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Offline KBF-Nail

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Andromedans???
« on: July 21, 2004, 06:25:47 pm »
Which Modules for SFB are they in?  Have never played SFB but would like too read up on Andros ships and there history any ideas?

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2004, 06:28:29 pm »
http://www.starfleetstore.com/MERCHANT2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=5602 which is the link to order C2.

There's also stuff on them in captain's logs, of course.

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2004, 06:39:41 pm »
thnx!  so for the And Ships how many tr beams did each class have

BB?
DN?
BCH?
CA?  and so forth

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2004, 06:55:29 pm »
Which Modules for SFB are they in?  Have never played SFB but would like too read up on Andros ships and there history any ideas?

C2 - introduction.. 15 ships.
11 ships in C3 (and some new rules)..
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2 ships in R5..
4 ships in R6..
4 ships in R7..
1 ship in R10..

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2004, 07:12:24 pm »
thnx!  so for the And Ships how many tr beams did each class have

BB?
DN?
BCH?
CA?  and so forth

Smaller ships may have banks of one or two Light TRBs in 180o facings, larger would be the same with Heavys. Typically they would be spread in a FH, LS, RS configuration.
Take a look at the Tournament Krait PDF for an example... Only has them in the FH but with one Displacement Device it wouldn't be hard to line oneself for a nice shot. ;)
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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2004, 07:15:04 pm »
Download Bonk's SFBOP mod and you will get all the Andro ships you want.


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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2004, 08:15:07 pm »
and where is this at?

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2004, 08:21:38 pm »
Now kindly hosted right here: http://www.dynaverse.net/v2/downloads.php?game=SFC2%20OP

In addition to the links and description here: http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163273785.0.html

The andros in it are far from perfect but fun to play with. Original specs by Rod, passed on to me by KF and modified somewhat, but not much.

P.S. The server for it is down for a while I'm working on it...  (and thanks for the plug Lepton  ;D)
« Last Edit: July 21, 2004, 08:35:03 pm by Bonk »

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2004, 08:38:26 pm »
Oh yeah, there is another Andro mod or two on the way that I'm sure will be fun to try and probably more accurate:

http://www.dynaverse.net/v2/info/sfcop_servers.php

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2004, 08:59:13 pm »
the reason im asking is because i have Andro models as well and am working on a project and was wondering what kind of ship wep load outs they had?  Have never played SFB so am making them off the top of my head

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2004, 09:18:25 pm »
I figured, sounds like fun! There is a nice selection of Andro models available now, though I'm still partial to Anduril's from Fleetdock13, they have the classic SFB feel to me.

It's difficult to implement Andros in OP due to the lack of required features (Displacement device, Power Absorber panels and the battery complement are the big ones)

SFB-OP simulates this with cloak, ridiculous maneuverability and big sheilds, which is really a poor substitute. The satellite ships are implemented as PFs which is not quite right either.  Overall it works out ok, they look nice and are fun - you can go way OTT with them (DOMs with sat ships) but missions on the D2 server could be quite challenging in the smaller ships considering the BPV and cost of the sat ships.

I'll leave it to Dizzy, Rod and Firesoul to explain SFB Andromedans in more detail if they are inclined, as they know more about the Andros than I recall. (but the specs in SFB-OP are pretty accurate for weapons loadouts as I recall, you could start from there, but ADB source material is best of course, and Rod has developed the andros for GAW further since he did the specs that I started from, there was a GAW beta on the go somewhere...)

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2004, 09:29:00 pm »
well i am using Wicked Zombies Andro models.  Not using any shielding but armor instead.(Was told they didnt have shields)  Tr Beams of Course.   So was the displacement device considered a heavy wep? Since we dont have that have given them mauler. (Any other ideas?)  ph 1 of course  ,ph 2 and ph 3  other than that am lost :banghead: :banghead: :help:

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2004, 10:01:17 pm »
Ya I like Wicked Zombie's latest ones, they're slick!

Good to go with armor, they are not supposed to have sheilds, just PA panels that absorb weapons energy and dumps it into batteries... up to a limit. You will likely need to add some extra hull padding in some cases too as I think there is a limit on armor? No P-1s or P-3s, just P-2s as I recall... and the light and heavy Tractor-Repulsor beams of course (TRBL and TRBH)

This has been discussed in great detail in a few places, try a little search here and on the bozobits forums to see what you come up with.

http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php?action=search2&search=Andro

Edit: I don't think the dis-dev is considered a heavy weapon (like the cloaking device), Mauler is a good choice, the andros had some nasty ones... picture a ship that absorbs your weapons fire from range 5, dumps the power into batteries, jumps instantly to range 1 and barfs it all out the mauler at you... just sick...  ;D
Though I think there was a delay on firing after displacing and a chance it would go wrong with the andro going a random direction and facing...


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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2004, 10:02:54 pm »
I don't think you understand how the andy's operate. First, the displacement device effectively works as a transporter that they can use to transport a ship with. Finally line up that annoying Krait at R0? Watch as a Dominator uses it's displacement device to move it out of arc at range 15. Second thing is power absorber panels. As noted, andy's don't have shields. They have power absorbers. When you fire at an andy, the power of the weapon strike is transferred into the absorbers, which can be then transferred to the ship. So a fully overloaded 32 point photon strike can add 32 points of power to the andy for it to use. They basically take your weapons fire and throw it right back at you. Also, batteries on andy ships carry much more power than the alfa races can. IIRC (I don't have C2) each battery holds 5 points, not one.

So yeah, you can get something with the label "Andy" on it, and even arm it with TRB's. But that's about all you can do.

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2004, 10:15:33 pm »
Yup, thats about it, we have TR beams (with no UI) and some nice models, we can only roughly simulate Andromedans. I remember full well getting my arse kicked by them on the SFB hex map by an experienced player. Yes displacement was used to dispense the Sat ships but we cant do that in OP either...  ???

I seem to recall a failed displacement that landed my enemy in a planet... lol...

Let me make it clear, I remember fully how the Andros operated in SFB, we just can't duplicate it on OP. (or full fleets, or scouts, or specialty drones or AWACs shuttles or...... ..... ..... ..... etc.)
My old SFB buddy that I originally produced the improved SFB OP for, wanted them removed as soon as he saw them... I left them in just for fun and as an option, you can remove them and the tholians if you don't approve of them but like the rest of the mod.
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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2004, 10:38:50 pm »
Thanks for the help bonk and Max.



Ever consider using plasma snare too simulate web caster? Just a Idea. Guess it would be better if it dropped speed each time it hit

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2004, 10:45:20 pm »
Just to add a couple of tactical notes.

1, Thay are fast! They can (with proper energy management) fly speed 31, arm all weapons, throw up 6 pts EW, HET, and use erratic maneuvers (If the ship has the correct warp to movement cost like a CL) in any given turn.

2, A ship as small as a DW can take 2 S-torps square in the face and only suffer one internal, and that would just be a "leak point" which would be taken as merely a hull hit (Panels leak a point of damage if the volley is large enough.).

3, All of their ships, up to and including the DN, only have a 6 breakdown rating. ie, a 1/6 chance of suffering a breakdown even after they use their HET bonus.

4, All of their weapons have, 180 degree firing arcs. This, along with their speed (Did I mention that they were fast? ;) ), the ability to displace, and their propensity to HET makes it difficult to choose the range and/or shield facing against them.

Their only real nemesis is a really large drone swarm, as they only have phaser 2s for point defense (They can transport out t-bombs though without lowering their panels), or a facefull of overloaded photons, if you're lucky enough to get them all to hit. :D Plasma is all but useless at the speeds they fight at and disruptors, while they do have some special rules to help them out, can hardly dent their panels. Enveloping weapons are a bit difficult for them to deal with (hellbores, for instance) as they make it difficult for them to toggle their panels for energy management.

No displacement device and no PA panels make some of these points invalid in SFC, unfortunately. Man, we need that source code!!! :banghead:

 
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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2004, 10:48:30 pm »
Thanks for the help bonk and Max.



Ever consider using plasma snare too simulate web caster? Just a Idea. Guess it would be better if it dropped speed each time it hit


Done in SFB OP.  (tried potential scripting solutions for the dis dev and web as well with some of Karnak's prototype GAW missions on the SFB-OP server ) web is even trickier to try and simulate with all the rules for laying it, casting it, moving through it, firing through it... (Thols can fire phasers through it unaffected where all others cannot)

Max, by any chance were you the person who ran Starfleetcomms? Or was that another Max something...?

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2004, 10:50:48 pm »
Weren't the PA panels only FH and RH too?

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Re: Andromedans???
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2004, 10:51:40 pm »
Would be nice.  Not too step on anyones toes but I would like the source code released too Daves hands first since he has the most experience with it. Let him make the GAW we all wanted and then let everybody pounce on the code and come up with 20 mods of there own ;D  I would chip in money to have dave due his magic.

damn we need the source code :banghead: :banghead: