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Ammonia on Mars could mean life
« on: July 15, 2004, 07:22:55 pm »
Ammonia on Mars could mean life

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Ammonia may have been found in Mars' atmosphere which some scientists say could indicate life on the Red Planet.

Researchers say its spectral signature has been tentatively detected by sensors on board the European Space Agency's orbiting Mars Express craft.

Ammonia survives for only a short time in the Martian atmosphere so it must be getting constantly replenished.

There are two possible sources: either active volcanoes, none of which have been found yet on Mars, or microbes.


I would have expected Martian vulcanism to have been observed decades ago. 

If there is life, is it native or imported via probes?
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Re: Ammonia on Mars could mean life
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2004, 07:27:31 pm »
Ammonia on Mars could mean life

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Ammonia may have been found in Mars' atmosphere which some scientists say could indicate life on the Red Planet.

Researchers say its spectral signature has been tentatively detected by sensors on board the European Space Agency's orbiting Mars Express craft.

Ammonia survives for only a short time in the Martian atmosphere so it must be getting constantly replenished.

There are two possible sources: either active volcanoes, none of which have been found yet on Mars, or microbes.


I would have expected Martian vulcanism to have been observed decades ago. 

If there is life, is it native or imported via probes?


Either way, it would be there and we would know that Mars is habitable...
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Re: Ammonia on Mars could mean life
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2004, 07:30:45 pm »
I recently read online that the scientists for the Mars Express mission believe that the amount of methane detected in the Martian atmosphere would have to be constantly replenished--either by vulcanism (which has not been observed) or by biological processes.  Makes me wish that the Beagle 2 had landed safely.  Who knows what it would have found!

Is NASA's next Mars mission searching for biological evidence?
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2004, 11:09:00 pm »

Very Very Coolio!

Do you happen to have a link?

Although this sounds like a little paranoid perhaps, do you think NASA has more complete proff of microbes and is just waiting till the right time (like after they have some sample return missions) to announce it??

Cuz' if they announce such a thing now I'm sure Russia, China, and the ESA would be all over that!

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2004, 11:53:05 pm »

Very Very Coolio!

Do you happen to have a link?

Although this sounds like a little paranoid perhaps, do you think NASA has more complete proff of microbes and is just waiting till the right time (like after they have some sample return missions) to announce it??

Cuz' if they announce such a thing now I'm sure Russia, China, and the ESA would be all over that!


Per your request...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3577551.stm

Methane on Mars could signal life
 
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor 


 
Is there life beneath the soil? 
Methane has been found in the Martian atmosphere which scientists say could be a sign that life exists today on Mars.
It was detected by telescopes on Earth and has recently been confirmed by instruments onboard the European Space Agency's orbiting Mars Express craft.

Methane lives for a short time in the Martian atmosphere so it must be being constantly replenished.

There are two possible sources: either active volcanoes, none of which have been found yet on Mars, or microbes.

Spectral signature

The spectral signature of the gas was seen by the Infrared Telescope on Hawaii and the Gemini South Observatory in Chile.

  Scientists see two possibilities, both of them scientifically important, but one of them is sensational
 
Scientists operating the Mars Express Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (FPS) have announced they have detected the presence of methane in the Red Planet's atmosphere, too.

The world's largest telescope, the twin Keck facility on Hawaii, has looked but has yet to report its findings.

But further evidence of methane on Mars will be presented at a meeting next month by a consortium of astronomers using the Canada-France-Hawaii telescope.

Volcanic explanation

Methane is not a stable molecule in the Martian atmosphere. If it was not replenished in some way, it would only last a few hundred years before it vanished.

Scientists see two possibilities, both of them scientifically important, but one of them is sensational.

 
Nasa's Infrared Telescope detected methane last year 
It is possible that the methane is being produced by volcanic activity. Lava deposited on to the surface, or released underground, could produce the gas.

This explanation has some difficulties, however. So far, no active volcanic hotspots have been detected on the planet by the many spacecraft currently in orbit.

If active volcanism were responsible then it would be a major discovery with important implications. The heat released by any volcanism would melt the vast quantities of sub-surface ice discovered on the planet, producing an environment suitable for life.

Life on Mars?

On Earth, there are organisms called methanogens - microbes that produce methane from hydrogen and carbon dioxide. These organisms do not need oxygen to thrive, and they are thought to be the type of microbes that could possibly live on Mars.

The twin US space agency rovers that landed on the Red Planet in January will be unable to answer the question of the methane's origin as they are designed for geological work.

But future missions could include sensors to analyse the methane to determine where it came from.

The failed Beagle 2 mission had a device that could have sniffed the Martian atmosphere for methane.

 
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Re: Ammonia on Mars could mean life
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2004, 11:16:50 am »

Ahh - Nice - Thx!

Any links to NASA's real data archives??

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2004, 05:21:03 pm »

Very Very Coolio!

Do you happen to have a link?

The title of the article in my posting is the link.
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Re: Ammonia on Mars could mean life
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2004, 11:23:05 am »
nasa should find a way to send a signal a lot faster, if rario signal take a few minutes to be received then use a laser signal, or send a sation in orbit of mars, the wors is the still using oxigen tanks when the know a trees and plants always produce oxigen so less weight and no big oxigne tanks on a station, also when the get rid of the russan station mirr insted of trowing it into earth orbit trow it toward the sun, since there no friction it wont stop and if it crash on venus or mecury who cares the no life there and the acid and temp will get rid of it for us, or send it outside the solar system and aliens will find it and send it back  ;D.

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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2004, 11:29:27 am »
nasa should find a way to send a signal a lot faster, if rario signal take a few minutes to be received then use a laser signal,

Radio waves and lasers both travel at the speed of light so it wouldn't make any difference.
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2004, 07:15:46 pm »
hmm no, radio wave is slower, anyway the should use lie speed (not lite speed but lie speed) :), its verry fast :)

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Re: Ammonia on Mars could mean life
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2004, 07:46:49 pm »
Naw, was just Carney takin a leak.

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