Topic: so i have this Ubership...something goes awry. (Read 2946 times)

FoaS_XC · « **on:** July 13, 2004, 12:26:33 pm »

Okay so, I added the Scimitar to SFC:OP, using SFB stats, according to this, at least:

(note, each beveled box is worth 10, instead of 1).

So i gave it a total shielding of 7200
I Foward Hull of 740
Center Hull of 280
Aft hull of 480
Cargo of 280
Excess Damage of 330

And yet, when i get shot once, no matter the weapon. It says im taking hull damage, and it shows damage textures on my ship - yet my ship takes no actual damage.....whats going on?

J. Carney · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2004, 02:04:44 pm »

Simple- you blew the program's mind with all those 0's!

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2004, 05:10:55 pm »

really now....
is there any way to fix it?

Rat Boy · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2004, 05:20:56 pm »

Where in the heck did you get that? And what's a non-temporal defense...correction, what would a temporal defense be?

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2004, 05:28:05 pm »

http://www.smileylich.com/sfb/index2003.html

Take a look at the Krenim stuff

Desty Nova · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2004, 05:29:27 pm »

Andromedan Temporal Elevator?

? ? ? ??? ? ? ?

Rat Boy · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2004, 05:45:11 pm »

So if the Krenim temporal ship blows you up by erasing you from time, does that mean that the battle technically didn't take place?

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2004, 06:06:02 pm »

http://www.smileylich.com/sfb/rules/tng05.txt

see the Timewarp Entry

If a ship is "Destroyed" by the Temporal Incursion Beam, it rolls on the Temporal Paradox Breakdown table.

Rat Boy · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2004, 06:11:43 pm »

Quote

Everything it ever did is undone, and history may change dramatically based on the unit never existing.

So the battle wouldn't have occurred since everything it has done is undone.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2004, 06:12:32 pm »

I suppose so...

Rat Boy · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2004, 06:16:12 pm »

Guess we won't be seeing that in SFC any time soon then.

QobnuH · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2004, 06:38:02 pm »

;)Reduce excess damage to 127 or less ..armor also. Anything above that seems to produce strange results.

Core · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2004, 07:55:47 pm »

nothing strange about this i knew this for quite some time the engine wasn't designed to calculate so many digits not to mention zeros that you pot their id wait until the engine is modified and then place the exact specs on it BTW if you try to convert any TNG CANON ship to SFB stats the way they are you will get the same results

GPF-Lionel · « **Reply #13 on:** July 14, 2004, 12:00:45 am »

Some of the Weps in SFC OP do cause your ship feed back damage, PH A and PH B i believe. Happened on the RDSL campaign. Even though u dont take damage u still get it from firing.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #14 on:** July 14, 2004, 12:17:39 am »

I didnt fire a single thing when that happened....besides, i was at full health - full sheilds. The moment the enemy fired at me, it yelled at me for having internal damage - even though i hadnt receieved any...plus the damage textures were applied to my model.

Rogue · « **Reply #15 on:** July 14, 2004, 06:40:35 am »

One would have to think that you have set the numbers of certain aspects of those specifications higher than the game recognizes. You might be able to compensate by substitution. Such as maxing the shields out and rolling some of it over into armor. Perhaps it would be useful to start listing the maximum parameters of ship systems in this thread.

It is also pretty useful to squirrel away some SSD's, like you have done with the Scimitar, so one can find a home for some of these models that don't have a specification available in SFC. (Long sentence, No?) I've been doing so for some time because of this necessity. Like what to do with Terradyhne's Bertaa? Perhaps an interdiction carrier? Or a D8? Haven't made my mind up yet.

Bonk · « **Reply #16 on:** July 14, 2004, 04:01:49 pm »

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on July 13, 2004, 12:26:33 pm

Okay so, I added the Scimitar to SFC:OP, using SFB stats...

Um, I don't think so... lol... sorry, theres no way that's an SFB SSD... 46 (or more?) disruptors on one ship? AND Photons? I don't see plasma anywhere... it is a Rom isn't it? and what's a THA?

BPV = 127400 !?!?!?
Can fire while cloaked !?!?!?

R4.411 ? - no way... gotta check that...

Total power = 1111 ok that's it....

How many Doms would it take to bring that sucker down? 12? 24? 36? - there is no fleet in SFB that follows CnC that would be capable of engaging such a ship. Well maybe... but it would take days to resolve.. too many die rolls.. any SFB playtesting stats on that beastie?

I think if you base your ships on ADB SSDs you'll find they work fine in SFC (it is based on SFB...), you just need to account for double internals and a few other restrictions imposed by SFC.

Of course it won't work... it's totally ridiculous... I'm sorry, no offense intended, but thats the way I see it.
Too funny, hehe...

Rat Boy · « **Reply #17 on:** July 14, 2004, 05:04:30 pm »

You forget, Bonk, that the Scimitar post-dates all the SFB ships you know by over a century, so it wouldn't be surprising if it went to town on a fleet of D7s. Plus, the loadout is fairly close to what Worf said in the movie.

Captain Pierce · « **Reply #18 on:** July 14, 2004, 06:28:25 pm »

Bonk, I'm guessing you haven't seen "Star Trek: Nemesis?"

Desty Nova · « **Reply #19 on:** July 14, 2004, 07:02:48 pm »

Bah, a fleet of D7 would whoop up on that stupid thing. They'd just paste it from 80,000 km for hours or days or whatever until it went down. (On second thought, that cloak would be a problem...

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Rat Boy · « **Reply #20 on:** July 14, 2004, 07:10:02 pm »

Forget the disruptors while cloaked; that Thalaron gun could create a fleet of empty starships.

Bonk · « **Reply #21 on:** July 14, 2004, 07:42:35 pm »

Nope, haven't seen Nemesis, partly because of the pans it got on the Taldren boards and partly because a TNG movie just didn't seem right to me...

<rant> ...and also partly because I swore I would never go to a movie theater again after going to see the second Matrix movie in the theater - I listened to people eat and talk the whole time, couldn't hear a thing. I just couldn't believe all the eating, crunching and crinkling of wrappers... you'd think moviegoers had never eaten before.. I developed a theory that junk food bingers/bulemics(?) like to go to the theater and hide in the dark to crunch and crinkle away where no one can see them - it was that bad... really, I'll never go to a theater again to be subjected to that... I had a hard time containing my rage, I just sat there and stewed in it for two hours, I didn't just walk out as I was with a friend and I did want to see the movie... </rant>

Perhaps I'll rent Nemesis soon and have a look. I guess that would explain why this flying conglomeration of starbases they call a ship seems odd to me... I wonder how many crew there are on that "ship"?

Thalaron gun !?!??? WTF is that? I guess I have fallen behind in Trek lore. Egads! I'm turning into an old fart!

Rat Boy · « **Reply #22 on:** July 14, 2004, 08:03:56 pm »

Quote from: Bonk on July 14, 2004, 07:42:35 pm

Thalaron gun !?!??? WTF is that? I guess I have fallen behind in Trek lore. Egads! I'm turning into an old fart!

Just read the upper right hand corner of the SSD. "Ignores all non-temporal defenses" is just a fancy way of saying you can't stop that thing from killing everyone on your ship when it fires.

Desty Nova · « **Reply #23 on:** July 14, 2004, 08:07:11 pm »

Don't worry about it Bonk. Thalaron was just some goofy contrived superweapon/plot device they made up for the movie. Hopefully we'll never see it again. Why'd they even need that thing? The Scimitar could probably just waste the entire planet Earth itself.

Bonk · « **Reply #24 on:** July 14, 2004, 08:15:56 pm »

lol, I completely missed the right half of the "SSD", I thought it was cropped - didn't see the scroll bar, oops! Now I see it is from nemesis and the explanation of the "biocide beam"... also I note only 30 crew!

Rat Boy · « **Reply #25 on:** July 14, 2004, 08:41:11 pm »

Quote from: Desty Nova on July 14, 2004, 08:07:11 pm

The Scimitar could probably just waste the entire planet Earth itself.

That was the idea, Desty.

Quote from: Bonk

also I note only 30 crew!

Well, isn't that number rounded down or something? 1 crew unit on the SSD = X amount of people, or something? Besides, the Scimitar really wasn't that big. If I read the size comparisons right, it's the same size as the D'Deridex-class warbird.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #26 on:** July 14, 2004, 08:47:22 pm »

Those are MegaBoxes (something that the SSD created made up) each box = 10.

Ferretlxix_XC · « **Reply #27 on:** July 14, 2004, 08:55:32 pm »

holy crap!

Core · « **Reply #28 on:** July 14, 2004, 08:56:04 pm »

that and the fact that the new praetor didn't really trust a lot of pepole to be in control of a ship that power full thats way the ship probably was mostly automated nor a novelty seance Scott got his Little constitution ruining from the bridge if you remember that one

Desty Nova · « **Reply #29 on:** July 14, 2004, 09:00:58 pm »

Quote from: Bonk on July 14, 2004, 08:15:56 pm

also I note only 30 crew!

On an SSD, one crew unit equals approximately 10 beings. Each one of those boxes would be a crew unit normally, but since they're mega boxes, each one is 10 crew units! So 3000 officers and crew on that ship.

Core · « **Reply #30 on:** July 14, 2004, 09:03:17 pm »

i liked my theory beater but hell this will work to

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