, mostly from Ph-2s.  They're only severely dangerous once they get into close range and the gats come into play.  It's entirely possible that 4 Pl-F fighters that launch F-torps at range 8 can do 80 damage.

Like I said, I'm worried about the replacement being called "just as cheesy" or "cheeisier" than the current slop we have.  Prove to me that Pl-Fs will make the fighters less-cheesy but keep them on a par with the rest of the fighter races and I'll gladly champion to have them adopted, and have the ISC's fighter squadrons brought into line with the standard SFC conversion rates...

Like you have already said, the Pl-F fighter will still be the ultimate anti-fighter / PF unit on the board with the new patch...

[FPF-DieHard]

What makes you say that?

I haven't poked around with Pl-F fighters yet.  How do they do on a head-on approach, launching Pl-F from range 8 or so (harassment setting) into a head-on target.

The Cav III at range 8 is lucky to do 10-20 points of damage, mostly from Ph-2s.  They're only severely dangerous once they get into close range and the gats come into play.  It's entirely possible that 4 Pl-F fighters that launch F-torps at range 8 can do 80 damage.

Like I said, I'm worried about the replacement being called "just as cheesy" or "cheeisier" than the current slop we have.  Prove to me that Pl-Fs will make the fighters less-cheesy but keep them on a par with the rest of the fighter races and I'll gladly champion to have them adopted, and have the ISC's fighter squadrons brought into line with the standard SFC conversion rates...

Like you have already said, the Pl-F fighter will still be the ultimate anti-fighter / PF unit on the board with the new patch...

Proove to you in the forums?   No, what we post here is BS, the onle valid test is combat.  Next time we do a test of the SGODev stuff I'll make sure you get a copy.

I have flown Plasm F fighters a LOT.   I can tell you from experience, they are a hell of a lot better balanced than Caveats.   Fire them on "Defend" they will rape a target up close but will not take shields down form range 15.

10-20 points from range 8 is cheesy as hell    Actually, I think the Phaser 2 on fighters is broken and does too much damge as Hydran fighters do not do this.

[KAT J'inn]

Map is done and ready for feedback from Lord Krueg et al.    I'll get it to Die Hard so he can slap it up on a test server.

Please check for obvious boo boos.   Planets in nebulas, etc.

Working on shiplist tonight.

[FPF-DieHard]

What missions should I use?

[762_XC]

Stock.


















j/k 

[Max Power]

The Freds use all types of weapons as they fight all the types of weapons, basic SFB history. And yes, the BCG was Klink front, BCF was Romulan front.  Kinda would make sense to reverse that tho eh? Klink AMD wont stop a F, and most rommies dont have Plasd-D to stop drones, but thats not how they were operated.

Just a brief SFB history reminder, the Freds got Phas-G from the Hydrans in exchange for help during the General War, and the Gorn traded Plas-F for Federation Ships and FIGHTERS! Yes, thats right sports fans, in SFB, the Gorns had Fed CVL's (IIRC the ones made from GSC) and F-18 fighters.

Fed drone fighters and PF's with plasmas... Ummm, get me some crackers for all this cheese!

Hey Diehard, lets see if we can bribe J'inn into putting those "Conjectural" Fed PF's into GW3! 

Oh yes, put out by ADB but ONLY as "Conjectural" as in Fed development designed them but they were never implemented...

Just imagine a flotilla of PF's with P-1 and photons, each one bascially a miniature FF/FFG (cant remember if they had drone racks or not)

DH is talking to someone (cant remember who) about running a server with the Fred PF's on it! <drool> A REAL Fred SCS! Fighters AND PF's! 'Scuse me, I gotta run to the bathroom for some alone time!

AJTK correction post:

1. Feds got gatling phasers from the only ship in the expedition that "reached" fed space, which IIRC was a Knight DD. It was a destroyed hulk in the neutral zone. However the gatlings were intact and they salvaged the design. The Kingdom got nothing. This is why gatling designs show up fairly late, because it was after the failed expedition.

2. The Gorn never operated federation ships. Their carrier designs are based off of their own hulls, mainly the BC hull for the CV (the largest gorn carrier in service until the BCS). Gorn however couldn't fit into single space sized fighters due to their size, so they used Skolean mercenaries (a federation world) to pilot their fighters. It is true that mostly the gorn operated federation fighters, and made plasma torps available to the federation in return (so to speak). Though the Gorn got many more fighters than the feds got plasma launchers. It should also be noted that the Gorn preferred different fighter designs than the feds used when they could get them from the feds (IE, the G-12 instead of the G-18 (F-18)). They did operate their own heavy fighters (2 space shuttles) of their own design, the G-30 and G-32. At no time did the gorn ever use drones on their carriers; Gorn fighters are armed with Plasma-F (BTW, for those that don't know, from the earliest versions of SFB, the F in plasma F stands for fighter - it was one of the original fighter weapons), Plasma-D, and Plasma-K. Heavy assault fighters (G-10, gorn version of the A-10) are armed with the plasma-F, while the dogfight type series (G-18, G-20, G-12) are armed with plasma-D and plasma-K.

3. As noted, federation PFs are conjectural. In module K, it notes that the federation never even considered them, no came up with a design. However, it speculates that if they had it would have looked similar to kzin PFs and they would have looked like XXX, etc. Federation instead operated heavy fighters, specifically the A-20 and F-111. The feds do have an SCS, and it's in the shiplist already (though without the correct fighter wing that made it what it is). The fed SCS had 12 F-14, 12 F-18, and 6 A-20 fighters (IE, 36 spaces of them). The A-20 was armed with photons while the F-111 was armed with drones; however, the F-111 had a bomb bay that could carry multiple configurations of weapons (drones, T-Bombs, ECM pods, etc). Both are very dangerous, though not as dangerous as a PF.


Edit: FYI, the movers are coming tomarrow for me, so I'll be gone for a bit until everything is completed. Don't start any interesting flame fests after saturday until I return

[KAT J'inn]

What missions should I use?

I haven't been following the news on the mission bug fixes.


Ummm,   do we have any that work??   LOL.

[FPF-DieHard]

What missions should I use?

I haven't been following the news on the mission bug fixes.


Ummm,   do we have any that work??   LOL.

Heck, I can "make" the GW2 misions work be restricting out the AI carriers.  i would like to do this anyway so I can slap in a few EEK patrols (which FS's fix does not work on as they generat AI in a different manner than ED). 

The Current ED and EEK packs are still WIPs but I can force them to work, I'll throw something together this weekend based on whatever is current.   Then we test the crap out of it.

[el-Karnak]

What missions should I use?

I haven't been following the news on the mission bug fixes.


Ummm,   do we have any that work??   LOL.

Heck, I can "make" the GW2 misions work be restricting out the AI carriers.  i would like to do this anyway so I can slap in a few EEK patrols (which FS's fix does not work on as they generat AI in a different manner than ED). 

The Current ED and EEK packs are still WIPs but I can force them to work, I'll throw something together this weekend based on whatever is current.   Then we test the crap out of it.

FS's fixes what has already been fixed in the stock missions and their modified clones which means they don't, won't and can't AI strip. In other words, nothing has been fixed.  Just saying something has been fixed does not mean it's fixed if it already has been fixed meaning nothing was fixed because it was already fixed until you run some code that has not been fixed even though some people say it has been fixed until the fixed code has been run then it won't be fixed consequently you've all been "fixed", which can hurt sometimes, especially if you are a man, I've heard. *snicker*

*Frog takes off glasses, raises top hat, waves slick cane and sings very loudly: "Hello my honey, hello my life-long friend..." and dances off-stage*

[FPF-DieHard]

Let me translate from Frog to English . . .

because of what Karnak did to get AI-stripping to work, the "fix" for the double fight bug the FS discovered for the ED mission does not work because AI are generated and handled in a different manner.

[FPF-DieHard]

J'inn, I should be home around 10 PM tonight, look for me on MSN if you are available.

[KAT J'inn]

J'inn, I should be home around 10 PM tonight, look for me on MSN if you are available.

I won't be around then.   I refuse to say why because it will result in people pointing and laughing at me.

However, I plan on getting some work done earlier.    I'll email the map and whatever else I do tonight.


As for the shiplist and fighter list . . .     Do I use OP+3.3 or wait for 3.4??

[FPF-DieHard]

J'inn, I should be home around 10 PM tonight, look for me on MSN if you are available.

I won't be around then.   I refuse to say why because it will result in people pointing and laughing at me.

However, I plan on getting some work done earlier.    I'll email the map and whatever else I do tonight.


As for the shiplist and fighter list . . .     Do I use OP+3.3 or wait for 3.4??

OP+ 3.3.   IF FS Realease 3.4 before the server goes live, I'll convert.

PS.  Email it to me, i will post it for public consumption after i have changed the spare parts and added the PFs.

[KAT J'inn]

J'inn, I should be home around 10 PM tonight, look for me on MSN if you are available.

I won't be around then.   I refuse to say why because it will result in people pointing and laughing at me.

However, I plan on getting some work done earlier.    I'll email the map and whatever else I do tonight.


As for the shiplist and fighter list . . .     Do I use OP+3.3 or wait for 3.4??

OP+ 3.3.   IF FS Realease 3.4 before the server goes live, I'll convert.

PS.  Email it to me, i will post it for public consumption after i have changed the spare parts and added the PFs.

Just in case I don't have a copy at home . . .  can I have a linky to a clean copy of 3.3 shiplist?   I don't need the fighter list I suppose.



P.S.   No need for you to convert Die Hard.   While I'm sure any Rabbi would be pleased to have you at his Temple (they love a good challange)  I don't think you would like the Bris requirement.  <snicker>

 

[FPF-DieHard]

Check your email

[FPF-DieHard]

Hey Flea-bag, I got a rejection notice on the first attemtpt to send you the file. 


Is you hotmail account full?

[KAT J'inn]

Hey Flea-bag, I got a rejection notice on the first attemtpt to send you the file. 


Is you hotmail account full?

Yeah,  762 keeps sending me pr0n.   He's a sick puppy.

I'll send you an alternative addy.

[762_XC]

Payback time.

[SSCF-LeRoy]

Insurance against J'inn's comp backup issues: stock OP+ 3.3 shiplist and ftrlist.

[FireSoul]

Insurance against J'inn's comp backup issues: stock OP+ 3.3 shiplist and ftrlist.

Dated May 30th. Sounds like that's been there for a while and was packaged up for a different reason than this.