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Do you want Gook to stop posting about game issues

Gook STFU and FAR
4 (11.4%)
Gook hang in there
27 (77.1%)
status quo is fine
3 (8.6%)
Admins only have a say
1 (2.9%)

Total Members Voted: 34

Voting closed: July 26, 2004, 03:50:06 am

Topic: Discussions Poll  (Read 4307 times)

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Offline Gook

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Discussions Poll
« on: July 21, 2004, 03:50:06 am »
OK I will be offline until Sunday from later on today my time. So here is an opportunity to decide whether you want me to continue to discuss game issues or otherwise.

For the record I have been putting up difficult issues not for my own private agenda (as has been alleged), I leave private agendas for others. I saw very little discussion about the game and any attempt to discuss issues was met with open hostility from a very few very vocal players. The various polls which I did not start (I only had the BCH one), led me to believe there was some disatisfaction. I saw no hint that any notice had been taken, so I brought the issues to the fore. Again only a few opponents responded, and even fewer constructively. I had hoped that by addressing difficult issues we could perhaps address the biggest problem we face of lower numbers, by making things easier for new blood and trying to entice players who have left back, I suppose that could be construed as an agenda, if so I put my hands up to it.

So here is everybodys chance to vote anonymously as to whether, I shut up or carry on.

Thank you for your attention.
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Offline Dizzy

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2004, 04:03:26 am »
What does FAR mean?

I prob wont vote gook, havent had too much time to read your work. Be nice tho if you had a summary list with quick nots or something...

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2004, 06:52:11 am »
Keep posting games issues Gook if you want to, dont get into the whole process of letting people dictate how you post.

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2004, 07:22:57 am »
What does FAR mean?

I prob wont vote gook, havent had too much time to read your work. Be nice tho if you had a summary list with quick nots or something...

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2004, 07:35:55 am »
I voted that admins only have a say. That is of course only after the server has started. ;)

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2004, 07:40:07 am »
I voted that admins only have a say. That is of course only after the server has started. ;)

Um, regardless of the results of any poll, admins will STILL have all the say  :lol:
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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2004, 09:13:29 am »
I may not always agree with your views, but I think you should go on expressing them.  Since you started there has been a flurry of thoughts on what people want in a campaign. Maybe some new and different servers will come about because of the discussions you have started.

Hang in there. :thumbsup: :popcorn:
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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2004, 10:20:41 am »
I say hang in there, Gook, and keep makin' proposals while the Admins determine what is presented to us. All we D2 junkies have to do is vote with our feet and offer retarded ideas :)

P.S. A perpetual mostly stock server with large map that runs in the background would be just the ticket :thumbsup:

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2004, 10:21:15 am »
Gook, post your ideas as much as you want. More info is always good. Just don't expect anyone or everyone to necessarily buy into your conclusions or opinions. For what it is worth, I agreed with everyone of your suggestion in the other threads sum up post except #12, as I feel that fleets should only me allowed with CnC/OOB conditions (and that isn't due to the fear of PF fleets, which only appear late in the campaign, rather bombardment fleets with appear much earlier).
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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2004, 11:01:59 am »
Oh, sure, there you go again, thinking only of yourself and your own race.  Yes, stopping your discussions will prevent you from facing a lot of heat on the forums and probably make your life more pleasant.

But what about the smacktards?

Without you, whom will they have to point to and belittle?  Whose opinions will they dismiss out of hand?  Whose intellect will they insult?

Have some compassion, you selfish twit.

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(P.S.  I voted "hang in there".  You and I differ widely on several issues, and have done so for four years, but your viewpoint is important to me.)

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2004, 11:24:54 am »
There needs to be a "Gook stick around but type smaller posts" option  ;D
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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2004, 11:35:39 am »
There needs to be a "Gook stick around but type smaller posts" option  ;D

True :lol:

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2004, 12:52:29 pm »
Lol, Gook, stop being such a drama queen.  If you can't withstand some criticism, then don't post, but don't force us all to hold your hand so that you can feel comfortable in an effort to curry favor for yourself and look as if you are the assaulted party.  I mean, please, if I let all the negative criticism of myself to have any effect on me, I certainly wouldn't be here.  Get off the cross.  We need the wood.

And by the way, your agenda is so transparent that everyone can see it.  While I laud the sentiment to make the D2 better and address issues, you are under the delusion that that is not what has been going on the whole time.  The D2 is infinitely better than it used to be.  You have forwarded proposals that prey on community dissatisfaction that have your own version of what you think you want the D2 to be embedded in them.  I have no problem with you or anyone else setting up whatever server they want.  It's a free country, but advancing your own views as what the community wants is disingenuous to me.  The polls are inconclusive and certainly not representative of community wide sentiment in any shape or form, nor are they proper polls that were given any gravitas or supported by any articulation of what those poll options meant or what the consequences of them are.  I happen to have training in constructing and adminstering surveys and I have to tell you these polls bear absolutely no resemblence to anything that produces reliable results.

As to your agenda, let me make this clear.  Here is my narrative of your arrival here.  You come on and stir up memories of past glories couched in rhetoric of how great it used to be to play as a Kzin and how it sucks now and how the fun has been sucked out of everything.  This is the first step  in a campaign to bring back old style D2 servers. Then you proceed to pick apart everything that has been built from the D2 since you have left and how we haven't gotten anywhere and we have the same old problems, which is true in one sense, but total bullsh** in another, and frankly craps on all the work people have done to make the D2 better.  Then you post the hex-flipping Kzin manifesto from ages past unqualified in any manner and as far as I am concerned putting this forward as your view of D2 reality.  Then you procede to oppose anyone who tried to pick this manifesto apart as the sins of D2s' past and "let's never go there again" with silly conjectural arguements about the "reality" of the game and how vast space is or some other tripe.  Finally, you drew upon a couple of polls and community dissatisifaction and the ideas of others to advance a hex-flipping, deepstriking, fleeting, stock server concept of the D2 that can only be recognized as aspects of your individual agenda and one that benefits Kzins in general.  Have you said one thing that would not assist the Kzins?  Have you not publicly decried the Kzins as the D2 whipping boys that all the changes have been foisted upon and your extreme dissatification with your perceptiion of that state of affairs?

So your agenda is transparent to me.  Now, if you had begun by actually asking people what they thought they wanted out of the D2 in a serious manner instead of advancing your own ideas with Kzin-trumpetting prologue, I'd be able to take you seriously, and I don't even think that all the ideas that have been presented by you are bad, if that is what people want.   However, when someone presents a Kzin-first front I think I have every right to call them on it.  I fully support your entering into a dialogue to make things better in the D2, but don't start that conversation by saying that nothing has been done to make things better.  That discounts all the work that scripters and admins have put forth to address long-standing issues in the D2, and if you can't see that, then you are definitely advancing an agenda.

People are discussing and addressing D2 issues and have been since before you returned, but their solutions are not yours and to say that people haven't been discussing or haven't done anything to address D2 issues is disingenuous to me.  I am all for all kinds of servers, but your effort to paint the current D2 servers as some sort of homogeneous status quo is merely a ploy to advance your own view of how things should be.  I can't think of a more heterogeneous set of servers in recent memory, and to paint them with alll the same brush is ridiculous and disingenuous. 

There has been a continuous dialogue about how the casual D2 player can be helped and encouraged to play, but there has been no consensus on the issue or the solution, but I guarantee the solution is not some hex-flipping server where the casual player logs on to see all his work and the work of his race rolled over by a few nutters.

And by the by, I am a person who actually likes to play this game.  You know, the game, the thing that occurs between looking at the D2 map.  You advance that AI missions are meaningless and unrealistic.  I agree and that is why I hate them vehemently as the deciding factor in so much of the D2.  As I say, I'd rather spend an hour in a good mission or some PvP fight then do 10 meaningless and easy AI missions in that amount of time.  I certainly do not want any help in making my missions easier for me and I certainly don't want to make it easier for hex-flippers who already have it easy.  It seems you'd rather spend as little time as possible playing the actual game if it advances flipping hexes.  If all you want is a board game with hexes on it, there are many, many other software titles to accomodate that style of game-play, as well as actual board games, but I assume their rule sets are too "complicated" for you and of course so much more so "complicated" as D2 server rules. 

I think what people actually want is to play meaningful situations in the game engine, not just mindlessly beat up on the AI, but I could certainly be wrong, and I think that is exactly what people have been working toward in the D2.

And if I seem hostile, that is just my status quo and people's perception of me.  Don't count yourself special to be on the receiving end of it  Actually, I think I have taken a rather civil tone in recent post, thank you very much.  So take down your ridiculous favor-currying, martyr poll and get on with whatever you think you are doing.


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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2004, 01:05:54 pm »
Keep posting discussions, its good to have something to talk about. Your recent posts have stirred some interesting discussions in a civil manner. Even if we're going over old ground.

I'd rather find one of your discussion posts than no new posts when I visit. Don't mind the cranky ones either, hey, they need someone to get 'em going... I figure Lepton has analysed your motivations deeper than you would have ever considered yourself... and has some vaild points, interesting reading.

Who knows, maybe one of your discussions will result in a server design that even Lepton approves of! (what was that server that was a border war?... that kind of thing...)

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2004, 01:50:33 pm »
ZOMG!!!!!

Who are you, and what have you done with the real Lepton???

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2004, 02:56:55 pm »
There needs to be a "Gook stick around but type smaller posts" option  ;D

And a non imflamatory option for Die Hard posts....... ;D

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2004, 03:22:04 pm »
Hang in there....because I wanna know what FAR means..heh heh ;D

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2004, 05:17:39 pm »
Hoi Gook,

 A community requires all manner of people for it to function well. As a new player, I bring little to the community other then being slightly more difficult to deal with then the A.I. in a campaign. By means of your posts, and the replies they get, I am exposed to the depth of the community. I think that this has something to do with the length of you posts, and how well they are written; they invite discussion, and bring newbies up to speed with the dyna. You are one of thoes people that help the functioning of this game community. So here is a BZ.
  I read them eventually, so keep it up hehe.

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2004, 09:53:23 am »
Gook, keep posting, bud.  At the very least you keep forcing Lepton to refer to his dictionary and thesaurus time and time again in order to respond to your posts.  :P  ;D

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Re: Discussions Poll
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2004, 12:17:25 pm »
OK I will be offline until Sunday from later on today my time. So here is an opportunity to decide whether you want me to continue to discuss game issues or otherwise.

For the record I have been putting up difficult issues not for my own private agenda (as has been alleged), I leave private agendas for others. I saw very little discussion about the game and any attempt to discuss issues was met with open hostility from a very few very vocal players. The various polls which I did not start (I only had the BCH one), led me to believe there was some disatisfaction. I saw no hint that any notice had been taken, so I brought the issues to the fore. Again only a few opponents responded, and even fewer constructively. I had hoped that by addressing difficult issues we could perhaps address the biggest problem we face of lower numbers, by making things easier for new blood and trying to entice players who have left back, I suppose that could be construed as an agenda, if so I put my hands up to it.

So here is everybodys chance to vote anonymously as to whether, I shut up or carry on.

Thank you for your attention.



Everyone knows I've always felt like it's a very good idea to continue to discuss game issues.  It isn't in any way like we haven't done that right along and quite constructively, even in Gook's absence. 

Therefore, I'd want anyone interested in discussing game issues to continue to do so. 
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