Topic: Which BCH ?

[Gook]

Just interested to see which is the most popular BCH, not including CV versions. If there are more than one BCH for a race or if you are not sure, say which one below.

Context is a campaign for PvP action, but you don't have to say "well I fly Fed so its a BCG" imagine flying with whoever you wanted, and the Admiral says here are X BCHs pick one Mr. Super pilot

[Mog]

Sorry, can't pick one. I enjoy flying the C7, KCR, CCZ, C7L (Dizzy creation for SG3 was very nice to fly), G-BCH, but as for picking just one, nah. If you're excluding CV versions though, then the CCZ reigns supreme, imo. But I wouldn't want to fly that all the time, too easy, which gets boring.

[762_XC]

In my own mind I would rank them thusly (assuming D2 loadouts):

I-CCZ
L-BCHP
R-KCR
K-C7/F-BCF (take your pick)
H-OV
Z-BCH (Moggy)
G-BCH
Z-BCH (stock)

Only in general terms of course - there is a lot of rock-paper-scissors in the list.

[FPF-DieHard]

I picked the I-CCZ.   Not even a contest.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

The CCZ may be the best, but I would rather fly the KHK instead and for the most fun, the KCR.

[Gook]

Interesting so far, I didn't vote until now, but mine is a KHK, never lost in a KHK.

[762_XC]

I wouldn't even consider a KHK a BCH. It's really in a separate class.

[TotensBurntCorpse]

If I had to rank...

vs P
R-KHK
L-BCH (excluding LDR ships)
I-CCZ
K-C7
Z-BCH
R-KCR
H-OS
G-BCH
F-BCG
F-BCF
F-BCE
I-CAZ

considering power curve vs weapons suite

vs AI
L-BCH (excluding LDR ships)
K-C7
F-BCG
Z-BCH
H-OS
R-KHK
G-BCH
R-KCR
I-CCZ
F-BCF
I-CAZ
F-BCE

considering fastest time to fully loaded to do the kill

But this is based upon how I would flly the ships, others may have different views

[Gook]

Guys, just pick one the one you think is the best, the one you want to fly say for a week in a Dyna, not too difficult I think everybody must have a preference, no one has to say what they voted, thats optional.

[762_XC]

You must mean the OV toten. OS is a BCV.

[TotensBurntCorpse]

You must mean the OV toten. OS is a BCV.

ja dis ist wvat i meent

[FPF-DieHard]

if you remove the pocket DNs (R-KHK, I-CCZ), my vote changes to the F-BCF. 

The F-BCF is a great ship, it just lacks the mojo to fight ships in the 220 BPV range.

[Dizzy]

I'll take a War Destroyer, thx.

Moggy's Z-BCV is nearly unbeatable if u know what ur doing.

[FPF-DieHard]

Moggy's Z-BCV is nearly unbeatable if u know what ur doing.

<Snicker>

[Commander Maxillius]

I don't fly BCH's.  Not even in single-player.  I'm just unable to fly them properly.  However, I'll do the same task that would normally be assigned to a BCH in a CL to NCA hull and perform better than I would in a BCH.

On that note, I voted Gorn :p

[Age]

  I know I am still single but I prefer a CA down to a CL or a good DD. am not a fan of BCHs.

   I went with Hydran

  This becauase i intend to play in D2.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

  I know I am still single but I prefer a CA down to a CL or a good DD. am not a fan of BCHs.

   I went with Hydran

  This becauase i intend to play in D2.

HUH?

[Julin Eurthyr]

I-CCZ.

IMO, the best ship in the game.  And not because I'm biased as an ISC pilot.

2 PPDs for ranged sniping / setting up a castle.  2 Forward Plasma Ss for in-close extra-strong deterrent.  6 Pl-Is allow 2 Plasma Fs per turn out the tail.  Enough phasers to stuff just about all 12-drone waves sent at it's front end.

It is probably the best plasma ship to use for the standard "droner" tactic of running away from the enemy, shooting at an enemy directly on your #4 shield.  Capable of running near 31 while recharging 4-5 I-torps with 4 ECM.  40 damage to the face nearly every turn at ranges up to 12.  Drop speed to 28 or so and it is a solid 40 every turn...

[Gook]

For the sake of clarity, "absolutelty free choice" means just that, no qualifications as to what or what is not a BCH. If it is designated as one it is one.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

I'll take a War Destroyer, thx.

Moggy's Z-BCV is nearly unbeatable if u know what ur doing.

I really enjoyed flying this during the limited time that it was out in GW1.

[Davey-E]

No Contest

ISC CCZ Roks 

[TotensBurntCorpse]

From the context of PVP only....

LDR BCH hands down

[KHH Jakle]

All the Klinks must be sleeping...

I'll take a C7 hands down....and I'll take it versus whatever else is on the list up there...(win ratio is something else entirely)

Now, if I am on GSA and we are evening up the BPV, I'll take the C5K to counter the oversized I-CCZ and other pocket-dreads

[Age]

I-CCZ.

IMO, the best ship in the game.  And not because I'm biased as an ISC pilot.

2 PPDs for ranged sniping / setting up a castle.  2 Forward Plasma Ss for in-close extra-strong deterrent.  6 Pl-Is allow 2 Plasma Fs per turn out the tail.  Enough phasers to stuff just about all 12-drone waves sent at it's front end.

It is probably the best plasma ship to use for the standard "droner" tactic of running away from the enemy, shooting at an enemy directly on your #4 shield.  Capable of running near 31 while recharging 4-5 I-torps with 4 ECM.  40 damage to the face nearly every turn at ranges up to 12.  Drop speed to 28 or so and it is a solid 40 every turn...

The could be said for F-BCE as that seems t be over looked and if I could change my vote this one I would vote for.The I-CCZ has to slow down in order to charge its plasma torps. down to at least speed 10.That being said the F-BCE doesn't need to to slow down to charge its photon torps. and can do it at speed 28 it has an excellent power curve and it can maintain the speed for as long as you want it to.

    The photon torps. can be fired at proximity for as long as the person using it want to and when it has done enough damage it can switch to phasers.This ship is often overlooked.This would be my pick if I could change my original vote.This is in IMO

[FPF-DieHard]

I-CCZ.

IMO, the best ship in the game.  And not because I'm biased as an ISC pilot.

2 PPDs for ranged sniping / setting up a castle.  2 Forward Plasma Ss for in-close extra-strong deterrent.  6 Pl-Is allow 2 Plasma Fs per turn out the tail.  Enough phasers to stuff just about all 12-drone waves sent at it's front end.

It is probably the best plasma ship to use for the standard "droner" tactic of running away from the enemy, shooting at an enemy directly on your #4 shield.  Capable of running near 31 while recharging 4-5 I-torps with 4 ECM.  40 damage to the face nearly every turn at ranges up to 12.  Drop speed to 28 or so and it is a solid 40 every turn...

The could be said for F-BCE as that seems t be over looked and if I could change my vote this one I would vote for.The I-CCZ has to slow down in order to charge its plasma torps. down to at least speed 10.That being said the F-BCE doesn't need to to slow down to charge its photon torps. and can do it at speed 28 it has an excellent power curve and it can maintain the speed for as long as you want it to.

    The photon torps. can be fired at proximity for as long as the person using it want to and when it has done enough damage it can switch to phasers.This ship is often overlooked.This would be my pick if I could change my original vote.This is in IMO

OMG, the BCE is a piece of p00p. 

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Should have used all uppercase on poop. 

[Age]

  I am just being nice and honest.Whatever happened to that being nice and mostly honest?I hope honesty didn't go down with the ship.lol

[Julin Eurthyr]

I-CCZ.

IMO, the best ship in the game.  And not because I'm biased as an ISC pilot.

2 PPDs for ranged sniping / setting up a castle.  2 Forward Plasma Ss for in-close extra-strong deterrent.  6 Pl-Is allow 2 Plasma Fs per turn out the tail.  Enough phasers to stuff just about all 12-drone waves sent at it's front end.

It is probably the best plasma ship to use for the standard "droner" tactic of running away from the enemy, shooting at an enemy directly on your #4 shield.  Capable of running near 31 while recharging 4-5 I-torps with 4 ECM.  40 damage to the face nearly every turn at ranges up to 12.  Drop speed to 28 or so and it is a solid 40 every turn...

The could be said for F-BCE as that seems t be over looked and if I could change my vote this one I would vote for.The I-CCZ has to slow down in order to charge its plasma torps. down to at least speed 10.That being said the F-BCE doesn't need to to slow down to charge its photon torps. and can do it at speed 28 it has an excellent power curve and it can maintain the speed for as long as you want it to.

    The photon torps. can be fired at proximity for as long as the person using it want to and when it has done enough damage it can switch to phasers.This ship is often overlooked.This would be my pick if I could change my original vote.This is in IMO

CCZ is only slow when recharging all weapons.

I've fought "running" battles where I've spent an hour dropping Pl-I out the rear, launching 5 torps in every 3 turn period, slowly wearing down a pair of Rommie BBs.  I never dropped below speed 31, with 4 ECM, except to charge up the 6th Pl-I.  Granted, the forward weapons were offline, but I wasn't using them anyway...

I've spent battles dancing around range 15 firing all PPDs and Pl-Ss chugging along around speed 26-28, with ECM.

It's only when you start tossing phasers and all weapons at once does the CCZ start running into power problems...

[Laflin]

I hafta go with the I-CCZ at greater than range 4 combat, but for close in I'll take a L-BCP+ or BCHP any day.  I'd like to see a Lyran BC with the dizzies removed and replaced with PPD - that would be a true killer .

[TotensBurntCorpse]

check out the LDR DBCP and ull wet ur pants

[Vorcha]

If I fly for fun I almost always take the C7 -vs- other BCH's....don't always win of course but hey...the challenge is more than 1/2 the fun.

If I'm serious about winning then I slide over to the cheeser's ISC, LDR BCHP or the Rommie KHK....for pure fun and challenge it's Klinks and Fed's for me.

Nobody's mentioned the Hydrans...w/ the right fighter wing (H2's) they can be pretty decent.  A nice counter to a standard BCH is the HID w/ 12 H2's...nasty ship..even though it's not a BCH class.

Miraks are decent but I feel they are better in the lower BPV's (Cl's and below)  What they have for BCH's is lacking power I think.  My humble opinion of course....

V

[Age]

I-CCZ.

IMO, the best ship in the game.  And not because I'm biased as an ISC pilot.

2 PPDs for ranged sniping / setting up a castle.  2 Forward Plasma Ss for in-close extra-strong deterrent.  6 Pl-Is allow 2 Plasma Fs per turn out the tail.  Enough phasers to stuff just about all 12-drone waves sent at it's front end.

It is probably the best plasma ship to use for the standard "droner" tactic of running away from the enemy, shooting at an enemy directly on your #4 shield.  Capable of running near 31 while recharging 4-5 I-torps with 4 ECM.  40 damage to the face nearly every turn at ranges up to 12.  Drop speed to 28 or so and it is a solid 40 every turn...

The could be said for F-BCE as that seems t be over looked and if I could change my vote this one I would vote for.The I-CCZ has to slow down in order to charge its plasma torps. down to at least speed 10.That being said the F-BCE doesn't need to to slow down to charge its photon torps. and can do it at speed 28 it has an excellent power curve and it can maintain the speed for as long as you want it to.

    The photon torps. can be fired at proximity for as long as the person using it want to and when it has done enough damage it can switch to phasers.This ship is often overlooked.This would be my pick if I could change my original vote.This is in IMO

CCZ is only slow when recharging all weapons.

I've fought "running" battles where I've spent an hour dropping Pl-I out the rear, launching 5 torps in every 3 turn period, slowly wearing down a pair of Rommie BBs.  I never dropped below speed 31, with 4 ECM, except to charge up the 6th Pl-I.  Granted, the forward weapons were offline, but I wasn't using them anyway...

I've spent battles dancing around range 15 firing all PPDs and Pl-Ss chugging along around speed 26-28, with ECM.

It's only when you start tossing phasers and all weapons at once does the CCZ start running into power problems...

I would debate this with you some place else but don't forget I-CCZ has 44 power and F-BCE has 51 and it speed is recalibrated in the energy panel and I-CCZ is't.

[Age]

If I fly for fun I almost always take the C7 -vs- other BCH's....don't always win of course but hey...the challenge is more than 1/2 the fun.

If I'm serious about winning then I slide over to the cheeser's ISC, LDR BCHP or the Rommie KHK....for pure fun and challenge it's Klinks and Fed's for me.

Nobody's mentioned the Hydrans...w/ the right fighter wing (H2's) they can be pretty decent.  A nice counter to a standard BCH is the HID w/ 12 H2's...nasty ship..even though it's not a BCH class.

Miraks are decent but I feel they are better in the lower BPV's (Cl's and below)  What they have for BCH's is lacking power I think.  My humble opinion of course....

V

I did yes H-OV with with yellowjacket3s would be something else and set the fusion on suicide it becomes deadly.

[Hexx]

I-CCZ.

IMO, the best ship in the game.  And not because I'm biased as an ISC pilot.

2 PPDs for ranged sniping / setting up a castle.  2 Forward Plasma Ss for in-close extra-strong deterrent.  6 Pl-Is allow 2 Plasma Fs per turn out the tail.  Enough phasers to stuff just about all 12-drone waves sent at it's front end.

It is probably the best plasma ship to use for the standard "droner" tactic of running away from the enemy, shooting at an enemy directly on your #4 shield.  Capable of running near 31 while recharging 4-5 I-torps with 4 ECM.  40 damage to the face nearly every turn at ranges up to 12.  Drop speed to 28 or so and it is a solid 40 every turn...

The could be said for F-BCE as that seems t be over looked and if I could change my vote this one I would vote for.The I-CCZ has to slow down in order to charge its plasma torps. down to at least speed 10.That being said the F-BCE doesn't need to to slow down to charge its photon torps. and can do it at speed 28 it has an excellent power curve and it can maintain the speed for as long as you want it to.

    The photon torps. can be fired at proximity for as long as the person using it want to and when it has done enough damage it can switch to phasers.This ship is often overlooked.This would be my pick if I could change my original vote.This is in IMO

CCZ is only slow when recharging all weapons.

I've fought "running" battles where I've spent an hour dropping Pl-I out the rear, launching 5 torps in every 3 turn period, slowly wearing down a pair of Rommie BBs.  I never dropped below speed 31, with 4 ECM, except to charge up the 6th Pl-I.  Granted, the forward weapons were offline, but I wasn't using them anyway...

I've spent battles dancing around range 15 firing all PPDs and Pl-Ss chugging along around speed 26-28, with ECM.

It's only when you start tossing phasers and all weapons at once does the CCZ start running into power problems...

I would debate this with you some place else but don't forget I-CCZ has 44 power and F-BCE has 51 and it speed is recalibrated in the energy panel and I-CCZ is't.

BCE also has a move cost of 1.25 to the CCZ's 1.00.
BCE has no AMD
BCE can't turn
BCE is one of those ships that look interesting until you actually play the game.

CCZ is probably the best (I've never flown it though)
I actually prefer the BCHP to the DBCP,~ but that's because the BCHP can take a little more damage.
and I prefer the 2 Ph1's over the 2 extra Dizzes. (Although that's just me)

The C7 is hands down the most "fun" to fly.
Also the firing arcs work a bit better with the 3 turn mode than the Arcs on the BCHP.

 

[Age]

I-CCZ.

IMO, the best ship in the game.  And not because I'm biased as an ISC pilot.

2 PPDs for ranged sniping / setting up a castle.  2 Forward Plasma Ss for in-close extra-strong deterrent.  6 Pl-Is allow 2 Plasma Fs per turn out the tail.  Enough phasers to stuff just about all 12-drone waves sent at it's front end.

It is probably the best plasma ship to use for the standard "droner" tactic of running away from the enemy, shooting at an enemy directly on your #4 shield.  Capable of running near 31 while recharging 4-5 I-torps with 4 ECM.  40 damage to the face nearly every turn at ranges up to 12.  Drop speed to 28 or so and it is a solid 40 every turn...

The could be said for F-BCE as that seems t be over looked and if I could change my vote this one I would vote for.The I-CCZ has to slow down in order to charge its plasma torps. down to at least speed 10.That being said the F-BCE doesn't need to to slow down to charge its photon torps. and can do it at speed 28 it has an excellent power curve and it can maintain the speed for as long as you want it to.

    The photon torps. can be fired at proximity for as long as the person using it want to and when it has done enough damage it can switch to phasers.This ship is often overlooked.This would be my pick if I could change my original vote.This is in IMO

CCZ is only slow when recharging all weapons.

I've fought "running" battles where I've spent an hour dropping Pl-I out the rear, launching 5 torps in every 3 turn period, slowly wearing down a pair of Rommie BBs.  I never dropped below speed 31, with 4 ECM, except to charge up the 6th Pl-I.  Granted, the forward weapons were offline, but I wasn't using them anyway...

I've spent battles dancing around range 15 firing all PPDs and Pl-Ss chugging along around speed 26-28, with ECM.

It's only when you start tossing phasers and all weapons at once does the CCZ start running into power problems...

I would debate this with you some place else but don't forget I-CCZ has 44 power and F-BCE has 51 and it speed is recalibrated in the energy panel and I-CCZ is't.

BCE also has a move cost of 1.25 to the CCZ's 1.00.
BCE has no AMD
BCE can't turn
BCE is one of those ships that look interesting until you actually play the game.

CCZ is probably the best (I've never flown it though)
I actually prefer the BCHP to the DBCP,~ but that's because the BCHP can take a little more damage.
and I prefer the 2 Ph1's over the 2 extra Dizzes. (Although that's just me)

The C7 is hands down the most "fun" to fly.
Also the firing arcs work a bit better with the 3 turn mode than the Arcs on the BCHP.

 

I double check the speed of the F-BCE and it goes 38.8.That will out run any plasma or drone for that matter.You would want to look in your Energy panel to find out the prober speed .I did this against I-CCZ setting Admiral using 5 points of eccm had it going between 25 and 35.I was watching the energy panel the hole time.This the fastest ship in the game its even faster than an unfitted Excelsior in SFC3 its top speed is 27 or 28 depends if you have legendary engineer.I know the F-BCE may not look great but untill FireSoul finds a nice model out there this it.I never lost my 5 points of eccm the hole time and torps charged up fine.There is no way the I-CCZ can catch this ship.
  I took out the I-CCZ with F-CB,F-CAI,F-CLC,K-D7Lmod.K-D7L stock.K-D7K.C,T,that LDR BCHP,L-CLWP,L-CLWF and a few good Mirak and Hydran CAs to CLs.I just love picking on that ship and seeing it get destroyed or captured.The K-D7L mod has 4 times photon FX and has a cloaking cost of 5.I still hace a stock one though.The plasma based Empires are pretty much the easiest to fly.The Feds,Klinks,Lyrans,Mirak and Hydran are the toughest to to learn how to fly.The Feds,Klinks and Lyrans allways have to watch their EW panel for thier defence and attack shifts.This most toughest on the Feds as balanceing the power becomes the trick.I would say that I-CCZ is not the best around it is if don't mind speed 10.I think I am getting a little of topic so  hope fully this will bring this to a close on this ship or subject.The reason I mention the Klingons is that is the secound Empire I fly best at.

[Hexx]

I-CCZ.

IMO, the best ship in the game.  And not because I'm biased as an ISC pilot.

2 PPDs for ranged sniping / setting up a castle.  2 Forward Plasma Ss for in-close extra-strong deterrent.  6 Pl-Is allow 2 Plasma Fs per turn out the tail.  Enough phasers to stuff just about all 12-drone waves sent at it's front end.

It is probably the best plasma ship to use for the standard "droner" tactic of running away from the enemy, shooting at an enemy directly on your #4 shield.  Capable of running near 31 while recharging 4-5 I-torps with 4 ECM.  40 damage to the face nearly every turn at ranges up to 12.  Drop speed to 28 or so and it is a solid 40 every turn...

The could be said for F-BCE as that seems t be over looked and if I could change my vote this one I would vote for.The I-CCZ has to slow down in order to charge its plasma torps. down to at least speed 10.That being said the F-BCE doesn't need to to slow down to charge its photon torps. and can do it at speed 28 it has an excellent power curve and it can maintain the speed for as long as you want it to.

    The photon torps. can be fired at proximity for as long as the person using it want to and when it has done enough damage it can switch to phasers.This ship is often overlooked.This would be my pick if I could change my original vote.This is in IMO

CCZ is only slow when recharging all weapons.

I've fought "running" battles where I've spent an hour dropping Pl-I out the rear, launching 5 torps in every 3 turn period, slowly wearing down a pair of Rommie BBs.  I never dropped below speed 31, with 4 ECM, except to charge up the 6th Pl-I.  Granted, the forward weapons were offline, but I wasn't using them anyway...

I've spent battles dancing around range 15 firing all PPDs and Pl-Ss chugging along around speed 26-28, with ECM.

It's only when you start tossing phasers and all weapons at once does the CCZ start running into power problems...

I would debate this with you some place else but don't forget I-CCZ has 44 power and F-BCE has 51 and it speed is recalibrated in the energy panel and I-CCZ is't.

BCE also has a move cost of 1.25 to the CCZ's 1.00.
BCE has no AMD
BCE can't turn
BCE is one of those ships that look interesting until you actually play the game.

CCZ is probably the best (I've never flown it though)
I actually prefer the BCHP to the DBCP,~ but that's because the BCHP can take a little more damage.
and I prefer the 2 Ph1's over the 2 extra Dizzes. (Although that's just me)

The C7 is hands down the most "fun" to fly.
Also the firing arcs work a bit better with the 3 turn mode than the Arcs on the BCHP.

 

I double check the speed of the F-BCE and it goes 38.8.That will out run any plasma or drone for that matter.You would want to look in your Energy panel to find out the prober speed .I did this against I-CCZ setting Admiral using 5 points of eccm had it going between 25 and 35.I was watching the energy panel the hole time.This the fastest ship in the game its even faster than an unfitted Excelsior in SFC3 its top speed is 27 or 28 depends if you have legendary engineer.I know the F-BCE may not look great but untill FireSoul finds a nice model out there this it.I never lost my 5 points of eccm the hole time and torps charged up fine.There is no way the I-CCZ can catch this ship.
  I took out the I-CCZ with F-CB,F-CAI,F-CLC,K-D7Lmod.K-D7L stock.K-D7K.C,T,that LDR BCHP,L-CLWP,L-CLWF and a few good Mirak and Hydran CAs to CLs.I just love picking on that ship and seeing it get destroyed or captured.The K-D7L mod has 4 times photon FX and has a cloaking cost of 5.I still hace a stock one though.The plasma based Empires are pretty much the easiest to fly.The Feds,Klinks,Lyrans,Mirak and Hydran are the toughest to to learn how to fly.The Feds,Klinks and Lyrans allways have to watch their EW panel for thier defence and attack shifts.This most toughest on the Feds as balanceing the power becomes the trick.I would say that I-CCZ is not the best around it is if don't mind speed 10.I think I am getting a little of topic so  hope fully this will bring this to a close on this ship or subject.The reason I mention the Klingons is that is the secound Empire I fly best at.

OK who are you really? No one can possibly be this stupid...

EDIT-Wait- Pig, you're really Likkerpig aren't you? You're just doing this to annoy me..

[Age]

  I will let you decide that one.oink oink oink

[FPF-DieHard]

Hmmmm, they are both Canadian . . .

[Mog]

Hexxypoos, Age is talking about beating the ai. he hasn't met a CCZ in a player's control yet. He'll revise his opinion soon enough when that happens.

[Hexx]

I think he was actually talking about a BCE is SFC3

Spd 38.8
D7's cloaking
etc

-Otherwise somebody better tell me why my ships have been limited to 31 for all this time!!!!!

Not to mention that he's offering tactics etc never having played PvP..

It's obviously trolling..

[Strafer]

I think he was actually talking about a BCE is SFC3

Spd 38.8
D7's cloaking
etc

-Otherwise somebody better tell me why my ships have been limited to 31 for all this time!!!!!

Not to mention that he's offering tactics etc never having played PvP..

It's obviously trolling..

I've stopped paying attention to what that person says since he/she/it butted in a friendly jousting between 762 and I.

[Age]

I think he was actually talking about a BCE is SFC3

Spd 38.8
D7's cloaking
etc

-Otherwise somebody better tell me why my ships have been limited to 31 for all this time!!!!!

Not to mention that he's offering tactics etc never having played PvP..

It's obviously trolling..

I am not talking about SFC3 I am talking about SFC2OP the actual speed is referred to in the energy panel.I would look there for a more accurate reading of the speed in ships in OP.Take a frig for eg. it may show that is going say 15 on speed bar at the bottom but it is actually going say 10 or maybe less.If I am ready for a 40 to 50 minute battle with CCZ I am not afraid of a PVP in on the Dyna or GSA and if I lose I know it was because I made a mistake or I was just to tired for it.When I  play against the AI  against that ship it usually last between 40 to 50 minutes long
   I am talking about the modded K-D7L that I made which there isn't one in SFC3 .I put 4 times photon fx on it and set the cloaking cost to 5 instead of 20.I would encourage you to check your energy panel for the actual energy your ship is put ting out.The actual speed of BCE is 38.8 play with it  in a skirmish to check it out.Thanks Mog for your support and one thing I use a tactic the Mog suggested to me.That is how I can beat it and someone else told me another tactic.
   Then again Mog might be right I will revise my opion this is sounding scary already.The thought of going agianst a real player.Strafer can we get over that what happened in the old Taldren forums.This is a new place now let by gones be by gones   as the saying goes as I find the D2 community very friendly and forgiveing even FireSoul has for given me on that issue.I wasn't being myself that week and someone said something else to offend me not you or 762 it was someone else.It was not in that thread even.We  are both adults aren't we.
   Thanks agian Mog for your support.This what I mean by the D2 community.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Be careful about picking on Canadians. We won the war of 1812. Oh yeah, that was while we still had an army. Er, never mind. 

[Hexx]

Be careful about picking on Canadians. We won the war of 1812. Oh yeah, that was while we still had an army. Er, never mind. 

Don't knock it- you notice the States hasn't picked  a war with us since that one...

[Hexx]

Well normally I'd be bored of this ...ignorance by now..but I'm bored soooo.

I am not talking about SFC3 I am talking about SFC2OP the actual speed is referred to in the energy panel.I would look there for a more accurate reading of the speed in ships in OP.Take a frig for eg. it may show that is going say 15 on speed bar at the bottom but it is actually going say 10 or maybe less.

Uhmm no,  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not out of grade 4 yet, Here's a hint
ENERGY PANEL
-the number you're referring to is the amount of ENERGY it takes to move your ship .
If your ENERGY PANEL says 10 by moving, and your speed bar says you're going 15. You have approximately a .66 move cost. That's why the drones that move 32 fly faster than you do
32 is faster than 31 (the most you can do)

If I am ready for a 40 to 50 minute battle with CCZ I am not afraid of a PVP in on the Dyna or GSA and if I lose I know it was because I made a mistake or I was just to tired for it.When I  play against the AI  against that ship it usually last between 40 to 50 minutes long

-Never be afraid of PvP anywhere, it's the best way to learn.
40-50 minutes against a sincel AI ship is way to long. Get some pointers from a fleetmate.

   I am talking about the modded K-D7L that I made which there isn't one in SFC3 .I put 4 times photon fx on it and set the cloaking cost to 5 instead of 20.

Not to be really rude-but no one really cares about how your personal "modded" ship works. I think everyone's modded some ships to screw around with against the AI, but it doesn't help you at all to use a ship that won't be on any D2 or GSA server.

I would encourage you to check your energy panel for the actual energy your ship is put ting out.The actual speed of BCE is 38.8 play with it  in a skirmish to check it out.

Thanks for the encouragement.Problem is,you're wrong. Your BCE uses 38.8 (or7 maybe) points of its 51 power points to move speed 31. I assume you're not old enough to drive, but would you pay attention to the speedometer or tachometer to figure how fast you're going?

Thanks Mog for your support and one thing I use a tactic the Mog suggested to me.That is how I can beat it and someone else told me another tactic.I am confident that Mog himself can beat CCZ but I won't speak for him.

Mog couldn't beat a dead horse let alone a CCZ....

[likkerpig]

OK who are you really? No one can possibly be this stupid...

EDIT-Wait- Pig, you're really Likkerpig aren't you? You're just doing this to annoy me..

Pffft. Like I'd have anything to say about BCH's. Only time I fly those tubs is when I'm real drunk.
Back in the basement with ya Hexx. The gimp suit has been cleaned and Kroma's feeling randy!
Hoooo eeeee! Sunday night and time for a Hexx party! Break out the malt likker, I'll get the banjo tuned up!

[Age]

Well normally I'd be bored of this ...ignorance by now..but I'm bored soooo.

I am not talking about SFC3 I am talking about SFC2OP the actual speed is referred to in the energy panel.I would look there for a more accurate reading of the speed in ships in OP.Take a frig for eg. it may show that is going say 15 on speed bar at the bottom but it is actually going say 10 or maybe less.

Uhmm no,  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not out of grade 4 yet, Here's a hint
ENERGY PANEL
-the number you're referring to is the amount of ENERGY it takes to move your ship .
If your ENERGY PANEL says 10 by moving, and your speed bar says you're going 15. You have approximately a .66 move cost. That's why the drones that move 32 fly faster than you do
32 is faster than 31 (the most you can do)

If I am ready for a 40 to 50 minute battle with CCZ I am not afraid of a PVP in on the Dyna or GSA and if I lose I know it was because I made a mistake or I was just to tired for it.When I  play against the AI  against that ship it usually last between 40 to 50 minutes long

-Never be afraid of PvP anywhere, it's the best way to learn.
40-50 minutes against a sincel AI ship is way to long. Get some pointers from a fleetmate.

   I am talking about the modded K-D7L that I made which there isn't one in SFC3 .I put 4 times photon fx on it and set the cloaking cost to 5 instead of 20.

Not to be really rude-but no one really cares about how your personal "modded" ship works. I think everyone's modded some ships to screw around with against the AI, but it doesn't help you at all to use a ship that won't be on any D2 or GSA server.

I would encourage you to check your energy panel for the actual energy your ship is put ting out.The actual speed of BCE is 38.8 play with it  in a skirmish to check it out.

Thanks for the encouragement.Problem is,you're wrong. Your BCE uses 38.8 (or7 maybe) points of its 51 power points to move speed 31. I assume you're not old enough to drive, but would you pay attention to the speedometer or tachometer to figure how fast you're going?

Thanks Mog for your support and one thing I use a tactic the Mog suggested to me.That is how I can beat it and someone else told me another tactic.I am confident that Mog himself can beat CCZ but I won't speak for him.

Mog couldn't beat a dead horse let alone a CCZ....

Yes Hexx I am old enough to drive and I do know a great deal about cars more than I do about computers.I always like NHRA Drag racing.I remember Armstrong walking on the moon in Black and White tv back then.I remember the watergate hearings as well but this is as far as I am taking this.Thanks for telling me about PVP I don't use BCHs I like CAs down.Thanks.

[alfman]

Who voted for the Gorn BCH. I am just curious.  I  mainly fly Gorn and I am not as impressed with the G-BCH as I am with the I-CCZ or the R-KHK.  It is easier to learn how to fly the R-KHK so I voted for it although a good pilot in the I-CCZ is hard to beat.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

I bet it was G'Warlock Alfman.....

[762_XC]

Who voted for the Gorn BCH. I am just curious.  I  mainly fly Gorn and I am not as impressed with the G-BCH as I am with the I-CCZ or the R-KHK.  It is easier to learn how to fly the R-KHK so I voted for it although a good pilot in the I-CCZ is hard to beat.

Whoever it is needs a good arse-kicking! 

[Kroma BaSyl]

Who voted for the Gorn BCH. I am just curious.  I  mainly fly Gorn and I am not as impressed with the G-BCH as I am with the I-CCZ or the R-KHK.  It is easier to learn how to fly the R-KHK so I voted for it although a good pilot in the I-CCZ is hard to beat.

Remember the question was "which would you fly", not "which is the best".

[Hexx]

Who voted for the Gorn BCH. I am just curious.  I  mainly fly Gorn and I am not as impressed with the G-BCH as I am with the I-CCZ or the R-KHK.  It is easier to learn how to fly the R-KHK so I voted for it although a good pilot in the I-CCZ is hard to beat.

Remember the question was "which would you fly", not "which is the best".

There's a difference?

[Sten]

You know Hexx I am impressed with your replies to AGE.

You are certainly not some short smacktard assclown are you?

All Hail Hexx!

[Kroma BaSyl]

You know Hexx I am impressed with your replies to AGE.

You are certainly not some short smacktard assclown are you?

All Hail Hexx!

Yikes! Looks like Sten got his ass handed to him by a n00b in a BCE. LOL.

[Hexx]

You know Hexx I am impressed with your replies to AGE.

You are certainly not some short smacktard assclown are you?

All Hail Hexx!

Yikes! Looks like Sten got his ass handed to him by a n00b in a BCE. LOL.

Be nice to Sten.... I'm sure it was a close game...

[Hexx]

WAIT!!!
What if it's STEN who's is really Age??
Sten's advanced years along with his senility would explain so much...

I bet he forgot his log on password one day... had to create a new username.. could only think of how old he was.. then started rambling.. yes it all makes sense now

[Sten]

You know Hexx I am impressed with your replies to AGE.

You are certainly not some short smacktard assclown are you?

All Hail Hexx!

Yikes! Looks like Sten got his ass handed to him by a n00b in a BCE. LOL.

Can't recall ever fighting a BCE.

Took one out for a spin once decided the BCHP was more my cup of tea.

[Kroma BaSyl]

You know Hexx I am impressed with your replies to AGE.

You are certainly not some short smacktard assclown are you?

All Hail Hexx!

Yikes! Looks like Sten got his ass handed to him by a n00b in a BCE. LOL.

Can't recall ever fighting a BCE.

Me neither, but that is the difference you have with actually playing online vs just imagining you are.

[Sten]

I do believe its time to head back to a universe far far away.

Can't even bring myself to fire up the game anymore much less interact on these boards anymore.

Bye Hexx.

[Laflin]

Be careful about picking on Canadians. We won the war of 1812. Oh yeah, that was while we still had an army. Er, never mind. 

Don't knock it- you notice the States hasn't picked  a war with us since that one...

We invented TV and found something else to take up our spare time  .  Are you sure that this isn't Sten in sheep's clothing? 

[Hexx]

I do believe its time to head back to a universe far far away.

Can't even bring myself to fire up the game anymore much less interact on these boards anymore.

Bye Hexx.

.....

Was it ME that drove you away from this game Sten?
If it was let me know, if it will get you back into the game (even cameos)
 I'll never post in the forums again - I hadn't thought anyone took my posts seriously but from this and the Age comment I'm getting the feeling that you do.
Anyway if I've offended you- my apologies and as I said
-Come back and you'll never see me here again.

[Laflin]

Hexx, unfortunately it will take far more than you to get Sten back - I don't believe that his problems were with you .

[Hexx]

Hexx, unfortunately it will take far more than you to get Sten back - I don't believe that his problems were with you .

Thanks Laflin
Yes Sten was kind enough to email me and let me know that he did not include me in his reasons for leaving.

After I came to my senses I realized the same thing, as if anyone could ever get tired of basking in my light.. of my wit, my witticism, my cunning insights into both human nature and the D2.. of my dominance over the KBF.. of my gret works in progress...

[Kroma BaSyl]

Hexx, unfortunately it will take far more than you to get Sten back - I don't believe that his problems were with you .

Thanks Laflin
Yes Sten was kind enough to email me and let me know that he did not include me in his reasons for leaving.

After I came to my senses I realized the same thing, as if anyone could ever get tired of basking in my light.. of my wit, my witticism, my cunning insights into both human nature and the D2.. of my dominance over the KBF.. of my gret works in progress...

Well....I still hate you.   

[Hexx]

Hexx, unfortunately it will take far more than you to get Sten back - I don't believe that his problems were with you .

Thanks Laflin
Yes Sten was kind enough to email me and let me know that he did not include me in his reasons for leaving.

After I came to my senses I realized the same thing, as if anyone could ever get tired of basking in my light.. of my wit, my witticism, my cunning insights into both human nature and the D2.. of my dominance over the KBF.. of my gret works in progress...

Well....I still hate you.   

Kroma... I told you
I only rejected you because you disgust me...

It wasn't personal..

 

EDIT Forgot to mention I'm sorry that I'm  prettier than you are too..

[Green]

Hexx, unfortunately it will take far more than you to get Sten back - I don't believe that his problems were with you .

Oh man, you're ruining it Laflin.  We actually had Hexx about to stop posting!

Huh?  Oh, I'm on open comms again ... ooops ... I mean "All hail the Glorious Leader Hexx.  Ruler of all that is good.  Keeper of the faith.  Protector of frail women, small children, and fluffy bunnies"

[Hexx]

Hexx, unfortunately it will take far more than you to get Sten back - I don't believe that his problems were with you .

Oh man, you're ruining it Laflin.  We actually had Hexx about to stop posting!

Huh?  Oh, I'm on open comms again ... ooops ... I mean "All hail the Glorious Leader Hexx.  Ruler of all that is good.  Keeper of the faith.  Protector of frail women, small children, and fluffy bunnies"

So I happen to like fluffy bunnies... you have a problem with that?

[Sten]

Hexx, unfortunately it will take far more than you to get Sten back - I don't believe that his problems were with you .

Oh man, you're ruining it Laflin.  We actually had Hexx about to stop posting!

Huh?  Oh, I'm on open comms again ... ooops ... I mean "All hail the Glorious Leader Hexx.  Ruler of all that is good.  Keeper of the faith.  Protector of frail women, small children, and fluffy bunnies"

So I happen to like fluffy bunnies... you have a problem with that?

I'm with Hexx I like fluffy bunnies also.

Roasted, Baked, Stewed,...

[benbean]

Be careful about picking on Canadians. We won the war of 1812. Oh yeah, that was while we still had an army. Er, never mind. 

Don't knock it- you notice the States hasn't picked  a war with us since that one...

We invented TV and found something else to take up our spare time  .  Are you sure that this isn't Sten in sheep's clothing? 

erm, wasn't it John Logie Baird that invented TV, IIRC a Scotsman 

[Laflin]

Be careful about picking on Canadians. We won the war of 1812. Oh yeah, that was while we still had an army. Er, never mind. 

Don't knock it- you notice the States hasn't picked  a war with us since that one...

We invented TV and found something else to take up our spare time  .  Are you sure that this isn't Sten in sheep's clothing? 

erm, wasn't it John Logie Baird that invented TV, IIRC a Scotsman 

<Shhh - I'm being The Ugly American> 

[Green]

erm, wasn't it John Logie Baird that invented TV, IIRC a Scotsman 

There are at least 5 claims of inventing the TV.  Vladimir Zworykin, Karl Braun, Charles Jenkins, Paul Nipkow, and Philo Farnsworth.  There may be more.  Take your pick.

Edit:  Wow, now there is a hijacking

[Vaul]

*Bursts in waving a phaser*

Nobody move! This is a hijack of a hijack of a thre...oh never mind. My vote goes to the F-BCF. Never run into a CCZ with it though.

[el-Karnak]

I-CCZ is best of BCH class, IMHO.  There's not much that it cannot do which is how SFB originally designed it to be:  an all General War race pacifier.

In PvP, if you got a droner then it's 6xPh3, 8xPH1, and 5xTractors will take care of the 12 drone wave or any SP encountered on an over-run. As a bonus the 2xPPDs will knock up the circling droner with good long-range accuracy up to range 15.  If you got a PF cruiser that charges then you can crank it up to speed 31 and let the Plasma Is wipe out the 2 PFs. Then you are fighting an lessor matched BCH.  Same goes for enemy CVs. Once the fighters are gone, then the CV runs.  If you are fighting a K-C7 and they T-bomb shower you then you can T-Bomb shower right back with 5 x Transporters.  Another good feature is that you can under-load the Plasma Ss to Plasma Fs and phaser-boat the enemy.

Against AI, its 2xPlasma S (enveloping), 8xPh1 and 5 trans. marine capturing beam-in alpha-strike will take down a F-DD class ship in one shot.  K-F5 variants will be blown away half the time.

I-CCZ really only has trouble when the enemy charges and survives with enough weapons to deliver a serious alpha-strike or when the Frog pilot gets sloppy against droners and mis-times the I-CCZs phaser recharge rate.

As  for further impressive, all-omnipotent proof that I-CCZ is good ship: I only lost in a CCZ in PvP against BCH or lower ships on the dyna once:  WS in a K-D5D when I was still learning anti-drone tactics.  The other time, I hit a rock. Also, a Planet. Another rock when chatting too much. Oh, and once when I got distracted by wanker and I let a couple Droners tractor me.

So, as long as you fly I-CCZ in clear space lanes, J'inn and I should be OK. *snicker*

F-BCF with 104 hp Photon, Plasma F alpha-strike at range 2 to 4 or maybe 5 (if lucky with O/L Photon die rolls) is plenty tough too.  Both F-BCF and I-CCZ have similar in-your-face fighting capabilities to complement intermediate ranged saber dancing with 4x(proxy photons) to replace the 2xPPDs.  F-BCF also has the Plasma Fs to sick on fighters to go with the AMD, plus has lotsa SPs. Similar turn modes and lotsa phasers.

K-C7 is a great BCH too but lacks the in-your-face punches that a charged up F-BCH or I-CCZ can deliver. Then only thing wrong with it is the model.  It should have something more beefed-up and cooler looking than the standard D7 look-alikes.  The K-D7W model looks better than the K-C7 one.

[Age]

Kroma can take one out anytime can't you Kroma?Then agian you don't know what F-CAD+ can do to it  7 drones coming at you nice mean type 4s 

[FPF-DieHard]

Kroma can take one out anytime can't you Kroma?Then agian you don't know what F-CAD+ can do to it  7 drones coming at you nice mean type 4s 

Please Age, seriously, stop embarrasing yourslef by posting this stuff until after you have actually flown against a human.

[Age]

Kroma can take one out anytime can't you Kroma?Then agian you don't know what F-CAD+ can do to it  7 drones coming at you nice mean type 4s 

Please Age, seriously, stop embarrasing yourslef by posting this stuff until after you have actually flown against a human.

Ok Die Hard.Thanks

[Corbomite]

An I-CCZ has four Tractors and four Transporters, not five... and it is not invincible.

[Kroma BaSyl]

An I-CCZ has four Tractors and four Transporters, not five... and it is not invincible.

Sorry Corb, but if Karnak hasn't lost in one then that is all the proof anyone needs to know that the CCZ is OTT. <snicker>

Kroma,

PS, Age you crack me up.

[FPF-DieHard]

An I-CCZ has four Tractors and four Transporters, not five... and it is not invincible.

Funny one Kroma 

In all seriousness, the I-CCZ is not OTT, it is just the best BCH without attached attrition units.

Somebody had to get it, there has to be a best any worse of everything.

[Kroma BaSyl]

In all seriousness, the I-CCZ is not OTT, it is just the best BCH without attached attrition units.

I was just teasing.

Somebody had to get it, there has to be a best any worse of everything.

However, while there has to be a best and worst, they didn't have to be to such a degree, which is the problem with the CCZ and KHK, just as it apparently was with the G-BCS, which isn't even as good as a CCZ.

[el-Karnak]

An I-CCZ has four Tractors and four Transporters, not five... and it is not invincible.

Oops!!   I really have been away from ISC ships too long. 

However, while there has to be a best and worst, they didn't have to be to such a degree, which is the problem with the CCZ and KHK, just as it apparently was with the G-BCS, which isn't even as good as a CCZ.

G-BCS is better than I-CCZ in that you don't have to work as hard to get the win. If you play the human missile and tractor the enemy, then launch the 4 PFs, then the game is over.  It takes a lot more work and skill for an I-CCZ pilot to tease out the 4 PFs out of the charging Gorn G-BCS or L-BCHT so that they can be destroyed.  Take the PFs away from the G-BCS and L-BCHT, and then you got a game. 

It's the same old argument against attrition unit carrying ships whether it be  swarms of fighters or hordes of PFs.  The attrition unit carrying ship has a big initial advantage against the line BCH.  The line BCH has to get rid of the attrition annoyances or die.  Since it's a lot harder to do that, the line BCH guy just wants their own attrition annoyances to gleefully annoy the enemy back and to make it fair in both the material and psychological dept. on the field of battle.  Gimme a 44 power, or better yet the L-BCHT's 46 power curve, I-BCV so I can play human missile too and launch lotsa  Cav IIIs at range 2.5.  Yum!! Yum!!

I am far from being the resident expert on shiplist matters. Just get the basics down to make sure the mission scripts don't go OTT.  Corbo. is much better ISC person to talk with about all this stuff.  But, if having less attrition units in the game mean less annoyances then I respectfully submit that "less is more" when formulating the most enjoyable dyna campaign shiplist and CnC rules.

[FPF-DieHard]

I am far from being the resident expert on shiplist matters. Just get the basics down to make sure the mission scripts don't go OTT.  Corbo. is much better ISC person to talk with about all this stuff.  But, if having less attrition units in the game mean less annoyances then I respectfully submit that "less is more" when formulating the most enjoyable dyna campaign shiplist and CnC rules.

Amen!   

[drb]

Hoi Folks,

 Please, allow me to bring on the thread hi-jacking you all have been waiting for. I could not let it pass without saying something. I really thought it was common knowledge, but of late I have run into a few people, yes they were Canadian, who were not aware of it.

Quote from: TobinDax on July 18, 2004, 06:35:45 pm
Be careful about picking on Canadians. We won the war of 1812. Oh yeah, that was while we still had an army. Er, never mind. 

*Hexx said,*
Don't knock it- you notice the States hasn't picked  a war with us since that one...

 I must point out the 1963 Defense Crisis, the event that lost Canada's new found sovereignty. Remember the American General who with the help of the official opposition in government set Canada's defense policy? Remember how much the Canadian public did not want nuclear weapons on Canadian Soil? Remember the arrival of Nike and Bomarc missles? Really, the invasion of one was enough.
 Does anyone remember the events of Feb. 21 1959 in Canada?
 Before anyone goes shooting off that this is a Hot and Spicy topic, it is not. Nor do I wish that the AVRO Arrow was put into production, I simply do not think that Canada's international role is to create weapons. This whole sad story, of a new "little" nation's short existance, is well presented in a little book called "Lament for a Nation" by George Grant.

I'm sorry Hexx, your assertion in this case is incorrect. Otherwise, I wish I was in Halifax, you lucky, got to go back home bast***.

Keep Makin' Noise Hexx,

Take Care

[Green]

Actually, I don't know what you're talking about.  Thus I will try to find "Lament for a Nation" and read it.  Please keep in mind a vast majority of us [cough]except fluf[/cough] weren't around in 1959.

Looks like a good H&S topic.  Maybe a post there would be good.  Besides, we need to keep the D2experience forums focused on the fact that the C7 is the best damn BCH in the game.

[drb]

Hoi Green,

 Quite right, I would choose the C-7. Most fun. Besides all BCH's are best, it is how you fly it that determines the winner.

 Take care,

drb

[Khalee]

Well Voteing may have closed but The best is Gorn, is there really any other choice.

[KBF-WillWeasel]

Hexx, unfortunately it will take far more than you to get Sten back - I don't believe that his problems were with you .

Thanks Laflin
Yes Sten was kind enough to email me and let me know that he did not include me in his reasons for leaving.

After I came to my senses I realized the same thing, as if anyone could ever get tired of basking in my light.. of my wit, my witticism, my cunning insights into both human nature and the D2.. of my dominance over the KBF.. of my gret works in progress...

Well....I still hate you.   

Thought I'd put my vote in too.

yes I hate Hexx as wel

Huh, I was supposed to vote for best BCH?   Never mind then