Topic: all my SFC model downloads will be deleted (Read 7861 times)

Terradyhne · « **on:** July 17, 2004, 02:46:00 pm »

as there are some stupid guys out there converting my models to SFC3 without my permission, i delete the downloads of my SFC models at my site and i will never more release any ship i make for SFC

Core · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2004, 02:48:42 pm »

now you see this is just plane wrong

J-O-K-E-R · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2004, 02:54:39 pm »

Quote from: Terradyhne on July 17, 2004, 02:46:00 pm

as there are some stupid guys out there converting my models to SFC3 without my permission, i delete the downloads of my SFC models at my site and i will never more release any ship i make for SFC

Im sorry to hear that , I would have liked to see your work

Reverend · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2004, 02:59:34 pm »

Well, we're all real sorry to hear...
if you want to be real extreme, you could just not make anymore SFC models at all-

atheorhaven · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2004, 03:15:52 pm »

Quote from: Terradyhne on July 17, 2004, 02:46:00 pm

as there are some stupid guys out there converting my models to SFC3 without my permission, i delete the downloads of my SFC models at my site and i will never more release any ship i make for SFC

This is exactly why I started doing the installer and changed the credits with my stuff.. the work I was doing was being converted to BC without me being asked. I got mad,and didn't do anything for a bit, and then I thought that I was only hurting myself. So I came up with the installer and credit changes, and as far as I've seen, nothing has been converted since then without someone asking. You might want to consider that option.. if you remember, I've converted over a couple of your meshes in the past, the Amoeba for one, and I had asked for your permission before that was done.

I'll be happy to send you a credits file that I use that you're more than free to use and modify to your liking for inclusion with your releases. But not releasing SFC work simply cuts down on the people who will appreciate your work.. please reconsider stopping your releases for SFC and talk directly to the people who converted them without your permission... alright?

The Pelican · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2004, 03:19:40 pm »

Actually, any Model of yours used in SFC3 was converted by Captain Korah at the end of 2002. He passed them on to others without any readmes or credits. I didn't know who had made them. There are only 2 models as far as I am aware, the D-16 & the Gallant Wing. Most Mods will remove them if you ask nicely. We are not out there to "steal" your work. We simply did not know it was your work.

Core · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2004, 03:22:00 pm »

he already did the situation got complected after that check the permission thread above for a bit more detail

The Pelican · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2004, 03:29:41 pm »

Ah well, it's only 2 ships. I wasn't big on either of them anyway.

MrCue · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2004, 03:34:02 pm »

Banned for asking them to remove your ships?
What was it you did wrong?

Terradyhne · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2004, 03:37:53 pm »

Quote from: The Pelican on July 17, 2004, 03:19:40 pm

Actually, any Model of yours used in SFC3 was converted by Captain Korah at the end of 2002. He passed them on to others without any readmes or credits. I didn't know who had made them. There are only 2 models as far as I am aware, the D-16 & the Gallant Wing. Most Mods will remove them if you ask nicely. We are not out there to "steal" your work. We simply did not know it was your work.

my D-16 model is from last year not from 2002 and the most problems with SFC3 conversion i have are those that the ships have been converted with stupid and wrong hardpointing and i hate SFC3 and don't like the fact that someone uses a model of mine in a game that i think of its stupid

S33K100 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2004, 03:38:25 pm »

Quote from: The Pelican on July 17, 2004, 03:19:40 pm

Actually, any Model of yours used in SFC3 was converted by Captain Korah at the end of 2002. He passed them on to others without any readmes or credits. I didn't know who had made them. There are only 2 models as far as I am aware, the D-16 & the Gallant Wing. Most Mods will remove them if you ask nicely. We are not out there to "steal" your work. We simply did not know it was your work.

Did it ever occur to you to like, you know, not put up work when you didn't know who'd done it? I mean I'm sure most any model you show a pic of in the forums here and someone will either be able to say 'I did that ship' or people will know and say 'x-modeler did that ship' this would avoid any troubles with people finding their work being converted to other formats or being used in kitbashes that they did not give permission for. Terradhynne, I completely understand your point of view in this situation however I beg you to reconsider - you're not punishing those who stole your work by pulling your models, you're only punishing your fans who want to see and enjoy your work in SFC. Why not try what Atheorhaven suggested about the installer program, it might just work. Also when you find these sites with your models uncredited or hosted or altered without your permission ask them politely to remove them, I'm sure most will oblige and those that don't are just complete a-holes I'm afraid to say.

Wolfsglen · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2004, 03:43:45 pm »

Marauth said best what i was thinking.

Whatever you decide Terradyhne, thank you for the releases, i always enjoyed them a lot and will be sad to see them go.

I, Mudd · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2004, 03:46:21 pm »

Anytime you post anything to the public, you have to expect this sort of thing, which is why I could care less if anyone kitbashes, alters, or does whatever with my models.

If it earns you false credibility by you claiming you built my mesh, oh well. I hope it works out for you. If you get a job because of them, I'll be glad to be a reference ...

.

Just remember, the truth has a nasty habit of getting out there, too.

It's a shame.
I rather liked your models - especially the Predator and the Avenger you built from designs at the Starfleet Museum.

Anyways, good luck and keep building, whether you release them or not.

I, Mudd.

The Pelican · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2004, 03:57:41 pm »

Quote from: Terradyhne on July 17, 2004, 03:37:53 pm

Quote from: The Pelican on July 17, 2004, 03:19:40 pm
Actually, any Model of yours used in SFC3 was converted by Captain Korah at the end of 2002. He passed them on to others without any readmes or credits. I didn't know who had made them. There are only 2 models as far as I am aware, the D-16 & the Gallant Wing. Most Mods will remove them if you ask nicely. We are not out there to "steal" your work. We simply did not know it was your work.

my D-16 model is from last year not from 2002 and the most problems with SFC3 conversion i have are those that the ships have been converted with stupid and wrong hardpointing and i hate SFC3 and don't like the fact that someone uses a model of mine in a game that i think of its stupid

The D-16 was in the very first ever edition of TNZ, which was released in January 2003. It was in the first edition of DomWars, which was released in February 2003. And I had all the models for DomWars for nearly a month before I released the mod. So it could only have been released in the first half of January 2003. It can't have been any later than that.

Like I said, if you don't want us to use it, we won't. You only have to ask.

As for posting in the Model forums, an oversight by someone new to SFC Modding I'm afraid. I hadn't even visited the Taldren Model forums at the time. I got most of my stuff from Korah & Chris Jones and worked mainly on the sfc3files forums.

As for being banned, don't know who did that, probably Cozbo, he'll ban anyone if they're being abusive.

Katherine · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2004, 04:01:44 pm »

It's one of the problems STMD and now STGD have had since 2000 when we started listing Armada 1 mods in the old days, the credits.

Usually there is a readme.txt included in the file, and if there is the credits section usually lists who done it. However sometimes there isnt. Either its been lost between the various people repackaging it or it simply wasnt included. A lot of the older files didnt have a readme in them, especially for Armada 1. 9 times out of 10 though when people are now uploading ships to the STGD or anywhere else for that matter they do include the original meshers or texture authors.

battlestar001 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2004, 04:16:24 pm »

it will be a shame to lose ya. I quite like ur work

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2004, 04:26:18 pm »

Quote from: battlestar001 on July 17, 2004, 04:16:24 pm

it will be a shame to lose ya. I quite like ur work

Terradyne, please reconsider.

It will be a damn shame never to be able to play with your FASA Trek Ships, specifically YOUR D-18 Refit and your Romulan V-20.

There are enough RESPONSIBLE people in the Trek gaming community that this kind of thing with never go unaddressed one way or the other.

KF

NannerSlug · « **Reply #17 on:** July 17, 2004, 04:32:40 pm »

could someone catch me up to what is going on here. tera is an asset to this community. is somone banned here? i dont get it. i dont see anyone banned.

tera, i have pm'd you. please pm me back soon.

everyone try to keep a level head while this sorts out.

Wolfsglen · « **Reply #18 on:** July 17, 2004, 04:34:40 pm »

Not banned from here Nanner, he meant another forum.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #19 on:** July 17, 2004, 04:36:01 pm »

okay. no biggie then. thats between them.

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