Topic: OMG, someone's gotta do this ship... (Read 7600 times)

Swordsman · « **on:** July 12, 2004, 09:59:36 pm »

While Aduril's Phoenix Constitution is pretty schweet looking, here's someone else's view of an Enterprise-lineage Constitution.

J. Carney · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2004, 10:05:41 pm »

Quote from: Swordsman on July 12, 2004, 09:59:36 pm

While Aduril's Phoenix Constitution is pretty schweet looking, here's someone else's view of an Enterprise-lineage Constitution.

Oh, shiznit...

Man, you either don't have any idea what kind of ship design flame war that picture caused on the Taldren boards or have forgotten something very important.

That little flame war burned for weeks!

I love that ship (in the 100 poly range so all could enjoy it), and would love to see all the SFB/TOS style shipsdone like that- I think that is how it would have looked if Gene and Franz Joseph made the original Big E today.

But unfortunately, most people do not.

Swordsman · « **Reply #2 on:** July 12, 2004, 10:12:32 pm »

Wasn't there for that one. I just found this somewhere and someone had requested ships like this.

I learned somewhere that moddlers will make what they will and if people like it, they'll download it and if they don't, they don't have to.

Which kinda neutralizes this post, doesn't it?

J. Carney · « **Reply #3 on:** July 12, 2004, 10:16:00 pm »

Quote from: Swordsman on July 12, 2004, 10:12:32 pm

Wasn't there for that one. I just found this somewhere and someone had requested ships like this.

I learned somewhere that moddlers will make what they will and if people like it, they'll download it and if they don't, they don't have to.

Which kinda neutralizes this post, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't neutralize it at all... it just reminds them that there is areally kick@$$ Connie out there that needs to be done!

And as for the flame war, it got ugly for a little bit- but that was when we were all on one of our SFB vs. TV Trek kicks.

Maybe this lady's time has come; if so, I want an SFB NCL done on this patern with the NCC-1504 Alabama done to go with her!

Core · « **Reply #4 on:** July 12, 2004, 10:35:01 pm »

that it dose and it also insures that this ship will be done eventually

Arcanum · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:27:38 am »

She would be a beauty to see, but I personally hope to see her in Fed white rather than this "enterprise series" gun metal . . .

I wish I could remember the Star Trek novels better, there was one in which Kirk refers to the Enterprise as that beautiful white swan necked lady, and another where she is mentioned as being alabaster . . . as much as I like aztecing and how it adds to and enhances the ships visually, I wish it was more towards off whites than off to the greys. After all the Fedrats oops! been reading battletech again . . . are in white ships cause they are the "good guys" . .

I, Mudd · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:55:21 am »

Weeee!

... too much fun!

I, Mudd.

Dawntreader · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2004, 02:13:12 am »

I, Mudd
Keep up the good work. That looks awesome.

Could someone send me Anduril's Pheonix and maybe a few of his others.

J. Carney · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2004, 04:08:05 am »

Quote from: I, Mudd on July 13, 2004, 12:55:21 am

Weeee!

... too much fun!

I, Mudd.

I, Mudd-

You are going to look like the original "Orion BadA$$" pimpin' that thing around the galaxy!

Do you thinjk that you can honor my request of doing all the SFB ships in that style if you have the time?

And PLEASE[/i][/u] make the NCL the Alabama

Terradyhne · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2004, 04:34:05 am »

yach that shows how you could make a uggly iron yunk out of a pretty good old TOS ship with that pseudo pre TOS enterprise sh*t

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2004, 05:59:40 am »

Quote from: Terradyhne on July 13, 2004, 04:34:05 am

yach that shows how you could make a uggly iron yunk out of a pretty good old TOS ship with that pseudo pre TOS enterprise sh*t

You don't like it? simple, don't download it.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2004, 06:08:15 am »

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on July 13, 2004, 05:59:40 am

Quote from: Terradyhne on July 13, 2004, 04:34:05 am
yach that shows how you could make a uggly iron yunk out of a pretty good old TOS ship with that pseudo pre TOS enterprise sh*t

You don't like it? simple, don't download it.

Or D/L it use it as an alter universe ship and blast it to smithereens

Just a thought.

-MP

zerosnark · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2004, 06:48:21 am »

Good target for those freaky Klingon Gunships that are floating around. . . .

Core · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2004, 07:51:47 am »

id suggest when the texturing proses starts some one create new ones cos this baby really needs them

Swordsman · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2004, 10:34:55 am »

Wow, Mudd, how long have you been working on that before I made this post?

Shoot, I'm going to have to find a slot in my SFC2 specs for this one.

I, Mudd · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2004, 10:55:43 am »

I'd built this about 2 months ago ... I was just messing around. I offered it up to Mackie to texture, but he passed on it, so I forgot about it. I deleted it and had to see if Mackie still had it, to post here!

Allot of times models just sit on my HD until the mood strikes me to do anything with them. The Vudar ship had been hanging around for 6 months or so ...

You guys aren't gonna like what comes next ...

... I think I'm gonna have to rebuild her.

She's pretty poly heavy ... enough so you guy WILL complain. I tried optimizing the mesh, but she still weighs in around 7-8000 polys.

I can do better than that ...

Although, I'll take volunteers to texture her, one in Enterprise fashion, the other in good 'ol style TOS.

Any takers?

I, Mudd.

Desty Nova · « **Reply #16 on:** July 13, 2004, 02:20:25 pm »

If you don't wanna rebuild her, I could volunteer to optimize it for you. I kind of consider poly-chopping while not losing visible detail one of my specialties. Also, do you know how to get smoothing working properly in SFC2? Cause I could do that to. Just a thought.

I, Mudd · « **Reply #17 on:** July 13, 2004, 02:51:19 pm »

I got her rebuilt, down to 3239 polys ... but I really don't like the way I had to do it. (looks allot like a Taldren model pointy bridge module and all ... yeech!)

How do you want the original file Desty? What format?

I, Mudd.

S33K100 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2004, 02:55:41 pm »

I'm with Terradhynne on this one, the Enterprise era-aesthetic isn't bad in and of itself, but doing dodgy rip-offs of existing ships is what I have probs with, I remember reading the thread where that pic originated and most everyone agreed it was just Enterprise bits stuck to a recoloured TMP Enterprise Why can't people do original designs using the Enterprise style, like the Intrepid and that other one from Azati Prime (fans call it the Iceland) original at least in their form and not just a rehash of an existing ship.

Model's pretty good quality Mudd.

Desty Nova · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2004, 03:07:54 pm »

Quote from: I, Mudd on July 13, 2004, 02:51:19 pm

I got her rebuilt, down to 3239 polys ... but I really don't like the way I had to do it. (looks allot like a Taldren model pointy bridge module and all ... yeech!)

How do you want the original file Desty? What format?

I, Mudd.

.mod or .max are fine. Just e-mail it to me.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2004, 03:23:36 pm »

Quote from: Marauth on July 13, 2004, 02:55:41 pm

I'm with Terradhynne on this one, the Enterprise era-aesthetic isn't bad in and of itself, but doing dodgy rip-offs of existing ships is what I have probs with, I remember reading the thread where that pic originated and most everyone agreed it was just Enterprise bits stuck to a recoloured TMP Enterprise Why can't people do original designs using the Enterprise style, like the Intrepid and that other one from Azati Prime (fans call it the Iceland) original at least in their form and not just a rehash of an existing ship.

Model's pretty good quality Mudd.

To each his own...i just want it because i think it looks neat in itself.

I, Mudd · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2004, 03:28:47 pm »

Email away, Desty!

Thanks a zillion ...

I, Mudd.

MarianoDT · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2004, 04:57:06 pm »

Hi, I don't usually like TOS ships, but this is excellent. !!! (maybe because it is more like ent era)
If ppl don't like it, try changing the registry. I have the impresion that the die-hard TOS fan always flame if it isn't "canon" and maybe they will be a little more open minded if you don't use the sacred 1701 registry.

Mariano

I, Mudd · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2004, 05:36:01 pm »

Quote from: MarianoDT on July 13, 2004, 04:57:06 pm

Hi, I don't usually like TOS ships, but this is excellent. !!! (maybe because it is more like ent era)
If ppl don't like it, try changing the registry. I have the impresion that the die-hard TOS fan always flame if it isn't "canon" and maybe they will be a little more open minded if you don't use the sacred 1701 registry.

Mariano

I'm most definitely a TOS fan - always have been, always will be. I have looked at this with the Vulcan philosophy of IDIC .

With as few starships that were actually on screen during TOS, how would anyone know whether or not there were different design philosophies? (Back at Taldren, Atra had a thread of a similar theme ...) :-

I, Mudd.

Swordsman · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2004, 05:42:01 pm »

Quote from: Marauth on July 13, 2004, 02:55:41 pm

I'm with Terradhynne on this one, the Enterprise era-aesthetic isn't bad in and of itself, but doing dodgy rip-offs of existing ships is what I have probs with, I remember reading the thread where that pic originated and most everyone agreed it was just Enterprise bits stuck to a recoloured TMP Enterprise Why can't people do original designs using the Enterprise style, like the Intrepid and that other one from Azati Prime (fans call it the Iceland) original at least in their form and not just a rehash of an existing ship.

I like the original much better to tell you the truth, but there is nothing wrong with updating (backdating?) an already-seen starship to follow a developemental path. I (and I assure you many) have always wondered what the Constitution would look like with an NX-01 lineage. Now we know, and I think it looks pretty awesome.

Desty Nova · « **Reply #25 on:** July 13, 2004, 09:52:15 pm »

Yikes! This is quite a job, I,Mudd. You'll have to allow me a bit of time to work on this, there's a lot of polies that needs choppins!. Nice mesh, though.

S33K100 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 14, 2004, 08:02:30 am »

Quote from: Swordsman on July 13, 2004, 05:42:01 pm

I like the original much better to tell you the truth, but there is nothing wrong with updating (backdating?) an already-seen starship to follow a developemental path. I (and I assure you many) have always wondered what the Constitution would look like with an NX-01 lineage. Now we know, and I think it looks pretty awesome.

Well personally I think we knew when Anduril did the Phoenix, or whoever did the high-poly version of it before that. This isn't the TOS Enterprise re-imagined for the NX-01 era, it's the saucer and nacelles of the NX-01 strapped to the sec-hull of the Enterprise class which is recoloured and with an oldy-stylee deflector on the front. Re-imagining a design doesn't mean kitbashing other ships into it's shape, it means actually coming up with a unique design that looks like a cross between the two original design philosophies. Anduril's Phoenix is a good example of that, Bernd Schneider's Hercules class is a good example of things going the other way round - NX-01 design with Pre-TOS styling, pic for those who've not seen it:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/my_ships/hercules.jpg

The pic at the top of this thread is just another kitbash that can be made in five minutes in a paint package, No offense if you like it but I just wanted to point out that there are people who've done far better renditions of a cross-over of Ent-era with TOS.

jayvt3 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 14, 2004, 08:59:26 am »

:carmen:sez> Schweeeeet! I didn't like the style of the NX-01 when it first came out but like a good ol' case of fungal infection it grew on me and I got used to the smell.
I don't remember all the hoopla it caused in the Taldren forum, maybe it was because all the people who complained did not contribute anything worth a damn in the way of advice, helpful critiques or even a model that looked half way decent to the forum.
Hey Mudd you get that baby ready and I'll take her for a spin. The only thing I don't like is the name on the neck. Just alittle to cheesy for me.

So keep up the good work Mudd and don't worry about what others say and if somebody gives you any sh*t just gimme their addie. I gots me a brand new woood chipper.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #28 on:** July 14, 2004, 09:37:21 am »

Jayvt3, you trip me out.

And to I, Mudd: I think she's a fine looking ship, no matter what. I'll certainly be taking her out of dydock for a more than a three-hour tour.

battlestar001 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 14, 2004, 04:28:13 pm »

Shes a fantastic looking ship and it would be a pleasure to give her a drive. Just a reminder to those who think TOS rules. The Enterprise had more than one refit. This could be a orginal Connie class Under Captian April (Or whoever the first captian of the ship was) and then it gets painted white for Pike (For some strange resion) The Enterprise was rebuilt in TMP with new Warp Engines or y couldent it have happened b4 with the class?

$:-\$

Core · « **Reply #30 on:** July 14, 2004, 04:33:58 pm »

why o why some pepole don't respect the past

Desty Nova · « **Reply #31 on:** July 15, 2004, 12:40:06 am »

Quote from: battlestar001 on July 14, 2004, 04:28:13 pm

Just a reminder to those who think TOS rules. The Enterprise had more than one refit. This could be a orginal Connie class Under Captian April (Or whoever the first captian of the ship was) and then it gets painted white for Pike (For some strange resion) The Enterprise was rebuilt in TMP with new Warp Engines or y couldent it have happened b4 with the class? $:-\$

Dude, that's not a refit. It's a completely different size for starters. And refitting that to heavy cruiser specs would be tantamount to melting it down completely and starting over from scratch. Kinda defeats the point of a refit.

But then, that's how I feel about the Connie/Ent-A as well...

Dawntreader · « **Reply #32 on:** July 15, 2004, 12:51:14 am »

I think this design is awsome. The Connie style has always been awsome. I don't think of this NX-style as a Connie refit, but as a rival ship design. What does Starfleet do when it needs a new ship? Do they just build one or do they accept bids. This ship could also be a Pre-TOS Connie prototype.
I personally love the original series. "Balance of Terror" is my all time favorite episode.

J. Carney · « **Reply #33 on:** July 15, 2004, 04:14:09 am »

Quote from: Dawntreader on July 15, 2004, 12:51:14 am

I think this design is awsome. The Connie style has always been awsome. I don't think of this NX-style as a Connie refit, but as a rival ship design. What does Starfleet do when it needs a new ship? Do they just build one or do they accept bids. This ship could also be a Pre-TOS Connie prototype.
I personally love the original series. "Balance of Terror" is my all time favorite episode.

It gets my vote, too. It's the first episode where they portray an alen as more than a plotdevice.

I, Mudd · « **Reply #34 on:** July 15, 2004, 10:38:46 am »

Okay, here's the deal:

I've rebuilt the mesh to more playable stats, as Desty is having a hard enough time juggling his own projects. Personally, I'm not so attached to this project to do new textures for her. See below for pic/download:

If anyone wants to retexture her, have at it, but the underside of the saucer may need remapping, as I was just lazy. $:-\$

Enjoy ...

I, Mudd.

kingconstantine · « **Reply #35 on:** July 15, 2004, 10:55:59 am »

I take it you lifted the textures from the pic....good man. always works for me.

who came up and made that pic origionaly?

Kaenyne · « **Reply #36 on:** July 15, 2004, 10:59:11 am »

Swordsman is gonna be a happy camper.
Great job, I, Mudd! I'll be getting my copy tonight. Thanks for all your effort!

battlestar001 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 15, 2004, 12:49:54 pm »

She looks great. Wasent the Enterprise after she was refitted larger? hmmmmmmmm. Great work d/l now, lol

Starforce2 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 15, 2004, 04:11:11 pm »

can I get the hihg end version? Also, I just noticed that planet mudd seems to be missing the tos pytor class.

Mudd, if you see this I want a mod file format. Can't send a reply to hotmail without everything crashing.

Swordsman · « **Reply #39 on:** July 16, 2004, 09:08:37 am »

Quote from: Kaenyne on July 15, 2004, 10:59:11 am

Swordsman is gonna be a happy camper.
Great job, I, Mudd! I'll be getting my copy tonight. Thanks for all your effort!

Indeed I am, especially because I'm looking at her in Modelviewer right now and she's top notch. Thanks for the excellent addition, Mudd.

Centurus · « **Reply #40 on:** July 25, 2004, 09:40:50 am »

Is this ship for SFC3? If it isn't, could someone convert it please? Have pity on me. I got no modding skills or programs to do the work.

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